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Old 02-02-2013, 01:19 AM
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^^^^^

To be exact, the 2G and 3G TL's were the best selling Acura sedans ever @ ~6K units per month.
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
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To be exact, the 2G and 3G TL's were the best selling Acura sedans ever @ ~6K units per month.
right. feel the difference.
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ILX was again the top selling Acura sedan in January with sales of 1,558 units
Poor Acura. They think the ILX with sales of 1,558 is something to be proud of. Seems good on the surface until you look at what sedan sales were like in Jan. 2012 when there was no ILX and compare them to Jan. 2013 sales #s

Jan. 2012 vs Jan. 2013

TL = 2,283 vs 1,497
TSX = 2,266 vs 1,326

.... or if you look at what prior ILX sales #s were like

Dec. 2012 - 2,485
Nov. 2012 - 2,108
Oct. 2012 - 1,529
Sep. 2012 - 1,737
Aug. 2012 - 1,733
Jul.. 2012 - 1,410
Jun. 2012 - 1,081
May 2012 - 168
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Things look pretty dismal for the Acura sedan lineup.
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
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How well/bad is the Camry doing - North America's best selling family sedan ?
Up 490 units in the U.S., down 110 units in Canada for January over December. Maintained sales very well compared to many others.
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Indeed it does (again) look as though Acura SUVs are keeping the brand afloat.
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Automakers should party like it's … 2012. Sales kicked off the new year at the same pace as they ended the last, with figures from the top seven largest automakers up a combined 15.6% versus January 2012. Ford and Toyota led the way with gains of 20% or better, but Nissan and Hyundai-Kia both saw a roughly flat month. None of the 6 automakers saw a sales decrease, however.

Ford's banner month shifted the top 10 best-sellers. The Focus compact dropped from the list, but the Fusion sedan and Escape SUV reprised their standings; both were absent in December 2012. Despite 2 recalls following its launch early last fall, the redesigned Fusion shot up 64.5%, and this came with lighter incentives than the outgoing Fusion a year ago. The redesigned Honda Accord — winner of our recent Cars.com $26,000 Midsize Family Sedan Showdown — picked up even better speed, packing on 75.2% to stay 1,525 cars ahead of the Fusion. Keep an eye out: That race could end the year in a photo finish.

J.P. Morgan analyst Ryan Brinkman pegged sales right around December's annualized rate, Automotive News reports, meaning January would tie for the 2nd best sales month since February 2008. Shoppers kept buying despite fewer deals. Total dealer and automaker discounts now combine for $5,223, according to CNW Marketing Research. That's down more than $500 versus January 2012, and combined with rising MSRPs, it's driven the average new car to $32,163 in January — up 6.6% versus a year ago.
Pickup trucks had a strong month, with GM's Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra twins up more than 30% apiece. Both trucks have 2014 redesigns, but year-over-year incentives are up as much as $2,000 on the Silverado. Truck shoppers clamored for Ram pickups (up 14.3%) and Ford's F-Series (up 21.7%), too. Panelists at December 2012’s Society of Automotive Analysts conference in Detroit predicted this, tying pickup truck sales to accelerating housing starts — which in December hit their highest annualized levels since June 2008. How much are the 2 correlated? Try about 95%, Citi analyst Itay Michaeli said.
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still amazes me how many trucks we sell
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Hmmm.... looks like Nissan is stagnating. -4.0% for monthly and YTD change vs 2012.
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No matter how good the Japanese auto makers are, they can't never put even a small dent in the North American truck market which is dominated solely by the domestic auto makers.
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Things look pretty dismal for the Acura sedan lineup.
3 out of 4 will be replaced soon....and the other 1 will most likely get updated very soon as well...as planned a year ago.
Old 02-04-2013, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
Indeed it does (again) look as though Acura SUVs are keeping the brand afloat.
Goes to show that car buyers don't look to Acura for luxury or performance when it comes to sedans.

Acura really needs a COMPLETE reset when it comes to their line-up.

Their SUV lineup keeps them afloat, but considering how much competition there is with new designs, and the new MDX is essentially a very minor evolution in design, Acura will more than likely see erosion in MDX sales as well.
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I'm going to reserve judgment on the 3G MDX and give Acura the benefit of the doubt. Their execution of the 2G RDX was well done. So, I'll hold out hope that the 3G MDX will be well executed.

As the owner of a 12 Tech coming from an 09 base, the only other SUVs in this segment I would have considered are the X5, Cayenne and ML....all of which typically cost more than the MDX OTD.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
I'm going to reserve judgment on the 3G MDX and give Acura the benefit of the doubt. Their execution of the 2G RDX was well done. So, I'll hold out hope that the 3G MDX will be well executed.

As the owner of a 12 Tech coming from an 09 base, the only other SUVs in this segment I would have considered are the X5, Cayenne and ML....all of which typically cost more than the MDX OTD.
Not a good comparo.

The RDX was a complete redesign from exterior to powertrain.
The original RDX was goofy looking, the new one is vanilla...which works for its segment.

The new MDX pretty much looks the same: a minor evolution.
Meanwhile in its class there are so many new designs and options by other makes. The MDX will become a long in tooth design rather quickly.

Acura is making the "civic" mistake again with the MDX. Resting on their laurels again.
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I agree with F23A4 here. While the 2012 Civic went backward (according to most of you and the press) vs the 2011 model with no real upgrades, I'm not sure if the same can be said with the 3G MDX.

The RDX wasn't too successful in sales, that's why a major revision was needed.

The 2G MDX, has been a major success. It's perfectly sized, has competitive power and fuel economy, and a long list of features. It also has one of the best AWD systems in the market that not only improves bad weather traction, it actually also enhances overall handling and performance.

If you are talking about the overall vehicle design of the current MDX, I really don't see a need for a major overhaul. I think it makes sense to improve on the successful formula - mpg, standard features, SH-AWD system, NVH, ride comfort, ergonomics, and space efficiency.

Last time Acura did a major revision, it was the 4G TL. We all know what happened there. The 3G TL was a huge success. People questioned Acura's approach to the 4G TL. Why mess around with such a good design? I think Acura had learned their lesson there.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
The RDX wasn't too successful in sales, that's why a major revision was needed.

The 2G MDX, has been a major success. It's perfectly sized, has competitive power and fuel economy, and a long list of features. It also has one of the best AWD systems in the market that not only improves bad weather traction, it actually also enhances overall handling and performance.

If you are talking about the overall vehicle design of the current MDX, I really don't see a need for a major overhaul. I think it makes sense to improve on the successful formula - mpg, standard features, SH-AWD system, NVH, ride comfort, ergonomics, and space efficiency.

Swap out the words "MDX "for "civic", and you basically have the talking points of the foolish Honda people who thought there was no need to change the Civic.

OOPS!

We all know how badly that turned out.

Resting on your laurels is for suckers.
Honda/Acura need to throw away the Ford/GM play book from the 80's and 90's.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Swap out the words "MDX "for "civic", and you basically have the talking points of the foolish Honda people who thought there was no need to change the Civic.

OOPS!

We all know how badly that turned out.

Resting on your laurels is for suckers.
Honda/Acura need to throw away the Ford/GM play book from the 80's and 90's.


cough...yeahwhateveryousay...cough

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^^ Looks like a civic to me.

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Originally Posted by iforyou
I agree with F23A4 here. While the 2012 Civic went backward (according to most of you and the press) vs the 2011 model with no real upgrades, I'm not sure if the same can be said with the 3G MDX.

The RDX wasn't too successful in sales, that's why a major revision was needed.

The 2G MDX, has been a major success. It's perfectly sized, has competitive power and fuel economy, and a long list of features. It also has one of the best AWD systems in the market that not only improves bad weather traction, it actually also enhances overall handling and performance.

If you are talking about the overall vehicle design of the current MDX, I really don't see a need for a major overhaul. I think it makes sense to improve on the successful formula - mpg, standard features, SH-AWD system, NVH, ride comfort, ergonomics, and space efficiency.

Last time Acura did a major revision, it was the 4G TL. We all know what happened there. The 3G TL was a huge success. People questioned Acura's approach to the 4G TL. Why mess around with such a good design? I think Acura had learned their lesson there.

I agree, I think Honda/Acura learned some painful lessons recently and played it safe with the 4G CRV and from what we can see so far perhaps the 3G MDX as well. Both are big sellers for Honda/Acura but at the same time it was also good to see a clean sheet approach for the 9G Accord. Another thing to consider is how out of order the Pilot and MDX series are now. I wonder how much of the new MDX is using the 2G Pilot chassis?

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I agree, I think Honda/Acura learned some painful lessons recently and played it safe with the 4G CRV and from what we can see so far perhaps the 3G MDX as well. Both are big sellers for Honda/Acura but at the same time it was also good to see a clean sheet approach for the 9G Accord. Another thing to consider is how out of order the Pilot and MDX series are now. I wonder how much of the new MDX is using the 2G Pilot chassis?

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+2. Comparing the 2012 Civic to the 3G MDX is just a desperate attempt for attention and relevance.

The 3rd gen MDX is an evolutionary redesign, just like the 1st and 2nd gen X5, ML, and Cayenne. I guess if we are going to just refer to exterior design, then those manufacturers were resting on their laurels as well. I have no problem with evolutionary designs. After all, it is what the can-do-no-wrong Europeans do and nobody has expressed their concerns there in the past

The 2012 Civic was trashed because aside for have an exterior design that didn't change much (which wasn't what any of the major publications even complained about), but for having an interior that went backwards in quality, a suspension that was harsher and less refined without offering improved handling, more road noise, no significantly new technology in the interior, and a power/drivetrain that was outdated before it even debuted. It would be silly to think that after the about-face Honda did with the updated 2013 Civic that they would risk making the same mistake with Acura's best selling and probably most profitable product.

Just from the information we were given about the MDX concept at Detroit, it's safe to say that the 3rd gen will continue to be one of the top selling SUV's in its class.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Swap out the words "MDX "for "civic", and you basically have the talking points of the foolish Honda people who thought there was no need to change the Civic.

OOPS!

We all know how badly that turned out.

Resting on your laurels is for suckers.
Honda/Acura need to throw away the Ford/GM play book from the 80's and 90's.
Honda Civic still competitiv product for 2012. the sales did not fall despit bad publicity.
MDX is major improvement as it has new DI engine. which Civic didnot got. MDX is going to be more spacious with longer wheel base. Civic didnot got longer wheel base. MDX also getting LED lights. more upgraded telemetics. MDX is pretty safe bet.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Swap out the words "MDX "for "civic", and you basically have the talking points of the foolish Honda people who thought there was no need to change the Civic.

OOPS!

We all know how badly that turned out.

Resting on your laurels is for suckers.
Honda/Acura need to throw away the Ford/GM play book from the 80's and 90's.
I see where you are coming from. I agree that when you swap out the words MDX and Civic, that statement from me would still make sense (minus the SH-AWD stuff).

However, according to most, the 2012 Civic also went backward with a lot of things. It's not as fun to drive, it's interior feels cheap, looks cheap, and is indeed cheaply made. I'd say the 2013 Civic is still an evolutionary design compared to the 2011 model, I don't think many people have much to complain about regarding the 2013 Civic. The 2013 Civic IMO is the actual 8g replacement.

You could be right about the 3G MDX, if Honda decides to cheapen the interior, makes it less sporty, delete the black interior trim, add just a few more features, etc. However, judging from the faster Nurburgring lap time, the added features found in the press release, the LED headlights, I don't think Honda will pull another 2012 Civic on the MDX.

Originally Posted by Legend2TL
I agree, I think Honda/Acura learned some painful lessons recently and played it safe with the 4G CRV and from what we can see so far perhaps the 3G MDX as well. Both are big sellers for Honda/Acura but at the same time it was also good to see a clean sheet approach for the 9G Accord. Another thing to consider is how out of order the Pilot and MDX series are now. I wonder how much of the new MDX is using the 2G Pilot chassis?

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Yeah. I mean, if Acura goes nuts on the 3G MDX, and then it doesn't sell like the 4G TL, what would people say by then?
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
^^ Looks like a civic to me.

But you said "Resting on your laurels is for suckers.
Honda/Acura need to throw away the Ford/GM play book from the 80's and 90's."

and the new Accord came out after the Civic.


Totally agree on the 9G Civic, alot more could have and should have been done but the 9G Accord and 4G CRV prove Honda can still produce class leading vehicles.

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Redesigned 2013 Honda Accord Leads the Pack in February Sales; Acura's Newest Products Continue to Advance Brand Growth

Steady February sales help Honda maintain a 4.4-percent year-to-date sales climb


03/01/2013 - TORRANCE, Calif.


American Honda today reported February 2013 U.S. sales of 107,987 units, overcoming winter's worst to post a decrease of only 2.0 percent compared with February 2012 (an increase of 2.1 percent based on the Daily Selling Rate (DSR*)), and enabling year-to-date sales to remain up over 2012. Reflecting Honda's unique focus on retail sales, and real demand for top-rated products such as Accord, the Honda brand posted February 2013 sales of 96,623 units, a decrease of 2.3 percent compared with February 2012 (an increase of 1.8 percent based on the DSR). Acura U.S. February sales of 11,364 units increased 0.9 percent compared with February 2012 (an increase of 5.1 percent based on the DSR).

Honda
  • Strong sales of the all-new Accord continue, up 35.2 percent from last February with sales of 27,999 units
  • The redesigned 2013 Crosstour sees second month of double-digit sales growth, up 15.3 percent from last February
  • Pilot sales are up 8.3 percent compared with last February, with sales of 9,614 units

"It took a big winter storm in the Northeast to slow us down a bit, but our robust sales over the last three weeks show that our strong retail momentum continues," said John Mendel, executive vice president of Sales at American Honda. "With Accord posting strong numbers and spring just around the corner, the best is yet to come."

Acura
  • RDX sets its tenth-consecutive monthly sales record, up 177.6 percent from last February with sales of 2,795 units
  • MDX remains the top selling Acura model in February, with sales of 2,946 units
  • TL was the top selling Acura sedan in February with sales of 2,216 units, ILX sales continue to trend up with sales of 1,997

"Acura's latest products continue to shine with ILX gaining traction and RDX sales up 177 percent," said Jeff Conrad, vice president of Acura Sales. "With the all-new 2014 RLX flagship sedan launching in a few weeks and the MDX Prototype creating favorable buzz, spring 2013 is shaping up as a banner season for Acura."

*The daily selling rate (DSR) is calculated with 24 days for February 2013 and 25 days for February 2012. Year-to-date, the DSR is calculated with 49 days for 2012 and 49 days for 2011. All other percentages in release are unadjusted; see table for adjusted DSR figures.
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ILX and TSX still eating into each others sales.


ILX sales vs TSX sales and combined sales #s:

Feb. 2013 - 1,997 vs 1,358 = 3,355
Jan. 2013 - 1,558 vs 1,326 = 2,884
Dec. 2012 - 2,485 vs 2,142 = 4,627
Nov. 2012 - 2,108 vs 1,768 = 3,876
Oct. 2012 - 1,529 vs 1,577 = 3,106
Sep. 2012 - 1,737 vs 1,681 = 3,418
Aug. 2012 - 1,733 vs 2,103 = 3,836
Jul.. 2012 - 1,410 vs 1,980 = 3,390
Jun. 2012 - 1,081 vs 2,602 = 3,683
May 2012 - 00168 vs 2,880 = 3,048

TSX sales before ILX came out:

Apr. 2012 - 3,138
Mar. 2012 - 3,355
Feb. 2012 - 3,373
Jan. 2012 - 2,266

Dec. 2011 - 3,546
Nov. 2011 - 2,691
Oct. 2011 - 2,977
Sep. 2011 - 3,112
Aug. 2011 - 2,263
Jul.. 2011 - 2,137
Jun. 2011 - 1,808
May 2011 - 1,751
Apr. 2011 - 3,105
Mar. 2011 - 2,810
Feb. 2011 - 2,794
Jan. 2011 - 1,941
Looks like TL sales picked up a bit from Jan. '13, but still not that great.

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Definitely lower than what 2G and 3G TL sales were.

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Yea...the TSX needs to be gone or replaced with something substantially different than the ILX.

The 4G TL never had a chance...lol. First it was the beak. Then the economy. Now the economy is better, and the beak is fixed. But there's also the new Accord which is arguably an even better car if you don't need AWD. And all competitors have been refreshed, while the 4G TL itself is at the end of its life cycle.....better luck with the 5G TL...or TLX!
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this is the first time i think ive seen vw pass up kia
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Nissan Altima takes top sales for month of March (2013)

Altima: 37,762
Camry: 37,663
Accord: 36,504
Fusion: 30,284
Sonata: 18,031
Optima: 14,366


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New Accord Continues to Drive Honda Sales in March; Big Acura Sales Jump Fueled by Record-Setting RDX and All-New RLX

04/02/2013 - TORRANCE, Calif

American Honda today reported March 2013 U.S. sales of 136,038 units, an increase of 7.1 percent compared with March 2012 (up 11.1 percent based on the Daily Selling Rate, or DSR*). The Honda brand posted March 2013 sales of 121,938 units, an increase of 5.3 percent compared with March 2012. Acura U.S. March sales of 14,100 units increased 26.3 percent compared with March 2012.

Honda
  • The award-winning new Accord continues to rack up impressive sales numbers, trumping the segment in retail sales, up 36.4 percent from last March with sales of 36,504 units
  • The Civic was the Honda brand's second best-selling model, posting March sales of 27,665
  • The redesigned 2013 Crosstour sees third consecutive month of sales growth, and along with Pilot, each model enjoyed sales gains of more than 11 percent from last March

"Our core models, Civic, Accord, CR-V and Odyssey, continue to lead the industry where it counts, in retail sales," said John Mendel, executive vice president of Sales at American Honda. "It's particularly rewarding to see Accord and Civic winning new customers against a headwind of competitor incentives and value-reducing fleet sales."

Acura
  • RDX sets its eleventh-consecutive monthly sales record, up 284.8 percent from last March, and is the top-selling Acura model in March with sales of 3,875 units
  • Sales of the all-new flagship RLX sedan, which went on-sale March 15, are off to a solid start with 336 units sold
  • TL was the top selling Acura sedan in March with sales of 3,080 units, ILX sales continue to bolster Acura totals with sales of 2,059 units

"As we close in on a full year of sales, it's clear that the RDX is an undisputed success," said Jeff Conrad, vice president and general manager of Acura Sales. "With the all-new RLX off to a great start and a redesigned MDX coming soon, expect great things from Acura this year."

*The daily selling rate (DSR) is calculated with 27 days for March 2013 and 28 days for March 2012. Year-to-date, the DSR is calculated with 76 days for 2013 and 77 days for 2012. All other percentages in release are unadjusted; see table for adjusted DSR figures.
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I think its come to the point where Hyundai/Kia have reached their tipping point. They definitely scared the industry and helped bring better competition and now I think the rest of the industry has caught up and I'm sure their sales won't be so great for the time being.

edit: when I say so great, I mean how their sales were once climbing. I know some of you thought they would pass honda? When Honda was selling like 80k cars back during the tsunami.
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Interesting to note that the Ridgeline is outselling the Crossturd.
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Hyundai and Kia need to figure out how to lift their production constraints..

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...tml?cmpid=yhoo
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Altima is surprising.
Old 04-02-2013, 11:09 PM
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so Hyundai/kia are declining as predicted?. once Honda put earth dream engines into Civic/Fit/City/CRV next year along with new Accord hybrid. Honda sales are going to increase further.
Old 04-03-2013, 01:10 AM
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^ What about capacity limitations do you still not get?


Originally Posted by jnc2000
Hyundai and Kia need to figure out how to lift their production constraints..

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...tml?cmpid=yhoo
It is short-sighted of them to not have already laid the groundwork for a 3rd plant in NA.

Not only does Kia want to shift Forte production to the US (so that labor troubles don't affect supply), but Hyundai is hampered by limited production of the Santa Fe Sport at Kia's GA plant - plus, Hyundai would be best served to bring over production of the LWB Santa Fe as well.

Have to be impressed with Ford.

The Fusion is going gangbusters for them and will only increase as additional capacity goes on line with the start of US production.

The Fusion sells for $1k more than the Accord and $2k more than the Camry.

Also, while Chevy isn't doing as well as Ford, GM's premium and luxury brands are increasing sales by large margins as new and refreshed models hit the dealer lots.

Cadillac, in particular, should continue to see significant increases.
Old 04-03-2013, 01:39 PM
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What I want to know is fleet sales for those mid-size sedans. How do they compare with each other.
Old 04-03-2013, 03:23 PM
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Came in for YEH PR spin.


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Old 04-03-2013, 08:54 PM
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Yay, RLX sells at 1/10th the volume of its competition.
Old 04-03-2013, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MTEAZY
Came in for YEH PR spin.


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Old 04-03-2013, 09:23 PM
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Yay, RLX sells at 1/10th the volume of its competition.
It's off to a strong start. Next month it will break 450 units, just you wait!
Old 04-04-2013, 01:45 AM
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^^^^^

How about a year later, when all the initial excitement dies down ?


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