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Old 03-12-2005, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
I can see the X5, the Tuareg and what's the third vehicle? Can you tell?
Looks like the Volvo.
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Hopefully this generation will be reliable.
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According to the above source, the engine in the AMG63 will be:

ML 63 AMG with 496 hp and 442 lb-ft 6.0 liter V8 AMG (M156) availble in spring 06
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ML 350 with 268 hp and 258 lb-ft 3.5 liter V6 (M272) spring 05
ML 500 with 302 hp and 339 lb-ft 5.0 liter V8 (M113) spring 05
ML 450 with 325 hp and 369 lb-ft 4.6 liter V8 (M273) 2006
ML 550 with 382 hp and 405 lb-ft 5.5 liter V8 (M273) 2006
ML 280 CDI with 188 hp and 325 lb-ft 3.0 liter V6 CDI (OM642) North America 2006?
ML 320 CDI with 221 hp and 376 lb-ft 3.0 liter V6 CDI (OM642) North America 2006
ML 400 CDI with 315 hp and 538 lb-ft 4.0 liter BiTurbo V8 CDI (OM629) fall 06
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4.6 liter V8 -- interesting after hearing of a 4.7 liter V8 making about the same. I wonder what's up.

5.5 liter V8. I wonder if that will substitute the ML500 engine. Its torque sounds great at 405lb/ft.
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So are they going to drop the 350 all together and just go with the 450 and 550 engines in 2006?

This 550 is what I have been waiting for.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
5.5 liter V8. I wonder if that will substitute the ML500 engine. Its torque sounds great at 405lb/ft.
Yup, that's what should be happening......as the new S will become the S550 (although I read somewhere that the engine will make 400hp in the sedan, we'll see).

The current 5.0l simply needs to be replaced, even though it is a great motor (makes nice torque). Especially with BMWs new V8 coming out for 06, the 5.5l is exactly what MB needs.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
4.6 liter V8 -- interesting after hearing of a 4.7 liter V8 making about the same. I wonder what's up.

5.5 liter V8. I wonder if that will substitute the ML500 engine. Its torque sounds great at 405lb/ft.
Looks that way. Time of the 5.0L to go bye bye. What I really liked reading was the 320CDI with 376lb/ft of torque. That'd prbably be my engine of choice.
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DAMN. MB wastes no time getting those AMG models introduced.
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Recalled

Safety recalls hit Toyota, DaimlerChrysler, Honda - - Source: Autonews
Separately, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said DaimlerChrysler AG is recalling 7,191 of its 2006 model-year Mercedes M-Class sport utility vehicles because a clamp that secures the power steering fluid cooling hose may be defective and could cause a loss of the fluid.

This could diminish power steering and lead to a crash, the NHTSA said.
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The cars have just started selling and there's already a recall. This won't be good for business...
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The cars have just started selling and there's already a recall. This won't be good for business...
Its a not a major issue and to begin with not many cars were recalled.

Nothing earth shattering.
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Its a not a major issue and to begin with not many cars were recalled.

Nothing earth shattering.
It's still going to have a psychological effect. The average car buyer is too vacuous to consider the extent of the problem. They just care that there is a recall.
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It's still going to have a psychological effect.
Not really, anyone of sound mind will not be swayed by a small clamp issue.

Even if you read the Benz forums, people are pissed and annoyed....but I don't see anyone running to cancel their order.

There is no excuse for the problem, hopefully MB will get it cleared up quickly.
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Originally Posted by http://www.canadiandriver.com/roadtest/06m-class.htm
May 25, 2005


2006 Mercedes-Benz ML350. Click image to enlarge
First Drive:
2006 Mercedes-Benz M-Class
Story and photos by Grant Yoxon

Toronto, Ontario - People who communicate - marketers, advertisers and political spin doctors, for example - are familiar with the expression 'perception is reality.'

Consumers base their decision to buy on the perception that they are getting what they are paying for. Voters decide to vote for a political party based on their perception that the party will deliver what it promises if elected.

How often have we found that our perceptions did not meet reality once the party formed the government? And how often has a product failed to live up to its promises?

Sport utility vehicles have become immensely popular over the last 15 years. Ask buyers why they want a to drive an SUV and they will tell you that they want the protection offered by a large vehicle, the safety of all-wheel-drive, the added security of a commanding driving position, and versatility for carrying cargo and passengers.

Browse through the crash test and roll-over ratings of SUVs at the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and you will see how often perception and reality deviate.

Buyers will also tell you that they want a vehicle that reflects their active outdoors-oriented lifestyle. Here perception may diverge even more significantly from reality.



2006 Mercedes-Benz ML500. Click image to enlarge

So it is refreshing to find an SUV that in reality will meet the expectations of buyers for safety and security.

And one that might match your self-image whether you perceive yourself to be the outdoors type or if you've come to terms with the reality of your sedentary lifestyle.

Mercedes-Benz has just released the latest version of its M-Class SUV - the 2006 ML350 and ML500 and it can be said, without hesitation, that perception really is reality. The new M-Class will meet consumer expectations for safety and refinement. And it will also go wherever your active lifestyle dictates, if in fact, that too is your reality.

This is the first complete re-design of the M-Class that was first introduced in 1997 as a 1998 model. That year, the M-Class was named Car of the Year by the Automobile Journalists Association of Canada, as well as North American Truck of the Year.

What the journalists and consumers liked about the 1998 M-Class was its almost unique combination of rugged off-road capability and passenger car refinement and security. This has not changed for 2006. If anything, the M-class is even more capable and more car-like.





2006 Mercedes-Benz ML500. Click image to enlarge

The 2006 version of the M-Class has few compromises. It may well be the most sedan-like SUV available in Canada today. And properly equipped, it has the capability to match all but the most purpose-built off-road vehicles.

The quest to eliminate compromise started with a completely new unibody frame and chassis and the liberal use of high strength steel. The body is extremely rigid. Over even the roughest road, not a squeak or rattle can be heard. Even perched on two wheels, a situation that would have most vehicles bending in two, the ML's doors and hatch can be opened and closed without problem.

Most M-Class buyers won't find themselves in this kind of situation, but a rigid body has noticeable benefits for everyday driving. It contributes to superior on-road refinement, a quiet interior and a much safer vehicle.

Also contributing to ride comfort is a wheelbase that has grown by 93 mm (3.7 in.). Larger dimensions increase interior space. The new M-Class is about 150 mm (6 in.) longer, nearly 71 mm (2,8 in.) wider and about 6 mm (.2 in) lower than the first generation M-Class.


2006 Mercedes-Benz ML500. Click image to enlarge
The distance between the front and rear seat has increased by more than 15 mm (.5 in.), while knee room (35 mm/1.4 in.) and elbow room (1.3 in.) have also grown. Front leg room has also been expanded by 50 mm (2.0 in.).

The rear seats are configured 60/40 and folded allow up to 2,050 litres (72.4 cu. ft.) of cargo space. The M-Class can be ordered with a power liftgate and an optional cargo organizer, but not a third row passenger seat. This is strictly a 5-passenger SUV. No third row is contemplated.

Interior materials, and fit and finish, will meet consumer expectations for Mercedes-Benz' reputation for quality. Cloth seating and aluminum trim are standard, with leather seats and wood trim optional.







2006 Mercedes-Benz ML500. Gear selector photo: Mercedes-Benz. Click image to enlarge

It is a completely new interior design with four-spoke multi-function steering wheel, large bright gauges housed in tubular binnacles, a generous centre console with integrated grab handles and room for two extra large Timmies, and a column mounted gear selector.

It may sound like a backward step, but mounting the gear selector - in reality a simple electric switch (up for Forward, down for Reverse and press for Park) - back on the steering column frees up lots of room for storage on the console.

The gear selector connects to a 7-speed automatic transmission - a first for SUVs. Mercedes-Benz says the new seven speed "makes the SUV both faster and more economical while providing smooth, barely noticeable shifts." It's not just marketing. In reality you will not notice the transmission shifting through the gears unless you shift it manually with the shift buttons on the back of the steering wheel.

Two engines are available, a completely new 3.5-litre V6 and a 5.0-litre V8 held over from the previous generation, but much more refined.

The twin-cam V6 - derived from the 2005 SLK350 - produces 268 horsepower and 258 foot-pounds of torque, with maximum torque available from 2,400 rpm to 5,000 rpm. Nearly 90 per cent of torque is available at a low 1,500 rpm. As a result the new V6 moves the 2,135 kg (4,707 lbs.) SUV smartly from a standing start or throughout the mid-range - excellent for passing. The zero to 100 km/h time is estimated to be 8.6 seconds. Natural Resources Canada's estimated fuel consumption for this engine is 14.6 litres/100 km (19.3 mpg) in the city and 10.6 litres/100 km 26.6 mpg) on the highway.

It makes one wonder why a V8 is necessary - probably to meet consumer perceptions that a luxury SUV should be more powerful than other SUVs. If that's your perception, you can opt for the ML500 and its 302 hp 5.0-litre, three-valve per cylinder V8. Torque is higher - 339 ft-lb - but the torque band is not as broad as the V6 - ranging from 2,700 to 4,750 rpm. Estimated acceleration times increase to 7.2 seconds for the zero to 100 km/h sprint, as does fuel consumption - 16.8 litres per 100 km (16.8 mpg) in the city and 11.6 litres per 100 km on the highway (24.4 mpg).

It should be noted that the M-Class with either engine is rated by the California Air Resources Board as a super ultra-low emission vehicle.

Obviously, I'm a bit partial toward the V6. It is a wonderful engine, strong for a small power-plant, a smooth and quiet running motor with the added benefit of reasonable fuel consumption. But the V8 is there for those who feel they need it. And for those for whom there is never enough power, there will be the ML63 AMG with 6.3-litre V8 coming in 2007. An AMG appearance package will be available later in the 2006 model year.

What about a diesel? The news is good. An ML320 CDI with 3.2 litre diesel engine will reach Canada later in the 2006 model year. The engine produces 201 hp and 369 ft-lb. of torque and will have an estimated combined city/highway fuel consumption rating of 9.4 litres per 100 km (30 mpg).

As mentioned earlier, the new ML has a super-stiff chassis, thanks to its new uni-body construction. And buyers looking for a competent all-weather vehicle will be pleased with the ML's on road manners. It is extremely smooth and comfortable for an SUV.







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But the adventurous will not be disappointed. With full time four-wheel-drive, Downhill Speed Regulation (essentially low speed cruise control) and hill holder start-off assist, the ML350 and ML500 proved to be quite capable in the rough going as we experienced during off-road trials organized by Mercedes-Benz Canada.

The four-wheel-drive system in the Mercedes-Benz M-Class is a full-time four-wheel adaptation of Mercedes' electronic traction control. The system senses wheel slip electronically and brakes the slipping wheels, which transfers torque to those tires with the most grip, on virtually any road surface. Even when three wheels are slipping, all available torque can be transferred to one wheel. Normal torque distribution is 50/50 front to rear.

Hard core off-roaders have not been forgotten as Mercedes-Benz will make available later this year an optional off-road package which features a two-speed electronically controlled transfer case. High range provides 1:1 on-road gearing, while selecting "low" at the press of a button engages a 2.93:1 ratio. The off-road package will also include electronically controlled centre and rear differential locks.

Also enhancing its off-road capability - as well as on-road drive-ability - is the M-class's optional air suspension system, which employs air bladders instead of coil springs. This $4,995 option automatically lowers ride height 15 mm (0.6 in.) for improved handling and stability at speeds over 120 km/h. For off-road ventures, the suspension can be raised, using a dash mounted switch, as much as 80 mm (3.15 in.), providing a ground clearance of 261 mm (10.3 in.).

The air suspension also includes an adaptive damping system that can change compression and rebound damping in response to changing road conditions. The suspension can be locked into a "sport" mode for a firmer setting or a "comfort" mode, or left to adjust itself automatically.

The rest of the four-wheel independent suspension consists of a double wishbone front suspension with coil springs, gas shocks and stabilizer bar. The rear suspension is a four-link set-up.



2006 Mercedes-Benz ML350. Click image to enlarge

A strong body has obvious benefits off-road, but it also enhances occupant safety. While the front and rear of the new M-Class are designed to deform and absorb crash energy, a super-strong passenger cell protects occupants by maintaining survival space. The 2006 M-Class has standard two-stage adaptive front airbags, curtain side airbags and roll-over sensor. Active safety features include anti-lock brakes, all-speed traction control, electronic stability program, brake assist and tire pressure monitoring system.

Most consumers aren't looking for an off-road experience when they purchase an SUV. They have the perception that an SUV will provide enhanced safety and the flexibility to carry cargo and passengers. They want the toughness of a truck, but the ride and comfort of a car. And they want a vehicle that will look good in their driveway.

The 2006 M-Class will not disappoint on any of these perceptions because with the M-Class perception is reality.

The new M-Class is on sale now. Starting prices range from $55,750 for the ML350 with cloth seating to $75,300 for the ML500 with appearance package. For more information visit Mercedes-Benz Canada.
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I love how the back looks...
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This car really looks like a suped up and restyled 2G Rav4. Makes me love it even more.
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And I just came back from the M-Class Rally that I was invited to last Saturday. As much fun as I had in test driving the ML500 & ML350, I would have gone NUTS with the ML63.

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Daimler has more than 26,000 M-class orders in Europe - - Reuters / July 11, 2005 - - Source: Automotive News

FRANKFURT -- DaimlerChrysler has booked more than 26,000 orders from western Europe for its Mercedes M-class SUV within a few days of the launch, the world's fifth-biggest carmaker said in a statement on Monday.

The new M-class, built in Vance, Ala., went on sale in the United States in April and helped Mercedes-Benz post record sales for June.

Mercedes-Benz established the premium off-road vehicle segment in Europe in 1997 with the introduction of the first-generation M-class, of which around 650,000 were sold around the world.
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That's interesting IMO. High demand from Europeans about a Mercedes car built here and primarily for our market. Very interesting and IMO positive overall.
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New Mercedes-Benz ML 63 AMG Unveiled

World premiere at the 61st IAA in Frankfurt/Main
Pole position in the off-road segment


The Mercedes-Benz ML 63 AMG sets a new standard in the sporty off-roader segment. The new top-of-the–range model in the M-Class goes straight to the top of the competitive lineup with its 375 kW/510 hp AMG 6.3-litre V8-engine. This new off-roader developed by Mercedes-AMG stands for sportiness and dynamism at the highest level, while its exclusive appointments meet even the most demanding requirements. The ML 63 AMG celebrates its world premiere at the 61st International Motor Show (IAA) in Frankfurt/Main, and will be launched during the second quarter of 2006.

The powerful heart of a high-performance athlete beats beneath the bonnet of the ML 63 AMG: as a completely new and autonomous development by Mercedes-AMG, the AMG 6.3-litre V8-engine generates an output of 375 kW/510 hp at 6800 rpm and a maximum torque of 630 Newton metres at 5200 rpm; this makes the new AMG powerpack the world’s most powerful naturally aspirated eight-cylinder engine in regular production.

This unique combination of a high engine speed concept and a large displacement enables the best of both worlds to be achieved: outstanding liveliness accompanied by powerful torque from low engine speeds. The driver of the ML 63 AMG experiences the decidedly sporty character of the new AMG V8-engine in the form of great agility and dynamic responsiveness in all engine speed ranges.

No other off-roader in the direct competitive lineup has a larger displacement and output than the new ML 63 AMG. The AMG 6.3-litre V8-engine provides the performance levels of a sports car, with acceleration from zero to 100 km/h in just 5.0 seconds and a maximum speed of 250 km/h (electronically limited). Compared to the preceding ML 55 AMG with 255 kW/347 hp and 510 Newton metres, the new ML 63 AMG generates 46 percent more output and 23 percent more torque.

Power transfer in the top M-Class model is via an AMG SPEEDSHIFT 7G-TRONIC automatic transmission with a DIRECT SELECT shift lever mounted by the steering wheel. Three shift modes specially configured for the sporty performance characteristics of the AMG V8-engine ensure that the power is used to best effect. These shift modes - "S" (Sport), "C" (Comfort) and "M" (Manual) – are selected using a switch in the centre console and differ in their gearshift characteristics and speed.

As in a Formula 1 racing car, the seven gears can be changed using the gearshift buttons on the AMG ergonomic sports steering wheel. The permanent four-wheel drive of the ML 63 AMG is also decidedly sporty in nature: in the interests of the best possible agility and performance on bends, the generous power of the AMG V8-engine is distributed to the front and rear axles on a 40:60 basis. A specially strengthened drive train ensures an optimal power transfer and the reliability typical of a Mercedes.

AMG sports suspension and AMG high-performance braking system

The AMG sports suspension based on AIRMATIC ensures high cornering speeds, precise directional stability and low levels of body roll while providing excellent long-distance comfort. The air suspension features AMG-specific damper struts and the specially configured adaptive damping system ADS. A level control system automatically lowers the suspension at higher speeds.

Road contact is via high-sheen 19-inch AMG light-alloy wheels in a 5-spoke design. Fitted with 295/45 R 19 wide-base tyres all-round, this wheel/tyre combination not only impresses with its muscular appearance, but also ensures that the sporty performance is translated to the road. High-sheen 20-inch AMG light-alloy wheels in a five-spoke design with 295/40 R 20 wide-base tyres are available as an option. The shortest possible braking distances are guaranteed by the generously dimensioned AMG high-performance braking system behind the AMG light-alloy wheels, which features internally ventilated and indented brake discs all-round.

Striking appearance with AMG styling and flared wings

Wide, muscular, with a broad stance and poised to leap forward – the visual appearance of the new ML 63 AMG immediately confirms its special position in the range. The athletic design of this powerful off-roader is characterised by its striking AMG styling with a front and rear apron, an AMG-specific radiator grille, flared wings, stainless steel running boards with rubber studs and tinted rear lights. Both visually and acoustically, the AMG sports exhaust system with two chrome-plated twin tail-pipes emphasises the power and dynamism of the top-of-the-range model in the M-Class.

Dynamically designed interior with exclusive standard appointments

Sportiness is also the order of the day in the interior of the ML 63 AMG. The exclusive interior features include AMG sports seats with nappa leather upholstery, alcantara inserts in the shoulder areas, a multicontour function and heating, the AMG ergonomic leather sports steering wheel with gearshift buttons, AMG door sills and stainless steel sports pedals with rubber studs. The AMG instrument cluster is equally dynamic with its AMG-specific lettering, red needles and 320 km/h speedometer scale.

The ML 63 AMG also meets the highest requirements in terms of safety: standard safety features include the preventive occupant protection system PRE-SAFE®, crash-responsive NECK-PRO head restraints in the first seat row, adaptive, two-stage airbags for the driver and front passenger, front sidebags, windowbags and belt tensioners and belt force limiters for all the seats. After its world premiere at the International Automobile Show (IAA) in Frankfurt/Main, the ML 63 AMG will be officially launched during the second quarter of 2006.




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the AMG 6.3-litre V8-engine generates an output of 375 kW/510 hp at 6800 rpm and a maximum torque of 630 Newton metres at 5200 rpm; this makes the new AMG powerpack the world’s most powerful naturally aspirated eight-cylinder engine in regular production
510 hp out of a naturally aspirated V8! That is astounding. Just imagine what this thing would be like when twin-turbocharged. German engineering never fails to amaze me. However, I think if Honda or Toyota were to take on the task, they could easily surpass them. It seems that the Germans, particularly Mercedes, has always gone towards strapping on a Kompressor or turbo, while the Japanese (Honda particularly) just make the thing powerful and high-strung.

I personally appreciate the homage paid to the 450SEL 6.9. This huge, naturally aspirated V8 is exactly what they did with the 6.9 (an AMAZING vehicle--the predecessor to AMG vehicles) I cannot wait to hear the exhaust note of this beast, or wait to see what they have done to the interior. AMG vehicles have never really been differentiated amazingly on the interior.

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Not terribly impressed, looks overdone......nice engine though.
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Now Benz really went at it... 510 hp, and its just look bad ass for an SUV... Well done I must say
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What a waste of an awesome engine to be put in something like that..................
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wow....
Old 08-18-2005, 09:45 AM
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I can't wait till we get our in the shop. I want to put the 1000 break in miles on it.
Old 08-18-2005, 09:59 AM
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That is truly insane. Such a beast of an engine. Maybe they'll start dropping that in a number of models, just like the 5.4L V8.
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Finally, the first pics of this model that I like....
I wouldn't buy it, but I do like it!
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I am curious how much they will detune this engine when it will go in the C-class and in the SLK.
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Mercedes to Unveil AMG-Tuned SUV

Mercedes to Unveil AMG-Tuned SUV - - SOurce: Edmunds.com

STUTTGART, Germany — Mercedes-Benz will introduce a new monster SUV at the forthcoming Motor Show, based on its new ML-Class.

The ML63 AMG is powered by a 493-horsepower V8 engine, capable of 465 pound-feet torque.

AMG, the in-house tuning division of Mercedes-Benz, recently developed this new 6.3-liter V8 power plant to thwart rivals' efforts to match Mercedes' performance. The new flagship ML63 reaches 60 mph within 5 seconds and although maximum speed is electronically limited to 155 mph, it is believed it can go a lot faster than that.

Power is transmitted by AMG's 7G-TRONIC automatic transmission, with the gearshift buttons built into the sports steering wheel. The permanent four-wheel-drive system is calibrated with 40-to-60 distribution of power among the front and rear axles.

The beefed-up exterior features front and rear ground effects, AMG radiator grille, flared wings, stainless steel running boards, tinted rear lights and a sport exhaust system with twin chrome-plated tailpipes.

The new ML63 will be joined by the S63 and R63 next year.
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I thought it was 510 hp?? WTF?!?!?! ! I was gonna put that extra 17 hp to good use...
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510 DIN


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