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Old 01-27-2014, 08:57 PM   #1
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McLaren: 650S News **MSO R Versions Revealed (page 3)**

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McLaren is reportedly working on a new supercar to fill the void in its lineup between the 12C and the million-dollar-plus P1. Such positioning would put the new McLaren, code-named the P15, up against the likes of the Ferrari F12 Berlinetta and Lamborghini Aventador LP 700-4.
News of the P15’s existence was confirmed to Autocar by McLaren Automotive boss Mike Flewitt. He is reported to have said the car will feature a carbon fiber monocoque chassis and mid-mounted twin-turbo V-8, and is still quite some time away from launch.

Flewitt’s description of the car suggests McLaren is likely to once again utilize its flexible MonoCell carbon tub found in the 12C and the P1. The engine, too, sounds like it will be a version of the Ricardo-sourced twin-turbocharged 3.8-liter V-8 found in those same models. How this will sit with supercar buyers remains to be seen, though it didn’t hamper sales of the P1, all 375 of which were sold before production of the car had even started.

Before the arrival of the P15, McLaren will launch some additional models. Later this year we’re expecting to see a hardcore version of the 12C designed to take on Ferrari’s 458 Speciale, and in 2015 we should see McLaren launch an all-new car, an entry-level model which goes by the internal code P13. The P13 will target the likes of the Ferrari California and high-end Porsche 911 variants, and yes, it too will feature McLaren’s MonoCell carbon tub and the Ricardo-sourced twin-turbo V-8.

Interestingly, Flewitt is also said to have mentioned a P1 successor in his interview with Autocar, allegedly explaining that it would only arrive after battery and electric drive systems have taken significant leaps forward.
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I thought the P1 was named after pole position. So the P15 is expected to fill the back of the grid?
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^^ The more "affordable" model won't get you the pole.
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^^ The more "affordable" model won't get you the pole.
Thank God, I'll be getting this one.

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McLaren has released the first photo of a new supercar the company is planning to unveil at the 2014 Geneva Motor Show early next month. The new model is called the 650S and it will sit somewhere between the 12C and P1 in McLaren’s hierarchy of road-going models.

This means that the 650S is not the planned P13 entry-level model but more likely a hardcore version of the current 12C, something akin to Ferrari’s 458 Speciale and Lamborghini’s Gallardo Squadra Corse.

We recently heard that McLaren is planning a hardcore version of the 12C with around 650 horsepower, and the fact that the new model’s name is 650S hints strongly that the rumors are true.

McLaren says the 650S will benefit from lessons learned in developing both the 12C and P1. We suspect that the 650S will take the basic 12C platform and improve it with aerodynamic solutions developed for the P1.

We’ll have all the details soon, as the 2014 Geneva Motor Show gets underway in just a couple of weeks.
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Two more leaked images...I think it looks fantastic.


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Some information about 650S from here: http://www.leftlanenews.com/mclaren-...#ixzz2tbWH7cDJ

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McLaren has published a preliminary set of details about the 2015 650S that will greet the public for the first time at next month's Geneva Motor Show.

The 650S is designed to fill the large gap between the MP4-12C and the P1. Offered as a coupe and as a convertible, McLaren's latest creation stands out from the 12C on which it's based thanks to a unique front fascia that is noticeably inspired by the aforementioned P1. McLaren says the 650S gives an accurate preview of the design language that will influence all of its upcoming vehicles over the next few years.

The 12C's gill-shaped air vents have been replaced by one large vent on each side while the rear end is carried over to the 650S essentially unchanged. Model-specific alloy wheels mounted on low-profile Pirelli P-Zero tires finish off the look.

The 650S boasts a sporty, well-appointed cabin whose design closely mirrors the 12C's cockpit. Buyers with extra deep pockets can order the car with real carbon fiber trim on the dashboard, the door panels and on the steering wheel.

Although it is billed as a pure driver's car, the 650S is by no means a stripped-down track car and it comes standard with a color touch screen located on the slanted center console that groups the car's navigation, connectivity and entertainment functions into a single unit. The list of options includes an electronically-adjustable steering column and parking sensors on both ends.

Power comes from an evolution of the 12C's 3.8-liter V8 engine that has been tuned to churn out 650 horsepower. Performance figures are being kept under wraps until the car's official debut but we wouldn't be surprised to see the 650S reach 62 mph from a stop in less than three seconds.

A complete set of details about the 650S will emerge closer to the car's debut in Geneva.
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The initial report pointed to it being a "new supercar", not a MP4-12C with a different front end and engine and other performance improvements. I have to say my first reaction was one of disappointment haha. Should have called it a MP4-12C Speciale or something.

I do think the front end looks fairly better than the the regular MP4-12C.
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McLaren Automotive will return to the International Geneva Motor Show this year with its fastest, most engaging, best equipped and most beautiful series-production supercar yet.

The McLaren 650S joins the range as an additional model alongside the 12C and sold-out McLaren P1™, and learns from both models as well as 50 years of competing in the highest levels of motorsport. Available as a fixed-head coupé or as a Spider, with a retractable folding hard top, the McLaren 650S promises to redefine the high performance supercar segment, and has been designed and developed to provide the ultimate in driver engagement on the road and on the race track.

The 650S badge designation refers to the power output – 650PS (641 bhp), - of the unique British-built McLaren M838T twin turbo V8 engine. ‘S’ stands for ‘Sport’, underlining the focus and developments made to handling, transmission, drivability and engagement. Performance figures will be confirmed ahead of the Geneva Show but will improve on the already rapid 12C which continues on sale.
The design is inspired by the McLaren P1™, previewing a new family design language. The front bumper gives the McLaren 650S a dramatic, yet clean appearance and sits below new LED headlamps which reflect a similar look to the McLaren P1™. The more integrated front splitter contributes to increased levels of downforce, giving a greater level of steering feeling and confidence to the driver on turn-in, while also adding to the agility and the car’s handling balance. Unique door blades behind the front wheels direct air from the trailing edges of the front splitter, further benefiting front-end grip and vehicle balance.

The aerodynamic performance of the McLaren 650S is as efficient as the 12C, boasting the same drag coefficient figure, yet the air is being worked harder and more efficiently as it flows over, and through, the functional bodywork. At 150 mph, downforce levels are increased by 24 percent.

‘As always with McLaren, the new design is there for good engineering reasons,’says McLaren Automotive CEO Mike Flewitt. ‘The newly designed front bumper improves downforce and steering turn-in. The high speed handling balance is now even better. The LED lights use less power and last longer.
Unique side intakes behind the dihedral doors feed large, efficiently packaged, radiators which help provide the cooling requirements of the mid-mounted, compact engine. A new design five-spoke lightweight forged ‘650S’ alloy wheel is unique to the model, and are fitted with Pirelli P Zero™ Corsa tyres to offer optimised roadholding, handling and driver feedback – the bespoke ‘MC1’ branded tyres have been developed alongside the McLaren 650S by McLaren technology partner Pirelli, and offer strong performance in normal road conditions and on track.

The McLaren 650S builds on experience from success on the track, and groundbreaking technologies fitted to other McLaren models. Active aerodynamics, which feature on both the 12C and McLaren P1™, have been further developed and honed to ensure the ultimate performance and ability for the McLaren 650S. The McLaren Airbrake, originally fitted to the 12C and 12C Spider and designed to offer optimised levels of downforce on the rear of the car, now operates with a greater level of functionality providing increased stability. The newly developed system means the Airbrake deploys whenever the car senses extra downforce is advisable – rather than simply under braking or when manually operated in ‘Aero’ mode. Below the Airbrake, a distinctive rear three-piece bumper, similar to the GT3 racing version of the 12C, compliments the aerodynamic shaping of the McLaren 650S.

The pioneering ProActive Chassis Control (PCC) suspension system, developed by McLaren, has been further enhanced for the McLaren 650S. A feature of the system is the ability to adjust the ride and handling modes – Normal / Sport / Track – in isolation from the drivetrain, which gives complete freedom in terms of ride and handling. These settings, for both powertrain and suspension, have been recalibrated to improve driver engagement. The updates are especially noticeable in Sport mode.

‘McLaren is a fast moving company, continually striving for improvements and technical advantages. We are always seeking to innovate, to be the class leaders, to bring new technologies and thinking to market. That’s our Formula 1 heritage shining through,’ explains Mike Flewitt. ‘Everything we’ve learnt from the 12C and the McLaren P1™ has gone into the design and development of the McLaren 650S.’

The McLaren 650S is designed to be the best and most engaging driver’s car in its class, yet it is not a stripped out road racer. Ride comfort and refinement are to executive saloon standards. The McLaren 650S models are equipped with IRIS satellite navigation with Bluetooth telephony, DAB digital radio (SIRIUS satellite radio in North America), wireless tethering, audio streaming and voice control as standard, while also offering enhanced levels of optional specification than previously offered. Options include fixed-back carbon racing seats, based on the lightweight design found in the McLaren P1™, an electric steering column adjustment assisting ingress and egress, a rear parking camera and extended carbon fibre throughout the interior.

The global reveal of the McLaren 650S Coupéand Spider will take place on Stand 1240, Hall 1 at 12.00CET (11.00GMT) on Tuesday, 4 March 2014 at the 84th International Geneva Motor Show.
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Like any true supercar, McLaren's 650S isn't best measured against its straight-line acceleration yardsticks--but that's not to say it isn't blisteringly quick. Today, McLaren revealed the performance specs for its Goldilocks model ahead of its debut at the 2014 Geneva Motor Show next week.
Built to slot between the P1 hypercar and the 12C supercar, the 650S defies the possibility of any naming convention while perfectly hitting its marks.

The nitty gritty: the 650S rockets off the line to 62 mph in just 3.0 seconds, meaning it should hit 60 mph for us Yanks in about 2.9; 0-124 mph comes in just 8.4 seconds; and it rattles off the quarter mile in 10.5 seconds at 139 mph. Top speed? 207 mph. Braking? 62 mph-zero in 100 feet, 124 mph-zero in 404 feet, and 186 mph-zero in 889 feet.

McLaren's newest supercar owes its brisk performance to its potent 641-horsepower twin-turbo V-8 engine and sophisticated power delivery system. The 650S's relatively light weight of 2,932 pounds dry, which yields a power-to-weight factor of 437 horsepower per ton (or 4.57 pounds per horsepower) also helps.

Despite its exceedingly fleet-footed nature, on the EU combined cycle, the McLaren 650S scores 24.2 mpg--a figure that will likely translate into the low-20-mpg range for EPA use.

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Those are some seriously amazing performance numbers for road car, let alone a 1L street sport bike.
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McLaren Automotive has now released images and full information for the convertible version of its latest model, the McLaren 650S, unveiled at the 84th International Geneva Motor Show. The McLaren 650S Spider is a no compromise open-top high performance sports car offering the same performance, handling and driver enjoyment, with the addition of a two-piece retractable hard top. The latest model is shown in Tarocco Orange, a new addition to the McLaren colour collection, developed with technology partner AkzoNobel.

The McLaren 650S Spider is mechanically identical to the 650S Coupé and is fitted with the unique McLaren M838T twin turbo V8 engine, producing 650PS (641 bhp) and 678 Nm (500 lb ft). This means a 0-100 km/h (62 mph) sprint of 3.0 seconds, identical to the Coupé, and 200 km/h (124 mph) is reached in 8.6 seconds, only 0.2 seconds shy of the fixed-head model. Maximum speed is 329 km/h mph (204 mph). Fuel consumption and emissions remain the same for the 650S Spider, returning 24.2 mpg (11.7 l/100km) on the EU combined cycle and 275 g/km.

Most competitors do not offer high performance iterations as convertibles due to the compromises that invariably plague open-roof cars. These models will be heavier and have substantially less torsional rigidity, to the detriment of handling and ride.

The carbon fibre MonoCell chassis at the heart of the McLaren 650S requires no additional strengthening or reinforcing in open-top guise, and gives the 650S Spider identical handling and ride, and virtually identical straight-line performance figures. The overall weight of the 650S Spider is 1,370 kg (dry), an increase of only 40 kg over the Coupé, with this additional mass coming from the Retractable Hard Top and roof mechanism, and is less than any other car in its class.

The two-piece Retractable Hard Top can be automatically raised or lower in less than 17 seconds, and can be activated while stationary or at any speed up to 30km/h (19mph).

As with the 12C Spider, the 650S Spider uses a heated glass rear window, operating independently of the roof. With the roof down, the rear window acts as a wind deflector, reducing cabin buffeting. Roof up, the rear screen can be lowered to allow more engine noise – and driving drama – into the cabin, and for a semi-open top driving experience even when it is raining. When down, the roof is stowed beneath a body-coloured hard tonneau cover incorporated in the twin rear buttresses. With the roof raised, the area beneath the tonneau cover can be used as additional luggage space.

Rather than being a stripped out road racer, the 650S Coupé and 650 Spider models are fitted with a high level of luxury equipment as standard. Carbon ceramic brakes sit behind unique ‘650’ lightweight alloy wheels shod with Pirelli P Zero™ Corsa tyres, IRIS satellite navigation with Bluetooth telephony, DAB digital radio in Europe (SIRIUS satellite radio in North America), wireless tethering, audio streaming and voice control are all fitted as standard, and the cabin is fully trimmed in Alcantara.
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McLaren launches their online configurator for the 650S...build your own!
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It’s been a while since we last heard from McLaren Special Operations, McLaren Automotive’s official personalization department and the group responsible for 2012’s insane 12C-based X-1 supercar. This time around, MSO has developed some enhancements for the 650S supercar and is previewing them on a one-off concept that is about to embark on a tour of China in order to promote MSO’s services.

The first thing you’ll notice is the MSO-enhanced 650S’s menacing appearance. This is made possible with subtle upgrades made to the exterior bodywork and within the driver-focused cabin, and, as is the McLaren way, many of the enhancements not only improve the aesthetic appeal of the car but its performance as well.

Specific items include a new carbon fiber rear diffuser that helps boost downforce and works in conjunction with a new carbon splitter up front. Also up front is a new satin finish for the intake surrounds, which is matched by a similar finish used for the car’s new carbon side sills, engine cover and rear bumper.

MSO staff have also painted the special 650S in a new color called Agrigan Black. This is a metallic black specially developed in-house with a deep ruby red metallic flake. The paint gives off a two-tone look in changing light and contrasts with the extensive use of satin-finished carbon fiber highlights. The final exterior touch is a set of 650S-exclusive alloy wheels painted satin black.

For the interior, the concept gets fixed-back carbon fiber seats similar to those used in the P1 flagship. The seats position the occupants lower in the car and provide greater body support while also offering a weight saving of 33 pounds. Carbon fiber with the same satin finish used on the exterior can be found inside, which is further enhanced by the switchgear and bezels that are finished in contrasting gloss black.

While this particular 650S is strictly a concept, all of the upgrades mentioned can be ordered on the 650S and the 650S Spider convertible, and some can also be applied to the previous 12C.
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McLaren is definitely not holding back as they return to the supercar market!

I can't wait to see the 911 fighter they are developing...
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McLaren Special Operations, the bespoke division of McLaren Automotive, has released images of the MSO 650S Coupe Concept – a showcase of the MSO designed and engineered upgrades available for the McLaren 650S Coupe and 650S Spider, the latest models to join to the McLaren Automotive range. The model is being shown throughout China over the coming weeks and includes an array of bespoke MSO features, including a newly designed carbon fibre rear diffuser and MSO-branded carbon fibre side blades.

The striking MSO 650S Coupe Concept has a stealth-like, menacing appearence, with subtle upgrades made to the exterior bodywork and within the driver-focused cabin. The MSO 650S Coupe Concept is finished in ‘Agrigan Black’, which is a metallic black paint specially developed in-house with a deep ruby red metallic flake. This paint effect gives the exterior bodywork a dramatic colour change in direct sunlight, contrasting with the extensive use of satin-finished carbon fibre highlights. The lightweight carbon fibre accents, including the prominent front splitter and air intakes, are complemented by bespoke MSO carbon fibre side blades and the unique MSO ear diffuser.

The MSO branded side blades are a more aggressive, full length, interpretation of the door blades seen on the 650S Coupe and Spider models. Finished in satin, they offer increased improvements to the airflow along the edges of the bodywork, further optimising aerodynamic efficiency. At the rear, the GT3-inspired rear bumper features a carbon fibre centre section, and the lightweight material carries through to the carbon fibre airbrake and unique MSO rear diffuser. The engine bay has been further enhanced with satin black engine covers and a satin finish to all carbon fibre parts. The purposeful exterior look of the MSO 650S Coupe Concept is finished with the addition of a set of special satin black finished lightweight ‘650S’ alloy wheels, shod with Pirelli P Zero™ Corsa tyres.

Inside the cockpit, the one-off design showcase is fitted with the fixed-back carbon fibre racing seats, based on the lightweight design found in the McLaren P1™, finished in carbon black leather. The seats position the occupants lower in the car and provide superb levels of upper and lower body support, while offering a weight saving of 15kg. Satin carbon fibre features extensively throughout the cabin, which is further enhanced by the switchgear and bezels that are finished in contrasting gloss black.

The MSO 650S Coupe Concept is presented as a one-off design study, and MSO is monitoring reaction regarding any potential production examples. The MSO side blades and rear diffuser are available to order now from McLaren retailers, priced at £5,114 and £7,245 respectively for a new 650S. These styling upgrades can also be fitted to the 12C.
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McLaren GT has today confirmed that it will premiere its latest model at this year’s Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance, with the wraps set to come off the track-only 650S Sprint. The stripped-out racer will make its global debut alongside a number of other models from McLaren Automotive, and completes the brand’s display with four global debuts planned for the Californian event, including the McLaren P1™ GTR.

Based on the recently launched McLaren 650S Coupe, the track-focused 650S Sprint is fitted with developments to the Brake Steer system, even more refined active aerodynamics and a race set-up for the ProActive Chassis Control (PCC). These upgrades deliver a more engaging GT racing experience, without losing any of the refinement and balance found in the road car.

As with the 650S, the aerodynamically optimised design of the 650S Sprint offers increased levels of downforce, and the revised air intakes carried across from the road car allow for optimised cooling of the 3.8-litre twin-turbo M838T engine. In the 650S Sprint, the proven powerplant is retained from the 650S roadcar, with a unique engine and transmission calibration to further enhance on-track drivability and driver engagement.

The cabin is fully track-focused and stripped out to minimise weight, but with no compromise to driver safety or comfort. Built around the lightweight and inherently strong carbon fibre MonoCell chassis, the interior also features an FIA-approved rollcage to further cocoon the driver. A lightweight carbon fibre HANS-approved racing seat, with full six-point harness, offers an optimised driving position, while an air-conditioning system is retained adding comfort. An integrated fire extinguisher system is also installed.

McLaren GT recently announced the 650S GT3 race car, which will be seen on the grid from next season, and the 650S Sprint shares a number of design features with its bigger brother. A larger motorsport fuel ‘bag’ tank with quick-fill connectors is added, as is optimised cooling through the larger GT3-developed front radiator with a GT3-inspired bonnet integrating radiator exit ducts, and the addition of front wings louvres to further optimise airflow over, and around, the bodywork.

The first example of the 650S Sprint is shown with a new striking livery, in an inverted colour scheme of the 650S GT3 car shown at Goodwood Festival of Speed. Finished primarily in white, the design also features the new Tarocco Orange finish seen on the GT3, with subtle black and white detailing throughout.

The 650S Sprint has a lower ride height with recalibrated adaptive damping for revised spring rates, and sits on 19-inch centre-locking racing wheels, fitted with Pirelli slick or wet tyres, while an onboard air jacking system enables quick tyre changes. Stopping power is also enhanced and provided by a race-prepared braking system developed for the 650S Sprint. This system combines with the road car’s highly effective Brake Steer system and enhanced active aerodynamics to offer superior braking performance. This allows for later braking into corners, but also improved brake feel and greater cornering speeds.

A range of further options and upgrades are available including a CFD (computational fluid dynamics) developed aerodynamic package including carbon fibre rear wing and front splitter, a passenger seat with six-point harness, and further lightweight components including a polycarbonate windscreen.

The 650S Sprint will be priced at £198,000*, and available from all official McLaren retailers worldwide or direct from McLaren GT.
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The competition version of the Sprint posted here with some new info, videos, and etc.: https://acurazine.com/forums/motorsp...%2A%2A-913445/


Just tying the two threads together. FYI.
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The McLaren lineup is an ever-changing, constantly growing thing—a remarkable feat for a car company that’s only a few years old. With the new 625C, McLaren ventures into new territory: building a car specifically for one market.

Based on the Asian market’s preferences, McLaren has determined a few key changes are necessary to meet drivers’ needs and desires. Among them are greater comfort and easier accessibility. To that end, the 625C takes the 650S’s looks and tweaks the setup.

The changes include a revised ProActive Chassis Control setup, new suspension hardware, revised driving dynamics, and improved ride quality. New dampers and a softer rear spring rate are the key changes to setup.

Powered by the same 3.8-liter twin-turbo engine, but rated at 616 horsepower like the original 12C, the 625C is a unique offering, combining some of the 650S’s technical upgrades as well. Performance is still remarkable: 3.1 seconds to 62 mph, 8.8 seconds to 124 mph, and a top speed of 207 mph.

According to McLaren, the C in the name stands for “club,” which translates to “a more accessible and less extreme model in terms of character.”

McLaren has already seen plenty of sales in Asia, with the market accounting for 20 percent of its volume in 2013, a figure expected to grow to more than 33 percent in 2014.

Hong Kong will be the first market to get the 625C, in both coupe and convertible form at launch.
From here: Special McLaren 625C Launched For Asia, First Regional Model
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There is just crazy, retarded money in China right now.
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There is just crazy, retarded money in China and India right now.
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There is just crazy, retarded money in China right now.
Yup. The general comments I hear from people over in Macau/HK now at uber-boutiques is, if the customer does not speak Mandarin, forget it.



Over in Vegas, you see these Mainland peeps walking out with BAGS and BAGS of purchase stuff from LV stores...or buying multiple timepieces at Tonneau...insanity how much $$$ they have over there.
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