Mazda: Mazda6 News
#681
breaking: new car is attractive
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/28/2...reveal-moscow/
very pretty from the outside and inside angles in the autoblog link. front grill looks like it will willingly accept the acura plenum lolol
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/28/2...reveal-moscow/
very pretty from the outside and inside angles in the autoblog link. front grill looks like it will willingly accept the acura plenum lolol
#683
Some dude
A Mazdaspeed6 needs to happen.
#684
Moderator
#685
Senior Moderator
Quite nice.
#686
The sizzle in the Steak
It's nice, and clearly better than the previous ugly duckling, but is it more appealing and head turning than the new Fusion or the current Optima.....IMHO nope.
Don't get me wrong, it's a nice looking sedan...more stylish than the Accord for sure, but it's not enough to give Mazda the sales it needs.
If Mazda thought this was going to save them from the brink, sadly, they were wrong.
Don't get me wrong, it's a nice looking sedan...more stylish than the Accord for sure, but it's not enough to give Mazda the sales it needs.
If Mazda thought this was going to save them from the brink, sadly, they were wrong.
#687
Senior Moderator
I agree. I would still take the Optima over this. But, that's just me.
#688
The sizzle in the Steak
Well, that's not much of a reach...
The Optima is one of the best looking sedans in its class.
...but yea, I get what you are saying.
I see there is no way this car sells more than Camry, Altima, Accord, Fusion, Optima, or Sonata.
Mazda needed to offer something substantial....at best they delivered a B+ car.
They needed a home run to save them...but this is not the car that will deliver for them.
The Optima is one of the best looking sedans in its class.
...but yea, I get what you are saying.
I see there is no way this car sells more than Camry, Altima, Accord, Fusion, Optima, or Sonata.
Mazda needed to offer something substantial....at best they delivered a B+ car.
They needed a home run to save them...but this is not the car that will deliver for them.
#689
I shoot people
can't wait to see the next Ford Fusion on the road, I think that's going to be a winner
#691
The sizzle in the Steak
^^ Such as?
#693
Race Director
Mods - the title should read 2013 not 2014
#694
Race Director
^ apparently I assumed too much - the '12 US built Mazda 6 production line is shut down, the new 6 has been coming off the assemly line for a month in Japan and thought it would get here by the fall as a MY13 car - according to this \|/, not so.
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...--in-russia-/1
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...--in-russia-/1
Mazda finally ends the photo striptease and exposes the entire redesigned, 2014 Mazda6 midsize sedan.
Its unveiling at the Moscow International Automobile Salon today highlights the importance of the Russian auto market to car companies. And it caps what's become the auto industry's routine of handing out photos of parts of the car, leading up to the to-da! moment at some auto show.
U.S. sales begin "early next year," is as specific as Mazda will be.
The 6 slams into a U.S. market bristling with aggressive midsize competition. Brand-new entries will include Ford Fusion, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Chevrolet Malibu. Recent remakes are VW Passat, Toyota Camry, Hyundai Sonata, Kia Optima.
Mazda warns that the data sheet for the Moscow car applies only to the Russian market, and that specs for other markets will be announced later. But, assuming the car company doesn't go to the expense and trouble of re-sizing the sedan for America, the redo won't satisfy people eager for a notably bigger version of the car.
While the Mazda6 has an image as slightly undersized vs. rivals, it's actually bigger than the Camry, which is the best-selling car in the U.S. and second-best-selling vehicle of any kind, behind perennial champ, Ford's F-series pickups.
Based on the Russian numbers, the new 6 would be 2 inches shorter than the current model and close to 300 pounds lighter, riding on a nearly 2-in. longer wheelbase, which should open up more interior space.
Data for the Russian car:
191.5 in. long
72.4 in. wide
57.1 in. tall
111.4-in. wheelbase
2,948 to 3,102 lbs.
Its unveiling at the Moscow International Automobile Salon today highlights the importance of the Russian auto market to car companies. And it caps what's become the auto industry's routine of handing out photos of parts of the car, leading up to the to-da! moment at some auto show.
U.S. sales begin "early next year," is as specific as Mazda will be.
The 6 slams into a U.S. market bristling with aggressive midsize competition. Brand-new entries will include Ford Fusion, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Chevrolet Malibu. Recent remakes are VW Passat, Toyota Camry, Hyundai Sonata, Kia Optima.
Mazda warns that the data sheet for the Moscow car applies only to the Russian market, and that specs for other markets will be announced later. But, assuming the car company doesn't go to the expense and trouble of re-sizing the sedan for America, the redo won't satisfy people eager for a notably bigger version of the car.
While the Mazda6 has an image as slightly undersized vs. rivals, it's actually bigger than the Camry, which is the best-selling car in the U.S. and second-best-selling vehicle of any kind, behind perennial champ, Ford's F-series pickups.
Based on the Russian numbers, the new 6 would be 2 inches shorter than the current model and close to 300 pounds lighter, riding on a nearly 2-in. longer wheelbase, which should open up more interior space.
Data for the Russian car:
191.5 in. long
72.4 in. wide
57.1 in. tall
111.4-in. wheelbase
2,948 to 3,102 lbs.
#695
Some dude
A couple thoughts here,
1. I don't believe Mazda needs to beat the top selling cars in its class, but it needs to be a lot more competitive then the current generation.
2. They can't make the mistake of "re-sizing" the car for the U.S. market. Just look how well that worked the last time around.
3. Mazda needs more then just 1 car to survive, they need the 3, 6, CX-5 to all succeed for them to stay viable in the U.S.
4. Being different is OKAY. No one wants or needs another Camry copy.
5. Revamp the website. It doesn't seem up to par with many other companies sites.
1. I don't believe Mazda needs to beat the top selling cars in its class, but it needs to be a lot more competitive then the current generation.
2. They can't make the mistake of "re-sizing" the car for the U.S. market. Just look how well that worked the last time around.
3. Mazda needs more then just 1 car to survive, they need the 3, 6, CX-5 to all succeed for them to stay viable in the U.S.
4. Being different is OKAY. No one wants or needs another Camry copy.
5. Revamp the website. It doesn't seem up to par with many other companies sites.
#696
The sizzle in the Steak
They need more than just increased sales volume from the previous gen that was a complete disaster and sold little.
They need a big hit. A big seller.
They need the 6 to sell almost like the 3.
Sadly, I don't think that will happen. The competition is just so hard to beat considering the new Fusion, Camry, Optima, Altima.
Many of those vehicles have a legacy, and some have little legacy, but are quite the package of beautiful design and features.
#698
Suzuka Master
#699
Goodbye.
#700
The seats in the 6 look delish.
Aside from how they fit in the nav screen, the dash looks pretty good (tho probably would give the edge to the new Fusion for overall design).
Like what?
While it's no Mazda6, handling-wise, it better than anything else in the segment right now aside from maybe the Passat (another possibility is the new Altima).
And while I don't like the design of the dash/center stack, the materials are better than most of the segment and for the SXL, better than anything else.
emgcartech
http://www.egmcartech.com/2012/08/09...on-the-market/
TheCarConnection - score of 8.6 out of 10
http://www.thecarconnection.com/over...ia_optima_2012
Aside from how they fit in the nav screen, the dash looks pretty good (tho probably would give the edge to the new Fusion for overall design).
While it's no Mazda6, handling-wise, it better than anything else in the segment right now aside from maybe the Passat (another possibility is the new Altima).
And while I don't like the design of the dash/center stack, the materials are better than most of the segment and for the SXL, better than anything else.
emgcartech
As an automotive journalist, I’ve had the pleasure of driving many newcars this year, however, there were a select few that really blew me away – surprisingly, a Kia was one of them – the 2013 Kia Optima SX Turbo to be specific.
Overall:
So, when it comes to the decision of which mid-sizesedan you should buy – the choice here (at least to me) is pretty clear. Our 2013 Kia Optima SX Turbo was priced at $31,925 and while that may be expensive for a Kia, that price tag is pretty outstanding considering all the technology, performance, interior quality and good looks you’re getting. If you’re not that concerned with performance you can opt for the 200-hp 2.4 liter Optima EX with all the bells and whistles for just over $27,000.
If egmCarTech had yearly awards – I would have to give the 2013 Kia Optima the award for the best mid-size familysedan for 2012. Enough said.
Overall:
So, when it comes to the decision of which mid-sizesedan you should buy – the choice here (at least to me) is pretty clear. Our 2013 Kia Optima SX Turbo was priced at $31,925 and while that may be expensive for a Kia, that price tag is pretty outstanding considering all the technology, performance, interior quality and good looks you’re getting. If you’re not that concerned with performance you can opt for the 200-hp 2.4 liter Optima EX with all the bells and whistles for just over $27,000.
If egmCarTech had yearly awards – I would have to give the 2013 Kia Optima the award for the best mid-size familysedan for 2012. Enough said.
TheCarConnection - score of 8.6 out of 10
Ride and handling fit into the upper echelon of the segment. The engines work well in concert with the independent suspension, giving the Optima a quick, nimble feel. The Optima's steering is a little hefty and responds quickly, doing a better job than the similar Sonata at controlling a little bit of wandering that comes with some kinds of road surfaces and its fuel-economy-aiding tires. All the while, ride quality is firm but comfortable, and the Optima's cabin is a quiet, refined place to be.
#701
The seats in the 6 look delish.
Aside from how they fit in the nav screen, the dash looks pretty good (tho probably would give the edge to the new Fusion for overall design).
Like what?
While it's no Mazda6, handling-wise, it better than anything else in the segment right now aside from maybe the Passat (another possibility is the new Altima).
And while I don't like the design of the dash/center stack, the materials are better than most of the segment and for the SXL, better than anything else.
emgcartech
http://www.egmcartech.com/2012/08/09...on-the-market/
TheCarConnection - score of 8.6 out of 10
http://www.thecarconnection.com/over...ia_optima_2012
Aside from how they fit in the nav screen, the dash looks pretty good (tho probably would give the edge to the new Fusion for overall design).
Like what?
While it's no Mazda6, handling-wise, it better than anything else in the segment right now aside from maybe the Passat (another possibility is the new Altima).
And while I don't like the design of the dash/center stack, the materials are better than most of the segment and for the SXL, better than anything else.
emgcartech
http://www.egmcartech.com/2012/08/09...on-the-market/
TheCarConnection - score of 8.6 out of 10
http://www.thecarconnection.com/over...ia_optima_2012
See Edmunds long term Kia Optima frequent oil changes, etc.
depreciation over longer term like 4 years. as first year every thing looks new.
http://www.insideline.com/kia/optima...t-wrap-up.html
Observed Fuel Economy: We averaged 22 mpg in the 2011 Kia Optima Turbo over 19,035 miles of driving. This equaled the EPA city estimations. Our best single tank of 31 mpg was well shy of the EPA highway calculations of 34 mpg. Its fun-to-drive character distracted from consistent, fuel-efficient driving. Still, in the fuel economy category, this Turbo did not live up to our expectations.
See R&T frequent oil changes and less than 25mpg long term fuel economic. and that is mostly long drives as they drove 30k miles in a year. 6 oil changes.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/lo...ptima-sx#specs
In the same long term test TL SH-AWD with summer performance tires got 21mpg.4 oil changes.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezfl...8d5d6cff08.pdf
#702
My first Avatar....
^
Can anyone please put a stop to this?
Can anyone please put a stop to this?
#703
Pro
The new 6 looks terrific. Like the CX-5, I think it'll sell very well - and likely will only be limited by Mazda's production capacity. The design, efficiency, and performance will lead the segment as a result of the combination of Kudo design and Skyactiv engineering. If the wagon comes here with 6MT, Mazda can take my money in a second. Still, the 6 sedan will likely to be my next car.
Ford Fusion is more of a design copy of the companies that Ford sold (which is ironic). Let's see how the quality stacks up. The new Escape hasn't been great.
Hyundai/Kia have come a long way and look good outside and on paper. But IMO the key real world performance / efficiency / reliability are still not quite there yet.
Ford Fusion is more of a design copy of the companies that Ford sold (which is ironic). Let's see how the quality stacks up. The new Escape hasn't been great.
Hyundai/Kia have come a long way and look good outside and on paper. But IMO the key real world performance / efficiency / reliability are still not quite there yet.
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Some dude
From LeftLaneNews:
Mazdaspeed6 Coupe, make it happen.
Mazda’s new Mazda6 was just officially unveiled at the Moscow Motor Show, but the Japanese automaker is already talking about future configurations of what it hopes will quickly become its bread-and-butter midsize model.
The automaker’s chief designer, Akira Tamatani, told Britain’s Autocar that both two-door and all-wheel-drive versions of the Mazda6 are on the drawing table.
“There is no decision, but I would love to make one,” Tamatani said of a proposed coupe. “The first job is to make the saloon and estate, but from this position a coupe is not so far away.”
Since Mazda is using the Mazda6 as more of a styling statement than its predecessors, a coupe might help lure buyers of all sorts into showrooms, even though it wouldn’t likely be a high-volume unit. In North America, the only midsize coupes left are the Honda Accord Coupe and the Nissan Altima Coupe, neither of which sells in large numbers.
The all-wheel-drive Mazda6 would likely have a much greater appeal, especially in some European and Asian markets, where the Mazda6 will be a premium offering.
“There are no set plans, but we are studying the possibility of introducing all-wheel drive – it would be a good weapon with which to establish the brand,” Mazda6 program manager Hiroshi Kajiyama told the magazine on the sidelines of the Moscow show. “It is my belief that there is a very strong opportunity for us if we bring it to market.”
Mazda’s short-lived Mazdaspeed6 sedan featured standard all-wheel-drive, but the automaker has never sold a mainstream model with the traction-enhancing engineering in North America. Speaking of Mazdaspeed6s, rumors persist that a turbocharged version of the shapely new sedan has already been green-lighted.
The automaker’s chief designer, Akira Tamatani, told Britain’s Autocar that both two-door and all-wheel-drive versions of the Mazda6 are on the drawing table.
“There is no decision, but I would love to make one,” Tamatani said of a proposed coupe. “The first job is to make the saloon and estate, but from this position a coupe is not so far away.”
Since Mazda is using the Mazda6 as more of a styling statement than its predecessors, a coupe might help lure buyers of all sorts into showrooms, even though it wouldn’t likely be a high-volume unit. In North America, the only midsize coupes left are the Honda Accord Coupe and the Nissan Altima Coupe, neither of which sells in large numbers.
The all-wheel-drive Mazda6 would likely have a much greater appeal, especially in some European and Asian markets, where the Mazda6 will be a premium offering.
“There are no set plans, but we are studying the possibility of introducing all-wheel drive – it would be a good weapon with which to establish the brand,” Mazda6 program manager Hiroshi Kajiyama told the magazine on the sidelines of the Moscow show. “It is my belief that there is a very strong opportunity for us if we bring it to market.”
Mazda’s short-lived Mazdaspeed6 sedan featured standard all-wheel-drive, but the automaker has never sold a mainstream model with the traction-enhancing engineering in North America. Speaking of Mazdaspeed6s, rumors persist that a turbocharged version of the shapely new sedan has already been green-lighted.
#708
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#709
Some dude
#710
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#711
MechEng
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If they make a Mazdaspeed version, that may just be my next car. I love almost everything so far. The dash doesn't match the beauty of the exterior but it still seems like a nice place to be. And those white seats are
#712
Three Wheelin'
Year: US Sales, Canadian Sales (source)
2002: 2042, n/a
2003: 66,118, n/a
2004: 72,148, 10,213
2005: 71,447, 11,738
2006: 66,203, 9971
2007: 57,575, 8451
2008: 52,590, 6561
2009: 34,866, 6614
2010: 35,662, 6092
2011: 35,711, 3676
2002: 2042, n/a
2003: 66,118, n/a
2004: 72,148, 10,213
2005: 71,447, 11,738
2006: 66,203, 9971
2007: 57,575, 8451
2008: 52,590, 6561
2009: 34,866, 6614
2010: 35,662, 6092
2011: 35,711, 3676
I LOVE my 2010 6s, but if I hadn't got a killer lease on it (which is up in May), I would never have dropped $34K to acquire it.
Mazda6 will continue to be a comparative niche vehicle because Mazda does not have the production capacity nor dealer network for the 6 to compete with the high-volume family sedans.
That's okay, but Mazda needs to cut some costs (importing isn't certainly going to help) and/or market the vehicle above the Accord/Camry threshold. They market the 3 as a slightly more expensive, but dynamically superior small car, they just need to apply that logic to the family sedan sector. Mazda, advertise this beauty!
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The new 6 looks terrific. Like the CX-5, I think it'll sell very well - and likely will only be limited by Mazda's production capacity. The design, efficiency, and performance will lead the segment as a result of the combination of Kudo design and Skyactiv engineering. If the wagon comes here with 6MT, Mazda can take my money in a second. Still, the 6 sedan will likely to be my next car.
Ford Fusion is more of a design copy of the companies that Ford sold (which is ironic). Let's see how the quality stacks up. The new Escape hasn't been great.
Hyundai/Kia have come a long way and look good outside and on paper. But IMO the key real world performance / efficiency / reliability are still not quite there yet.
Ford Fusion is more of a design copy of the companies that Ford sold (which is ironic). Let's see how the quality stacks up. The new Escape hasn't been great.
Hyundai/Kia have come a long way and look good outside and on paper. But IMO the key real world performance / efficiency / reliability are still not quite there yet.
The 1st gen Mazda6 was bit too small, but I thought its handsome styling and excellent driving dynamics would be enough to set itself apart while getting good sales. For the 2nd gen, it got bigger to match the other competitors. It also got a proper V6 engine that can compete with anyone. The driving dynamics was still top notch in the class. Yet again, it didn't sell that well...
The newest Mazda6 looks great again, and it's also the lightest in the class I believe. Hopefully the more efficient drivetrain will finally be able to draw more customers to Mazda dealerships!
#714
Fahrvergnügen'd
^^
Maybe so. The mid-size segment is fucking cutthroat. Accord, Camry, Altima, Mazda 6, Fusion, Sonata, Optima, Passat ...
All are really good cars now ... In many ways six of one/half a dozen of the other ... But just looking at that list, the Mazda 6 just drifts to the bottom.
Maybe so. The mid-size segment is fucking cutthroat. Accord, Camry, Altima, Mazda 6, Fusion, Sonata, Optima, Passat ...
All are really good cars now ... In many ways six of one/half a dozen of the other ... But just looking at that list, the Mazda 6 just drifts to the bottom.
#720
Some dude
Mazda6 Coupe Rumors
From Left Lane News:
I would be really interested in seeing an AWD sport coupe from Mazda. From everything I've read so far the sedan is top notch.
Mazda is developing a coupe version of its all-new Mazda6, a new report finds. Although Mazda has denied it is working on a Mazda6 coupe, the internet rumor mill suggests the sportier model will launch sometime in 2014.
According to the UK's Auto Express, Mazda is developing a new Mazda6 coupe to join sedan and wagon variants of the mid-sizer. The Mazda6 coupe will reportedly arrive as a three-door hatch, offering more cargo space that a traditional two-door. The current version of the Mazda6 sedan is offered with a hatchback, albeit not in the United States market.
Mazda is looking to move the 6 nameplate up-market with the latest iteration of the car, and that will be reflected in the coupe's intended rival – the Audi A5.
The Mazda6 coupe will presumably be offered with the standard car's drivetrains, but Mazda is also said to be working on a high-performance version of the car, not unlike the previous MazdaSpeed6. A 260 horsepower turbocharged 2.0L is tipped for duty in the performance model, with all-wheel drive a distinct possibility.
If the Mazda6 coupe ultimately comes to fruition, look for it to land in dealer showrooms sometime in 2014.
According to the UK's Auto Express, Mazda is developing a new Mazda6 coupe to join sedan and wagon variants of the mid-sizer. The Mazda6 coupe will reportedly arrive as a three-door hatch, offering more cargo space that a traditional two-door. The current version of the Mazda6 sedan is offered with a hatchback, albeit not in the United States market.
Mazda is looking to move the 6 nameplate up-market with the latest iteration of the car, and that will be reflected in the coupe's intended rival – the Audi A5.
The Mazda6 coupe will presumably be offered with the standard car's drivetrains, but Mazda is also said to be working on a high-performance version of the car, not unlike the previous MazdaSpeed6. A 260 horsepower turbocharged 2.0L is tipped for duty in the performance model, with all-wheel drive a distinct possibility.
If the Mazda6 coupe ultimately comes to fruition, look for it to land in dealer showrooms sometime in 2014.