Porsche: 988 news
08-05-2011, 08:49 PM
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Porsche: 988 news
http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...ive/index.html
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Deep Dive: Porsche plans Ferrari fighter
August 01, 2011
By Georg Kacher
Illustrator: Autobild/Larson
New chairman Matthias Muller has ambitious plans to grow Porsche's volume, and thankfully the additional models are not all SUVs. One exciting project is a brand-new mid-engine sports car destined to challenge the pace-setting Ferrari 458 Italia.
Finding Mimo
If we read correctly the smoke signals that rise from the Weissach think tank, the new project, which is codenamed 960, has nothing much to do with the high-tech 918 Spyder. Instead, Porsche is moving heaven and earth to make 960 the lead car for the new platform. Although it still has not been signed off, due to political issues and a lack of a firm commitment on part of the other brands involved, the new platform, called Mimo, is known in-house as MSB-M, short for modular sports car matrix, mid-engine version. Earmarked to go into production in just over four years, the Porsche 960 (for lack of a better designation) would still share components with the next 911 due in 2018. How is that? Because MSB-M incorporates a second bloodline labeled MSB-H with the H standing for Heckmotor, German for rear-engine.
Spanning a wide range
At this point, little is known about how and to what extent the new architecture differs from the short-lived MSS modular sports car system reserved for the next Lamborghini Gallardo (due in 2013) and the new Audi R8 (coming in 2015). It certainly needs to be more flexible, to make provisions for rear- and mid-mounted engine installations, and it probably needs to encompass three different size and cost patterns to span the full line-up from the upcoming VW Blue Sport over to the next-generation 911, the Gallardo, the Murcielago, and the Porsche 960. To further complicate matters, MSB must be able to accommodate both rear-wheel drive and all-wheel drive, be compatible with various body styles and materials, and be able to house in-line engines, flat fours and sixes, as well as the complete V-6/V-8/V-10/V-12 spectrum.
Fighting Ferrari with a flat six
An earlier proposed Ferrari fighter from Zuffenhausen was a closer kin to the 918 Spyder, with a carbon fiber structure, and was to be powered by a twin-turbo V-8. But Porsche decision-makers were not happy with this high-end pitch, so now, with the 960, we’re looking at a more mundane materials mix and a twin-turbo 3.8-liter boxer six, which should be good for 600 hp and 555 pound-feet of torque. Why go for a six when your target car is fitted with a V-8? Because the flat six is more compact, helps to lower the center of gravity, is more efficient as well as slightly cheaper to build, and it offers that unique Porsche touch. Likely offered in both coupe and roadster guise, the 960 will be priced on the high side of 200,000 Euro when it debuts in September 2015.
I own Porsche and it will never be Ferrari
FEATURES:
Deep Dive: Porsche plans Ferrari fighter
August 01, 2011
By Georg Kacher
Illustrator: Autobild/Larson
New chairman Matthias Muller has ambitious plans to grow Porsche's volume, and thankfully the additional models are not all SUVs. One exciting project is a brand-new mid-engine sports car destined to challenge the pace-setting Ferrari 458 Italia.
Finding Mimo
If we read correctly the smoke signals that rise from the Weissach think tank, the new project, which is codenamed 960, has nothing much to do with the high-tech 918 Spyder. Instead, Porsche is moving heaven and earth to make 960 the lead car for the new platform. Although it still has not been signed off, due to political issues and a lack of a firm commitment on part of the other brands involved, the new platform, called Mimo, is known in-house as MSB-M, short for modular sports car matrix, mid-engine version. Earmarked to go into production in just over four years, the Porsche 960 (for lack of a better designation) would still share components with the next 911 due in 2018. How is that? Because MSB-M incorporates a second bloodline labeled MSB-H with the H standing for Heckmotor, German for rear-engine.
Spanning a wide range
At this point, little is known about how and to what extent the new architecture differs from the short-lived MSS modular sports car system reserved for the next Lamborghini Gallardo (due in 2013) and the new Audi R8 (coming in 2015). It certainly needs to be more flexible, to make provisions for rear- and mid-mounted engine installations, and it probably needs to encompass three different size and cost patterns to span the full line-up from the upcoming VW Blue Sport over to the next-generation 911, the Gallardo, the Murcielago, and the Porsche 960. To further complicate matters, MSB must be able to accommodate both rear-wheel drive and all-wheel drive, be compatible with various body styles and materials, and be able to house in-line engines, flat fours and sixes, as well as the complete V-6/V-8/V-10/V-12 spectrum.
Fighting Ferrari with a flat six
An earlier proposed Ferrari fighter from Zuffenhausen was a closer kin to the 918 Spyder, with a carbon fiber structure, and was to be powered by a twin-turbo V-8. But Porsche decision-makers were not happy with this high-end pitch, so now, with the 960, we’re looking at a more mundane materials mix and a twin-turbo 3.8-liter boxer six, which should be good for 600 hp and 555 pound-feet of torque. Why go for a six when your target car is fitted with a V-8? Because the flat six is more compact, helps to lower the center of gravity, is more efficient as well as slightly cheaper to build, and it offers that unique Porsche touch. Likely offered in both coupe and roadster guise, the 960 will be priced on the high side of 200,000 Euro when it debuts in September 2015.
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Kind of looks like a cooler/futuristic Cayman.
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the front looks like ferrari 612 scaglietti...
04-08-2014, 09:37 PM
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Recent render by Car and Driver...
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From here: http://www.caranddriver.com/features...17-future-cars
WHAT IT IS: A mid-engined supercar positioned between the 911 Turbo megacar and the 918 hybrid hypercar. The 960 conceptually and stylistically resembles a slightly bigger and far more powerful Cayman, but with an extra zero added to the price.
WHY IT MATTERS: Porsche is weak in the world of supercars. The 911 Turbo and GT3, while extremely capable, are limited by their theoretically inferior rear-engine design (hey, don't shoot the messenger). And the 918, which fixes that problem, may put off purists—at least, those not scared off by an expected price tag close to $850,000—with its Mr. Fusion hybrid powertrain.
PLATFORM: The aluminum-and-composite-intensive 960 will be based on Porsche's new, modular sport architecture (Modularer Sportbaukasten), which can be tailored for mid- or rear-engine applications.
POWERTRAIN: The hamster running in the wheel will most likely be a horizontally opposed eight-cylinder engine, although an aggressively boosted flat-six is not out of the question. Power will be well north of 600 horses, and all-wheel drive should be standard.
COMPETITION: Mid-engined supercars such as the Audi R8, Ferrari 458 Italia, Lamborghini Gallardo, and McLaren 12C.
WHAT MIGHT GO WRONG: A Porsche is tagged, perhaps unfairly, as a lawyer's car—very sporty but also somewhat sensible everyday wheels. Can the brand still breathe the thin air where exotics live? This car could be an expensive way to learn that it can't, and it also may diminish the 918's appeal.
ESTIMATED ARRIVAL AND PRICE: Should show by 2017, at a price well above $200,000.
WHY IT MATTERS: Porsche is weak in the world of supercars. The 911 Turbo and GT3, while extremely capable, are limited by their theoretically inferior rear-engine design (hey, don't shoot the messenger). And the 918, which fixes that problem, may put off purists—at least, those not scared off by an expected price tag close to $850,000—with its Mr. Fusion hybrid powertrain.
PLATFORM: The aluminum-and-composite-intensive 960 will be based on Porsche's new, modular sport architecture (Modularer Sportbaukasten), which can be tailored for mid- or rear-engine applications.
POWERTRAIN: The hamster running in the wheel will most likely be a horizontally opposed eight-cylinder engine, although an aggressively boosted flat-six is not out of the question. Power will be well north of 600 horses, and all-wheel drive should be standard.
COMPETITION: Mid-engined supercars such as the Audi R8, Ferrari 458 Italia, Lamborghini Gallardo, and McLaren 12C.
WHAT MIGHT GO WRONG: A Porsche is tagged, perhaps unfairly, as a lawyer's car—very sporty but also somewhat sensible everyday wheels. Can the brand still breathe the thin air where exotics live? This car could be an expensive way to learn that it can't, and it also may diminish the 918's appeal.
ESTIMATED ARRIVAL AND PRICE: Should show by 2017, at a price well above $200,000.
04-09-2014, 12:39 AM
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04-09-2014, 04:46 AM
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07-07-2014, 02:33 PM
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New Details On Porsche’s Mid-Engine Ferrari 458 Fighter
From here: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...rari-458-rival
We first heard that Porsche was considering a new mid-engine supercar to take on the likes of the Ferrari 458 Italia back in 2011. No, we’re not talking about the limited edition 918 Spyder plug-in hybrid that recently went on sale, but a more accessible supercar sitting just above the top-end 911 models and serving as a spiritual successor to the legendary 959 of the 1980s. Many are already calling the car the 960, but Porsche is yet to confirm the model for production so right now all we have is the car’s working title: 988.
According to Autocar, the 988 will ride on a new modular platform that Porsche will eventually use for all of its sports cars ranging from the next-generation Boxster right up to the 988. The platform will be capable of mid- and rear-mounted engines, meaning the next 911 will also ride on the flexible architecture. Rear-wheel drive will be standard, but the new modular platform will also be capable of all-wheel drive—both conventional mechanical and ‘through-the-road’ hybrid as seen in the 918 Spyder.
In the 988, a horizontally-opposed, eight-cylinder engine will be featured. Porsche has reportedly reached the limits of its six-cylinder engines, so in order to keep up with rivals such as the aforementioned 458 plus newcomers like the McLaren 650S Porsche will need a bigger engine. A 4.0-liter displacement is expected, initially, with output likely to lie close to 600 horsepower. Turbocharging will almost certainly be employed, with Autocar suggesting that a quad-turbocharging system is being tested.
When might we see the new 988? The reported launch date is 2017. Soon after, we’ll reportedly see the next generation of the Boxster and Cayman launched, and then the next 911. Note, the 988 isn’t the only new sports car line Porsche is expected to introduce. In 2016, the automaker is expected to launch a new lightweight sports car based on the bones of the current Boxster and labeled a 718.
According to Autocar, the 988 will ride on a new modular platform that Porsche will eventually use for all of its sports cars ranging from the next-generation Boxster right up to the 988. The platform will be capable of mid- and rear-mounted engines, meaning the next 911 will also ride on the flexible architecture. Rear-wheel drive will be standard, but the new modular platform will also be capable of all-wheel drive—both conventional mechanical and ‘through-the-road’ hybrid as seen in the 918 Spyder.
In the 988, a horizontally-opposed, eight-cylinder engine will be featured. Porsche has reportedly reached the limits of its six-cylinder engines, so in order to keep up with rivals such as the aforementioned 458 plus newcomers like the McLaren 650S Porsche will need a bigger engine. A 4.0-liter displacement is expected, initially, with output likely to lie close to 600 horsepower. Turbocharging will almost certainly be employed, with Autocar suggesting that a quad-turbocharging system is being tested.
When might we see the new 988? The reported launch date is 2017. Soon after, we’ll reportedly see the next generation of the Boxster and Cayman launched, and then the next 911. Note, the 988 isn’t the only new sports car line Porsche is expected to introduce. In 2016, the automaker is expected to launch a new lightweight sports car based on the bones of the current Boxster and labeled a 718.
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Wow, now that looks totally different than all other Porsches......
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