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Old 02-26-2005, 03:38 AM
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So that's why MBs are so expensive - they hire professional camo artists.
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That's not camo, that's the new Kevlar Premium Value Package.
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Spy Shots: ‘08 Mercedes C-Class - - by Brenda Priddy - - Source: The Car Connection

This is the very first sighting of the 2008 Mercedes C-Class and although it's heavily disguised, the timing is significant - indicating the W204 (as it's known by its internal codename) is right on schedule.


The next generation C-Class will arrive in the 2007 calendar year, followed twelve months later by the wagon version. And although it's hard to tell from these pictures, the new C-Class is expected to be much sportier and no longer just a downsized S-Class, but a more modern Benz which hope to gain the attention of younger and less conservative buyers.

The rear-wheel-drive sedan will be the first powered with Benz' KDI EVT (electronic valvetrain without camshafts; supercharged and direct-injected) engines, and will incorporate other new technologies including the third-generation 4Matic all-wheel-drive system.

But as independent and modern as the new C-Class looks, it will be sharing even more component-wise with E- and S-Class models.
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So:

ala-BMW's Valvetronic tech,
supercharged, and
Direct Injected!

Sometimes MB makes me think they use tech just because the competition is doing so. So that they dont lose any braggin' rights.

For example, like Audi really needed DI for the 3.1 liter V6 to make 255 HP and 243 pounds of torque with that gas consumption stated. Sounds like fashion-vicitmism to me sometimes.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
...Sometimes MB makes me think they use tech just because the competition is doing so. So that they dont lose any braggin' rights....
What company doesn't do that?
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What company doesn't do that?

All GM subsidiaries, most Ford subsidiaries and most Japanese manufacturers actually.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
All GM subsidiaries, most Ford subsidiaries and most Japanese manufacturers actually.
Ford --> DOHC V8
GM --> They don't really compete with anything, so there's no point in using the competitions' tech. But I could probably think of some examples if you forced me to.
Japan --> Come on, man!

You ever heard of the..... Acura RL?! How about the.... M35x, which uses the awd tech.... because the competition (see: RL) is doing so.

Actually, all these lux awds are a good example of using tech because the competition is doing so. Every one of them wants to beat Audi at their game. And look who's playing now:

BMW
MB
Acura
Lexus
Infiniti

And this is just ONE technology! Don't get me started about navigation systems... Sheesh!

Any company that consciously chooses to get left behind on technology won't survive in a tough market like the automotive industry. Unless they're some kinda niche manufacturer like Ferrari.

Sorry for the
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I hope they work on reliability - it will be first car without cam shafts.

The Germans have problems with electronics and they make a car even more reliant on them.
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yeah no kidding. The electronic brake system on the new E classes suck. I drove one and they are so twitchy.
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2006 Mercedes-Benz C350 - - Punching it Up: Bigger engine makes top-of-line C-Class a real gas -- By ROGER HART - - Source: Autoweek

Published Date: 3/7/05
2006 MERCEDES-BENZ C350
ON SALE: June
BASE PRICE: $38,000 (est.)
POWERTRAIN: 3.5-liter, 268-hp, 258-lb-ft V6; rwd, seven-speed automatic
CURB WEIGHT: 3410 lbs (est.)
0 TO 60 MPH: 6.1 seconds (mfr.)

The C-Class is the smallest sedan Mercedes-Benz sells in the United States (for now) but it’s also the biggest seller, so an argument could be made that it’s the most important vehicle in the portfolio. Mercedes sold 69,251 C-Class models last year in the States, accounting for 31 percent of the 221,610 vehicles sold here wearing the three-pointed star.

If you need more evidence, consider that the C-Class was all-new just four years ago, had an exterior freshening along with changes in suspension and steering last year and this year the car gets a serious powertrain upgrade. The top of the line models are now fitted with the company’s new 3.5-liter V6 and a new seven-speed automatic transmission.


The C350 will replace the C320 and will be available in Sport and Luxury trims. A standard seven-speed automatic transmission comes in the Luxury model while the 4Matic, awd version comes with a five-speed auto. The Sport package comes standard with a six-speed manual, while the seven-speed auto is optional.

The 3.5-liter V6 is same unit we first saw in the SLK released last year (AW, March 29, 2004). The engine uses variable cam timing for the 24 intake and exhaust valves, improving efficiency significantly from the 3.2-liter unit it replaces. While no official EPA figures are yet available, M-B says fuel efficiency is increased 12 percent despite the bigger displacement and improved output. The engine uses the latest in metallurgy, with the crankcase and cylinder heads made of aluminum; the pistons are iron-coated aluminum with steel connecting rods; and the cylinder liners are aluminum-silicone lined. The weight saving from conventional cast-iron liners is more than one pound per cylinder.


From this springs an engine producing 268 hp at 6000 rpm and 258 lb-ft of torque from 2400 to 5000 rpm. This output is up from 215 hp at 5700 rpm and 229 lb-ft at 3000 to 4600 revs. On our test drive, this stronger pulling power was quickly evident, and much appreciated. The old C320 sedan never felt slow, but you wouldn’t confuse it with a sports car either. That line seems to be blurring.

A 0 to 62 mph sprint takes just 6.4 seconds, 1.3 seconds quicker than the previous model. And because of the wide powerband, Mercedes says the seven-speed automatic-equipped C350 takes just 6.1 seconds to get from 35 to 75 mph. The automatic, outfitted with the latest electronics, quickly downshifts to keep the engine in the sweet spot, better utilizing all the available power. Steering-wheel-mounted shift buttons allow you to make your own gear changes, snapping them off nearly as quickly as you can press the buttons.


To ensure smooth operation, the engine has a balancer shaft running between the cylinder banks and rotating at the same speed but in the opposite direction of the forged crankshaft. Time was spent tuning the engine’s sounds by using a woven nylon material—rather than a smooth plastic—for the intake manifold (it absorbs sound, greatly reducing intake noise). Engineers also managed to give the exhaust note a pleasing performance rumble; not quite a muscle-car V8 sound, but a potent, satisfying noise nonetheless.

Prices for the new models will be released closer to the on-sale date in late June or early July, but Mercedes officials say prices should be similar to the outgoing models. More horsepower, greater torque and better fuel economy, at about the same price. There’s a formula anyone can appreciate.
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Originally Posted by ClutchPerformer
Ford --> DOHC V8
GM --> They don't really compete with anything, so there's no point in using the competitions' tech. But I could probably think of some examples if you forced me to.
Japan --> Come on, man!

You ever heard of the..... Acura RL?! How about the.... M35x, which uses the awd tech.... because the competition (see: RL) is doing so.

Actually, all these lux awds are a good example of using tech because the competition is doing so. Every one of them wants to beat Audi at their game. And look who's playing now:

BMW
MB
Acura
Lexus
Infiniti

And this is just ONE technology! Don't get me started about navigation systems... Sheesh!

Any company that consciously chooses to get left behind on technology won't survive in a tough market like the automotive industry. Unless they're some kinda niche manufacturer like Ferrari.

Sorry for the
Dude, my comment was about engine technology.

When it comes down to engine "fashion" tech talk, the Germans right now are top. Think about it.

And now that Audi and Mercedes are switching their strategy from force feeding to high revving NA engines, it wont only be fashion talk, it will be real too.
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Old 05-15-2005, 11:11 AM
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Wow are those LED headlamps in a high-volume car?? Granted, they'll probably just be used for DRLs but wicked anyway.

This pic has got to be a really high-end version of it though, look at those fender flares in the back and the wheels. I hope those aren't just features on the concept version.
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^ How can you tell leds from those pics? MB should definitely make them standard for the prices they charge. The computer rendition looks great. I love the steep arch of the beltline... that, with the greenhouse, makes the C look like a coupe. I wonder if the 2.5, 3.0, and 3.5 are all coming to the U.S.
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I wonder if the 2.5, 3.0, and 3.5 are all coming to the U.S.
I am guessing they all are.
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New C-class on target for 2007 - - Source: Autocar


Two years ahead of its planned UK introduction, Mercedes’ engineers have begun honing the next generation C-class in a bid to see it better the class benchmark, the new BMW 3-series. Along with the four-door saloon, the new car’s platform will be used underneath a five-door estate, the three-door Sports Coupé, CLK coupé and cabriolets, and the X-class, a compact 4x4 rival for the BMW X3.

Our computer-generated rendering reveals the C-class’s sharp new appearance. It borrows styling cues from the next S-class, due this September, with tauter surfacing, greater flaring of the wheelarches and prominent swage lines. The headlamps switch from today’s double-rounded form to a trapezoidal shape, while the tail lamps take on a more dynamic form.

The car will ride on a newly developed chassis with a longer wheelbase and widened tracks. The four-link (front) and multi-link (rear) suspension will continue, but with altered pick-up points, revised geometry and increased travel. It is allied to a stiffer body shell and redesigned platform structure – both using laser welding techniques for greater strength and tighter production tolerances.

However, Mercedes-Benz’s AirMatic air suspension and Active Body Control have been ruled out on cost grounds, as has the troubled Sensotronic brake control which will be replaced by a fully hydraulic system.

Direct injection will be made standard across Mercedes-Benz’s four-cylinder M271 engine family for increased output and improved fuel consumption. All of the new C-class’s four-cylinder engines will have the same 1.8-litre capacity but will be offered with 150bhp, 170bhp and turbocharged 190bhp outputs.

Stuttgart’s new M272 naturally-aspirated 24-valve V6 engine family will supply 204bhp 2.5-, 231bhp 3.0- and 272bhp 3.5-litre powerplants for the C-class. At the top of the line-up will be an AMG flagship, expected to retain the existing car’s 5.4-litre V8, but with a power output up from today’s 367bhp to around 410bhp.

Work is also well advanced on a redesigned 2.2-litre four-cylinder common-rail diesel. This should remain in the line-up for at least three years, enhanced by the incorporation of efficient piezo fuel injectors boosting power by 13bhp to 163bhp.

The 3.0-litre V6 diesel will be offered in two different states of tune: 190bhp and 224bhp. Also under development is a performance-oriented version of this engine with three turbochargers and claimed to deliver 286bhp along with a hefty 467lb ft. It could be sold under the AMG name.

The new car retains rear-wheel drive, a six-speed manual gearbox as standard and a seven-speed automatic as an option across the range. Mercedes-Benz’s 4Matic four-wheel-drive system will also be available, on C350 and C320 CDI models only, though there’s no word yet on whether it will be offered in the UK.

Inside, there will be new cabin architecture, improved quality and a longer list of optional features. The dashboard design centres around a new rotary controller that’s set to make its debut in the next S-class. Mercedes’ answer to BMW’s iDrive and Audi’s MMI system operates in tandem with a new multi-function steering wheel that’s likely to be standard across the range. Options will include high-intensity air conditioning, Keyless Go, Distronic cruise control and dynamic seats.

Mercedes-Benz has also been working on improving the driving position of its new models. After feedback provided by Autocar, Mercedes Research and Technology board member Dr Thomas Weber has committed to improving the driving position in some right-hand-drive Mercedes, after problems with an uncomfortable driving position caused by pedals offset to the right and a steering wheel offset to the left. Weber assured Autocar that ‘the problem will not be there in future models.’

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No more 4 cyl. in C-Class (USA)

New engines for 2006
http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container...jsp&body=sedan

The C230 has now a V6 2.5L at 29975$ insterad of the supercharged 1.8. More prepared to compete with the upcoming IS250.

The TSX should have a V6 as well....
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Damn! Why are these cars so friggin expensive?
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^^ silver arrow, hellooooooo......
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Damn! Why are these cars so friggin expensive?
the world may never know. defenders will probably give you a bunch of excuses, but the bottom line is that german cars are overpriced.
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first it starts with the c-class, than it will spread throughout MBs line up and than on to other brands, muahahahahahahahahahah
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Nice to know that the raspy little 4-banger is outta there. That engine seriously un-refined and noisy. Don't know if it was tuned to be "sporty" sounding or what...but the TSX's engine sounded FAR better, and further, I'd be so bold to say that the Civic had a smoother (when idling) engine.

Anyone else find it interesting that Mercedes offers three mainstream engine choices, while BMW and Audi only offer two?
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the world may never know. defenders will probably give you a bunch of excuses, but the bottom line is that german cars are overpriced.

Must be true since no one buys them. You are so smart!
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It's funny how the 2.5L matched the IS250's HP at 201HP

Also, now we know exactly how much power the SLK280 will make. 228HP.
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Originally Posted by iNteGraz92
the world may never know. defenders will probably give you a bunch of excuses, but the bottom line is that german cars are overpriced.
I agree.
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Originally Posted by SPUDMTN
Nice to know that the raspy little 4-banger is outta there. That engine seriously un-refined and noisy. Don't know if it was tuned to be "sporty" sounding or what...but the TSX's engine sounded FAR better, and further, I'd be so bold to say that the Civic had a smoother (when idling) engine.

Anyone else find it interesting that Mercedes offers three mainstream engine choices, while BMW and Audi only offer two?

I would expect Honda to make a better 4 cylinder engine than MB any time. No surprise there. And yes, an MB C-Class with a 4 is kind of a disgrace so that the right move going forward.

MB offering three mainstream engines is another sign of them needing to go "down-market" bad due to financial distress patially from intensified competition.
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Wo! Just noticed that the C280's engine is actually a 3.0L engine.

3.0L 24-valve V-6 engine
Net Power228 hp @ 6,000 rpm
Net Torque221 lb-ft @ 2,700 - 5,000 rpm

I dont know what the marketing department is thinking. They call the one with the 2.5L engine a 230, but the one with a 3.0L engine, a 280.

About the former, it must have something to do with the fact that the 240 is equipped with a 2.6L engine if I remember correctly. Or was, for that matter.

So for the latter, it might mean that a more powerful 3.0L may be on the way?
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Wo! Just noticed that the C280's engine is actually a 3.0L engine.

3.0L 24-valve V-6 engine
Net Power228 hp @ 6,000 rpm
Net Torque221 lb-ft @ 2,700 - 5,000 rpm

I dont know what the marketing department is thinking. They call the one with the 2.5L engine a 230, but the one with a 3.0L engine, a 280.

About the former, it must have something to do with the fact that the 240 is equipped with a 2.6L engine if I remember correctly. Or was, for that matter.

So for the latter, it might mean that a more powerful 3.0L may be on the way?
BMW does the same thing with the 3 Series. The 325 is still a 3.0 as well.
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Damn! Why are these cars so friggin expensive?
People buy them because everyone knows they are expensive. These people don't buy the car, they buy the "Mercedes" brand. They want to show off, and let others think they are wealthy even though many aren't !
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BMW does the same thing with the 3 Series. The 325 is still a 3.0 as well.

I know
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People buy them because everyone knows they are expensive. These people don't buy the car, they buy the "Mercedes" brand. They want to show off, and let others think they are wealthy even though many aren't !

How did those brands get that image? Had to be from a history of feel-good-products. Didnt happen just because the price tag is high.

Jacking up the price wont get someone to buy a car for status. The new RL proved that .
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Originally Posted by iNteGraz92
the world may never know. defenders will probably give you a bunch of excuses, but the bottom line is that german cars are overpriced.
It's about half that, and half that the Euro is also currently overpriced.
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How did those brands get that image? Had to be from a history of feel-good-products. Didnt happen just because the price tag is high.

Jacking up the price wont get someone to buy a car for status. The new RL proved that .
Those brands can sell expensive because they are Imports, and the fact that they had been churning out big high-priced luxury cars many years back when others were still selling small, cheap and basic cars. So they have many years head start to build up their brand image, and jack up the car price. But it's a lot harder now because the market is flooding with luxury cars, with even Hyundai and Kia are trying to release luxury cars.
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TSXish, but thats not a bad thing. I like it.
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Looks like a Chrysler.
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oooh i like.... and 410bhp on the AMG??!!!
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the headlights look like the 5/7 series bmw headlights. or even the scion tc headlights.

mainly because of that clear bar going across the top of the headlamp.
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