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#11
Originally Posted by xizor
I think both, the coupe looks decent for a batchback.
#17
WTF where are the signature MB headlights. I really like that styling and was glad when they went back to it in the 90's. Don't tell me they're going back to a mix of some ars have it some don't. Makes me wonder if this is a photochop? The Rendevouz/5series headlights suck but the grill looks great. Interior looks typical MB except for the steering wheel which I would have to see a close-up on.
I think the back end of the sedan looks like a bad miniturization of the E sedan which I love from front to back.
Hatchback doesn't look enough like a MB from the front so why buy it? IN the US the hatch only sells to badge chasers who won't be interested unless their car is immediately recognizable as a status symbol. I mean has anyone ever seriously bought a MB hatch for the value or performance???? when they could get a TSX?
I think the back end of the sedan looks like a bad miniturization of the E sedan which I love from front to back.
Hatchback doesn't look enough like a MB from the front so why buy it? IN the US the hatch only sells to badge chasers who won't be interested unless their car is immediately recognizable as a status symbol. I mean has anyone ever seriously bought a MB hatch for the value or performance???? when they could get a TSX?
#18
Originally Posted by 98AccordEx
IN the US the hatch only sells to badge chasers who won't be interested unless their car is immediately recognizable as a status symbol. I mean has anyone ever seriously bought a MB hatch for the value or performance???? when they could get a TSX?
#21
Hatchback doesn't look enough like a MB from the front so why buy it? IN the US the hatch only sells to badge chasers who won't be interested unless their car is immediately recognizable as a status symbol. I mean has anyone ever seriously bought a MB hatch for the value or performance???? when they could get a TSX?[/QUOTE]
Ignorant generalizations like this really annoys me. I own a C230 hatchback. I bought it because I like hatchbacks ( I have to carry stuff) and missed my old VW Corado.
The car can be bought for a reasonable price, has an engine with more torq and quieter than the TSX, has excellent safety (8 airbags), rear wheel drive, can be had for about the same as a TSX with options that almost equal the TSX, and has a nice solid German feel. I owned my Corado for 8 years (200,000 miles) and loved it (was also very reliable) and would have bought another one if VW offered it. I am sure there are people who are "badge chasers" but the C230 is a decent car that does appeal to some people. My wife owns a TSX which I also like, and I talked her into getting it. I guess I got tired of "badge chasing".
Ignorant generalizations like this really annoys me. I own a C230 hatchback. I bought it because I like hatchbacks ( I have to carry stuff) and missed my old VW Corado.
The car can be bought for a reasonable price, has an engine with more torq and quieter than the TSX, has excellent safety (8 airbags), rear wheel drive, can be had for about the same as a TSX with options that almost equal the TSX, and has a nice solid German feel. I owned my Corado for 8 years (200,000 miles) and loved it (was also very reliable) and would have bought another one if VW offered it. I am sure there are people who are "badge chasers" but the C230 is a decent car that does appeal to some people. My wife owns a TSX which I also like, and I talked her into getting it. I guess I got tired of "badge chasing".
#22
Johns, there are always exceptions to the rule, but every person I see driving a C230 around here in SoCal is trying to hard to look like they have money. Could just be a California thing though.
#23
Originally Posted by 98AccordEX
Hatchback doesn't look enough like a MB from the front so why buy it? IN the US the hatch only sells to badge chasers who won't be interested unless their car is immediately recognizable as a status symbol. I mean has anyone ever seriously bought a MB hatch for the value or performance???? when they could get a TSX?
The car can be bought for a reasonable price, has an engine with more torq and quieter than the TSX, has excellent safety (8 airbags), rear wheel drive, can be had for about the same as a TSX with options that almost equal the TSX, and has a nice solid German feel. I owned my Corado for 8 years (200,000 miles) and loved it (was also very reliable) and would have bought another one if VW offered it. I am sure there are people who are "badge chasers" but the C230 is a decent car that does appeal to some people. My wife owns a TSX which I also like, and I talked her into getting it. I guess I got tired of "badge chasing".[/QUOTE=Johns]
First off the VW you had was a Corrado with 2 r's. If you had it for 8 years you should have known that. ( I rarely snap back but the word 'ignorant' beckoned a smart-ass reply). Secondly, you must be the luckiest person on earth to have driven a Corrado or any VW for 200,000 reliable miles(do a search for VW on this site and any link will have dozens of complaints/testimonials from former VW owners). Thirdly, if you value reliabiity why buy MB's cheapest car when they're more expensive models have been slipping over the past few years. Eight air bags, very nice styling, german road feel are strong selling points but if you needed utility (hatch) there are better choices the 230 is a small car.
And finally, my 'ignorant observation' was based on observing life on Long Island where the MB hatch trully is a badge chaser for 90+% of its owners. Usually it's bought a 'cheap???' and safe car to match the other MB's in the driveway. I'm glad if it suits you and your life. If thats true then then who gives a sh*t what I just wrote, be happy with both your cars. Ultimately it's just a car to get you and your stuff safely from point A to point B and hopefully provide a little enjoyment along the way. :-))
#24
[QUOTE=98AccordEx]
Yes you are correct about the Corrado spelling (typing fast and not thinking is a bad combination). I know I was lucky with the Corrado. Reliability concerns are the reason I talked my wife into buying the TSX. Our TSX has every every rattle listed on this site, warped front rotors, and a seized front caliper, all fixed under warrenty. It's still a great car and I have confidence in it. I would love to hear some of the other choices I missed (not including the Golf, they are nice cars, but even smaller than the C230 or the RSX because I did not like the interior and the fact that you really had to rev the hell out of the engine to decent performance). At the time I was looking for a car I didn't see many other choices but I may have missed something.
As a side note, my C230 has just under 30,000 miles and has been perfect.
One more thing. Are people who own BMW 3 series, Audi A4s, Lexus I300s, and Acura TSXs also badge chasers to some degree?
Originally Posted by Johns
Ignorant generalizations like this really annoys me. I own a C230 hatchback. I bought it because I like hatchbacks ( I have to carry stuff) and missed my old VW Corado.
The car can be bought for a reasonable price, has an engine with more torq and quieter than the TSX, has excellent safety (8 airbags), rear wheel drive, can be had for about the same as a TSX with options that almost equal the TSX, and has a nice solid German feel. I owned my Corado for 8 years (200,000 miles) and loved it (was also very reliable) and would have bought another one if VW offered it. I am sure there are people who are "badge chasers" but the C230 is a decent car that does appeal to some people. My wife owns a TSX which I also like, and I talked her into getting it. I guess I got tired of "badge chasing".[/QUOTE=Johns]
First off the VW you had was a Corrado with 2 r's. If you had it for 8 years you should have known that. ( I rarely snap back but the word 'ignorant' beckoned a smart-ass reply). Secondly, you must be the luckiest person on earth to have driven a Corrado or any VW for 200,000 reliable miles(do a search for VW on this site and any link will have dozens of complaints/testimonials from former VW owners). Thirdly, if you value reliabiity why buy MB's cheapest car when they're more expensive models have been slipping over the past few years. Eight air bags, very nice styling, german road feel are strong selling points but if you needed utility (hatch) there are better choices the 230 is a small car.
And finally, my 'ignorant observation' was based on observing life on Long Island where the MB hatch trully is a badge chaser for 90+% of its owners. Usually it's bought a 'cheap???' and safe car to match the other MB's in the driveway. I'm glad if it suits you and your life. If thats true then then who gives a sh*t what I just wrote, be happy with both your cars. Ultimately it's just a car to get you and your stuff safely from point A to point B and hopefully provide a little enjoyment along the way. :-))
The car can be bought for a reasonable price, has an engine with more torq and quieter than the TSX, has excellent safety (8 airbags), rear wheel drive, can be had for about the same as a TSX with options that almost equal the TSX, and has a nice solid German feel. I owned my Corado for 8 years (200,000 miles) and loved it (was also very reliable) and would have bought another one if VW offered it. I am sure there are people who are "badge chasers" but the C230 is a decent car that does appeal to some people. My wife owns a TSX which I also like, and I talked her into getting it. I guess I got tired of "badge chasing".[/QUOTE=Johns]
First off the VW you had was a Corrado with 2 r's. If you had it for 8 years you should have known that. ( I rarely snap back but the word 'ignorant' beckoned a smart-ass reply). Secondly, you must be the luckiest person on earth to have driven a Corrado or any VW for 200,000 reliable miles(do a search for VW on this site and any link will have dozens of complaints/testimonials from former VW owners). Thirdly, if you value reliabiity why buy MB's cheapest car when they're more expensive models have been slipping over the past few years. Eight air bags, very nice styling, german road feel are strong selling points but if you needed utility (hatch) there are better choices the 230 is a small car.
And finally, my 'ignorant observation' was based on observing life on Long Island where the MB hatch trully is a badge chaser for 90+% of its owners. Usually it's bought a 'cheap???' and safe car to match the other MB's in the driveway. I'm glad if it suits you and your life. If thats true then then who gives a sh*t what I just wrote, be happy with both your cars. Ultimately it's just a car to get you and your stuff safely from point A to point B and hopefully provide a little enjoyment along the way. :-))
As a side note, my C230 has just under 30,000 miles and has been perfect.
One more thing. Are people who own BMW 3 series, Audi A4s, Lexus I300s, and Acura TSXs also badge chasers to some degree?
#25
Originally Posted by Johns
Yes you are correct about the Corrado spelling (typing fast and not thinking is a bad combination). I know I was lucky with the Corrado. Reliability concerns are the reason I talked my wife into buying the TSX. Our TSX has every every rattle listed on this site, warped front rotors, and a seized front caliper, all fixed under warrenty. It's still a great car and I have confidence in it. I would love to hear some of the other choices I missed (not including the Golf, they are nice cars, but even smaller than the C230 or the RSX because I did not like the interior and the fact that you really had to rev the hell out of the engine to decent performance). At the time I was looking for a car I didn't see many other choices but I may have missed something.
As a side note, my C230 has just under 30,000 miles and has been perfect.
One more thing. Are people who own BMW 3 series, Audi A4s, Lexus I300s, and Acura TSXs also badge chasers to some degree?
As a side note, my C230 has just under 30,000 miles and has been perfect.
One more thing. Are people who own BMW 3 series, Audi A4s, Lexus I300s, and Acura TSXs also badge chasers to some degree?
Of course, theses are generalizations. There are always exceptions. There are going to be badge chasers with any premium brand. However, I can honestly say that BMW 3-series owners (particularly those who own the 323/325) tend to be the biggest assholes ever.
#26
Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Acura is not by any means a badge for people to chase. Most people don't consider it luxury enough. BMW is mostly badge chasers with a strong contingent of true enthusiasts in there somewhere. Audi is more along the lines of Acura. And Lexus IS300 owners, at least those that I've met, tend to be the most ignorant badge chasers of the bunch aside from the BMW owners.
Of course, theses are generalizations. There are always exceptions. There are going to be badge chasers with any premium brand. However, I can honestly say that BMW 3-series owners (particularly those who own the 323/325) tend to be the biggest assholes ever.
Of course, theses are generalizations. There are always exceptions. There are going to be badge chasers with any premium brand. However, I can honestly say that BMW 3-series owners (particularly those who own the 323/325) tend to be the biggest assholes ever.
#29
Originally Posted by biker
Now if they only offered an MT.
The C230, C320 Sport, and all sportcoupes come standard with a short-throw 6-speed manual transmission. (in the states, that is)
#30
The whole point behind entry level cars is to get yonger less affluent buyers into the showrooms were as time goes on and income increases they will move into other models with in the company. To that end the C-class coupe succeeds and fails. It fails most likely due to being a hatch. If offered as a coupe then who knows. As a sedan it would have caused problems. For the money it is a nice car. It is more of a lux ride then the 318ti which went it's own way in terms of features. At least M-B was smart enough to give buyers some of the C sedan's features.
To that end the RSX has it's ups and downs. Rumors have it that the car will die after this generation. Why, well it is not a lux car. It is nice and all but does it really move people towards other Acura's? The TSX is/was needed as Acura saw fit to move the TL slightly up market. Acura needed something to replace the TL in the under 30K price range. An RSX sedan would not have fit the bill. So we have the JDM Accord. The point behind the TSX is to offer a more affordable car that will move Honda owners into Acura showrooms. Once there they can move into other Acura models. The TSX is a good beginner car.
I may have bought one if I were not so use to certain features of my TL and the fact the the TSX just felt small to me.
I could have bought a C-class coupe but I'm just not a hatch person. I do love the over sized sunroof though.
To that end the RSX has it's ups and downs. Rumors have it that the car will die after this generation. Why, well it is not a lux car. It is nice and all but does it really move people towards other Acura's? The TSX is/was needed as Acura saw fit to move the TL slightly up market. Acura needed something to replace the TL in the under 30K price range. An RSX sedan would not have fit the bill. So we have the JDM Accord. The point behind the TSX is to offer a more affordable car that will move Honda owners into Acura showrooms. Once there they can move into other Acura models. The TSX is a good beginner car.
I may have bought one if I were not so use to certain features of my TL and the fact the the TSX just felt small to me.
I could have bought a C-class coupe but I'm just not a hatch person. I do love the over sized sunroof though.
#31
Originally Posted by SPUDMTN
They do
The C230, C320 Sport, and all sportcoupes come standard with a short-throw 6-speed manual transmission. (in the states, that is)
The C230, C320 Sport, and all sportcoupes come standard with a short-throw 6-speed manual transmission. (in the states, that is)
M-B did have MT's on 300E 2.6 and 3.0 models but too few people bought them. So the rest is history.
Even Lexus had MT's on the ES as an option. The SC 300 had one. Too few buyers and I guess too few benz owners complaining.
#32
Originally Posted by Precision Crafted
M-B did have MT's on 300E 2.6 and 3.0 models but too few people bought them. So the rest is history...
I would like the idea of having a short-wheelbase S600 with a 6 or 7 speed manual.
#33
I thought only the low end C230 had the MT but I see that the C320 has it as well. I looked up the specs on it and was amazed to see the C320 is over 3400lbs!!! - a car the size of a Civic (which weighs about 2700lbs) It seems like all of the compact German sedans are really heavy compared to any other sedan in the compact class. Actually most German compacts weigh more than domestic and Japanese mid-sized sedans. I guess the penalty to pay if you want your doors to have that solid vault like feeling.
#34
Originally Posted by biker
I thought only the low end C230 had the MT but I see that the C320 has it as well. I looked up the specs on it and was amazed to see the C320 is over 3400lbs!!! - a car the size of a Civic (which weighs about 2700lbs) It seems like all of the compact German sedans are really heavy compared to any other sedan in the compact class. Actually most German compacts weigh more than domestic and Japanese mid-sized sedans. I guess the penalty to pay if you want your doors to have that solid vault like feeling.
Most all car companies have entry level cars (they can't sell every model for the same price) so I am not sure why people make a big deal about that. I can afford a car that cost more, but I would rather spend my money elsewhere. Same reason that my wife and I own the TSX. Also, sad to say, to get a Mercedes that feels as good in the handling department as the C230K, requires you to go considerable far up the food chain. The regular C240s feel like nice Accords in the handling dept.
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