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Porsche: 911 GT2 news **RS Version Official Press Release (page 4)**



Faster, even more powerful athlete

Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, of Stuttgart, Germany has taken a further step forward in its current model offensive. This most powerful version of the 911 now has even higher performance and is the sixth launch this year, following the 911 GT3, Carrera 4S Cabriolet, 911 Turbo Cabriolet, GT3 RS and the 40th anniversary 911 model. The 911 GT2 available when the 2004 model year starts has a power output of 483 bhp (355 kW), an increase of 21 hp (15 kW) on the previous model, making it even more athletic and faster. The GT2 will be available from Porsche Centers from October on.

The increase in performance has been achieved by detailed improvements to the electronic engine management maps, yielding an increase of 20 Nm in maximum torque to 640 Nm between 3,500 rpm and 4,500 rpm. With a power-to-weight ratio of 4.06 kilograms per kilowatt, it now takes the rear-wheel drive GT2 only 4 seconds to accelerate from a standstill to 100 km/h and only 12.5 seconds from 0 to 200 km/h. Its maximum speed is 319 km/h, making the GT2 for the 2004 model year 4 km/h faster than its predecessor. Its exhaust emission values are similar to those of the 911 Turbo and it complies easily with the stringent D4 standards. These are equivalent to the EURO 4 standard test limits that will not become mandatory until January 1, 2005. As a matter of course, the GT2 also satisfies the US LEV standard.

Extreme sports-car performance was a clear priority when this powerful turbocharged model was developed. This is why, in addition to the power output increase, the front and rear suspension has been optimized as well, with modified springs/shock absorbers and brake system. The car now has even more sensitive four-channel ABS for effective anti-lock braking.

The boldly styled, aerodynamically advanced rear wing is available in unpainted carbon fiber upon request. It weighs 2.8 kilograms less and is standard on the Clubsport version. The door mirror housings and air output slats in the front apron panel feature a carbon look as part of this equipment package.

The 2004 GT2 generation sets itself apart with the new GT3-style wheels, which are 8.5 inches wide at the front and 12 inches at the rear. They are shod with size 235/40 R 18 tires at the front and 315/30 R 18 at the rear.

The new GT2 also comes with the "Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake" (PCCB) system as standard. The ceramic brake disks weigh 50 percent less than similarly sized metal disks, thus reducing the car's unsprung weight by some 18 kilograms. "PCCB" disks are available as an optional extra for the 911 Turbo, GT3 (with naturally aspirated engine) and Carrera 4S.

The list price for the 911 GT2 will be 159,100 Euro (excluding VAT and country-specific requirements). The selling price to the customer will be 184,674 Euro including VAT in Germany and 191,700 US $ (plus tax) in the US.
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I love this car, and even more power. Cant go wrong with that
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I just noticed the price in Autoweek the other day, $192k......holy shit, that's about $30k more than a Lambo Gallardo.

Yikes.
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lemme check my coin purse for loose change.
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I realize the GT3 has less HP, but for the U.S. I think it's the better car
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i cant wait for porcshe to stop using the same headlights on every one of there cars.
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Speed Yellow (probably a photoshop)

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This one is "disquised" to make the headlights look like the 996 (same plate number as the above magizine scan).

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i think i like the 996 headlights better
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Originally posted by Davediego
i think i like the 996 headlights better

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I like the headlights a little better, but the old ones dont look bad. I just dislike how the boxster & 911 share the same headlights.
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On headlights: God intended 911's to have round headlights

Just like the Jeeps (which were produced with non-round headlights for awhile) the Engineers at Porsche have discovered the error of their ways and have corrected their mistake.

I'm an old bastard, so I'm used to the 911's of the 70's and 80's. Nothing says porsche to me like those round "bug eye" headlights.
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Copied from: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showt...hreadid=138924

Thanks to Mikkel

Here's a German Porsche owner who caught a 997 and a 987 (?) with his camera on the Autobahn:

http://www.bcagentur.de/Porsche/

He even recorded some film clips (haven't seen them yet, I'm at work right now). The pics show larger fenders, round headlamps and blinkers moved to the front bumper.
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Car looks hot to me.
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beautiful!!!
back to the way Porsche is supposed to look.
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Originally posted by greenmonster

On headlights: God intended 911's to have round headlights

Just like the Jeeps (which were produced with non-round headlights for awhile) the Engineers at Porsche have discovered the error of their ways and have corrected their mistake.

I'm an old bastard, so I'm used to the 911's of the 70's and 80's. Nothing says porsche to me like those round "bug eye" headlights.
I agree 110%. My favorite Porsche are the 911 of the early 80s. There's something 'right' about the way those looked.

Maybe I'm just an old fart too. In high school my dream cars were the late 1970s Lotus Esprit and the 1980-2 Porsche 911 SC.

My best friend actually owned one of those for a while over the last decade - a 1979 Turbo 911 (930) with the giant whale tail. Awesome fast machine. A lot of fun to drive.
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Originally posted by Slimey
Maybe I'm just an old fart too.
I knew when I wrote that, it would come back to haunt me

I have a feeling that we're not alone. Retro styling works ('cept on the tbird) with the New Beetle and Pt Cruiser, and Chevy SSR pickup.

I look at some of the car offerings of today and have to say WTF.

I think that's why I bought the CLS. It's styling is called "bland" by the "experts", but I really like it.
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Latest pics and video here

http://www.bcagentur.de/Porsche/
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Text from CAR mag where pics above came from:

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Can the 911 keep going forever?

The evolution continues. Porsche's icon will mark its 41st year by morphing into the 997, which mixes past, present, and future. The look is old school: beefed-up tubular wings, and oval headlamps, hark right back to the 993. All 911s will sport quad tail-pipes and a cleaner, more aerodynamic rump.

Underneath, much of today's underpinnings are carried over, although the track is wider and wheel arches enlarged to make room for standard 19-in. wheels. The cabin is due for a big makeover, with new materials and luxury kit - which could even mean a tv - influenced by the Cayenne.

However, rumours that the 997 will run the big 4x4's V8 are premature: that won't happen until the 998 generation, not due for a couple of years. To tide us over, the flat sixes hanging out over the back axle yield more grunt: today's 3.6-litre engine is extended to 3.8 litres, to generate around 340bhp, (up 20bhp).

In turbocharged form, the six makes 450bhp. And the aural fireworks should be a notch louder, with reduced sound insulation cutting weight and amplifying the experience in the cabin.

The biggest drivetrain development will be the double-clutch gearbox, similar to the VW group's DSG transmission. And ceramic brakes, an option on today's Turbo, will become more widely available. The 997 is no revolution - but it didn't need to be.

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"Reduced sound insulation." That's interesting.
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Can't wait for the 997. It will begin to drive down the prices of the 996 so I can get one at a reasonable price......

I like the look of the 2002-2004 911C4S. It's my goal to own one in the next 2 years.
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Next-generation Porsche 911 caught during cold-weather testing - - - By AUTOWEEK

The photos show Porsche has abandoned the oval headlights and returned to traditional round ones. Also, the front end is new and the redesigned rear features bigger taillights. While the exterior design changes are subtle, the big news is the water-cooled flat-six engine is expected to grow in capacity to 3.8 liters and produce around 350 hp. Both cabriolet and turbo models will follow the launch of the coupe.

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I'm glad they are going back to the round headlights. I always liked those better. They remind me of my love of the 911 back when I was younger
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I'm glad they are going back to the round headlights. I always liked those better. They remind me of my love of the 911 back when I was younger
I agree. I feel the same way.
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Yep, round headlights do look better. I wonder what they're gonna do with the boxster ??

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BIGGER, BETTER 911 IS IN SIGHT

History is in the making at Porsche - the company is going back to its roots to produce an all-new 911. Exclusive shots in the current issue of Auto Express magazine show an undisguised edition of the coupé, which is due to make its official public debut early next year.

With a muscular look that's lifted straight from Porsches of old, the new machine drops the controversial 'fried egg' headlights in favour of a traditional oval lamp, which harks back to the original model from the late Sixties.

Under the skin, however, the car will get the hi-tech engine and gearbox you would expect. Entry-level models will be powered by a 3.6-litre unit previously used in the 911 turbo, while flagship cars get greater capacities of 3.8 litres and beyond. Four-wheel-drive editions are being developed and cabrio mules have been seen on test, suggesting Porsche's love affair with the performance drop-top is far from over.

Both the wheelbase and track on the car seen here have been extended, increasing stability and passenger space. However, because the firm's Cayenne off-roader has seating for four, the new 911 will be a strict two-seater.

Despite this focused approach, more luxury will be evident. While the traditional Porsche instrument layout remains - placing the rev counter in the centre of the binnacle - the newcomer gets Cayenne-style trim and more equipment.

It's expected that the new model will command a higher price than ever, with entry-level Carrera versions on sale for up to £65,000. The gap left between the 911 and Boxster is expected to be filled by a new Boxster Coupé, costing from £45,000, which will debut at the Paris Motor Show in the autumn.

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The new 911 0- - - Source: Autocar

One of 2004’s crunch new cars, the new Porsche 911, is finally uncovered today. Autocar’s exclusive photographs of this barely disguised example reveal for the first time dramatic new details of Porsche’s reworked sports car, suggested in our artist's impression (right).

The new 911, codenamed 997 to replace today’s 996, and revealed in more detail in our gallery, will not be shown publicly until September’s Paris Motor Show before arriving at UK dealerships in October.

The most obvious change outside is the loss of the ‘runny egg’ headlamps, which revert back to a simple oval shape, although many other exterior details such as bumpers, spoilers and lights, are also modified. But the biggest changes lie under the skin and in the cabin.

Unlike the outgoing 911, which departed radically from its forerunner in every single aspect of its design and engineering, the new one is described by Zuffenhausen insiders as being very evolutionary – more along the lines of a major facelift than a completely new car.

Behind the fresh appearance, it shares crucial hard points such as the angle of its windscreen, the shape and size of its door apertures, turret line and 2350mm wheelbase with the car it replaces. It’s also extremely close to today’s 911 in size: around 4430mm long, 1765mm wide and 1305mm high.

Power for the new 911 comes from an updated version of Porsche’s familiar water-cooled 3.6-litre flat six-cylinder engine. The four-valve-per-cylinder unit has been fettled to produce around 345bhp – up 25bhp on the existing model. An even stronger version, with up to 380bhp, is rumoured to be under development for the new 911 S.

Helping make the most of the engine’s increased output is a revised six-speed manual gearbox, as used by the prototype pictured here. For the first time on the 911, buyers will also be able to pick a six-speed Tiptronic with steering wheel-mounted shift buttons.

Another significant transmission development is Porsche’s decision to offer the new 911 with an optional dual-clutch gearbox, similar to the DSG ’box pioneered by Volkswagen and Audi.

Eschewing the trend towards expensive aluminium construction, the new 911 sticks with a bodyshell fashioned predominately from steel. Careful optimisation of panel thickness has helped boost overall rigidity while allowing engineers to keep weight close to 1400kg. The 30kg increase over the outgoing 911 is largely the result of added safety measures incorporated into the front end of the floorpan, according to Autocar sources.

Despite the small increase in weight, extra power outputs should ensure the new 911 is every bit as quick as today’s model against the stopwatch. A power-to-weight ratio of about 240bhp per tonne suggests a 0-60mph time of under 5.0sec for the Carrera 2 – perhaps even faster for versions fitted with the quick-shift dual-clutch arrangement. Top speed is likely to stretch to 180mph – prototype speedometers have read up to 330kph (205mph).

Underneath, the new 911 has come in for a host of detailed changes. Included are wider tracks, revised geometry for its MacPherson strut (front) and multi-link (rear) suspension and altered elasto-kinematic properties – all designed to ensure it is every bit as engaging as its predecessor to drive.

Our first photograph inside the 997 reveals a newer, Cayenne-inspired cabin. Individually cowled dials are centred around the rev counter, but are now housed under a more distinct, single binnacle. The centre console and air vents, meanwhile, have been redesigned as a one-piece panel with a more logical layout – and look less like an afterthought as a result. There is even space for storing a mobile phone ahead of the gearlever.

Despite myriad changes, the new 911 is not expected to be lumped with sweeping price rises. Dealer sources expect the base Carrera 2 to be pitched at around £59,000. That’s up £2400 on today’s car, though much of this will be offset by improved levels of standard equipment.

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thats amzing ill own one in 20 years
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No more fried egg headlights. I think either way looks great and was glad Porsche tried something new. Back to basics I see.

I love the 911.
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Or just buy a an older 911 NOW

They only made about 15,000 911s from 1987-1989, so since the supply of these cars is low, they still retain alot of value (about 1/2 of the original msrp). For about 20K you can get a decent one, or a low mile garage queen for mid to upper 20's.

The early 911's are starting to actually increase in value from year to year (source Market Analysis by Bruce Anderson - Excellence magazine). I've got to get the lastest issue, but the 72-73's are really starting to increase in value. "Buy one while you can still afford it" was a recent thread title on one of the Porsche forums.

The early 993's (last of the aircooled models) has finally started to see some major depreciation. You can get a 40-50K mile 1995 example for in the 30's.
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New Porsche 911 set to debut at Paris auto show - - - By JENS MEINERS | Automotive News Europe - - Source: Autoweek


MUNICH -- Porsche will introduce its next-generation 911 at the Paris auto show in late September. Sales of the current 911 have been declining so Porsche has relied on a flurry of special editions to maintain interest in its flagship model.

The new car, code-named 997, reverses some of its predecessor's styling touches, which were not welcomed by customers. The changes include more-traditional headlights with separate turn signals.

The rear lights will also be changed. The basic shape of the body will remain close to the current 911. Although the car keeps its engine in the rear, large air ducts in the front are added to give it a more aggressive face.

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Originally posted by greenmonster
Or just buy a an older 911 NOW

They only made about 15,000 911s from 1987-1989, so since the supply of these cars is low, they still retain alot of value (about 1/2 of the original msrp). For about 20K you can get a decent one, or a low mile garage queen for mid to upper 20's.

That's a really good point. The 83-89 coupes are starting to hold their value really well or even slightly increase in comparison to the Targas and Cabriolets because of the demand for those cars for autocross/SCCA racing.
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