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Old 10-04-2005, 04:21 PM
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Because no one else really is right now.
Even still...a bad move IMHO
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I drove around in the murano with CVT.

Its feels weird. I kept waiting for the shift pause / hesitation.
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sorry to say but, driving a CVT car is one of the most boring experiences in the world.

to Nissan on this move.
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Are CVTs worse than traditional automatics?
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Are CVTs worse than traditional automatics?
Not sure what you mean? Worse in terms of power/performance loss, worse reliablity wise....
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Memo to Nissan: Do NOT put CVT in the Z.
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Originally Posted by mantis23
I drove around in the murano with CVT.

Its feels weird. I kept waiting for the shift pause / hesitation.
I'm still getting used to mine.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Not sure what you mean? Worse in terms of power/performance loss, worse reliablity wise....
What I meant by that question was why is everyone hating on the CVT? What's worse about it than a traditional auto.
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Originally Posted by SeCsTaC
What I meant by that question was why is everyone hating on the CVT? What's worse about it than a traditional auto.
as far as the driving experience goes, the car does really "shift" it just revs high and stays there when u nail it, so there's none of the joy of hearing the engine rip through the rev range again and again.

Basically, the engine revs high, and then since there are infinite transmission ratios in a CVT, the transmission varies the ratios. I belive it does this by changin the distance between 2 pulleys.

Their reliability is also questional, and my personal mechanic and nissan tech, said that they've been getting a lotta complaints about em, and that they are a bitch to work on.

I think a CVT application in a luxo car might have more appeal. I seem remember something about recallling that the Lexus RX400h (hybrid) has a CVT and when u accelerate normally, it holds the revs low, and the vehicle smoothly accelerates despite no increase in revs. Eerily smooth. Sucks the passion outta driving, but since when has a lexus suv been a driver's car.
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they are supposed to improve mileage, right?
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they are supposed to improve mileage, right?
Yes, I think. I thought that was the great appeal of CVTs... added mileage and a smoother shift.
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Originally Posted by Loseit
they are supposed to improve mileage, right?
Allegedly. My Murano's sticker posts 20 city/24 hwy. However, the mpg has ranged between 16.8-17.1 mpg no matter how I drive.

And personally, I think CVT hurts the acceleration. The engine seems willing (like my 02 Maxima) but the CVT (along with a VERY restrictive exhaust) seems to bog it down.
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In theory, the CVT is the perfect transmission: you can either stay at the peak power engine RPM for maximum acceleration, or stay at the lowest efficient RPM for economy, or anywhere in between depending on throttle position/transmission program. However, in practice, CVTs are unreliable and make for a disconnected driving experience.

I'd take one over a 4-speed AT any day though. I hate it when you are ascending a hill with cruise control on and they decide to downshift to 2nd. In the future I think you will see all sporty cars equipped with a sequential manual transmission or a real manual, and luxury cars/trucks with CVTs.

M-B's 7AT feels almost like a CVT.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
Allegedly. My Murano's sticker posts 20 city/24 hwy. However, the mpg has ranged between 16.8-17.1 mpg no matter how I drive.

And personally, I think CVT hurts the acceleration. The engine seems willing (like my 02 Maxima) but the CVT (along with a VERY restrictive exhaust) seems to bog it down.
Mine average 20 mpg when I drive, and 23 when teh wifey drives. For comparison, my CL averages 21.5 when I drive. So I am pretty impressed with the gas mileage I get out of the Murano (SE, FWD).

Reliability wise, I have yet to hear anything about a wide-spread tranny failure that leads to any recall or anything (knock on wood), unlike some other car I currently own...
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Maybe I should have purchased the FWD instead of the RWD.
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I've got a 2003 Murano SL AWD with over 36,000 miles and to date have had no issues with the CVT. I'm currently getting 20 mpg and I tend to be an aggresive driver. I really love my Murano, but I'm always a little nervous when my vehicle is out of warranty. I still consider myself an Acura/Honda guy, but I may buy another Murano if Acura doesn't hit the mark with the RDX. This means at least 250 hp, SH-AWD and a great audio system.
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Originally Posted by tktommy
I've got a 2003 Murano SL AWD with over 36,000 miles and to date have had no issues with the CVT. I'm currently getting 20 mpg and I tend to be an aggresive driver. I really love my Murano, but I'm always a little nervous when my vehicle is out of warranty. I still consider myself an Acura/Honda guy, but I may buy another Murano if Acura doesn't hit the mark with the RDX. This means at least 250 hp, SH-AWD and a great audio system.
Did your Mo's mpg get better after your first oil change/breakin or was it alway around 20mpg?
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My milage used to average about 19 mpg until I got new tires. I put some Nokian all season tires and my gas mileage went up to 20 mpg. I drive primarily in the suburbs of Chicago.
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Nissan moves to Nashville **To lose 20% of top managers (page 1)**

Hope its not a repost.

Saw it on the news tonight. Nissan is moving its headquarters from So Cal to Nashville.
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Official release

Nissan Relocates Its North American Headquarters [Nov. 10, 05]

NASHVILLE, TENN. (Nov. 10, 2005) – Nissan North America, Inc. (NNA), will relocate its Los Angeles headquarters functions and employees to an all-new facility in the greater Nashville area. The move is expected to provide strategic, long-term operational benefits and to support NNA’s ongoing efforts to create synergies and improve performance.

The project was announced today at the Tennessee State Capitol by Nissan President and CEO Carlos Ghosn, who was joined by Tennessee Governor Phil Bredesen and United States Senators Bill Frist and Lamar Alexander.

“Nissan constantly seeks ways to create value and improve performance. When we examined the long-term operational benefits of relocation and the possibilities for realizing greater operational synergies, the business decision made sense,” said Mr. Ghosn. “This decision complements the NISSAN Value-Up business plan, which focuses on our company’s worldwide, profitable growth.”

Nissan currently employs about 1,300 people on its headquarters campus in Gardena, Calif., about 15 miles south of Los Angeles. Corporate functions managed from that site include, among others, sales, marketing, product planning, corporate planning, communications and training. Nissan operations at the Gardena facility began in 1960.

Locating its headquarters in Franklin, 15 miles southwest of Nashville, will allow much closer collaboration with Nissan’s manufacturing, purchasing, product quality and supply chain management functions based 30 minutes away in Smyrna, Tenn., where the company has a $2.1 billion vehicle assembly plant and 6,700 employees. Another 1,300 employees work at the powertrain assembly plant in Decherd, Tenn.

The relocation decision was welcomed by Tennessee Governor Phil Bredesen.

"Nissan's decision in 1980 to manufacture vehicles in Tennessee was a watershed moment for our state," he said. "The auto industry today employs more than 125,000 Tennesseans working for over 1,000 companies pumping more than $3.5 billion dollars in wages into the state annually. Today's announcement is another historic step forward in the relationship between Nissan and Tennessee."

Citing reasons behind the relocation decision, Mr. Ghosn mentioned the lower costs of doing business in Tennessee; the favorable business and taxation climate that exists in the state; the potential to improve operational efficiencies among its North American functions; and Tennessee’s central location. For employees, the relocation is expected to create more operational synergies and nurture employees’ creativity and innovation. By bringing California headquarters and manufacturing functions closer together, there is a potential for higher levels of cross-functional involvement and better communication.

Plans for the new headquarters facility are not yet finalized, but the capital investment is expected to be $70 million. The building will be designed to accommodate the current headquarters campus, future new hires, and some employees now working in other Nissan facilities in North America. Construction of the new building is expected to begin in 2006, and the facility would be completed in 2008. California-based employees will begin to move to Tennessee in mid-June 2006 and will work in temporary facilities in the Bell South building in downtown Nashville until the headquarters is completed.

Nissan has significantly expanded and enhanced its global operations since March 1999, when the Renault-Nissan Alliance was formed. In North America, a new vehicle assembly plant was built in Canton, Miss.; manufacturing facilities in Smyrna and Decherd, Tenn., have been expanded; additional vehicle design studios have been established in California and Michigan; and Nissan’s North American research and engineering center in Michigan has completed a major expansion.
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That sucks, one less good company that could be a potential employer someday. It must be a big cost savings for Nissan because Tennesse sucks really bad! Stupid California government for making it so expensive for CA business to do business here.
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California showed them the door. California is a very difficult place to do business.
Regulations & taxes are insane compared to Tenn.
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Poor employees. All those people will be relocated from salad lunches to BBQ sandwiches.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
California showed them the door. California is a very difficult place to do business.
Regulations & taxes are insane compared to Tenn.
Lots of businesses are moving out... My dad is thinking about it too but we'll see.
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Old 11-11-2005, 01:56 PM
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Lots of businesses are moving out... My dad is thinking about it too but we'll see.
Sad, but true. Why operate your business in Cali, when you can operate it cheaper in AZ or NV right next door?
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The Nissan employees there feel absolutely responsible for the turnaround at that company....they had some very intelligent and savvy employees, as evidenced by the turnaround. Honda and Toyota in torrance (and maybe Hyundai in Costa Mesa) will probably be able to pick up some of the cream of the crop from this new pool of employees.
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Originally Posted by F-C
Poor employees. All those people will be relocated from salad lunches to BBQ sandwiches.
LMAO
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
California showed them the door. California is a very difficult place to do business.
Regulations & taxes are insane compared to Tenn.
Yeah. And sadly, it's not just Cali. I live in Louisiana, and they're terrible to business. We lost the Nissan plant in Mississippi because they're package was better. And look at Alabama. I'm sure it's a big plus for Nissan. Congrats to Tennessee.
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The Nissan employees there feel absolutely responsible for the turnaround at that company....they had some very intelligent and savvy employees, as evidenced by the turnaround. Honda and Toyota in torrance (and maybe Hyundai in Costa Mesa) will probably be able to pick up some of the cream of the crop from this new pool of employees.

The employees can feel whatever they want, but imo the turnaround was due to a mastermind, the employees just followed his grand plan - puppets so to speak.
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Poor employees. All those people will be relocated from salad lunches to BBQ sandwiches.
hmmmm.....i'd rather the bbq sandwiches

but i think this would b a good move for nissan....btw, hasn't Nissan been building the alty and maxima in tenn?
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there are a ton of auto pants within 2 hours driving nashville, its bizzare
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Poor employees. All those people will be relocated from salad lunches to BBQ sandwiches.

Carlos just building street cred to sell more Titans to southern hillbilly's...
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That sucks, one less good company that could be a potential employer someday. It must be a big cost savings for Nissan because Tennesse sucks really bad! Stupid California government for making it so expensive for CA business to do business here.


Gimme a break. Have you ever been to TN? TN is attracting major companies left and right to Nashville, we love our govenor, no income tax, housing is 100 per sq ft, no pollution, no overcrowding of schools, minimal violence,etc. We elect government officials with PHD's, not actors. But TN is the state that sucks really bad???

We only have 3 major auto plans within 1 hour from downtown......Saturn, Nissan, and Corvette. TN is not as bad as TV makes it seem. Nashville is actually a great place. When I moved here, I hated it. I wanted to leave within a year. Well, it has been 7 years now and no plans on leaving anytime soon. The cost to do business in TN is almost half what it is in Cali.
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One more interesting point.....The Corporate HQ employs approx 1,300 people. They said around 300 would transfer and hire a new 1000. This was two fold. The first part was some people wanted to stay in the Cal market. The other part was based on management talent in the middle TN region. The execs want to tap some of this talent and bring it into their organization. They plan to recruit from Saturn, HCA, Cracker Barrell, Dell, etc.
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The employees can feel whatever they want, but imo the turnaround was due to a mastermind, the employees just followed his grand plan - puppets so to speak.
That entirely misses the point of my post. If you are interested, please read Peter Drucker's (RIP) thoughts modern management to see if the most successful companies still think their employees as "puppets" (especially those at corporate headquarters such as Nissans). Empowerment and synergism are words that come to mind.

To reiterate, Honda, Toyota, and possibly Hyundai, will have their pick of an employee crop that wants to stay in Cali. 1000 are staying, 300 are going? 1000 people sure know alot about Nissan, and as in any industry, secrets arent really secret between coworkers and former coworkers. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out as Cali is a more fertile ground and a more dynamic environment for a corporate headquarters to be located than Tennesee.
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Gimme a break. Have you ever been to TN? TN is attracting major companies left and right to Nashville, we love our govenor, no income tax, housing is 100 per sq ft, no pollution, no overcrowding of schools, minimal violence,etc. We elect government officials with PHD's, not actors. But TN is the state that sucks really bad???

We only have 3 major auto plans within 1 hour from downtown......Saturn, Nissan, and Corvette. TN is not as bad as TV makes it seem. Nashville is actually a great place. When I moved here, I hated it. I wanted to leave within a year. Well, it has been 7 years now and no plans on leaving anytime soon. The cost to do business in TN is almost half what it is in Cali.
Yes I have in fact. I used to work in the automotive industry and spent a couple weeks in one (of the many) shit towns between Nashville and Memphis while doing some work at one of the plants for an automotive supplier.

Im not discounting any of your points above because they may all be valid...they just aren't that important to me. I care about the true quality of life I can see and feel: THE best weather; beaches; mountains; great cities; great food; diversity; intelligent, open-minded, goodlooking people; nice cars; money; etc.

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The area south of Nashville where they will be moving to is said to be quite nice. They already have a Nissan AND an Infiniti dealer too (no, not every state is like California with dozens upon dozens of Acura/Infiniti/Lexus dealers).

Nissan has been building cars in Smyrna, Tennessee since the early 1980s.

It's really too bad that Michigan seems inable or unwilling to attract serious new automotive-related investment. Detroit needs it, to counteract all the failing firms.
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Cool Nissan develops self-healing paint...

Whoa...that's really cool!

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NISSAN DEVELOPS WORLD'S FIRST CLEAR PAINT THAT REPAIRS SCRATCHES ON CAR SURFACES

TOKYO (Dec. 2, 2005)-- Nissan Motor Co., Ltd., has developed the world’s first clear paint that repairs scratches on painted car surfaces, including scratches from car-washing machines, off-road driving and fingernails.

“Scratch Guard Coat” contains a newly developed high elastic resin that helps prevent scratches from affecting the inner layers of a car’s painted surface. With “Scratch Guard Coat” a car’s scratched surface will return to its original state anywhere from one day to a week, depending on temperature and the depth of the scratch.

The water-repellant paint also has a higher resistance to scratches compared with conventional clear paints. A vehicle painted with “Scratch Guard Coat” will have only one-fifth the abrasions caused by a car-washing machine compared with a car covered with conventional clear paint. Scratches from car-washing machines account for the majority of scratches to painted car surfaces.

“Scratch Guard Coat” is effective for about three years.

“Scratch Guard Coat” will be applied for the first time on an SUV model that is scheduled for a partial makeover in the near future. The paint will be applied to the car’s chassis, bumpers, door mirrors, among other parts.




Car painted with “Scratch Guard Coat”



http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/NEWS...1202-01-e.html
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I want some of that on my car...!
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