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Old 11-15-2004, 08:34 PM
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Stock vs stock

My RX8 will out run my CL-S in a straight line or on the track. No doubt about.
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Originally Posted by dkelly3854
Stock vs stock

My RX8 will out run my CL-S in a straight line or on the track. No doubt about.

is your CLS 5AT?
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Yea, its an auto.

Manual vs manual its even in a straight line...I raced my friends 03 6speed CL already.
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Originally Posted by dkelly3854
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My RX8 will out run my CL-S in a straight line or on the track. No doubt about.
I tend to agree. Despite some of the RX8 flaming here, it's not by ANY means a slow car. My friend's RX8 felt quicker/faster than my 02 Maxima and def revved faster than my other buddy's S2K.

That said, it's still a sales disaster for Mazda.
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I agree, they have not sold well, which is fine by me.
I got a damn good deal on one and the fewer they make, the more rare the car is.

But either way, I love the car.
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i still dont think the RX8 is faster then a 6mt CLS

i've driven it gotten my impression and i dont think its faster then a CLS
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Originally Posted by SanJoseRoller
i still dont think the RX8 is faster then a 6mt CLS

i've driven it gotten my impression and i dont think its faster then a CLS
Agreed.

Now, this new 6 is looking like hot shiit though...
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Originally Posted by SanJoseRoller
i still dont think the RX8 is faster then a 6mt CLS

i've driven it gotten my impression and i dont think its faster then a CLS

:imwithstupid:

The thing is a dog if it is not clutch dropped like a bastard. I think the 5-60 on it was in the mid 7's on the C&D review.

Perfectly driven by an expert and trashed it might, just might, beat out a manual CLS. Auto vs auto wont even be close, cl all the way.

Handles amazingly but man where is the torque.
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The thing is a dog if it is not clutch dropped like a bastard. I think the 5-60 on it was in the mid 7's on the C&D review.

Perfectly driven by an expert and trashed it might, just might, beat out a manual CLS. Auto vs auto wont even be close, cl all the way.

Handles amazingly but man where is the torque.

You know whats so sad. Someone gave me a negative for the above. if you disagreed how about posting a reason why? Maybe throw some facts as to why the RX8 is not a dog. Nope just a Nein and a neg.

Guessing it is a RX8 driver that is upset about the overstated hp
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Originally Posted by Chaptorial
Whoa glad to see Mazda is stepping it up a bit.

But why that cheap red interior lighting?
Ya Chap, I hate that somber audi-red lighting. Soft on the eyes they say? I sprained my eye just looking at the dash those pics.
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Originally Posted by 95gt
You know whats so sad. Someone gave me a negative for the above. if you disagreed how about posting a reason why? Maybe throw some facts as to why the RX8 is not a dog. Nope just a Nein and a neg.

Guessing it is a RX8 driver that is upset about the overstated hp
Ha! Same happened to me. The car is what it is, overpriced, (way)underpowered...Mazda missed the boat on the RX8...maybe some people have a hard time justifying their purchases/lack of research before buying.

Now, this new 6 sounds very promising. Anything with twin spools and that much torque is got to be hot.
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The tuners are going to be all over this car.
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i like the rx8 for its style and uniqueness and handling. the only place i feel it falls short is its power. price is probably not a huge issue cause they aren't selling well, so you can prob get under invoice
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
The tuners are going to be all over this car.

Agreed
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i also got a neg rep point for stating my opinon about the RX8

and for the AUTO RX8 we dont even have to mention the 2nd gens thats basically 3.0 game.
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This new 6 is hot! Maybe Ford could use the turbo engine for its anemic 500.
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Originally Posted by SanJoseRoller
i also got a neg rep point for stating my opinon about the RX8

and for the AUTO RX8 we dont even have to mention the 2nd gens thats basically 3.0 game.
Ha!...the 3.0l..........true, so true.
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Originally Posted by kansaiwalker1
This new 6 is hot! Maybe Ford could use the turbo engine for its anemic 500.
The new Mercury(twin of the 500) already has all-wheel drive too...

All that's left would be to share the engine.
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Originally Posted by kansaiwalker1
This new 6 is hot! Maybe Ford could use the turbo engine for its anemic 500.
As my light rail passes a Ford Dealer's inventory yard and I saw a few 500s, I was thinking likewise. That thing needs something because STYLE is one thing it doesnt have.
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Originally Posted by ianS
No bad translation! it should read:
"The Ford 3.0L is waste of time for improvement and we're scared it will blow up at any time even not touching it!"
Noble racing cars have been using twin turbo 3.0L Ford Duratec's with 340HP to 425HP for years and they've yet to fail on them under rigorous testing on the race track.

They probably didn't want to use a twin turbo V6 in the MPS6 cause it would've pushed the cost to high and placed it out of their demographic target.
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Under 30K for 274HP and AWD
The Legacy GT is pretty close to that.
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
All that power and still no place to use it.

I never understood the obsession with HP. Any car made today is quite capable of getting you a speeding ticket. The more power you have, the bigger the ticket.
But then again I'd like a fast car for the acceleration.
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Nice car but those tires look like they are 165s

And those vents look familiar ... Are they the same ones that are in the new Mustang?

I still want a Mondeo ST220
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not bad...not feeling the rear where the exhaust is though...

I like that center console waaaay better than the regular 6
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Pretty cool, but the back is a little strange looking. Overall very cool though
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that hood is ugly
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^^^^

Looks a little weird. have to see it in person. Like the whole package though
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Autoweek Review.

http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=101394

Deep Six: Mazda6 gets the MazdaSpeed treatment, and all the goodies that go with it
NATALIE NEFF
Published Date: 12/20/04

2006 MAZDASPEED 6 ON SALE: Summer
BASE PRICE: $29,000 (est.)
POWERTRAIN: 2.3-liter, 274-hp, 280-lb-ft turbocharged I4; awd, six-speed manual
CURB WEIGHT: 3630 pounds (est.)
0 TO 62 MPH: 6.6 seconds (mfr.)

Two years ago we let you in on a secret. We told you about a splendid little automobile that could not only fulfill familial obligations as well as any ol’ Toyota Camry, but it would slake an enthusiast thirst nearly as well as the standard-bearer BMW 3 Series, and for just about half the price.

Sounded like big talk at the time, we know, but you listened. And then you blabbed. To date you’ve helped convince about 135,000 to take the plunge on a Mazda6.

Well, lean in close, here’s another secret: Next summer Mazda will roll out the MazdaSpeed 6.

Penned with the enthusiast foremost in mind, the newest 6 arguably looks more its part than any MazdaSpeed-specified car in the stable. Its chunky, purposeful design remains largely true to the MPS concept car from the 2002 Paris show that foretold its coming, trading in only its five-door hatchback shape for that of a stiffer-bodied four-door sedan. A supersized lower air dam dips down deep in front, gulping up volumes more air than the base-model 6, beefed-up side sills wrap around the body and its five-point grille gets accentuated by a thick crossbar. Restyled taillights highlight the rear, with new twin exhaust pipes poking out below. The biggest change inside is the addition of nicely bolstered bucket seats. It’s a sleek design punctuated by forceful elements that speak to its sporting bent.

It’s a far cry from the likes of the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution or the Subaru Impreza WRX STi, and purposefully so. Mazda said it never considered a hood scoop or “the boy-racer look,” instead concentrating more on using richer materials and finishes to elevate the look of the car over its stock brethren. In fact, Mazda has its sights squared more on the Subaru Legacy GT as its primary competition, a 250-horse sport sedan styled in a similar manner: sleek and sporty. Whatever the philosophy behind the design, we think the MazdaSpeed 6 looks darn good.

And that ain’t even the half of it. Its conspicuously bulging hood doesn’t just hint at the goodies that lie beneath, it practically screams. And why not? Mazda took the base model’s four-banger, strapped it to a six-speed manual, slapped on a turbocharger and intercooler and shuttled power through the whole shebang to all four wheels. Ergo, MazdaSpeed.

Actually, the MazdaSpeed’s engine is a mostly new unit, based on the 2.3-liter four found in base 6s but equipped with steel connecting rods and crankshaft and direct gasoline injection. By injecting fuel directly into the cylinder, the atomization of the spray allows for a sort of cooling effect to occur, resulting in a denser charge and a 9.5:1 compression ratio, or much higher than is typical in turbocharged engines.

Combine that high compression with 15.6 psi of turbocharger boost and you get a whopping 274 hp and 280 lb-ft of torque—a full 54 more horsepower than in a standard 6, with 88 more lb-ft of torque. Better still, that torque band sits virtually flat between 2000 and 6000 rpm, making for easy access to power just about anywhere in the rev range, particularly in combination with its all-new wide-ratio six-speed manual.

That sounds like plenty of grunt to challenge the likes of the mighty Lancer Evo, with its 271 horses and 273 lb-ft of turbocharged four-cylinder power; the MazdaSpeed, however, falls a bit short on performance. Mazda claims its car will pull a 6.6-second 0-to-62-mph time, putting it more than a second off the Evo’s best—just 5.19 seconds (AW, Sept. 1, 2003). You can blame a hefty curb weight for much of that discrepancy. The MazdaSpeed 6 tips the scales at roughly 3630 pounds, almost 340 pounds heavier than the Mitsu and closer to 400 pounds more than a base-model 6.

Like the Evo, Mazda also equipped the MazdaSpeed 6 with a no-nonsense all-wheel-drive system to aid in laying down all that power. Depending on the car’s steering angle, yaw rate and lateral acceleration, and data gathered from the wheel-speed sensors and ABS control module, the hydraulic-type center differential can transfer up to 50 percent of the power rearward.

During our brief on-track time, we found the MazdaSpeed 6 incredibly easy to drive, and overall very satisfying. It tends to understeer on entry at every turn when pushed hard, requiring a serious amount of steering input to get the nose pointed toward the desired direction of travel, but the steering itself gives plenty of feedback and has a solid, weighty feel. After the initial turn-in you can feel the awd kick in, which allows for some rotation of the rear end, and from there the front end can in large part be directed by the throttle. The ride isn’t overly harsh; in fact, we found it to be surprisingly comfortable without being soft. It is difficult to power out of the turns at times, especially on damp asphalt, and the stability control tends to cut in a little too eagerly for our tastes. On dry pavement, however, the car easily charges out of turns, whether the DSC is activated or not. Overall, the 6 is tremendously forgiving of every gaffe, small and not so small, though we’d prefer perhaps a little less understeer.

Prices for the MazdaSpeed 6 haven’t been announced and probably won’t be until much closer to its on-sale date sometime next summer, but we’re guessing it will start at less than $30,000. And as the car only comes in one specification—awd, six-speed manual, sedan—prices shouldn’t climb much from there.
As for getting your hands on one, Mazda probably won’t make more than 5000 or so available, so if you’re in the market for upgrading your Mazda 6, you might want to keep this secret to yourself.

0-60 in 6.6. A tad conservative I think.
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Deep Six: Mazda6 gets the MazdaSpeed treatment, and all the goodies that go with it - - By NATALIE NEFF - -- Source: Autoweek

2006 MAZDASPEED 6 ON SALE: Summer
BASE PRICE: $29,000 (est.)
POWERTRAIN: 2.3-liter, 274-hp, 280-lb-ft turbocharged I4; awd, six-speed manual
CURB WEIGHT: 3630 pounds (est.)
0 TO 62 MPH: 6.6 seconds (mfr.)

Two years ago we let you in on a secret. We told you about a splendid little automobile that could not only fulfill familial obligations as well as any ol’ Toyota Camry, but it would slake an enthusiast thirst nearly as well as the standard-bearer BMW 3 Series, and for just about half the price.

Sounded like big talk at the time, we know, but you listened. And then you blabbed. To date you’ve helped convince about 135,000 to take the plunge on a Mazda6.

Well, lean in close, here’s another secret: Next summer Mazda will roll out the MazdaSpeed 6.

Penned with the enthusiast foremost in mind, the newest 6 arguably looks more its part than any MazdaSpeed-specified car in the stable. Its chunky, purposeful design remains largely true to the MPS concept car from the 2002 Paris show that foretold its coming, trading in only its five-door hatchback shape for that of a stiffer-bodied four-door sedan. A supersized lower air dam dips down deep in front, gulping up volumes more air than the base-model 6, beefed-up side sills wrap around the body and its five-point grille gets accentuated by a thick crossbar. Restyled taillights highlight the rear, with new twin exhaust pipes poking out below. The biggest change inside is the addition of nicely bolstered bucket seats. It’s a sleek design punctuated by forceful elements that speak to its sporting bent.

It’s a far cry from the likes of the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution or the Subaru Impreza WRX STi, and purposefully so. Mazda said it never considered a hood scoop or “the boy-racer look,” instead concentrating more on using richer materials and finishes to elevate the look of the car over its stock brethren. In fact, Mazda has its sights squared more on the Subaru Legacy GT as its primary competition, a 250-horse sport sedan styled in a similar manner: sleek and sporty. Whatever the philosophy behind the design, we think the MazdaSpeed 6 looks darn good.

And that ain’t even the half of it. Its conspicuously bulging hood doesn’t just hint at the goodies that lie beneath, it practically screams. And why not? Mazda took the base model’s four-banger, strapped it to a six-speed manual, slapped on a turbocharger and intercooler and shuttled power through the whole shebang to all four wheels. Ergo, MazdaSpeed.

Actually, the MazdaSpeed’s engine is a mostly new unit, based on the 2.3-liter four found in base 6s but equipped with steel connecting rods and crankshaft and direct gasoline injection. By injecting fuel directly into the cylinder, the atomization of the spray allows for a sort of cooling effect to occur, resulting in a denser charge and a 9.5:1 compression ratio, or much higher than is typical in turbocharged engines.

Combine that high compression with 15.6 psi of turbocharger boost and you get a whopping 274 hp and 280 lb-ft of torque—a full 54 more horsepower than in a standard 6, with 88 more lb-ft of torque. Better still, that torque band sits virtually flat between 2000 and 6000 rpm, making for easy access to power just about anywhere in the rev range, particularly in combination with its all-new wide-ratio six-speed manual.

That sounds like plenty of grunt to challenge the likes of the mighty Lancer Evo, with its 271 horses and 273 lb-ft of turbocharged four-cylinder power; the MazdaSpeed, however, falls a bit short on performance. Mazda claims its car will pull a 6.6-second 0-to-62-mph time, putting it more than a second off the Evo’s best—just 5.19 seconds (AW, Sept. 1, 2003). You can blame a hefty curb weight for much of that discrepancy. The MazdaSpeed 6 tips the scales at roughly 3630 pounds, almost 340 pounds heavier than the Mitsu and closer to 400 pounds more than a base-model 6.

Like the Evo, Mazda also equipped the MazdaSpeed 6 with a no-nonsense all-wheel-drive system to aid in laying down all that power. Depending on the car’s steering angle, yaw rate and lateral acceleration, and data gathered from the wheel-speed sensors and ABS control module, the hydraulic-type center differential can transfer up to 50 percent of the power rearward.

During our brief on-track time, we found the MazdaSpeed 6 incredibly easy to drive, and overall very satisfying. It tends to understeer on entry at every turn when pushed hard, requiring a serious amount of steering input to get the nose pointed toward the desired direction of travel, but the steering itself gives plenty of feedback and has a solid, weighty feel. After the initial turn-in you can feel the awd kick in, which allows for some rotation of the rear end, and from there the front end can in large part be directed by the throttle. The ride isn’t overly harsh; in fact, we found it to be surprisingly comfortable without being soft. It is difficult to power out of the turns at times, especially on damp asphalt, and the stability control tends to cut in a little too eagerly for our tastes. On dry pavement, however, the car easily charges out of turns, whether the DSC is activated or not. Overall, the 6 is tremendously forgiving of every gaffe, small and not so small, though we’d prefer perhaps a little less understeer.

Prices for the MazdaSpeed 6 haven’t been announced and probably won’t be until much closer to its on-sale date sometime next summer, but we’re guessing it will start at less than $30,000. And as the car only comes in one specification—awd, six-speed manual, sedan—prices shouldn’t climb much from there.

As for getting your hands on one, Mazda probably won’t make more than 5000 or so available, so if you’re in the market for upgrading your Mazda 6, you might want to keep this secret to yourself.
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0-60 in 6.6. A tad conservative I think.
I read the article more closely, 3630lbs!! That thing is a boat, I guess Mazda didn't know how to keep the weight down w/ the AWD system.
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Ford tranny/driveline + 274 hp + boost + AWD =
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29k for THAT UGLY SoB?

Get a TL instead. Faster, lighter, better handling(probably), better look and A LOT more luxurious.
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LOL, the car isn't even out yet and your calling the TL faster.
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Ford tranny/driveline + 274 hp + boost + AWD =
No more like...
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LOL, the car isn't even out yet and your calling the TL faster.

Funny, did you read the whole thing that domn posted?

6.6s 0-60
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Manufacturers tend to underate 0-60 performance. Being 340 more lbs than an evo isn't that bad considering the evo is a stipped compact car where the 6 is a midsize with more of the 'comfort' features.
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Funny, did you read the whole thing that domn posted?

6.6s 0-60
I now what the article said and it was a Mfg claim which tend to be conservative, until we see the real world track times we won't know what it really is capable of. The 220HP Mazda 6 does 0-60 in 6.4s to 6.8s, I'm sure with 274HP and 88lb-ft of torque advantage it will do better. BTW did you see that it says 0-62MPH in 6.6s.
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Originally Posted by DownUnder
I now what the article said and it was a Mfg claim which tend to be conservative, until we see the real world track times we won't know what it really is capable of. The 220HP Mazda 6 does 0-60 in 6.4s to 6.8s, I'm sure with 274HP and 88lb-ft of torque advantage it will do better. BTW did you see that it says 0-62MPH in 6.6s.
We will see. C&D had TL for 6.2s. The Mz6 number you have are from the long-term test, even the TSX may have similar number in the long term.

BTW, the 2.3 inline-4 without turbo makes more than 88lb-ft of torque.
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