McLaren: F1 News
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McLaren Just Spent 18 Months Restoring This F1 GTR
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McLaren F1 GTR
This is one of 5 GTR's ever built, that was at the 2017 Amelia Concours.
Reposting of these photo's I took but figure F1 fans would like to see them,
Reposting of these photo's I took but figure F1 fans would like to see them,
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https://www.motor1.com/news/308253/m...ing-successor/
McLaren has labeled the Speedtail as being a spiritual successor of the iconic F1, but Gordon Murray sees things differently. In his interview with Road and Track, the F1’s designer said: “I truly believe nobody's done another McLaren F1 since the F1.” He went on to mention none of the other high-end cars that came after it had the F1’s main attributes: “single-person focused design, lightweight, [focused] on driver feedback and feel, the V-12 sound, the feedback in the steering. . . and the attention to the detail of the engineering.”
For these reasons, Murray believes the time has come for a true successor that lives up to the F1’s legend status. He argues it’s now or never taking into account the automotive industry is shifting towards electrification and that means the combustion engine will sooner or later be retired. In order to remain faithful to the original F1, the man behind the new company called IGM says the car will feature a naturally aspirated V12 engine hooked up to a manual gearbox.
Rather than adopting the iStream chassis design serving as the core of IGM’s entry-level performance car, the new F1 tribute will rely on a carbon monocoque. Road and Track says Murray dropped hints about implementing the same three-seat cabin configuration of the F1, with the driver obviously sitting in the center.
ocus will also be on keeping the curb weight as low as possible, with Murray promising it’s going to tip the scales at less than 1,000 kilograms (2,204 pounds). It’s a remarkable figure when you take into account the McLaren F1 had a slightly higher dry weight of 1,108 kg (2,244 lbs). In addition, the new one will certainly have to meet more stringent regulations regarding safety, which will obviously come with a weight penalty. Even though it’ll be a tad lighter than its source of inspiration, the new F1 will actually be a bit bigger.
It’s too early to talk about pricing, but it goes without saying it won’t be affordable. Production will be limited and IGM is already looking to attract buyers, even though the car won’t be officially revealed until sometime in 2020.
For these reasons, Murray believes the time has come for a true successor that lives up to the F1’s legend status. He argues it’s now or never taking into account the automotive industry is shifting towards electrification and that means the combustion engine will sooner or later be retired. In order to remain faithful to the original F1, the man behind the new company called IGM says the car will feature a naturally aspirated V12 engine hooked up to a manual gearbox.
Rather than adopting the iStream chassis design serving as the core of IGM’s entry-level performance car, the new F1 tribute will rely on a carbon monocoque. Road and Track says Murray dropped hints about implementing the same three-seat cabin configuration of the F1, with the driver obviously sitting in the center.
ocus will also be on keeping the curb weight as low as possible, with Murray promising it’s going to tip the scales at less than 1,000 kilograms (2,204 pounds). It’s a remarkable figure when you take into account the McLaren F1 had a slightly higher dry weight of 1,108 kg (2,244 lbs). In addition, the new one will certainly have to meet more stringent regulations regarding safety, which will obviously come with a weight penalty. Even though it’ll be a tad lighter than its source of inspiration, the new F1 will actually be a bit bigger.
It’s too early to talk about pricing, but it goes without saying it won’t be affordable. Production will be limited and IGM is already looking to attract buyers, even though the car won’t be officially revealed until sometime in 2020.
#165
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Follow-on to the above post, getting closer to a dedicated thread for this car.
https://carbuzz.com/news/mclaren-f1-...v12-perfection
https://carbuzz.com/news/mclaren-f1-...v12-perfection
More details are beginning to come out regarding famed designer Gordon Murray’s all-new hypercar. Murray, of course, designed the iconic McLaren F1. It has gone down as the greatest analog hypercar of all time. In many ways, it was also the first hypercar. Only 106 examples were built and we’ve recently seen sale prices go for nearly $20 million each. And now Murray is at it again, determined to build a new hypercar that essentially picks up right where the F1 left off.
The Supercar Blog has some updates regarding the hypercar, codenamed T50. According to a source who recently saw the finished car in person, the overall design looks a lot like a modern-day McLaren F1. "Think of a McLaren F1, but 30 years later,” the source reported.
We do expect, however, that the T50 was not designed using CAD software, like the F1. Design software has come a long way since the early 1990s. Assuming the source actually saw the car (and if the source is real), then we figure Murray purposely used a lot of F1-influence in order to draw a direct connection between the two cars. That connection will also be found by way of a V12 engine. Now, here’s where things get interesting.
The T50 will be powered by a naturally aspirated V12 that will be lighter and more compact than the NA V12 that’ll power the upcoming Aston Martin Valkyrie. Equally important, the T50 will weigh less than 2,200 pounds. We also don’t know where the V12 is being sourced from. The McLaren F1’s V12 came from BMW. One potential supplier candidate is Cosworth, who just so happens to be the supplier for the Aston Martin Valkyrie’s V12. It’s reported to produce over 1,000 hp.
Aston Martin also recently told us this V12 weighs less than its V8s. Given the T50’s aforementioned total weight, its V12 will also have to be extremely light, regardless of whoever builds it. Bear in mind it’s hard to find a mainstream automaker still producing NA V12s these days. Details including power output, total production count, pricing, and a reveal date have yet to be announced. About a year we ago we learned Murray planned to reveal his new hypercar sometime this year, so here’s hoping the countdown clock has started ticking.
The Supercar Blog has some updates regarding the hypercar, codenamed T50. According to a source who recently saw the finished car in person, the overall design looks a lot like a modern-day McLaren F1. "Think of a McLaren F1, but 30 years later,” the source reported.
We do expect, however, that the T50 was not designed using CAD software, like the F1. Design software has come a long way since the early 1990s. Assuming the source actually saw the car (and if the source is real), then we figure Murray purposely used a lot of F1-influence in order to draw a direct connection between the two cars. That connection will also be found by way of a V12 engine. Now, here’s where things get interesting.
The T50 will be powered by a naturally aspirated V12 that will be lighter and more compact than the NA V12 that’ll power the upcoming Aston Martin Valkyrie. Equally important, the T50 will weigh less than 2,200 pounds. We also don’t know where the V12 is being sourced from. The McLaren F1’s V12 came from BMW. One potential supplier candidate is Cosworth, who just so happens to be the supplier for the Aston Martin Valkyrie’s V12. It’s reported to produce over 1,000 hp.
Aston Martin also recently told us this V12 weighs less than its V8s. Given the T50’s aforementioned total weight, its V12 will also have to be extremely light, regardless of whoever builds it. Bear in mind it’s hard to find a mainstream automaker still producing NA V12s these days. Details including power output, total production count, pricing, and a reveal date have yet to be announced. About a year we ago we learned Murray planned to reveal his new hypercar sometime this year, so here’s hoping the countdown clock has started ticking.
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#167
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Any of you BoostedJack-rich? LM for sale at Sotheby's...posted some of the gorgeous pics in the Car Photo Thread but here's the article, details, and a bit more pics: https://gtspirit.com/2019/07/20/rm-s...fication-sale/
They say money does not buy happiness...
Such fools.
They say money does not buy happiness...
Such fools.
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How does the F1 go against the Senna and P1...?
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The F1 is impossibly special, he says. Probably just exaggerating
Yeah, that's definitely it
Yeah, that's definitely it
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#172
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IIRC, the F1 is st ill the fastest car in the world, in N/A form.
Every fastest car that has come after it has had forced induction.
Every fastest car that has come after it has had forced induction.
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"It Will Not Go Any More Than 391"
Designer Gordon Murray is at the front left
On an April day in 1987, the world's fastest cars couldn't catch a 211 mph twin-turbo Ruf known as the Yellowbird. While Alois Ruf was celebrating, on the other side of the water, a South African racing engineer named Gordon Murray was just past his first Grand Prix with McLaren. He was off to a good start, since Prost won it for the team in Brazil.
Throughout the following four years, the Woking-based F1 team scored three drivers' and four constructor championships. Murray also had the ambition to create the world's finest motorcar, getting the most out of McLaren's carbon fiber technology and engineering know-how.
What Made the McLaren F1 the World's Greatest Car
Murray sketched the F1 on his way home from Milan following the 1988 Italian Grand Prix. Back in England, his proposal to the boss was fairly straightforward: let's make the best road car the world has ever seen, my way, or no way. Once Dennis agreed to essentially finance the whole experiment on his own, McLaren started to put together a team, poaching a number of key employees from Lotus, including designer Peter Stevens.
The late eighties were optimistic times fueled by an economic bubble, which meant carmakers couldn't work quickly enough to give the nouveau riche the extravagant supercars they deserved. McLaren's first road car fit the bill, set from the start to become the most expensive of them all.
Murray did a lot of benchmarking, ending up with the conclusion that he likes the proportions of the BMW M1, the steering and handling of the Lotus Elan, the shifter of the Honda NSX, and the air intake of Formula-1 cars. Powered by BMW's amazing 627 horsepower V12, the resulting McLaren F1 debuted in Monaco in 1992.
The F1 knew no compromise. It was built around a carbon fiber monocoque, with parts made of titanium and magnesium instead of steel or aluminum. Its heat shield was layered with gold, its electronics came straight from the motorsport catalog, and its naturally-aspirated, dry-sump engine paired variable valve timing and instant throttle response with unmatched power.
Yet the car was never designed to be the fastest in the world. Nobody at McLaren cared for that.
Inspired by Colin Chapman, Murray's dream was to see Formula One technology built into a road car. The F1 did that, and more.
Its driver sat in the center, yet the car was a three-seater, with sufficient luggage space. It had no driver aids, but it generated negative lift at speed, without having wings. Operation was via a Nardi steering wheel, a precise six-speed manual, a titanium pedal box and the handbrake lever featuring an insert of Murray's favorite South African wood. Everything mattered.
The F1 was unique, reliable, and fast. So fast, in fact that some people started to wonder about its potential as a racing car. The rest, you probably know already. Although Murray never planned to take it racing, the mildly modified F1 GTR finished its Le Mans debut in 1995 with a 1-3-4-5-13.
While McLaren continued to develop the GTR for another two years, the road cars didn't sell as well as they'd hoped. The original plan was to make 300 F1s, but once the bubble burst and the money was gone, supercars became much tougher to sell. To make matters worse, due to McLaren not wasting cars to satisfy federal crash regulations, the F1 wasn't really legal in the United States.
Production stopped in 1998 after the last six cars were built, bringing the total to 106 units, not including one chassis the company kept as a spare. But while busy hands were laying carbon fiber in Woking, McLaren's own F1, XP5 also became the fastest car in the world.
Why in 1998 instead of six years before? Mainly because, although it wasn't a priority, after it won Le Mans on its first try, everybody wanted to see what else the car could do. And since on the 31st of March, 1998, Volkswagen was still three months from signing the check for the Bugatti brand, the world's only dedicated oval was still open for McLaren's business.
The engineering team knew they could top 231 miles per hour, since the formerly Gordon Murray-owned XP3 has already proven that during development. That's also why the odometer shows 231 in the F1 Owners' Manual, hand-drawn by Mark Roberts. But 627 horses and the F1's gearing suggested the car could do more. And to see how much more, McLaren's hauler drove Andy Wallace through Volkswagen's gates.
By then, XP5, the car wearing the K8 MCL plates was five years old, complete with its well-worn tow hook milled from a solid block of aluminum. In retrospect, Andy Wallace believes he only went with the program above 380 km/h because he was "young and stupid" at the time.
What's for sure is that following the first run, he immediately asked the team for more revs. Like, a thousand more. And with the S70/2's redline now raised to 8500rpm, it all came down to keeping his foot in it once the car's nose started to get alarmingly light blasting down Ehra Lessien's 5.4 mile straight.
That day ended with a top speed of 391 km/h (243mph), with Wallace describing the palm-sweating experience like this:
391...391. It will not go any more than 391. But anyway, 391 is quite fast, isn't it? Appropriately, we've got the fuel light on. Gearbox temperature reached 130 degrees, everything else is fine. I still say this is the best car ever built, ever, and will probably never be beaten.
With an average of 386.7 km/h (240.1 mph), the 1993 McLaren F1 is still the fastest naturally-aspirated car in the world.
Today, XP5 lives a happy life on permanent display on the 'boulevard' of the McLaren Technology Centre in Woking. In the hidden rooms behind it, McLaren's engineers are working on their next car, which is set to do at least 243 mph.
Throughout the following four years, the Woking-based F1 team scored three drivers' and four constructor championships. Murray also had the ambition to create the world's finest motorcar, getting the most out of McLaren's carbon fiber technology and engineering know-how.
What Made the McLaren F1 the World's Greatest Car
Murray sketched the F1 on his way home from Milan following the 1988 Italian Grand Prix. Back in England, his proposal to the boss was fairly straightforward: let's make the best road car the world has ever seen, my way, or no way. Once Dennis agreed to essentially finance the whole experiment on his own, McLaren started to put together a team, poaching a number of key employees from Lotus, including designer Peter Stevens.
The late eighties were optimistic times fueled by an economic bubble, which meant carmakers couldn't work quickly enough to give the nouveau riche the extravagant supercars they deserved. McLaren's first road car fit the bill, set from the start to become the most expensive of them all.
Murray did a lot of benchmarking, ending up with the conclusion that he likes the proportions of the BMW M1, the steering and handling of the Lotus Elan, the shifter of the Honda NSX, and the air intake of Formula-1 cars. Powered by BMW's amazing 627 horsepower V12, the resulting McLaren F1 debuted in Monaco in 1992.
The F1 knew no compromise. It was built around a carbon fiber monocoque, with parts made of titanium and magnesium instead of steel or aluminum. Its heat shield was layered with gold, its electronics came straight from the motorsport catalog, and its naturally-aspirated, dry-sump engine paired variable valve timing and instant throttle response with unmatched power.
Yet the car was never designed to be the fastest in the world. Nobody at McLaren cared for that.
Inspired by Colin Chapman, Murray's dream was to see Formula One technology built into a road car. The F1 did that, and more.
Its driver sat in the center, yet the car was a three-seater, with sufficient luggage space. It had no driver aids, but it generated negative lift at speed, without having wings. Operation was via a Nardi steering wheel, a precise six-speed manual, a titanium pedal box and the handbrake lever featuring an insert of Murray's favorite South African wood. Everything mattered.
The F1 was unique, reliable, and fast. So fast, in fact that some people started to wonder about its potential as a racing car. The rest, you probably know already. Although Murray never planned to take it racing, the mildly modified F1 GTR finished its Le Mans debut in 1995 with a 1-3-4-5-13.
While McLaren continued to develop the GTR for another two years, the road cars didn't sell as well as they'd hoped. The original plan was to make 300 F1s, but once the bubble burst and the money was gone, supercars became much tougher to sell. To make matters worse, due to McLaren not wasting cars to satisfy federal crash regulations, the F1 wasn't really legal in the United States.
Production stopped in 1998 after the last six cars were built, bringing the total to 106 units, not including one chassis the company kept as a spare. But while busy hands were laying carbon fiber in Woking, McLaren's own F1, XP5 also became the fastest car in the world.
Why in 1998 instead of six years before? Mainly because, although it wasn't a priority, after it won Le Mans on its first try, everybody wanted to see what else the car could do. And since on the 31st of March, 1998, Volkswagen was still three months from signing the check for the Bugatti brand, the world's only dedicated oval was still open for McLaren's business.
The engineering team knew they could top 231 miles per hour, since the formerly Gordon Murray-owned XP3 has already proven that during development. That's also why the odometer shows 231 in the F1 Owners' Manual, hand-drawn by Mark Roberts. But 627 horses and the F1's gearing suggested the car could do more. And to see how much more, McLaren's hauler drove Andy Wallace through Volkswagen's gates.
By then, XP5, the car wearing the K8 MCL plates was five years old, complete with its well-worn tow hook milled from a solid block of aluminum. In retrospect, Andy Wallace believes he only went with the program above 380 km/h because he was "young and stupid" at the time.
What's for sure is that following the first run, he immediately asked the team for more revs. Like, a thousand more. And with the S70/2's redline now raised to 8500rpm, it all came down to keeping his foot in it once the car's nose started to get alarmingly light blasting down Ehra Lessien's 5.4 mile straight.
That day ended with a top speed of 391 km/h (243mph), with Wallace describing the palm-sweating experience like this:
391...391. It will not go any more than 391. But anyway, 391 is quite fast, isn't it? Appropriately, we've got the fuel light on. Gearbox temperature reached 130 degrees, everything else is fine. I still say this is the best car ever built, ever, and will probably never be beaten.
With an average of 386.7 km/h (240.1 mph), the 1993 McLaren F1 is still the fastest naturally-aspirated car in the world.
Today, XP5 lives a happy life on permanent display on the 'boulevard' of the McLaren Technology Centre in Woking. In the hidden rooms behind it, McLaren's engineers are working on their next car, which is set to do at least 243 mph.
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Still a fun fact to toss out when the 'fastest car in the world' comes up, that a 1993 car is still the fastest [N/A] car in the world. Everything else has been FI.
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^ From the photo above people would assume the diminuative guy with the thnning hair in the front right of the photo would be the engineer/designer. No that's Andy Wallace, LeMans winner and McLaren F1 test driver.
Last edited by Legend2TL; 11-04-2019 at 12:24 PM.
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Lewis hamilton spotted driving his mclaren f1 in l.a.
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McLaren F1 - Road Car Development Documentary
Long but very informative documentary of the F1 Development
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McLaren F1 - The Details
Some interesting details I never heard before about the F1
#179
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McLaren F1 chassis the inside story
Pretty interesting 7 minute video on the carbon composite chassis construction of the F1.
Didn't know it was done in a small facilty in the village of Salfords away from the main Woking McLaren facility.
The tooling and assembly jigs are impressive compared to other exotics (whose factories are were crude compared to this at the time).
Kinda sad the facility no longer exits. I assume the tooling and jigs are still around?
Last edited by Legend2TL; 02-20-2020 at 03:12 PM.
#180
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GTR Longtail for sale: https://www.autoblog.com/2020/03/25/...tail-for-sale/
They say money does not buy happiness...Such fools...
They say money does not buy happiness...Such fools...
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#182
I don't need the uber-rare GTR or an LM. Nor would I dare even ask for one with the HDF package.
I am but a simple man, and I am merely asking for a vanilla, plain-jane, base model F1 with no options at all. Don't think that is unreasonable in the slightest.
I am but a simple man, and I am merely asking for a vanilla, plain-jane, base model F1 with no options at all. Don't think that is unreasonable in the slightest.
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nist7 (08-05-2021)
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The McLaren F1 Is Still the Definition of the Perfect Supercar
https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews...fect-supercar/
Still beautiful today but I don't care for the green
Still beautiful today but I don't care for the green
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#186
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I think it looks pretty good in green
#187
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I'd take it in any color.
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nist7 (12-30-2020)
#188
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Racing Point Pink, still would drive.
#189
Ex-OEM King
Honestly, that green is my favorite lol.
#190
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I'm partial to the silver, but quite like the green.
#191
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Fav color for a F1 is Papaya Orange aka McLaren Orange, the color of the LM I saw at Amelia Concurs a few years ago.
Last edited by Legend2TL; 12-31-2020 at 10:42 AM.
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^ If I were going to choose a 'loud' color. Papaya would be my #1 choice.
#193
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If I was able to afford one of these I would give zero fucks what color it came in. Just ship it to McLaren and have them paint it green lol.
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nist7 (08-05-2021)
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Seriously, gorgeous in any color. Here it is in -yerrow.
And it's not wacist if I'm being wacist to my own kind.
And it's not wacist if I'm being wacist to my own kind.
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If I was allowed to pick though, it should not shock anyone that I'd want mine in white, please.
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McLaren F1-GTR #017R at Amelia Concours 2014
Some pics I took of a racing F1 GTR at Amelia Concours in 2014, despite being in the very capable drivers of Piquet/Sullivan/Concotto it only managed #8 place overall at 2016 LeMans
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McLaren F1 - The Science EXPLAINED
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^ Still fastest (naturally aspirated) car in the world.
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