Pontiac G6 News **GXP Specs (page 9)**
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The sizzle in the Steak
Looks to be the "darling" of the rental fleet!
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Originally Posted by Infamous425
im not counting fleet sales
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coupe tail lights look like a solara while the bumper mimics the angels of the 350z. The front also shares similarities with the solara/camry. Be more original. What ever happened to the days of the WS6 TA's and Formulas at Pontiac.
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2006 Pontiac G6 Convertible
The unusual weather that has plagued California provides an unusual backdrop for the new 2006 Pontiac G6 hardtop convertible on the beach in Malibu, Monday, January 3, 2005 just prior to its worldwide introduction at the Los Angeles Auto Show on Wednesday. The G6 convertible's retractable hardtop operates with the touch of a button and takes less than 30 seconds to transform from coupe to convertible.
The unusual weather that has plagued California provides an unusual backdrop for the new 2006 Pontiac G6 hardtop convertible on the beach in Malibu, Monday, January 3, 2005 just prior to its worldwide introduction at the Los Angeles Auto Show on Wednesday. The G6 convertible's retractable hardtop operates with the touch of a button and takes less than 30 seconds to transform from coupe to convertible.
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Source: Autoweek
2006 Pontiac G6 coupe / convertible
Engine: 3.5-liter V-6
Horsepower: 200
Height: 57.0 inches
Width: 70.6 inches
Length: 189.0 inches
Curb weight: not determined
What the automaker says: "Both the coupe and convertible deliver 2+2 seating suitable for four adults."
What you should know: Doors on coupe and convertible are 6 inches longer than the front doors on the G6 sedan to make it easier for people to get in and out of the back seat. Retractable hardtop stows behind rear seats.
Production possibility: Production begins this summer.
Engine: 3.5-liter V-6
Horsepower: 200
Height: 57.0 inches
Width: 70.6 inches
Length: 189.0 inches
Curb weight: not determined
What the automaker says: "Both the coupe and convertible deliver 2+2 seating suitable for four adults."
What you should know: Doors on coupe and convertible are 6 inches longer than the front doors on the G6 sedan to make it easier for people to get in and out of the back seat. Retractable hardtop stows behind rear seats.
Production possibility: Production begins this summer.
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I like it. The shape and rear resembles the Solara, but it'll eat the Solara up. Why? The hardtop coupe, which looks great, IMO. I'm also loving the fact that they put the good steering wheel (from the Chevy HHR) in there instead of the hideous one (from the sedan, Malibu, Vette, etc.). It'll be the only hardtop, 4seat convet on the market; Pontiac may have a hit on it's hands. Personally, I'll take the Soltice for the fun to drive factor, but I'd get it for my girl.
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If the V6 is more than $20k it's a rip-off.
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Autoweek says the conv will be about 30k....
It's great that they have a hardtop but the rest of the car sucks...especially the rental car interior. W/o the hardtop the car would just be another GM fleet
It's great that they have a hardtop but the rest of the car sucks...especially the rental car interior. W/o the hardtop the car would just be another GM fleet
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Looks pretty good IMO.
In regards to the interior, it looks like the old typical GM interior in pics, but in person as well as in the car reviews, the material quality is much improved over past GM interiors. It's actually not bad at all.
In regards to the interior, it looks like the old typical GM interior in pics, but in person as well as in the car reviews, the material quality is much improved over past GM interiors. It's actually not bad at all.
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Originally Posted by phile
Even so, it'll probably be the cheapest convertible with a retractable roof on the market. I don't think the Solstice will have a retractable roof.
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The sizzle in the Steak
'Oprah' buzz works no magic for Pontiac G6
Sales of Grand Am replacement 'awful'
March 22, 2005
BY SARAH A. WEBSTER
FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER
More "great" news for GM
March 22, 2005
BY SARAH A. WEBSTER
FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER
So much for Oprah's magic touch.
In September, the woman who made Dr. Phil a household name, launched her own magazine and drove countless books onto the best-seller list gave 276 members of her "Oprah Winfrey Show" audience a new Pontiac G6 -- a move heralded in marketing circles for its wide reach and emotional impact.
General Motors Corp. and marketing experts were abuzz with speculation that Winfrey's powers might cascade through the automotive retail world.
Indeed, Gary Steilen, the marketing manager for the G6, reported that the new midsize sedan, which replaced the 21-year-old Pontiac Grand Am, is "doing very well."
But industry researchers said the G6 -- which has been on the market for six months -- has been a flop, with nothing special to set it apart except, perhaps, the panoramic sunroof. And that's optional.
As evidence of the car's meager performance, auto experts note that the world's largest automaker has dramatically ramped up rebates on the car just to get it selling at modest levels. The automaker offered more than $3,600 in incentives on it last month, and it sold less than half of what the Grand Am was averaging per month.
Ronald Tadross, an auto analyst with the Banc of America Securities brokerage firm, said the disappointing performance of the G6 -- an important piece of the GM portfolio -- doesn't bode well for at least part of the company's financial future.
"I would say it ranks in the top quartile of car products to watch out of GM, and unfortunately, it's been a challenge," he said.
Tadross specifically cited the sluggish performance of the G6 as a "key reason" he warned investors in a report last month to sell their stock in GM, sparking a sell-off on Wall Street that damaged the automaker and local investors. He said he believes sales are "at least 30 percent below" where they need to be to keep the G6 factories running at capacity, which he estimated at 200,000 vehicles a year.
"The thing that is most disappointing is how fast the incentives went up," Tadross said. "And the volume is still below what we think is full capacity."
Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing Research Inc. in Bandon, Ore., agreed, characterizing the performance of the G6 as "awful."
"The reality is, this car was supposed to do something, and it didn't do it," Spinella said. "It just hasn't reached the level they had hoped for. It's not doing as well as it should."
GM's Steilen said he is frustrated with such opinions.
He defended the car's performance, saying that it takes about a year for a vehicle with such high volume projections to ramp up, and he noted that most of the G6 variations, such as the four-cylinder version and convertible, aren't even on the market yet.
"To me, it's anything but a disappointment," he said of the G6's performance.
But the proof may be in the numbers.
Consumers bought an average of 195,949 Grand Ams a year, or an average of 16,329 a month, between its release in 1984 and last year, according to the research firm Autodata Corp. of Woodcliff Lake, N.J.
In February, consumers bought 7,043 G6s, which would translate into about 84,516 in annual sales.
To get those volumes, GM has had to offer substantial incentives, such as cash-back rebates and discounted financing rates. Buyers in this region today can get at least $1,500 cash off of the G6, or $500 off plus special interest rates of 2 percent or less for loans up to 72 months.
Automakers do not publicly report how much they spent on incentives. But according to the consumer Web site, Edmunds.com, one of several companies that estimate incentive spending, GM offered $3,635 in G6 incentives in February, up from $1,291 in October, the month after it was released.
Meanwhile, the average transaction price of the typically-equipped G6 was $22,339 in February -- its lowest since its release. The vehicle has a starting price of $23,486.
Without a doubt, the auto retail market is tougher than it was in 1984, and the G6 is facing a market that now prefers trucks to cars. But the ramp-up of the G6 has been significantly slower than the ramp-up of the Grand Am.
Since Winfrey's media-splash giveaway, consumers have purchased 27,332 G6s. But in the first six months of the Grand Am release, 31,673 cars were sold, according to Autodata. So the G6 is selling about 86 percent as well as the Grand Am did half a year into its launch.
Detroit Free Press auto critic Mark Phelan saw problems with the G6 coming. He gave the car two out of four stars in a review last year, noting: "They are attractive, comfortable and competent cars, but a high price, iffy interiors and oddly tuned steering leave them well short of sporty competitors."
Spinella said neither GM's marketing department nor Winfrey can be blamed for the market performance of the G6.
"It's one thing to have that kind of a major marketing coup, but you need to back it up," said Spinella, who said he believes that the vehicle is an underwhelming package in a competitive marketplace.
"Even though the G6 is new, it's not new or fresh enough," he said. "It's not a breakthrough design. It's what's forcing Ford to redesign the Five Hundred."
In fact, Spinella said, GM's marketing department should be credited with getting the lackluster G6 so much attention.
CNW's research shows that GM is tops in the marketing department, getting some of the best showroom traffic among automakers. Currently, Pontiac is sponsoring the NCAA men's basketball tournament, giving the G6 a new round of high exposure.
With the G6 not selling as well as the vehicle it replaced, GM continues to lose market share. GM's share of the market was down to 25.1 percent for the year through February, compared with 26.9 percent a year ago and 27.5 percent for all of 2004.
But even though GM's products, marketing and even prices might be good, Spinella said, "You have to be great in order to gain market share."
And that's a hard truth not easily disguised -- even with a little of Winfrey's polish.
In September, the woman who made Dr. Phil a household name, launched her own magazine and drove countless books onto the best-seller list gave 276 members of her "Oprah Winfrey Show" audience a new Pontiac G6 -- a move heralded in marketing circles for its wide reach and emotional impact.
General Motors Corp. and marketing experts were abuzz with speculation that Winfrey's powers might cascade through the automotive retail world.
Indeed, Gary Steilen, the marketing manager for the G6, reported that the new midsize sedan, which replaced the 21-year-old Pontiac Grand Am, is "doing very well."
But industry researchers said the G6 -- which has been on the market for six months -- has been a flop, with nothing special to set it apart except, perhaps, the panoramic sunroof. And that's optional.
As evidence of the car's meager performance, auto experts note that the world's largest automaker has dramatically ramped up rebates on the car just to get it selling at modest levels. The automaker offered more than $3,600 in incentives on it last month, and it sold less than half of what the Grand Am was averaging per month.
Ronald Tadross, an auto analyst with the Banc of America Securities brokerage firm, said the disappointing performance of the G6 -- an important piece of the GM portfolio -- doesn't bode well for at least part of the company's financial future.
"I would say it ranks in the top quartile of car products to watch out of GM, and unfortunately, it's been a challenge," he said.
Tadross specifically cited the sluggish performance of the G6 as a "key reason" he warned investors in a report last month to sell their stock in GM, sparking a sell-off on Wall Street that damaged the automaker and local investors. He said he believes sales are "at least 30 percent below" where they need to be to keep the G6 factories running at capacity, which he estimated at 200,000 vehicles a year.
"The thing that is most disappointing is how fast the incentives went up," Tadross said. "And the volume is still below what we think is full capacity."
Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing Research Inc. in Bandon, Ore., agreed, characterizing the performance of the G6 as "awful."
"The reality is, this car was supposed to do something, and it didn't do it," Spinella said. "It just hasn't reached the level they had hoped for. It's not doing as well as it should."
GM's Steilen said he is frustrated with such opinions.
He defended the car's performance, saying that it takes about a year for a vehicle with such high volume projections to ramp up, and he noted that most of the G6 variations, such as the four-cylinder version and convertible, aren't even on the market yet.
"To me, it's anything but a disappointment," he said of the G6's performance.
But the proof may be in the numbers.
Consumers bought an average of 195,949 Grand Ams a year, or an average of 16,329 a month, between its release in 1984 and last year, according to the research firm Autodata Corp. of Woodcliff Lake, N.J.
In February, consumers bought 7,043 G6s, which would translate into about 84,516 in annual sales.
To get those volumes, GM has had to offer substantial incentives, such as cash-back rebates and discounted financing rates. Buyers in this region today can get at least $1,500 cash off of the G6, or $500 off plus special interest rates of 2 percent or less for loans up to 72 months.
Automakers do not publicly report how much they spent on incentives. But according to the consumer Web site, Edmunds.com, one of several companies that estimate incentive spending, GM offered $3,635 in G6 incentives in February, up from $1,291 in October, the month after it was released.
Meanwhile, the average transaction price of the typically-equipped G6 was $22,339 in February -- its lowest since its release. The vehicle has a starting price of $23,486.
Without a doubt, the auto retail market is tougher than it was in 1984, and the G6 is facing a market that now prefers trucks to cars. But the ramp-up of the G6 has been significantly slower than the ramp-up of the Grand Am.
Since Winfrey's media-splash giveaway, consumers have purchased 27,332 G6s. But in the first six months of the Grand Am release, 31,673 cars were sold, according to Autodata. So the G6 is selling about 86 percent as well as the Grand Am did half a year into its launch.
Detroit Free Press auto critic Mark Phelan saw problems with the G6 coming. He gave the car two out of four stars in a review last year, noting: "They are attractive, comfortable and competent cars, but a high price, iffy interiors and oddly tuned steering leave them well short of sporty competitors."
Spinella said neither GM's marketing department nor Winfrey can be blamed for the market performance of the G6.
"It's one thing to have that kind of a major marketing coup, but you need to back it up," said Spinella, who said he believes that the vehicle is an underwhelming package in a competitive marketplace.
"Even though the G6 is new, it's not new or fresh enough," he said. "It's not a breakthrough design. It's what's forcing Ford to redesign the Five Hundred."
In fact, Spinella said, GM's marketing department should be credited with getting the lackluster G6 so much attention.
CNW's research shows that GM is tops in the marketing department, getting some of the best showroom traffic among automakers. Currently, Pontiac is sponsoring the NCAA men's basketball tournament, giving the G6 a new round of high exposure.
With the G6 not selling as well as the vehicle it replaced, GM continues to lose market share. GM's share of the market was down to 25.1 percent for the year through February, compared with 26.9 percent a year ago and 27.5 percent for all of 2004.
But even though GM's products, marketing and even prices might be good, Spinella said, "You have to be great in order to gain market share."
And that's a hard truth not easily disguised -- even with a little of Winfrey's polish.
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The GM spokesperson does have a point though. It's not easy selling a car with just a V6 model. Most Accord and Camry buyers opt for the 4-cylinder models. So when the G6 does come to market with a 4-cylinder, perhaps it'll sell better.
Personally I still wouldn't buy one, Pontiac interiors =
Personally I still wouldn't buy one, Pontiac interiors =
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Originally Posted by phile
The GM spokesperson does have a point though. It's not easy selling a car with just a V6 model. Most Accord and Camry buyers opt for the 4-cylinder models. So when the G6 does come to market with a 4-cylinder, perhaps it'll sell better.
Personally I still wouldn't buy one, Pontiac interiors =
Personally I still wouldn't buy one, Pontiac interiors =
The interior on the G6 is light years ahead of the Grand Dam but somehow light years behind the Accord.
#154
YIKES!
Consumers bought an average of 195,949 Grand Ams a year, or an average of 16,329 a month, between its release in 1984 and last year, according to the research firm Autodata Corp. of Woodcliff Lake, N.J.
In February, consumers bought 7,043 G6s, which would translate into about 84,516 in annual sales.
Consumers bought an average of 195,949 Grand Ams a year, or an average of 16,329 a month, between its release in 1984 and last year, according to the research firm Autodata Corp. of Woodcliff Lake, N.J.
In February, consumers bought 7,043 G6s, which would translate into about 84,516 in annual sales.
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I don't think these number should even count until the 4-cyl model is released. Sales will probably double at least, which would put them right around where they were with the Grand Am.
That's what they get for holding back the base model. Dummies.
That's what they get for holding back the base model. Dummies.
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GM: bad marketing, bad product = disaster financially
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Originally Posted by ClutchPerformer
I don't think these number should even count until the 4-cyl model is released. Sales will probably double at least, which would put them right around where they were with the Grand Am.
That's what they get for holding back the base model. Dummies.
That's what they get for holding back the base model. Dummies.
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He defended the car's performance, saying that it takes about a year for a vehicle with such high volume projections to ramp up, and he noted that most of the G6 variations, such as the four-cylinder version and convertible, aren't even on the market yet.[/
Exactly. It's way too early to judge the sales of the G6 yet. Plus the coupe and cabrio were just released. Plus the 4 cyl. will be the volume leader.
I cant see how the G6 could do worse than the Grand Am. That would be very higly unlikely. The G6 is lightyears ahead of its predecessor.
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The G6 should have the 3.9L making 240HP for it's standard V6. They should have focused on handling, and weight reductio n if at all possible (I know it's on Epsilon). The exterior is lacking the wide stance, sexy lines, and great detail of the concept. The interior's a complete departure from the concept. Funny, the Soltice's interior is similar to the theme of the G6 concepts, and they kept it for production. Clean, modern, nice two tone color scheme. The G6 could (and should) have been so much more.