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Old 06-24-2005, 09:25 PM
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Supposedly this is the AMG sport package for the W221


IMO it looks MUCH better with this than the stock photos

Wow. That looks hot. I like
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Originally Posted by gavriil
This car will do the 60 in 5 seconds flat when mags test it. That's exactly where this class of vehicle should be. At last, MB now stands for power, among other things. Good job MB.
I definitely agree that low 5's and below is were these base model flagships should be, never understood how these companies got away with 0-60 numbers that were 'acceptable' for 30k cars(6secs).

On another note to be fair, think MB has been pumping out some very serious power before this car. They need to be known for handling 1st and foremost now to truely be compared with BMW.
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ok, its grown on me. S-Class > A8 now in my opinion. However, that cockpit is just UGLY.
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WOW!!!! Beautiful, thanks for the pictures
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what happend to the pictures?
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I see what they are trying to do with the black pics because the chrome trim stands out on the windows etc., the front is a lot more aggressive and the rear is maybach.

Interior, no.
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The AMG package above is nice
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Better pic of the AMG package

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2007 Mercedes-Benz S-Class S500 - - By Mike Dushane - - Source: www.AutomobileMag.com

When you're at the top of your game, you have the luxury of making evolutionary improvements instead of radical changes. The Mercedes-Benz S-class has been the best-selling car in its class for decades because it looks good (unlike the BMW 7-series), it has a reputation for quality (unlike Cadillac and Jaguar), and the three-pointed star on its hood is a beacon of status and wealth (unlike Audi). The outgoing S-class, codenamed W220, wasn't the best car in class to drive (stand up BMW 7-series), and its interior wasn't spectacular (that would be the Audi A8). But it did everything pretty well and nothing particularly badly.

So it should come as no surprise that the new S-class (code name W221 for the short-wheelbase model and V221 for the long-wheelbase model) is not a radical departure from the old. Crisper lines, a Maybach-style two-tiered rear, and faux-pontoon fender flares distinguish the new S-class from the old, but you'll have to forgive the unwashed masses for not noticing the difference. Unlike the current BMW 7-series, the new S-class doesn't polarize; it just looks nice. Everything's grown an inch or so: the length, the height, the width, and even the wheel diameters, which now start at eighteen inches in the U.S. While the outgoing model was offered with short and long wheelbases, the new S-class will come to the U.S. only in stretched form.

Inside, the gear selector has moved up to the steering column where it appears as a BMW 7-series-like toggle stick. In its former place on the console is an aluminum dial that looks suspiciously like an iDrive controller. You know the one, that stupid little rotary encoder that BMW introduced in the 2002 7-series that requires the hand-eye coordination of a Jukebox Hero and is about as popular as Foreigner's latest album. In the S-class, the dial adds a new dimension of complexity to the Comand infotainment system that's been baffling owners since its debut six years ago. Mercedes is quick to point out that its system has more so-called hard buttons--single-purpose physical clickers--than iDrive, but a quick stint behind the Comand wheel reveals that the system is similarly annoying for all but the most basic functions.

Other than the controversial Comand controller, the interior of the S-class has another stark difference that's also related to the Comand system. As in large BMWs, a large screen sits high to the right of the instrument binnacle creating a wall of displays in front of the driver. Shorter pilots will feel like they're peeking over the edge of a tall bathtub as they try to see down the road. Perhaps they'll just watch the optional night vision display that, when activated, appears directly in front of the driver in place of the analog speedometer, which is actually a picture of an analog speedometer generated on a computer screen. It's just as well to turn the speedo off, as the color and intensity of the faux needles don't exactly match their honest counterparts immediately adjacent to the display.

If you ever want a chuckle, ask a Mercedes engineer how Lexus manages to use a touch-screen interface that neither dominates the view forward nor requires the use of Satan's joystick. After a lot of hemming and hawing, the answer is that Mercedes offers more functions in its system, so a touch screen allegedly wouldn't work. Mercedes engineers confided in us that, in focus group testing, Americans had a far lower aptitude for mastering complex control systems than European and Japanese testers, and they tried to find a happy solution for all with slight regional software differences but the same overall system layout. Time will tell if Americans warm to the admittedly complex controller.

Other than the dominant Comand system, there isn't much revolutionary in the cabin. An attractive plunging line of wood and chrome trim on the dash is accentuated by indirect LED accent lighting and metallic switches using a similar material to the seat controls in new Porsches, something Mercedes calls galvanized composite. It looks shiny, but it feels no more substantial than plastic. The interior is more spacious in every dimension, especially in the long-wheelbase model slated for the U.S. An available panorama roof includes a fixed rear panel and a sliding front section that rests atop the rear section when open.

We haven't yet driven the S-class, but Mercedes claims all the usual things: the body is more rigid, the handling more agile, and the ride more supple. Mercedes hasn't switched to an electric power steering system, claiming rather simply that its engineers couldn't achieve the desired feel with such a system. That's a welcome departure from recent Mercedes-think where new systems were introduced seemingly as a form of engineering self stimulation but in many cases succeeded only in proving that they were launched prematurely. The hydraulic steering assist teams with another traditional favorite: hydraulic brakes. The electric braking system that's been so trouble-prone in the E-class is officially dead in all new Mercedes models heretofore.



The only thing we know for sure right now about the new S-class's performance is that its engines will be more powerful. The volume seller in the U.S. will be the S500 which has a new 32-valve, 5.5-liter V-8 that makes 388 hp and 391 lb-ft, enough to accelerate from 0 to 60 mph in scarcely over five seconds, according to Mercedes. To put that in perspective, that's quicker than the normally aspirated 2001 S55 AMG was, and like many modern Mercedes models, this puts the V-8 S-class ahead of its Audi and BMW competitors in straight-line acceleration times and power-to-weight ratio (the new S-class is only about 60 pounds heavier than the old, largely due to increased feature content). If blowing the doors off your neighbor's new V-8 750i isn't enough, a revised version of the twin-turbo V-12 in the S600 will make 517 hp and 612 lb-ft when it debuts in the spring of 2006. Sadly, the sweet supercharged V-8 from the outgoing S55 doesn't return. In its place will be an all-new 6.3-liter normally aspirated V-8 which will likely be smoother and comparably powerful if not quite the raucous tire burner that its predecessor was. The seven-speed manu-matic transmission from the outgoing model handles shifting for all V-8 models now, even those with 4Matic all-wheel drive, which will be available shortly after launch. The S600 still makes do with a five-speed manu-matic, which serves the force-fed twelve just fine due to that engine's broad torque curve.

What if all that power gets you in trouble? In addition to the usual abundance of air bags and electronic stability control, Mercedes is introducing a number of new and improved safety systems on the new S-class. The most exciting is Brake Assist Plus (BAS+). Instead of trying to figure out if you're initiating a panic stop just by judging how hard and fast you jam your foot down on the pedal (that's regular old Brake Assist, which you get if you don't order Distronic Plus active cruise control), BAS+ uses short- and long-range radar to determine how far you are from the traffic in front of you and what your closing speed is. If the system can tell that you're closing in on forward traffic too quickly, or that the guy in front of you just nailed the binders, it will increase the brake force (only after you've started braking) with the necessary gusto to avoid a collision. We know what you're thinking: I have eyes and a right foot; I don't need some system to help me. Mercedes testing shows that almost nobody reacts as quickly as BAS+, though. We learned this the hard way when, running without BAS+, more than one journalist failed a braking reaction test and nailed the rear end of a PT Cruiser. Thankfully, this was in Mercedes's fancy simulator, and the damage done was only to their egos.

Another technology aimed at reducing rear-end collisions is the so-called adaptive brake light. Basically, it strobes when you brake hard. Mercedes claims that its research shows a marked reduction in rear-end collisions when cars have the blinky brake lights, but the U.S. government stands unmoved; the system will be offered on all S-classes everywhere else in the world, but in the U.S., only a limited number of S600s with the technology will be sold because it isn't approved for widespread use.

The western shores of the Atlantic will see the second generation of Pre-Safe, an accident anticipation system originally introduced in the 2003 S-class. Like the original Pre-Safe, if the system foresees a crash, it will move the passenger seat into a lower and more erect position, yank the seatbelts tight, and close the windows and sunroof. The second-generation system also clenches the side bolsters to keep you better planted in the event of a side impact. Aggressive drivers get an added bonus: the seat gooses you every time you hit the brakes hard.

Another new technology that combines safety with comfort is the new Distronic Plus radar-guided cruise control system. Like the original Distronic system, it can vary your speed on the highway to maintain a safe following distance. Also like the original system, it's far too conservative for urban U.S. conditions, so if you leave the system to its own devices (even set to follow as closely as possible), a steady stream of cars will file into the too-large space in front of you. The cool thing that the new Plus system adds is the ability to slow the car down all the way to a stop and inch along in stop-and-go traffic. While we haven't tried this out yet, we fear the system will once again lack the cutthroat maneuvering tactics of our fellow countrymen and leave users accelerating too little, too late to maintain the required two-micron following distance necessary to avoid getting cut off. Distronic Plus's low-speed operation is made possible by the same short-range radar used in the Brake Assist Plus system, so the two systems are optionally available only in conjunction with one another. With all the plusses featured, Mercedes could make a call to Lane Bryant about doing a launch edition of the car instead of defaulting to the predictable Neiman Marcus pairing. While we aren't holding our breath for that to happen, we can guarantee a full test of the S-class closer to its arrival on U.S. shores in January of 2006.
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So Automobile Mag claims that the 388HP (382HP I am guessing for the USA) is a 5.5L V8 engine.
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If you ever want a chuckle, ask a Mercedes engineer how Lexus manages to use a touch-screen interface that neither dominates the view forward nor requires the use of Satan's joystick. After a lot of hemming and hawing, the answer is that Mercedes offers more functions in its system, so a touch screen allegedly wouldn't work. Mercedes engineers confided in us that, in focus group testing, Americans had a far lower aptitude for mastering complex control systems than European and Japanese testers, and they tried to find a happy solution for all with slight regional software differences but the same overall system layout. Time will tell if Americans warm to the admittedly complex controller.
Like BMW they just don't get it. Trying to sell the iDrive controller to the same folks whose VCR still blinks "12:00" is a tough sell. And this is saying something about folks who can afford such cars.
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The car's also supposed to get a 6% increase in price to around $90,000... ouch.
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The car's also supposed to get a 6% increase in price to around $90,000... ouch.
Yup, the only way to produce a quality car with a quality interior (materials wise).

The W220 was an exercise in how to save money and it showed.
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Mercedes flagship beefs up - - Source: Autocar

The 6.3-litre version of Mercedes’new S-Class is production ready, as this official image leaked from inside Mercedes shows.

Autocar.co.uk revealed official pictures of the standard S-Class last month, but the new car’s lines appear much more successful in the high-performance AMG incarnation. The extended arches appear muscular rather than bloated with the addition of a deep front air dam, sill extensions and fat 19-inch five-spoke alloy wheels. Though we have yet to see a rear view, expect the deeper rear bumper to feature AMG’s trademark quartet of tailpipes.

The sportiest S-class uses a normally-aspirated, high-revving V8 in place of the current car’s supercharged unit, with capacity boosted from 5.4 to 6.3 litres to compensate. It powers the rear wheels through Mercedes’ 7G-Tronic seven-speed gearbox. Codenamed M156 E63, the V8’s power output is as yet unconfirmed, but the engine will come in a variety of tunes depending on application. Like the existing unit it will find its way into a variety of cars, including the AMG version of the new M-Class 4x4. As for the S-Class, expect an improvement over the current S55 AMG’s 500bhp.

The AMG isn’t the only bit of new S-class information to trickle out of Stuttgart. We have also uncovered images showing the complex-looking Command console – Mercedes’ answer to BMW’s iDrive – along with the new night vision system, Distronic cruise control and twin sunroofs. Check out our image gallery to see them all.


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Me likey the poon poon!
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Originally Posted by goldmemberer
The 6.3L is an AMG engine and I really don't think we're going to see a V12 inside the C-class. The V8 is already pushing it in a car the size of a Civic?

Originally Posted by cob3683
63 will be a V8.
Originally Posted by gavriil
The 6.3 NA engine is not a V12 engine.
Yes, sirs.
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isnt there already a cls65, cl65, and sl65 amg? why scale down to 63?
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Originally Posted by bkknight369
isnt there already a cls65, cl65, and sl65 amg? why scale down to 63?
It's a replacement for the 55 not 65.
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I was a little iffy on the new S-class before, but I really do think this is a good face-lift....I see the sportyness of the CLS with the refinement, taste and stately class you would expect from the S-class. Looking at the pic of the S 63 above, I'd say I give it two thumbs up

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Originally Posted by bkknight369
isnt there already a cls65, cl65, and sl65 amg? why scale down to 63?
The S65, CL65, and SL65. No CLS65.

Also there is going to be the M-Class with the AMG Package. to compete with the Porshe Turbo SUV.

We'll be getting the new models of these vehicles in shortly. For the 06's
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Looks very sharp. Now all they've got to do is get rid of this reliability plague and they'll be fine. I think they are way towards the bottom of the list right now as far as reliability goes.
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This car is growing on me each time I look at it. Can't wait to see it in person.
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Gorgeous. I've even gotten used to the wheel arches, which bothered me at first.
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I saw that exact car on the GW on Tuesday night around 6pm. There were no mercedes benz badges on it, and it looked like a Maybach from behind. It had NJ dealer plates and the way we could tell it was a benz was from the steering wheel. It looks absolutely gorgeous
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Damn thats sick, the next CL will be soo hawt
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Good preview. I guess I'll see what it's made of when I sit in it. Releasing in a few months, no? 3-4, I mean?
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damn this car has some crazy features.....

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a "progressive brake lamp" type of system would help to minimize the occurrence of this situation.... "you don't give it the panic stop in that second stage" because you don't know how hard the car in front of you is braking.....

watch.... many cars will have such systems in a few years... they could have had it in the late 80's, if they'd listened to me the technology was there - but the application/execution wasn't... oh well I guess 20 years later is better than never.....

it may even become a safety standard like the CHMSL did in the mid 80's.....
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Didnt BMW have this with their LED tailights on the E46? Press the pedal and normal brake lights turned on, pressed harder and the outside lights came on that were even brighter...

Same concept, no?
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the digital dash is very cool
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Mercedes-Benz S-Class Looks Back on a Success Story

220 Series Is World’s Best-Selling Luxury Sedan

·Last 220 Series S-Class rolls off the assembly line at Sindelfingen plant

·More than 500,000 luxury sedans sold worldwide since 1998

·Pioneering innovations make the S-Class the trendsetter for the entire automotive industry

With only a few weeks left to go until the world premiere of the new Mercedes-Benz S-Class, the last 220 Series sedan is rolling off the assembly line today at the Sindelfingen plant. The milestone vehicle is a cubanite silver S 430 4MATIC and is destined for a customer in the U.S. The production of the last car of the series provided Plant Director Prof. Eberhard Haller with an opportunity to comment on the vehicle’s success: “Since the series was launched in 1998, the employees at the Sindelfingen plant have produced about 500,000 units of the sedan for customers around the world,” he said. “Every single vehicle is an expression of their expertise and their attention to detail. I would like to thank all of the employees for making the S-Class what it is today: the world’s most successful luxury sedan.”

The S-Class was established as a separate production series in 1965. It has dominated the world market for the past forty years, during which time more than 2.7 million units of the luxury sedan have been sold. This dominant position was also held by the 220 Series, which continuously led the luxury segment since its introduction in 1998. With a market share of about 30 percent, Mercedes-Benz’ flagship model is still the world’s Number One luxury vehicle today, shortly before the world premiere of the new S-Class. “The 220 Series has all the hallmarks of a real classic,” Haller said. “The car's more than 30 innovations clearly demonstrate its trendsetting function for the entire automotive industry. I am convinced that this timelessly elegant vehicle will remain a common sight on our roads for many years to come.”

With respect to safety, design and comfort, the new S-Class will point the direction in which the automotive industry will be headed in the future. The car will be celebrating its world debut at the International Motor Show in Frankfurt on September 12 and will hit showrooms this fall. Like its predecessors, the new S‑Class will feature technical innovations as standard equipment, making this Mercedes flagship model the benchmark for passenger car development in general.

wow, that s-class facility looks clean as hell...
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wow, thats a small number of people to build an entire car.
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