Nov 08 Sales
12-02-2008, 03:22 PM
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Nov 08 Sales
American Honda Motor Co., Inc., posted November sales of 76,233, a decline of 31.6 percent, compared to record November 2007 results. American Honda year-to-date sales of 1,342,680 represent a 5.8 percent decrease, based on the daily selling rate*.
Honda Division posted November sales of 68,345, a decline of 30.6 percent versus November 2007. Monthly Pilot sales increased 4.5 percent to 5,601.
The Acura Division posted sales of 7,888, a decrease of 38.9 percent compared to November 2007. The TL luxury performance sedan was the brand's top seller with sales of 3,160.
Honda Division posted November sales of 68,345, a decline of 30.6 percent versus November 2007. Monthly Pilot sales increased 4.5 percent to 5,601.
The Acura Division posted sales of 7,888, a decrease of 38.9 percent compared to November 2007. The TL luxury performance sedan was the brand's top seller with sales of 3,160.
Toyota Reports November Sales
Last update: 12:08 p.m. EST Dec. 2, 2008
TORRANCE, Calif., Dec 02, 2008 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc., today reported November sales of 130,307 vehicles, a decrease of 33.9 percent from last November, on a daily selling rate basis.
The Toyota Division posted November sales of 114,084 units, a decrease of 33.8 percent from last November. The Lexus Division reported November sales of 16,223 units, a decrease of 34.7 percent from the year-ago month.
Toyota Division
Toyota Division passenger cars recorded November sales of 68,013 units, down 31.1 percent from the same period last year. Passenger car sales were led by Camry and Camry Hybrid, which posted combined sales of 25,224 units. Camry Hybrid reported November sales of 2,174 units. Corolla recorded sales of 21,807 units. Yaris reported sales of 4,545 units for the month. The Prius mid-size gas-electric hybrid posted November sales of 8,660 units.
Toyota Division light trucks posted November sales of 46,071 units, down 37.4 percent from November 2007. Light truck sales were led by the RAV4 compact SUV with November sales of 9,260 units. The Tacoma mid-size pickup reported sales of 8,648 units for the month. Highlander and Highlander Hybrid posted combined sales of 7,887 units. The Highlander Hybrid gas-electric mid- size SUV reported sales of 907 units. Sequoia posted sales of 1,873 units for the month, up 51.9 percent over the same period last year.
Scion posted November sales of 5,275 units. The xB urban utility vehicle led the way with sales of 2,161 units. The tC sports coupe recorded sales of 1,728 units. The xD reported sales of 1,386 units for the month.
Lexus Division
Lexus passenger cars reported November sales of 8,941 units, a decrease of 40.0 percent from November 2007. Passenger car sales were led by the ES entry luxury sedan with November sales of 4,116 units. The IS entry luxury sport sedan reported combined sales of 2,749 units. The LS flagship luxury sedan reported combined sales of 1,272 units. The GS luxury sport sedan reported combined November sales of 721 units.
Lexus Division light trucks recorded November sales of 7,282 units, down 26.9 percent from the year-ago month. Lexus sales were led by the RX luxury utility vehicle, which posted combined November sales of 5,850 units. The RX 400h hybrid luxury utility vehicle reported sales of 624 units for the month.
TMS Hybrids
TMS calendar-year-to-date hybrid sales totaled 229,204 units. TMS posted November sales of 12,444 hybrid vehicles. Toyota Division recorded sales of 11,741 hybrids for the month. Lexus Division reported November sales of 703 hybrids.
Last update: 12:08 p.m. EST Dec. 2, 2008
TORRANCE, Calif., Dec 02, 2008 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc., today reported November sales of 130,307 vehicles, a decrease of 33.9 percent from last November, on a daily selling rate basis.
The Toyota Division posted November sales of 114,084 units, a decrease of 33.8 percent from last November. The Lexus Division reported November sales of 16,223 units, a decrease of 34.7 percent from the year-ago month.
Toyota Division
Toyota Division passenger cars recorded November sales of 68,013 units, down 31.1 percent from the same period last year. Passenger car sales were led by Camry and Camry Hybrid, which posted combined sales of 25,224 units. Camry Hybrid reported November sales of 2,174 units. Corolla recorded sales of 21,807 units. Yaris reported sales of 4,545 units for the month. The Prius mid-size gas-electric hybrid posted November sales of 8,660 units.
Toyota Division light trucks posted November sales of 46,071 units, down 37.4 percent from November 2007. Light truck sales were led by the RAV4 compact SUV with November sales of 9,260 units. The Tacoma mid-size pickup reported sales of 8,648 units for the month. Highlander and Highlander Hybrid posted combined sales of 7,887 units. The Highlander Hybrid gas-electric mid- size SUV reported sales of 907 units. Sequoia posted sales of 1,873 units for the month, up 51.9 percent over the same period last year.
Scion posted November sales of 5,275 units. The xB urban utility vehicle led the way with sales of 2,161 units. The tC sports coupe recorded sales of 1,728 units. The xD reported sales of 1,386 units for the month.
Lexus Division
Lexus passenger cars reported November sales of 8,941 units, a decrease of 40.0 percent from November 2007. Passenger car sales were led by the ES entry luxury sedan with November sales of 4,116 units. The IS entry luxury sport sedan reported combined sales of 2,749 units. The LS flagship luxury sedan reported combined sales of 1,272 units. The GS luxury sport sedan reported combined November sales of 721 units.
Lexus Division light trucks recorded November sales of 7,282 units, down 26.9 percent from the year-ago month. Lexus sales were led by the RX luxury utility vehicle, which posted combined November sales of 5,850 units. The RX 400h hybrid luxury utility vehicle reported sales of 624 units for the month.
TMS Hybrids
TMS calendar-year-to-date hybrid sales totaled 229,204 units. TMS posted November sales of 12,444 hybrid vehicles. Toyota Division recorded sales of 11,741 hybrids for the month. Lexus Division reported November sales of 703 hybrids.
Nissan North America Announces November Sales
Last update: 3:59 p.m. EST Dec. 2, 2008
FRANKLIN, Tenn., Dec 02, 2008 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- Nissan North America, Inc. (NNA) today reported sales for November of 46,605 units versus 80,683 units a year ago, a decrease of 42.2 percent. Sales of Nissan Division vehicles decreased 44.4 percent, while sales of Infiniti vehicles decreased by 28.0 percent.
NISSAN HIGHLIGHTS
-- Nissan vehicles saw sales of 38,974 units in November compared with 70,079 units sold in November 2007, a 44.4 percent decrease.
-- The GT-R super car was recently named the 2009 Motor Trend Car of the Year and 2009 Automobile Magazine Automobile of the Year.
-- The new Versa 1.6 Sedan is arriving at dealerships nationwide and is available starting at $9,990.
-- Nissan continues to offer 0% financing on select models to qualified consumers.
-- Nissan in November unveiled the all-new, next-generation 2009 370Z sports car, scheduled to hit showrooms in early 2009, and the all-new, uniquely styled Cube, which will be available in spring 2009.
INFINITI HIGHLIGHTS
-- Infiniti sales for November were 7,631 units, down from 10,604 units a year ago, a decline of 28.0 percent.
-- Infiniti in November unveiled the all-new, first-ever 2009 G Convertible, which is scheduled to go on sale in spring of 2009. The 2009 Infiniti G Convertible Premier Edition is available exclusively through Bloomingdale's Holiday Catalog.
NNA INFORMATION
-- Combined sales for Nissan and Infiniti of 46,605 units, compared with last November's sales of 80,683 units, marked a decrease of 42.2 percent.
Last update: 3:59 p.m. EST Dec. 2, 2008
FRANKLIN, Tenn., Dec 02, 2008 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- Nissan North America, Inc. (NNA) today reported sales for November of 46,605 units versus 80,683 units a year ago, a decrease of 42.2 percent. Sales of Nissan Division vehicles decreased 44.4 percent, while sales of Infiniti vehicles decreased by 28.0 percent.
NISSAN HIGHLIGHTS
-- Nissan vehicles saw sales of 38,974 units in November compared with 70,079 units sold in November 2007, a 44.4 percent decrease.
-- The GT-R super car was recently named the 2009 Motor Trend Car of the Year and 2009 Automobile Magazine Automobile of the Year.
-- The new Versa 1.6 Sedan is arriving at dealerships nationwide and is available starting at $9,990.
-- Nissan continues to offer 0% financing on select models to qualified consumers.
-- Nissan in November unveiled the all-new, next-generation 2009 370Z sports car, scheduled to hit showrooms in early 2009, and the all-new, uniquely styled Cube, which will be available in spring 2009.
INFINITI HIGHLIGHTS
-- Infiniti sales for November were 7,631 units, down from 10,604 units a year ago, a decline of 28.0 percent.
-- Infiniti in November unveiled the all-new, first-ever 2009 G Convertible, which is scheduled to go on sale in spring of 2009. The 2009 Infiniti G Convertible Premier Edition is available exclusively through Bloomingdale's Holiday Catalog.
NNA INFORMATION
-- Combined sales for Nissan and Infiniti of 46,605 units, compared with last November's sales of 80,683 units, marked a decrease of 42.2 percent.
Mazda Reports November 2008 Sales
- MAZDA5 Sales Lead The Way -
Last update: 2:03 p.m. EST Dec. 2, 2008
IRVINE, Calif., Dec 02, 2008 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Mazda North American Operations (MNAO) today reported November 2008 sales of 14,134, down 31.3 percent versus last year (down 28.6 percent on a DSR basis), and year-to-date sales of 245,984, down 9.3 percent.
The MAZDA5 multi-activity vehicle had an incredible sales month with sales of 1,499 units; volume was up more than three times over November 2007. On a year-to-date basis, the MAZDA5 is up 36.8 percent.
"We initially thought the light at the end of the tunnel would be getting closer as we neared the end of the year, but every sale continues to be a struggle," said Jim O'Sullivan, president and CEO, MNAO. "There's credit out there, and fuel prices have receded to levels we haven't seen in a year, but consumer confidence remains the problem. Down a little more than nine percent year-over-year may be nothing to crow about, but we feel we'll be well positioned for when the economy turns, thanks to the right cars, at the right price, sold through the right dealers."
The all-new 2009 MAZDA6, which arrived at dealerships across the country in September, continues its strong start. The new MAZDA6 features a larger body than the outgoing car, as well as more powerful -- and more fuel efficient -- engine choices.
Mazda Motor de Mexico (MMdM) celebrated its best-ever November with sales of 1,994 vehicles, up 36 percent versus last year. On a year-to-date basis, MMdM reported 19,293 total sales, accounting for a 33 percent increase versus last year. The all-new MAZDA6 also had a record month with 407 vehicles sold, up 450 percent versus last November. Mazda Canada Inc. (MCI) reported November sales of 5,024 units, up slightly compared to November 2007.
- MAZDA5 Sales Lead The Way -
Last update: 2:03 p.m. EST Dec. 2, 2008
IRVINE, Calif., Dec 02, 2008 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Mazda North American Operations (MNAO) today reported November 2008 sales of 14,134, down 31.3 percent versus last year (down 28.6 percent on a DSR basis), and year-to-date sales of 245,984, down 9.3 percent.
The MAZDA5 multi-activity vehicle had an incredible sales month with sales of 1,499 units; volume was up more than three times over November 2007. On a year-to-date basis, the MAZDA5 is up 36.8 percent.
"We initially thought the light at the end of the tunnel would be getting closer as we neared the end of the year, but every sale continues to be a struggle," said Jim O'Sullivan, president and CEO, MNAO. "There's credit out there, and fuel prices have receded to levels we haven't seen in a year, but consumer confidence remains the problem. Down a little more than nine percent year-over-year may be nothing to crow about, but we feel we'll be well positioned for when the economy turns, thanks to the right cars, at the right price, sold through the right dealers."
The all-new 2009 MAZDA6, which arrived at dealerships across the country in September, continues its strong start. The new MAZDA6 features a larger body than the outgoing car, as well as more powerful -- and more fuel efficient -- engine choices.
Mazda Motor de Mexico (MMdM) celebrated its best-ever November with sales of 1,994 vehicles, up 36 percent versus last year. On a year-to-date basis, MMdM reported 19,293 total sales, accounting for a 33 percent increase versus last year. The all-new MAZDA6 also had a record month with 407 vehicles sold, up 450 percent versus last November. Mazda Canada Inc. (MCI) reported November sales of 5,024 units, up slightly compared to November 2007.
12-02-2008, 03:41 PM
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12-02-2008, 04:24 PM
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Official Release: MINI USA reported November sales of 4,545 automobiles, up 43.1 percent from the 3,177 cars sold in November 2007. Year-to-date, the division reported sales of 50,511 automobiles, an increase of 31.3 percent, compared to the 38,483 cars reported in the first eleven months of 2007.
“We’ve seen some slowing in MINI showroom traffic just the same as everyone else in the last month,” said Jim McDowell, Vice-President of MINI USA. “However, we’re still positive about our future sales due to the fact the recent frenzy towards more efficient transportation has introduced more consumers to our brand. This has helped us hit the milestone of 50,000 sales in November, one month sooner than we expected.”
“We’ve seen some slowing in MINI showroom traffic just the same as everyone else in the last month,” said Jim McDowell, Vice-President of MINI USA. “However, we’re still positive about our future sales due to the fact the recent frenzy towards more efficient transportation has introduced more consumers to our brand. This has helped us hit the milestone of 50,000 sales in November, one month sooner than we expected.”
Well somebody is doing well.
The people love them the MINI!!!!
12-02-2008, 05:49 PM
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People are just not buying automobiles, PERIOD.
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interesting sales for the new Pilot are actually up.
12-02-2008, 05:59 PM
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If it were as off road capable as a pathfinder I would be drooling for one.
12-02-2008, 08:49 PM
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Chrysler, GM, Toyota, Hyundai report massive sales declines
Every major automaker today reported significant U.S. sales declines for the month of November. Worst hit - so far - was Chrysler, down a whopping 47 percent. But Nissan and General Motors weren’t far behind with massive 42 and 41 percent drops, respectively. You might be surprised to hear Hyundai is next on the list, declining 40 percent, and sister company Kia tumbled 37 percent. And even Toyota’s sales slumped by 34 percent.
Nissan division reported a 44.4 percent drop, while its Infiniti luxury subsidiary saw a 28 percent drop.
Honda reported an overall decline of 32 percent. Mazda sales were down roughly the same amount — 31.3 for the month of November. Ford fared slightly better than much of the competition, reporting a 31 percent decline in sales. Following closely was Daimler, reporting a 30 percent drop in Mercedes-Benz and Smart sales. BMW sales were down 27 percent.
Subaru seems to be fairing the best so far - the Japanese automaker’s sales were down just 8 percent and its Forester compact SUV had its best November ever.
Mitsubishi sales were down 36 percent to 5,096 units, though the Outlander had its best month in six months.
But sometimes it’s important to dig a little deeper into these numbers. For example, BMW brand sales were off a whopping 36.1 percent. Sales of Mini models shot up an amazing 43.1 percent, which helped to improve BMW’s overall figures. Similarly, Mercedes brand sales were actually down 38 percent, offset somewhat by sales of Smart models, which began in the United States in January 2008.
Over at the Chrysler camp, sales figures are a mixed bag of bad and worse. Chrysler brand sales collapsed 57 percent, while Dodge was down 44 percent and Jeep 42 percent. Chrysler 300 and Sebring sales fell by 70 percent and 67 percent, respectively. Aspen and Challenger sales were the only good news.
Ford was a little more balanced, with the namesake brand declining 30 percent, and Mercury falling a predictable 41.4 percent. Surprisingly, Lincoln sales were down just 8.3 percent, which is definitely a good sign for the luxury brand, which introduced the new MKS sedan this year. Ford’s Volvo subsidiary was the firm’s biggest loser, reporting a 46.5 percent decline.
The Toyota and Lexus divisions had comparable declines of 33.8 and 34.7 percent, respectively. Scion sales slumped the most — down 45 percent. Rival Honda was slightly more polarized, with the luxury Acura division posting a 39 percent decline, compared with a 30.6 percent drop for the Honda brand.
Chrysler, GM, Toyota, Hyundai report massive sales declines
Every major automaker today reported significant U.S. sales declines for the month of November. Worst hit - so far - was Chrysler, down a whopping 47 percent. But Nissan and General Motors weren’t far behind with massive 42 and 41 percent drops, respectively. You might be surprised to hear Hyundai is next on the list, declining 40 percent, and sister company Kia tumbled 37 percent. And even Toyota’s sales slumped by 34 percent.
Nissan division reported a 44.4 percent drop, while its Infiniti luxury subsidiary saw a 28 percent drop.
Honda reported an overall decline of 32 percent. Mazda sales were down roughly the same amount — 31.3 for the month of November. Ford fared slightly better than much of the competition, reporting a 31 percent decline in sales. Following closely was Daimler, reporting a 30 percent drop in Mercedes-Benz and Smart sales. BMW sales were down 27 percent.
Subaru seems to be fairing the best so far - the Japanese automaker’s sales were down just 8 percent and its Forester compact SUV had its best November ever.
Mitsubishi sales were down 36 percent to 5,096 units, though the Outlander had its best month in six months.
But sometimes it’s important to dig a little deeper into these numbers. For example, BMW brand sales were off a whopping 36.1 percent. Sales of Mini models shot up an amazing 43.1 percent, which helped to improve BMW’s overall figures. Similarly, Mercedes brand sales were actually down 38 percent, offset somewhat by sales of Smart models, which began in the United States in January 2008.
Over at the Chrysler camp, sales figures are a mixed bag of bad and worse. Chrysler brand sales collapsed 57 percent, while Dodge was down 44 percent and Jeep 42 percent. Chrysler 300 and Sebring sales fell by 70 percent and 67 percent, respectively. Aspen and Challenger sales were the only good news.
Ford was a little more balanced, with the namesake brand declining 30 percent, and Mercury falling a predictable 41.4 percent. Surprisingly, Lincoln sales were down just 8.3 percent, which is definitely a good sign for the luxury brand, which introduced the new MKS sedan this year. Ford’s Volvo subsidiary was the firm’s biggest loser, reporting a 46.5 percent decline.
The Toyota and Lexus divisions had comparable declines of 33.8 and 34.7 percent, respectively. Scion sales slumped the most — down 45 percent. Rival Honda was slightly more polarized, with the luxury Acura division posting a 39 percent decline, compared with a 30.6 percent drop for the Honda brand.
Data sheets
# Chrysler - 85,260 units - down 47 percent
# Toyota - 130,307 units - down 34 percent
# Honda - 76,233 units - down 31.6 percent
# Hyundai - 19,221 units — down 40 percent
# Kia - 15,182 units — down 40 percent
# Mercedes/Smart - 15,991 units - down 30 percent
# Mazda - 14,134 units - down 31.3 percent
# Subaru - 13,706 units - down 8 percent
# Nissan/Infiniti - 46,605 units - down 42.2 percent
# Chrysler - 85,260 units - down 47 percent
# Toyota - 130,307 units - down 34 percent
# Honda - 76,233 units - down 31.6 percent
# Hyundai - 19,221 units — down 40 percent
# Kia - 15,182 units — down 40 percent
# Mercedes/Smart - 15,991 units - down 30 percent
# Mazda - 14,134 units - down 31.3 percent
# Subaru - 13,706 units - down 8 percent
# Nissan/Infiniti - 46,605 units - down 42.2 percent
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So he walked and he'll likely get an Accord Sedan which I found to be almost as nice as the TSX. I really don't know that I could justify an extra $5-7000 for the TSX over the 4-banger Accord.
12-03-2008, 09:33 AM
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12-03-2008, 10:55 AM
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Manufacturer November 2008 November 2007 Percentage Change
Chrysler 15,481 18,419 -16.0
Ford 16,109 15,909 +1.3
General Motors 21,261 27,761 -23.4
Acura 914 2,212 -58.7
Audi 737 606 +21.6
BMW 1,833 1,956 -6.3
Honda 8,310 11,464 -27.5
Hyundai 5,563 5,510 +1.0
Infiniti 450 472 -4.7
Jaguar 40 35 +14.3
Kia 2,703 2,765 -2.2
Land Rover 142 169 -16.0
Lexus 1,152 967 +19.1
Mazda 5,024 4,715 +6.6
Mercedes-Benz 1,639 1,434 +14.3
Mini 358 265 +35.1
Mitsubishi 1,287 1,023 +25.8
Nissan 4,479 4,386 +2.1
Porsche 115 114 +0.9
Saab 87 104 -16.3
Smart 177 10 +1,670.0
Subaru 1,473 1,243 +18.5
Suzuki 934 801 +16.6
Toyota 11,640 11,587 +0.5
Volkswagen 2,840 2,903 -2.2
Volvo 473 454 +4.2
Chrysler 15,481 18,419 -16.0
Ford 16,109 15,909 +1.3
General Motors 21,261 27,761 -23.4
Acura 914 2,212 -58.7
Audi 737 606 +21.6
BMW 1,833 1,956 -6.3
Honda 8,310 11,464 -27.5
Hyundai 5,563 5,510 +1.0
Infiniti 450 472 -4.7
Jaguar 40 35 +14.3
Kia 2,703 2,765 -2.2
Land Rover 142 169 -16.0
Lexus 1,152 967 +19.1
Mazda 5,024 4,715 +6.6
Mercedes-Benz 1,639 1,434 +14.3
Mini 358 265 +35.1
Mitsubishi 1,287 1,023 +25.8
Nissan 4,479 4,386 +2.1
Porsche 115 114 +0.9
Saab 87 104 -16.3
Smart 177 10 +1,670.0
Subaru 1,473 1,243 +18.5
Suzuki 934 801 +16.6
Toyota 11,640 11,587 +0.5
Volkswagen 2,840 2,903 -2.2
Volvo 473 454 +4.2
Meanwhile BMW and Infiniti were only slightly down and all the other luxury makes were either up or about the same. Lexus up 19%.
Then we see Nissan, Mazda and Toyota all slightly up.
I get the feeling this market is starting to lose interest in Honda/Acura and this is proving it. The Civic has now lost its monthly sales crown to the Corolla 4 months in a row and is on the verge of losing its yearly sales crown for the first time in 8 Years! Honda failing to adjust prices has hurt them IMO.
12-03-2008, 12:15 PM
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I don't know about other regions, but last time I went to Richmond Acura for service, which wasn't long ago, I only saw a handful of 09 TL's. As for the TSX, they don't have any attractive lease and/or finance programs, unlike other makes.
12-03-2008, 01:27 PM
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^^^ yep it seems like its all about incentives right now and Acura/Honda don't have them like the other makes.
GM/Chrysler cars especially have ridiculous markdowns in my area and I'm figuring those are being sold at a loss. We'll see when the quarter reports are out who actually made money selling cars.
GM/Chrysler cars especially have ridiculous markdowns in my area and I'm figuring those are being sold at a loss. We'll see when the quarter reports are out who actually made money selling cars.
12-03-2008, 01:48 PM
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Incentives by other makers do not explain away the big drop.Odd/ Love it or hate it styling however will come back to hurt the bottom line.
I think that is where Acura is headed....until it bails out of the horrible beak design, acknowledges the design failures, and turns over a new leaf.
12-03-2008, 02:32 PM
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I'm definitely not discounting Acura's lackluster lineup in the 60% drop, but Acura has always been the value luxury brand that's good at everything but generally not great at anything in particular.
A car buyer can usually find one aspect that they really like that's better in some other car than an Acura. And the decision to buy Acura is usually a compromise centered on overall value.
So these incentives from the other manufacturers en masse are hitting Acura right square in the value conscious nuts.
A car buyer can usually find one aspect that they really like that's better in some other car than an Acura. And the decision to buy Acura is usually a compromise centered on overall value.
So these incentives from the other manufacturers en masse are hitting Acura right square in the value conscious nuts.
12-03-2008, 03:08 PM
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If I was in the market now, I'd probably pick the Lexus ES with the new Canadian price reductions and the 3.9% rate for 48 months.
12-03-2008, 03:17 PM
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In the US, the Acura TL used to always outsell the Lexus ES; but now no more, thanks to the new TL front end styling.
12-03-2008, 03:46 PM
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i think there may some truth to that, but i'm not surprised that the new ES is selling so well. it looks good (i know, subjective), it's a lexus (people love lexus), and it's an affordable lexus (even better).
12-03-2008, 05:02 PM
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It's not just the TL's new looks, the ES sells on its own merits (which ones, I'm not sure...I don't particularly like the thing)
12-03-2008, 06:04 PM
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I think it's a combination of reasons:
1.) the front grille
2.) lack of cars
3.) lack of incentive programs
4.) People less willing to buy
5.) Major price cut of Lexus
Lexus Canada didn't have major price cut until early this year (that's what my friend who bought a IS250 last year told me, he bought it in Oct 2007, before the price cut, then later Lexus readjusted the price). I think other brands were doing the same too, but not Acura. The TSX didn't really get a price cut, Acura simply gave a model with less features, and thus a lower price tag. The TL on the other hand did get a slight price cut, but it's not a big one compared to Lexus (IS250 went from $36k to $31k). Also there are not that many 09 TL's to choose from at the dealers, at least that's true with Richmond Acura.
On the other hand, wow, what's up with Nissan..a drop of over 40% in the states.
1.) the front grille
2.) lack of cars
3.) lack of incentive programs
4.) People less willing to buy
5.) Major price cut of Lexus
Lexus Canada didn't have major price cut until early this year (that's what my friend who bought a IS250 last year told me, he bought it in Oct 2007, before the price cut, then later Lexus readjusted the price). I think other brands were doing the same too, but not Acura. The TSX didn't really get a price cut, Acura simply gave a model with less features, and thus a lower price tag. The TL on the other hand did get a slight price cut, but it's not a big one compared to Lexus (IS250 went from $36k to $31k). Also there are not that many 09 TL's to choose from at the dealers, at least that's true with Richmond Acura.
On the other hand, wow, what's up with Nissan..a drop of over 40% in the states.
12-03-2008, 06:23 PM
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I love me some Jody Watley. Did u see the episode of VH1's "I Love the 80s" where Debbie Gibson pulled her face back real tight to stretch her eyes in an effort to show how exotic Watley looked?
Anyhoo, the TL outsold the ES up until around the time the ES350 debuted & the TL was 3 years old. Still not a fan of the ES350 interior & the fact that it suffers from Toyota/Lexus's post 2005 cost-cutting that lead to problems in their newer models.
12-03-2008, 06:41 PM
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<table id="comparechart" width="450" cellspacing="0" height="112"><tbody><tr><th colspan="7">BY THE NUMBERS - November 2008</th> </tr> <tr> <th class="mainth">Brand</th> <th class="mainth">Vol. % Change</th> <th class="mainth">Total Sales 11/08</th> <th class="mainth">Total Sales 11/07</th> <th class="mainth">DSR % Change</th> <th class="mainth">Daily Avg. 11/08</th> <th class="mainth">Daily Avg. 11/07</th> </tr> <tr> <td>Acura
</td> <td class="red">-38.9%</td> <td>7,888</td> <td>12,910</td> <td class="red">-38.9%</td> <td>316</td> <td>516</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Audi</td> <td class="red">-25.4%</td> <td valign="top">6,788</td> <td valign="top">9,104</td> <td class="red">-25.4%</td> <td valign="top">272</td> <td valign="top">364</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">BMW</td> <td class="red">-36% </td> <td valign="top">15,217 </td> <td valign="top">23,808 </td> <td class="red">-36% </td> <td valign="top">609 </td> <td valign="top">952 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Buick</td> <td class="red">-43.3% </td> <td valign="top">7,516 </td> <td valign="top">13,245 </td> <td class="red">-43.3% </td> <td valign="top">301 </td> <td valign="top">530 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Cadillac</td> <td class="red">-48.3% </td> <td valign="top">8,815 </td> <td valign="top">17,041 </td> <td class="red">-48.3% </td> <td valign="top">353 </td> <td valign="top">682 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Chevrolet</td> <td class="red">-36.9% </td> <td valign="top">95,756 </td> <td valign="top">151,642 </td> <td class="red">-36.9% </td> <td valign="top">3,830 </td> <td valign="top">6,066 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Chrysler</td> <td class="red">-56%</td> <td valign="top">20,017</td> <td valign="top">45,510</td> <td class="red">-56%</td> <td valign="top">801</td> <td valign="top">1,820</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Dodge</td> <td class="red">-44.3%</td> <td valign="top">44,941</td> <td valign="top">80,670</td> <td class="red">-44.3%</td> <td valign="top">1,794</td> <td valign="top">3,227</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Ford</td> <td class="red">-30% </td> <td valign="top">103,055 </td> <td valign="top">147,310 </td> <td class="red">-30% </td> <td valign="top">4,122 </td> <td valign="top">5,892 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">GMC</td> <td class="red">-41.5% </td> <td valign="top">20,214 </td> <td valign="top">34,549 </td> <td class="red">-41.5% </td> <td valign="top">809 </td> <td valign="top">1,382 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Honda</td> <td class="red">-30.6% </td> <td valign="top">68,345 </td> <td valign="top">98,521 </td> <td class="red">-30.6% </td> <td valign="top">2,734 </td> <td valign="top">3,941 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">HUMMER</td> <td class="red">-63.9% </td> <td valign="top">1,454 </td> <td valign="top">4,029 </td> <td class="red">-63.9% </td> <td valign="top">58 </td> <td valign="top">161 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Hyundai</td> <td class="red">-39.7% </td> <td valign="top">19,221 </td> <td valign="top">31,883 </td> <td class="red">-39.7% </td> <td valign="top">769 </td> <td valign="top">1,275 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Infiniti</td> <td class="red">-28%</td> <td valign="top">7,631</td> <td valign="top">10,604</td> <td class="red">-28%</td> <td valign="top">305</td> <td valign="top">424</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Jeep</td> <td class="red">-41.8%</td> <td valign="top">20,302</td> <td valign="top">34,908</td> <td class="red">-41.8%</td> <td valign="top">812</td> <td valign="top">1,396</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Kia</td> <td class="red">-37.2% </td> <td valign="top">15,182 </td> <td valign="top">24,177 </td> <td class="red">-37.2% </td> <td valign="top">607 </td> <td valign="top">967 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Lexus</td> <td class="red">-34.7% </td> <td valign="top">16,223 </td> <td valign="top">24,848 </td> <td class="red">-34.7% </td> <td valign="top">649 </td> <td valign="top">994 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Lincoln</td> <td class="red">-8.3% </td> <td valign="top">8,019 </td> <td valign="top">8,744 </td> <td class="red">-8.3% </td> <td valign="top">321 </td> <td valign="top">350 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Mazda</td> <td class="red">-31.3% </td> <td valign="top">14,134 </td> <td valign="top">20,580 </td> <td class="red">-31.3% </td> <td valign="top">565 </td> <td valign="top">823 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Mercedes-Benz</td> <td class="red">-38.2% </td> <td valign="top">14,102 </td> <td valign="top">22,819 </td> <td class="red">-38.2% </td> <td valign="top">564 </td> <td valign="top">913 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Mercury</td> <td class="red">-41.4% </td> <td valign="top">7,744 </td> <td valign="top">13,204 </td> <td class="red">-41.4% </td> <td valign="top">310 </td> <td valign="top">528 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">MINI</td> <td class="green">43% </td> <td valign="top">4,545 </td> <td valign="top">3,177 </td> <td class="green">43% </td> <td valign="top">182 </td> <td valign="top">127 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Mitsubishi</td> <td class="red">-35.4%</td> <td valign="top">5,096</td> <td valign="top">7,893</td> <td class="red">-35.4%</td> <td valign="top">204</td> <td valign="top">316</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Nissan</td> <td class="red">-44.4%</td> <td valign="top">38,974</td> <td valign="top">70,079</td> <td class="red">-44.4%</td> <td valign="top">1,559</td> <td valign="top">2,803</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Pontiac</td> <td class="red">-53.4% </td> <td valign="top">12,140 </td> <td valign="top">20,040 </td> <td class="red">-53.4% </td> <td valign="top">486 </td> <td valign="top">1,042 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Porsche</td> <td class="red">-48.2% </td> <td valign="top">1,378 </td> <td valign="top">2,662 </td> <td class="red">-48.2% </td> <td valign="top">55 </td> <td valign="top">106 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Saab</td> <td class="red">-57.5% </td> <td valign="top">852 </td> <td valign="top">2,003 </td> <td class="red">-57.5% </td> <td valign="top">34 </td> <td valign="top">80 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Saturn</td> <td class="red">-46.2% </td> <td valign="top">8,130 </td> <td valign="top">15,105 </td> <td class="red">-46.2% </td> <td valign="top">325 </td> <td valign="top">604 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Subaru</td> <td class="red">-7.8%</td> <td valign="top">13,706</td> <td valign="top">14,868</td> <td class="red">-7.8%</td> <td valign="top">548</td> <td valign="top">595</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Suzuki</td> <td class="red">N/A </td> <td valign="top">
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Toyota</td> <td class="red">-33.8% </td> <td valign="top">114,084 </td> <td valign="top">172,341 </td> <td class="red">-33.8% </td> <td valign="top">4,563 </td> <td valign="top">6,894 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Volkswagen</td> <td class="red">-19.2% </td> <td valign="top">14,295 </td> <td valign="top">17,689 </td> <td class="red">-19.2% </td> <td valign="top">572 </td> <td valign="top">708 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Volvo</td> <td class="red">-46.5% </td> <td valign="top">4,404 </td> <td valign="top">8,227 </td> <td class="red">-46.5% </td> <td valign="top">176 </td> <td valign="top">329 </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="yellow"> COMPANIES</td> <td class="yellow">
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">BMW Group</td> <td class="red">-26.8%
</td> <td valign="top">19,762
</td> <td valign="top">26,985
</td> <td class="red">-26.8%
</td> <td valign="top">790
</td> <td valign="top">1,079
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Chrysler LLC</td> <td class="red">-47%</td> <td valign="top">85,260</td> <td valign="top">161,088</td> <td class="red">-47%</td> <td valign="top">3,410</td> <td valign="top">6,444</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">FoMoCo</td> <td class="red">-30.6% </td> <td valign="top">123,222 </td> <td valign="top">177,485 </td> <td class="red">-30.6% </td> <td valign="top">4,929 </td> <td valign="top">7,099 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">General Motors</td> <td class="red">-41.3% </td> <td valign="top">154,877 </td> <td valign="top">263,654 </td> <td class="red">-41.3% </td> <td valign="top">6,195</td> <td valign="top">10,546 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Honda America</td> <td class="red">-31.6%
</td> <td valign="top">76,233
</td> <td valign="top">111,431
</td> <td class="red">-31.6%
</td> <td valign="top">3,049
</td> <td valign="top">4,457
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Nissan NA</td> <td class="red">-42.2%</td> <td valign="top">46,605</td> <td valign="top">80,683</td> <td class="red">-42.2%</td> <td valign="top">1,864</td> <td valign="top">3,227</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Toyota Mo Co</td> <td class="red">-33.9%
</td> <td valign="top">130,307 </td> <td valign="top">197,189 </td> <td class="red">-33.9% </td> <td valign="top">5,212 </td> <td valign="top">7,8</td></tr></tbody></table>
</td> <td class="red">-38.9%</td> <td>7,888</td> <td>12,910</td> <td class="red">-38.9%</td> <td>316</td> <td>516</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Audi</td> <td class="red">-25.4%</td> <td valign="top">6,788</td> <td valign="top">9,104</td> <td class="red">-25.4%</td> <td valign="top">272</td> <td valign="top">364</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">BMW</td> <td class="red">-36% </td> <td valign="top">15,217 </td> <td valign="top">23,808 </td> <td class="red">-36% </td> <td valign="top">609 </td> <td valign="top">952 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Buick</td> <td class="red">-43.3% </td> <td valign="top">7,516 </td> <td valign="top">13,245 </td> <td class="red">-43.3% </td> <td valign="top">301 </td> <td valign="top">530 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Cadillac</td> <td class="red">-48.3% </td> <td valign="top">8,815 </td> <td valign="top">17,041 </td> <td class="red">-48.3% </td> <td valign="top">353 </td> <td valign="top">682 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Chevrolet</td> <td class="red">-36.9% </td> <td valign="top">95,756 </td> <td valign="top">151,642 </td> <td class="red">-36.9% </td> <td valign="top">3,830 </td> <td valign="top">6,066 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Chrysler</td> <td class="red">-56%</td> <td valign="top">20,017</td> <td valign="top">45,510</td> <td class="red">-56%</td> <td valign="top">801</td> <td valign="top">1,820</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Dodge</td> <td class="red">-44.3%</td> <td valign="top">44,941</td> <td valign="top">80,670</td> <td class="red">-44.3%</td> <td valign="top">1,794</td> <td valign="top">3,227</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Ford</td> <td class="red">-30% </td> <td valign="top">103,055 </td> <td valign="top">147,310 </td> <td class="red">-30% </td> <td valign="top">4,122 </td> <td valign="top">5,892 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">GMC</td> <td class="red">-41.5% </td> <td valign="top">20,214 </td> <td valign="top">34,549 </td> <td class="red">-41.5% </td> <td valign="top">809 </td> <td valign="top">1,382 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Honda</td> <td class="red">-30.6% </td> <td valign="top">68,345 </td> <td valign="top">98,521 </td> <td class="red">-30.6% </td> <td valign="top">2,734 </td> <td valign="top">3,941 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">HUMMER</td> <td class="red">-63.9% </td> <td valign="top">1,454 </td> <td valign="top">4,029 </td> <td class="red">-63.9% </td> <td valign="top">58 </td> <td valign="top">161 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Hyundai</td> <td class="red">-39.7% </td> <td valign="top">19,221 </td> <td valign="top">31,883 </td> <td class="red">-39.7% </td> <td valign="top">769 </td> <td valign="top">1,275 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Infiniti</td> <td class="red">-28%</td> <td valign="top">7,631</td> <td valign="top">10,604</td> <td class="red">-28%</td> <td valign="top">305</td> <td valign="top">424</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Jeep</td> <td class="red">-41.8%</td> <td valign="top">20,302</td> <td valign="top">34,908</td> <td class="red">-41.8%</td> <td valign="top">812</td> <td valign="top">1,396</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Kia</td> <td class="red">-37.2% </td> <td valign="top">15,182 </td> <td valign="top">24,177 </td> <td class="red">-37.2% </td> <td valign="top">607 </td> <td valign="top">967 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Lexus</td> <td class="red">-34.7% </td> <td valign="top">16,223 </td> <td valign="top">24,848 </td> <td class="red">-34.7% </td> <td valign="top">649 </td> <td valign="top">994 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Lincoln</td> <td class="red">-8.3% </td> <td valign="top">8,019 </td> <td valign="top">8,744 </td> <td class="red">-8.3% </td> <td valign="top">321 </td> <td valign="top">350 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Mazda</td> <td class="red">-31.3% </td> <td valign="top">14,134 </td> <td valign="top">20,580 </td> <td class="red">-31.3% </td> <td valign="top">565 </td> <td valign="top">823 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Mercedes-Benz</td> <td class="red">-38.2% </td> <td valign="top">14,102 </td> <td valign="top">22,819 </td> <td class="red">-38.2% </td> <td valign="top">564 </td> <td valign="top">913 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Mercury</td> <td class="red">-41.4% </td> <td valign="top">7,744 </td> <td valign="top">13,204 </td> <td class="red">-41.4% </td> <td valign="top">310 </td> <td valign="top">528 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">MINI</td> <td class="green">43% </td> <td valign="top">4,545 </td> <td valign="top">3,177 </td> <td class="green">43% </td> <td valign="top">182 </td> <td valign="top">127 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Mitsubishi</td> <td class="red">-35.4%</td> <td valign="top">5,096</td> <td valign="top">7,893</td> <td class="red">-35.4%</td> <td valign="top">204</td> <td valign="top">316</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Nissan</td> <td class="red">-44.4%</td> <td valign="top">38,974</td> <td valign="top">70,079</td> <td class="red">-44.4%</td> <td valign="top">1,559</td> <td valign="top">2,803</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Pontiac</td> <td class="red">-53.4% </td> <td valign="top">12,140 </td> <td valign="top">20,040 </td> <td class="red">-53.4% </td> <td valign="top">486 </td> <td valign="top">1,042 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Porsche</td> <td class="red">-48.2% </td> <td valign="top">1,378 </td> <td valign="top">2,662 </td> <td class="red">-48.2% </td> <td valign="top">55 </td> <td valign="top">106 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Saab</td> <td class="red">-57.5% </td> <td valign="top">852 </td> <td valign="top">2,003 </td> <td class="red">-57.5% </td> <td valign="top">34 </td> <td valign="top">80 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Saturn</td> <td class="red">-46.2% </td> <td valign="top">8,130 </td> <td valign="top">15,105 </td> <td class="red">-46.2% </td> <td valign="top">325 </td> <td valign="top">604 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Subaru</td> <td class="red">-7.8%</td> <td valign="top">13,706</td> <td valign="top">14,868</td> <td class="red">-7.8%</td> <td valign="top">548</td> <td valign="top">595</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Suzuki</td> <td class="red">N/A </td> <td valign="top">
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">BMW Group</td> <td class="red">-26.8%
</td> <td valign="top">19,762
</td> <td valign="top">26,985
</td> <td class="red">-26.8%
</td> <td valign="top">790
</td> <td valign="top">1,079
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Chrysler LLC</td> <td class="red">-47%</td> <td valign="top">85,260</td> <td valign="top">161,088</td> <td class="red">-47%</td> <td valign="top">3,410</td> <td valign="top">6,444</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">FoMoCo</td> <td class="red">-30.6% </td> <td valign="top">123,222 </td> <td valign="top">177,485 </td> <td class="red">-30.6% </td> <td valign="top">4,929 </td> <td valign="top">7,099 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">General Motors</td> <td class="red">-41.3% </td> <td valign="top">154,877 </td> <td valign="top">263,654 </td> <td class="red">-41.3% </td> <td valign="top">6,195</td> <td valign="top">10,546 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Honda America</td> <td class="red">-31.6%
</td> <td valign="top">76,233
</td> <td valign="top">111,431
</td> <td class="red">-31.6%
</td> <td valign="top">3,049
</td> <td valign="top">4,457
</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Nissan NA</td> <td class="red">-42.2%</td> <td valign="top">46,605</td> <td valign="top">80,683</td> <td class="red">-42.2%</td> <td valign="top">1,864</td> <td valign="top">3,227</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Toyota Mo Co</td> <td class="red">-33.9%
</td> <td valign="top">130,307 </td> <td valign="top">197,189 </td> <td class="red">-33.9% </td> <td valign="top">5,212 </td> <td valign="top">7,8</td></tr></tbody></table>
12-03-2008, 07:31 PM
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Lexus Canada didn't have major price cut until early this year (that's what my friend who bought a IS250 last year told me, he bought it in Oct 2007, before the price cut, then later Lexus readjusted the price). I think other brands were doing the same too, but not Acura. The TSX didn't really get a price cut, Acura simply gave a model with less features, and thus a lower price tag. The TL on the other hand did get a slight price cut, but it's not a big one compared to Lexus (IS250 went from $36k to $31k). Also there are not that many 09 TL's to choose from at the dealers, at least that's true with Richmond Acura.
On the other hand, wow, what's up with Nissan..a drop of over 40% in the states.
I recently tried to get my in-laws and brother in law into new Honda's but there were far better deals to be found elsewhere. Only reason I bought an Ody was the 3K cashback.
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