North American Auto Industry Crisis news **Pontiac's Last Day (page 28)**
#762
The sizzle in the Steak
Thread Starter
^^
#763
6G TLX-S
#764
The sizzle in the Steak
Thread Starter
#765
Race Director
http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/30/auto...sler_deadline/
I guess the lenders think they'll get a better deal in court.
Might as well modify the title of the thread - Chrysler in ch 11 bankuptcy
As a result, the New York Times and Wall Street Journal, both citing people familiar with the discussions, said Chrysler was expected to file for Chapter 11 protection later in the day.
The reports said several hedge funds and other lenders rejected Treasury's sweetened offer of $2.25 billion for forgiving $6.9 billion of Chrysler's debt.
The reports said several hedge funds and other lenders rejected Treasury's sweetened offer of $2.25 billion for forgiving $6.9 billion of Chrysler's debt.
Might as well modify the title of the thread - Chrysler in ch 11 bankuptcy
#766
6G TLX-S
http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/30/auto...sler_deadline/
I guess the lenders think they'll get a better deal in court.
Might as well modify the title of the thread - Chrysler in ch 11 bankuptcy
I guess the lenders think they'll get a better deal in court.
Might as well modify the title of the thread - Chrysler in ch 11 bankuptcy
#767
Someday, an RS6 Avant+
I don't doubt this. I thin they just might be willing to try and get what would be left after Ch. 11.
#769
Administrator Alumnus
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...Fb0&refer=home
Chrysler Said to File for Bankruptcy in New York Imminently
By Mike Ramsey and Roger Runningen
April 30 (Bloomberg) -- Chrysler LLC will file for bankruptcy in New York and get as much as $3.5 billion in operating loans from the U.S. government while it finishes an agreement to align with Italian automaker Fiat SpA, an official with President Barack Obama’s administration said today.
Chrysler will be in bankruptcy for one to two months and GMAC LLC will become its new finance arm with a fresh infusion of capital from the government, the official said. The Auburn Hills, Michigan-based automaker will receive $4.5 billion in exit financing, the official said.
Chrysler’s bankruptcy filing will be made imminently and the court process will be used to extinguish some contracts and to thin the company’s dealership body, the official said. Payments to auto parts makers and other contractors will continue to be made.
There will be no immediate plant closures or job cuts as a result of the bankruptcy filing. Chrysler will be sold to a new company created by the government using a provision of Chapter 11 of the U.S. bankruptcy code. The Canadian government will contribute a portion of the funding for Chrysler’s so-called debtor-in-possession financing.
Chrysler will name a new board of directors, the official said. As part of the agreement Fiat will make engines and cars in the U.S., the official said.
To contact the reporter on this story: Roger Runningen in Washington at rrunningen@bloomberg.net; Mike Ramsey at mramsey6@bloomberg.net; Editors: Jim Kirk, Joe Sobczyk
Chrysler Said to File for Bankruptcy in New York Imminently
By Mike Ramsey and Roger Runningen
April 30 (Bloomberg) -- Chrysler LLC will file for bankruptcy in New York and get as much as $3.5 billion in operating loans from the U.S. government while it finishes an agreement to align with Italian automaker Fiat SpA, an official with President Barack Obama’s administration said today.
Chrysler will be in bankruptcy for one to two months and GMAC LLC will become its new finance arm with a fresh infusion of capital from the government, the official said. The Auburn Hills, Michigan-based automaker will receive $4.5 billion in exit financing, the official said.
Chrysler’s bankruptcy filing will be made imminently and the court process will be used to extinguish some contracts and to thin the company’s dealership body, the official said. Payments to auto parts makers and other contractors will continue to be made.
There will be no immediate plant closures or job cuts as a result of the bankruptcy filing. Chrysler will be sold to a new company created by the government using a provision of Chapter 11 of the U.S. bankruptcy code. The Canadian government will contribute a portion of the funding for Chrysler’s so-called debtor-in-possession financing.
Chrysler will name a new board of directors, the official said. As part of the agreement Fiat will make engines and cars in the U.S., the official said.
To contact the reporter on this story: Roger Runningen in Washington at rrunningen@bloomberg.net; Mike Ramsey at mramsey6@bloomberg.net; Editors: Jim Kirk, Joe Sobczyk
#771
Race Director
#773
Three Wheelin'
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In addition, the United Auto Workers union announced late Wednesday night that its membership at Chrysler had overwhelmingly ratified a concession contract reached between the company and union leadership on Sunday night.
As a result of that deal, the UAW will own 55% of Chrysler. Fiat will own a 20% stake with the option of increasing it to 35%. The U.S. government will own 8% and Canada will have a 2% stake.
The union issued a statement Thursday afternoon saying it supported the bankruptcy process and the combination of the company with Fiat. It said it would ask the bankruptcy court to quickly approve the merger of the two companies as well as the new labor agreement
As a result of that deal, the UAW will own 55% of Chrysler. Fiat will own a 20% stake with the option of increasing it to 35%. The U.S. government will own 8% and Canada will have a 2% stake.
The union issued a statement Thursday afternoon saying it supported the bankruptcy process and the combination of the company with Fiat. It said it would ask the bankruptcy court to quickly approve the merger of the two companies as well as the new labor agreement
The union wants to run Crapsler now? I can imagine the irony when they realize what their union contracts actually bring to the business
#774
The sizzle in the Steak
Thread Starter
#775
Moderator Alumnus
#776
Like right now! So I applied for that federal mortgage program...rejected. Apparently it's only for the deadbeats who bit off more than they could chew, not the law-abiding, tax-paying homeowner who made mortgage payments on time and is now also suffering because of the economy (I work in sales).
#777
http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/30/news...ex.htm?cnn=yes
The union wants to run Crapsler now? I can imagine the irony when they realize what their union contracts actually bring to the business
The union wants to run Crapsler now? I can imagine the irony when they realize what their union contracts actually bring to the business
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/the...rding-to-fiat/
Management of Chrysler will be done by Fiat in "cooperation" with the government. I'm guessing that Sergio Marchionne will become CEO of Chrysler ala Carlos Ghosn.
Ah well, anything that brings Alfa back to the states is good, right? I'm dreaming of a MiTo or Brera
#778
Race Director
It will be interesting to see how much of an "extra" hit to sales this will represent for Chrysler. Things could get interesting if the bondholders get their way in court and this thing is not resolved quickly.
...and this is only chapter 1, wait till this happens to GM.
...and this is only chapter 1, wait till this happens to GM.
#779
Someday, an RS6 Avant+
Does this mean that Chrysler will stop making mono-form plastic dashboards? And stop using old minivan HVAC controls in the Viper?
#780
Race Director
Nothing will change with design for some time. I assume everyone at Chrysler design will stay put - the only thing that may change is the designs that get through management might be different now that new folks will be in charge. Also, some Fiat flare might come into designs but you won't see any of that for several years.
#781
I feel the need...
Chrysler Needs ‘Three Near-Miracles’ to Rival Iacocca
“There have to be three near- miracles” for a partnership with Fiat SpA to succeed in rescuing Chrysler LLC, says Dennis DesRosiers, an auto consultant in Richmond Hill, Ontario.
“First, Americans have to embrace small cars,” he says. “They never have.” Neither have they bought Italian small cars in any volume; nor have small cars been profitable for any auto company in North America that wasn’t Japanese, says DesRosiers, a market research consultant for 24 years.
That kind of challenge is nothing new for a company born 84 years ago in Walter P. Chrysler’s reorganization of the Maxwell Motor Co. The bankruptcy filing yesterday by the Auburn Hills, Michigan-based automaker is the company’s fourth near-death experience since 1979. President Jimmy Carter’s $1.5 billion government loan guarantee that year helped Lee Iacocca avert failure and turn himself into a Detroit icon.....
“First, Americans have to embrace small cars,” he says. “They never have.” Neither have they bought Italian small cars in any volume; nor have small cars been profitable for any auto company in North America that wasn’t Japanese, says DesRosiers, a market research consultant for 24 years.
That kind of challenge is nothing new for a company born 84 years ago in Walter P. Chrysler’s reorganization of the Maxwell Motor Co. The bankruptcy filing yesterday by the Auburn Hills, Michigan-based automaker is the company’s fourth near-death experience since 1979. President Jimmy Carter’s $1.5 billion government loan guarantee that year helped Lee Iacocca avert failure and turn himself into a Detroit icon.....
#782
Race Director
Who missed the dissolution of Plymouth? I didn't even notice.
Chrysler could be next and it won't make much of a difference. People will keep buying cars - it's just the badge that will change.
Biker, who is rambling on a Monday morning cause there's not much news.
Chrysler could be next and it won't make much of a difference. People will keep buying cars - it's just the badge that will change.
Biker, who is rambling on a Monday morning cause there's not much news.
#783
I feel the need...
GM Bankruptcy Probable as Obama Favors UAW Against Bondholders
By Jeff Green and Caroline Salas
May 4 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp. may be more likely
to end up in bankruptcy based on the Obama administration’s
willingness to place Chrysler LLC into court protection to
safeguard union health-care benefits.
With GM and its biggest bondholders at odds over resolving
$27 billion in unsecured claims by a June 1 deadline, the
Chrysler model indicates that President Barack Obama may resort
to bankruptcy to end any impasse over that debt, said Martin
Fridson, chief executive officer of New York-based credit
investment firm Fridson Investment Advisors.
Chrysler filed for protection April 30 after the U.S. was
unable to persuade secured lenders to swap $6.9 billion in
claims for $2.25 billion in cash. A union retiree health-care
trust was offered a 55 percent stake in Chrysler.
“This confirms the fear, which right along has been that
the Obama administration is more sensitive or beholden to the
unions than the bondholders,” he said. “It makes it clear that
GM bondholders aren’t likely to be able to work out anything
outside of bankruptcy.”
GM bondholders proposed April 30 they get a 58 percent
ownership stake in the Detroit-based automaker in exchange for
their $27 billion in unsecured claims. Bondholders are objecting
to GM’s proposal they get a 10 percent share of GM equity while
a union health fund would get $10 billion in cash and as much as
a 39 percent stake for their $20 billion in unsecured claims.
Renee Rashid-Merem, a GM spokeswoman, Roger Kerson, a UAW
spokesman, and Jenni Engebretsen, a Treasury spokeswoman,
declined to comment on the matter. A spokesman for the
bondholders could not be reached immediately.
Dry Run for GM
GM said last week it must cut $44 billion in obligations
from its books, including $10 billion of loans from the U.S.
government, to return to an operating profit next year and win
permission from the Obama administration to keep $15.4 billion
in loans and win $11.6 billion more.
“There’s no question Chrysler” acts as a dry run for GM,
said Sean Egan, president of Egan-Jones Ratings Co. in
Haverford, Pennsylvania. “It was designed that way because
Chrysler is a much more manageable entity. The impact on the
economy, on employment, is a microcosm of what is likely to
happen with GM.”
GM’s $3 billion of 8.375 percent bonds maturing in July
2033 fell to a record low of 8.3 cents on the dollar April 30,
down from 21 cents at the beginning of this year, according to
Trace, the bond-price reporting system of the Financial Industry
Regulatory Authority. The debt traded May 1 at 8.6 cents to
yield about 95 percent.
Competing Concepts
GM proposed that bondholders exchange 225 shares of stock
for each $1,000 of principal. At least 90 percent must accept
the offer to shed enough debt for the automaker’s plan to work.
In the counterproposal by the ad hoc committee of GM
bondholders, they would get 58 percent of the stock in a
reorganized GM, with 41 percent going to a union health-care
trust and the last 1 percent to existing shareholders.
The committee had been in contact with about 100
institutions representing $12 billion in GM debt including San
Mateo, California-based Franklin Resources Inc. and Loomis
Sayles & Co. of Boston, a person familiar with the negotiations
has said.
Even if there is appetite for an agreement, it’s unlikely
the thousands of GM bondholders can be pulled together in time,
said John Casesa, managing partner at New York-based consulting
firm Casesa Shapiro Group.
“The Chrysler bankruptcy can either scare them into
settling or maybe make them more likely to take GM into
bankruptcy,” Casesa said. “I don’t get the sense that the
bondholders are ready to give in.”
Government Role
Obama’s auto task force ousted Chief Executive Officer Rick
Wagoner at the end of March, saying GM’s plan to return to
profit wasn’t aggressive enough, and ordered new CEO Fritz
Henderson to cut the automaker’s debt by more than initially
demanded.
The U.S., which would hold at least half the equity in a
reorganized GM in the automaker’s proposal, also ordered acting
Chairman Kent Kresa to replace the majority of the GM directors
as soon as possible.
“Obama has said the government doesn’t want to run a car
company, so why not take the bondholders’ deal, which gets them
out of ownership?” said Pete Hastings, a fixed-income analyst
at Morgan Keegan & Co. in Memphis, Tennessee. “The 10 percent
ownership offer is ridiculous, so their best shot is to try and
win in court.”
‘Labor’s Interest’
The bondholders shouldn’t be surprised that the unions are
getting preference over investors in an Obama administration,
Egan said.
“If the government is providing money to these entities,
they’re going to be looking out for labor’s interest first and
foremost,” he said.
“ You may claim it’s unfair, but that’s the political
reality and the time and cost of suing the federal government is
prohibitive in most cases.”
The government was more likely to get its way in Chrysler
because a majority of lenders were already supportive of the
U.S. offer for their debt, said Mirko Mikelic, who helps manage
$19 billion at Fifth Third Asset Management in Grand Rapids,
Michigan. Mikelic dumped GM debt last year and still manages
some debt in GMAC LLC, the automaker’s former finance unit.
There seems to be little likelihood of a similar majority
agreement at GM, he said.
The longer the GM bondholders have held out, the worse the
offers have gotten, according to Egan.
“You’re better off acting early,” he said.
For Related News and Information:
GM stories by Bloomberg: GM US <EQUITY> CN BN <GO>
U.S. auto industry: NI AUT <GO>
Autos and U.S. economy: TNI AUT USECO <GO>
U.S. auto bailout: STNI AUTOBAILOUT <GO>
U.S. auto sales chart: SAARTOTL <Index> GP <GO
May 4 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp. may be more likely
to end up in bankruptcy based on the Obama administration’s
willingness to place Chrysler LLC into court protection to
safeguard union health-care benefits.
With GM and its biggest bondholders at odds over resolving
$27 billion in unsecured claims by a June 1 deadline, the
Chrysler model indicates that President Barack Obama may resort
to bankruptcy to end any impasse over that debt, said Martin
Fridson, chief executive officer of New York-based credit
investment firm Fridson Investment Advisors.
Chrysler filed for protection April 30 after the U.S. was
unable to persuade secured lenders to swap $6.9 billion in
claims for $2.25 billion in cash. A union retiree health-care
trust was offered a 55 percent stake in Chrysler.
“This confirms the fear, which right along has been that
the Obama administration is more sensitive or beholden to the
unions than the bondholders,” he said. “It makes it clear that
GM bondholders aren’t likely to be able to work out anything
outside of bankruptcy.”
GM bondholders proposed April 30 they get a 58 percent
ownership stake in the Detroit-based automaker in exchange for
their $27 billion in unsecured claims. Bondholders are objecting
to GM’s proposal they get a 10 percent share of GM equity while
a union health fund would get $10 billion in cash and as much as
a 39 percent stake for their $20 billion in unsecured claims.
Renee Rashid-Merem, a GM spokeswoman, Roger Kerson, a UAW
spokesman, and Jenni Engebretsen, a Treasury spokeswoman,
declined to comment on the matter. A spokesman for the
bondholders could not be reached immediately.
Dry Run for GM
GM said last week it must cut $44 billion in obligations
from its books, including $10 billion of loans from the U.S.
government, to return to an operating profit next year and win
permission from the Obama administration to keep $15.4 billion
in loans and win $11.6 billion more.
“There’s no question Chrysler” acts as a dry run for GM,
said Sean Egan, president of Egan-Jones Ratings Co. in
Haverford, Pennsylvania. “It was designed that way because
Chrysler is a much more manageable entity. The impact on the
economy, on employment, is a microcosm of what is likely to
happen with GM.”
GM’s $3 billion of 8.375 percent bonds maturing in July
2033 fell to a record low of 8.3 cents on the dollar April 30,
down from 21 cents at the beginning of this year, according to
Trace, the bond-price reporting system of the Financial Industry
Regulatory Authority. The debt traded May 1 at 8.6 cents to
yield about 95 percent.
Competing Concepts
GM proposed that bondholders exchange 225 shares of stock
for each $1,000 of principal. At least 90 percent must accept
the offer to shed enough debt for the automaker’s plan to work.
In the counterproposal by the ad hoc committee of GM
bondholders, they would get 58 percent of the stock in a
reorganized GM, with 41 percent going to a union health-care
trust and the last 1 percent to existing shareholders.
The committee had been in contact with about 100
institutions representing $12 billion in GM debt including San
Mateo, California-based Franklin Resources Inc. and Loomis
Sayles & Co. of Boston, a person familiar with the negotiations
has said.
Even if there is appetite for an agreement, it’s unlikely
the thousands of GM bondholders can be pulled together in time,
said John Casesa, managing partner at New York-based consulting
firm Casesa Shapiro Group.
“The Chrysler bankruptcy can either scare them into
settling or maybe make them more likely to take GM into
bankruptcy,” Casesa said. “I don’t get the sense that the
bondholders are ready to give in.”
Government Role
Obama’s auto task force ousted Chief Executive Officer Rick
Wagoner at the end of March, saying GM’s plan to return to
profit wasn’t aggressive enough, and ordered new CEO Fritz
Henderson to cut the automaker’s debt by more than initially
demanded.
The U.S., which would hold at least half the equity in a
reorganized GM in the automaker’s proposal, also ordered acting
Chairman Kent Kresa to replace the majority of the GM directors
as soon as possible.
“Obama has said the government doesn’t want to run a car
company, so why not take the bondholders’ deal, which gets them
out of ownership?” said Pete Hastings, a fixed-income analyst
at Morgan Keegan & Co. in Memphis, Tennessee. “The 10 percent
ownership offer is ridiculous, so their best shot is to try and
win in court.”
‘Labor’s Interest’
The bondholders shouldn’t be surprised that the unions are
getting preference over investors in an Obama administration,
Egan said.
“If the government is providing money to these entities,
they’re going to be looking out for labor’s interest first and
foremost,” he said.
“ You may claim it’s unfair, but that’s the political
reality and the time and cost of suing the federal government is
prohibitive in most cases.”
The government was more likely to get its way in Chrysler
because a majority of lenders were already supportive of the
U.S. offer for their debt, said Mirko Mikelic, who helps manage
$19 billion at Fifth Third Asset Management in Grand Rapids,
Michigan. Mikelic dumped GM debt last year and still manages
some debt in GMAC LLC, the automaker’s former finance unit.
There seems to be little likelihood of a similar majority
agreement at GM, he said.
The longer the GM bondholders have held out, the worse the
offers have gotten, according to Egan.
“You’re better off acting early,” he said.
For Related News and Information:
GM stories by Bloomberg: GM US <EQUITY> CN BN <GO>
U.S. auto industry: NI AUT <GO>
Autos and U.S. economy: TNI AUT USECO <GO>
U.S. auto bailout: STNI AUTOBAILOUT <GO>
U.S. auto sales chart: SAARTOTL <Index> GP <GO
#785
The sizzle in the Steak
Thread Starter
This is what happens when the Union gets their guy into office.
#786
Administrator Alumnus
And Fibi's article is a perfect lead-in for this... Some lenders are none too happy about the proposed BK structure.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...VR0&refer=home
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...VR0&refer=home
May 4 (Bloomberg) -- A group of Chrysler LLC’s secured lenders is seeking to block the bankrupt company’s plan to sell its business at auction this month, arguing that the U.S. government is violating federal law to preserve the automaker.
#787
Administrator Alumnus
The bitch of it is... Many of the bondholders got TARP money from the U.S. government, so for those entities to go against the government in terms of a bailout structure would be a huge risk. Sucks for them.
#788
The sizzle in the Steak
Thread Starter
^^ some might argue it was "engineered" this way.
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Report: Chrysler unlikely to repay $8.5 billion in government loans
http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-c...ent-loans.html
No surprise here.
Report: Chrysler unlikely to repay $8.5 billion in government loans
The U.S. and Canadian governments have combined to loan Chrysler $4.5 billion in debtor-in-possession financing during its bankruptcy, but neither country will likely be repaid for the loans. Additionally, Chrysler will be off the hook for the $4 billion it received from the U.S. government in January.
Ron Manzo, one of Chrysler’s senior financial advisors, revealed to The Detroit News that it is “highly likely” neither government will receive repayment from Chrysler on the loans. Moreover, Chrysler is not required to pay any interest on the $4.5 billion loan. About $3.34 billion of that loan belongs to the U.S. Treasury Department and ultimately U.S. taxpayers.
A source familiar with the situation also revealed to The Detroit News that Chrysler likely won’t repay a $4 billion loan issued by the Treasure back in January.
Despite having $8.5 billion in limbo, the United States and Canada plans to loan Chrysler another $6 billion when it exits bankruptcy. However, both governments will prohibit Fiat from taking a majority stake in Chrysler until all loans are repaid.
The U.S. and Canadian governments have combined to loan Chrysler $4.5 billion in debtor-in-possession financing during its bankruptcy, but neither country will likely be repaid for the loans. Additionally, Chrysler will be off the hook for the $4 billion it received from the U.S. government in January.
Ron Manzo, one of Chrysler’s senior financial advisors, revealed to The Detroit News that it is “highly likely” neither government will receive repayment from Chrysler on the loans. Moreover, Chrysler is not required to pay any interest on the $4.5 billion loan. About $3.34 billion of that loan belongs to the U.S. Treasury Department and ultimately U.S. taxpayers.
A source familiar with the situation also revealed to The Detroit News that Chrysler likely won’t repay a $4 billion loan issued by the Treasure back in January.
Despite having $8.5 billion in limbo, the United States and Canada plans to loan Chrysler another $6 billion when it exits bankruptcy. However, both governments will prohibit Fiat from taking a majority stake in Chrysler until all loans are repaid.
#791
sigh. Did anyone seriously think they'd actually be able to repay their loans? That's a huge amount and they've hardly come out with any new cars.
#792
BWUAHAHAHAHA can this admin get any dumber? Like really? Ya don't say, there's no way they were ever going to repay that? /politics
#794
The sizzle in the Steak
Thread Starter
^^ GM is going to get a gov't helped BK too.
#795
Senior Moderator
Um, DUH, Chrysler is tanking fast, of course it won't be able to repay $8.5 bln NOW, that article is simply a rewrite of the obvious.
I wonder what happens to the Fiat deal now?
Also, as far as permanent factory closings not happening, that is BS as well, the Twinsburg factory here in the Cleveland area is permanently shutting down in 2010, according to this deal.
As for GM.....same $hit, different day. I think they have a better chance of surviving than Chrysler, but I don't imagine they will be able to pay back their $16 bln or whatever it is anytime soon.
As much as I'm an Obama supporter, I figured this was going to happen (not being able to pay back loans soon) and don't like being stuck with the bill as a high-tax bracket taxpayer. Both automakers are going to end up dead or nationalized. Not a good outcome for either....
I wonder what happens to the Fiat deal now?
Also, as far as permanent factory closings not happening, that is BS as well, the Twinsburg factory here in the Cleveland area is permanently shutting down in 2010, according to this deal.
As for GM.....same $hit, different day. I think they have a better chance of surviving than Chrysler, but I don't imagine they will be able to pay back their $16 bln or whatever it is anytime soon.
As much as I'm an Obama supporter, I figured this was going to happen (not being able to pay back loans soon) and don't like being stuck with the bill as a high-tax bracket taxpayer. Both automakers are going to end up dead or nationalized. Not a good outcome for either....
#797
Race Director
Folks just didn't realize how telling Obama's comment to Joe the Plumber really was : "You gotta spread the wealth" and "We're going to return the wealth to their rightful owners".
#798
I feel the need...
Chrysler’s Greedy Hedge Fund Holdouts Get It Right
You can call the plan to merge Chrysler and Fiat good for the economy. You can think it creative.
You can say it’s the start of “a vibrant new company,” as Chrysler LLC Chairman Robert Nardelli did last week.
But there’s one word that you can’t call the Chrysler bankruptcy package: legal.
The plan would overturn basic rules of bankruptcy by setting up a sort-of sale to sidestep pesky legal requirements. It would bulldoze well-established rights of secured creditors, property rights the U.S. Constitution guarantees.
So if U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Arthur Gonzalez follows the law, the Chrysler rescue plan dies. If he blinks and approves it, secured creditors everywhere should feel a shiver of unease, and quick sales of insolvent companies to avoid court scrutiny would multiply.
The other option is a settlement, and that might well be where this is headed.
I hate to say it, but the dissident Chrysler lenders are right, the ones President Barack Obama described as greedy hedge funds selfishly blocking Chrysler’s survival.
The president’s fist-waving looks a lot like the posturing lawyers use to scare an adversary into surrender, never mind the law. In fact, several are giving up the cause.....
You can say it’s the start of “a vibrant new company,” as Chrysler LLC Chairman Robert Nardelli did last week.
But there’s one word that you can’t call the Chrysler bankruptcy package: legal.
The plan would overturn basic rules of bankruptcy by setting up a sort-of sale to sidestep pesky legal requirements. It would bulldoze well-established rights of secured creditors, property rights the U.S. Constitution guarantees.
So if U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Arthur Gonzalez follows the law, the Chrysler rescue plan dies. If he blinks and approves it, secured creditors everywhere should feel a shiver of unease, and quick sales of insolvent companies to avoid court scrutiny would multiply.
The other option is a settlement, and that might well be where this is headed.
I hate to say it, but the dissident Chrysler lenders are right, the ones President Barack Obama described as greedy hedge funds selfishly blocking Chrysler’s survival.
The president’s fist-waving looks a lot like the posturing lawyers use to scare an adversary into surrender, never mind the law. In fact, several are giving up the cause.....
Was tempted to post this in the Obamanomics thread, but suppose it will have a wider audience here. Our nation is built on the rule of law, and when an administration subverts the rule of law to satisfy favored constituents and politicizes what should be a clear following of bankruptcy code - this is truly an astounding step into autocracy.
#799
Burning Brakes
Except that under Obama's rules (which they seem to be making up as they go) the employees and UAW are getting ahead of even the secured creditors.
Folks just didn't realize how telling Obama's comment to Joe the Plumber really was : "You gotta spread the wealth" and "We're going to return the wealth to their rightful owners".
Folks just didn't realize how telling Obama's comment to Joe the Plumber really was : "You gotta spread the wealth" and "We're going to return the wealth to their rightful owners".
Last edited by brizey; 05-06-2009 at 10:16 PM.
#800
I feel the need...
Even the secured creditors have an understanding that they may lose their investment, but there is no understanding that an employee will lose previously earned wages and benefits. I think employees previously earned benefits such as retirement entitlements should come before secured creditors. Allowing investors (i.e. secured creditors) take money away from employees that earned it undermines business culture.
So you're saying that the US Gov't should pay for Social Security and Medicare payments before paying US Treasury obligations? You may want to break that news to the Chinamen and every creditor who needs to purchase the $3 Trillion plus in treasury issuance this year - they may not agree with you.
And sorry to say, your opinion is not dispositive to current bankruptcy law. If you undermine the rule of law to satisfy a favored constituency, you are tearing down the walls of capitalism which made our country a great power. Chavez would love your interpretation of the law.