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Old 03-22-2005, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Weren't they saying that the IS350 will only make something like 246 bhp?
I dont believe that for a second. Yes that was posted somewhere, it came from a legit source also, but it must have been a typo or something.
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I dont know...I see a huge gap in HP between the 2.5 and the 3.5 engines. It will be more than 100HP per Autoweek. What's the deal?

It would make more sense to have a 2.5, a 3.5 making 260-270HP and a 3.5 "S" making 300+ HP. That way you can price the "S" at a premium and make it even more profitable.

The V8 rumors though make it more probably for that version to go against the next M3.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
I dont know...I see a huge gap in HP between the 2.5 and the 3.5 engines. It will be more than 100HP per Autoweek. What's the deal?

It would make more sense to have a 2.5, a 3.5 making 260-270HP and a 3.5 "S" making 300+ HP. That way you can price the "S" at a premium and make it even more profitable.
I can't see the 3.5 making less horsepower than the upcoming E90 330 model, which is why I thought the 246 sounded a little odd. My expectation is around yours with around 260 bhp and a performance model putting down closer to 300.
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I will be shocked if Lexus has the balls to put that big of a hp jump between models. They have never went after class leading hp before and if they do it now it will be a first for them.
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Like I mentioned before, Lexus is using the BMW method of rolling out its cars - offer the minimum necessary to get folks hooked and then drible in improvements often. They don't want to introduce an IS300 with 245HP this year and have nothing new to offer next year. Along with the HP jump to the IS350, there'll be a big gap in price - like 10K. The IS350 will split the diff between the 330 and current M3, performance wise. Then when the new E90 sedan M3 comes out, Lexus will counter with IS450H. Also next year, when the E92 3 series coupe comes out, Lexus will have an equivalent IS coupe. Other than the touring wagon, IS will match everything BMW rolls out virtually on the same schedule.

Maybe that's one of the reasons BMW is going with the detuned 3L I6 in the 325. They already realize that the IS will go to the 3L (currently in the GS) sometime soon and they need to counter with something in their base model. With a simple intake and software change - presto, that same 325 makes 245HP instead of the current 218.
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300hp and 6spd manual

This new design

Lexus customer service and treatment

This car is nothing but a winner if that first part is true. The only thing I dont like as much is the huge size increase = less in handling performance. But I bet it will still drive really damn well.
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I dont know if this was posted before, but this came from a very reputable source on CL.com. As stated by one of the top representatives at Lexus.

In October 2005:
'06 IS250 and IS350. The IS250 will have a 6 speed manual tranny OR a automatic V6 engine. The IS250 will have 220 horsepower. The IS350 is a V6 automatic ONLY, but will have guarranteed minimum of 325 horsies. The IS350 will have an available "Sport Package" with "18 wheels. Pricing will remain competitive and the IS will start around $32k-$33k, same as what we have now, but a top of the line will be about $45k with all options.
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246, 300, 315....now 325??!!

let's hope 325, but i think we should give it a rest on the rumors

i find it kinda weird that a fully loaded IS with 300+ hp from a 3.5L V6 can be had for @$45k...when the GS and LS V8s only have 290-300hp? GS is also suppose to be a sports sedan

i'll believe it when i see it....too hard to speculate
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Heres the rest of that info.


In March 2006:
'07 ES350 will have a 3.5 liter engine with a completely new body style. The only thing they are keeping the same on the ES will be the headlight design.

In April 2006:
'07 RX350 will have the same updated engine as the ES

In May 2006:
GS450Hybrid will have a V6 hybrid engine, but be faster than the GS430.

In September 2006:
LS460Hybrid with 2 body styles, one 6 inches longer, will be added to the regular LS. Both will have 4.6 V8 engines.

In September 2006:
'07GS350 will have the updated engine, but same body style.

In September 2006:
'07 GS460 will have an updated engine.

In 18months or so the IS convertible with retractable hard top is coming for cetain. And other car ideas that are being tossed around also are the "Super LS" that will cost more than $100k and the "SuperCoupe" that will go 200 MPH.
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Originally Posted by MaximaPower
246, 300, 315....now 325??!!

let's hope 325, but i think we should give it a rest on the rumors

i find it kinda weird that a fully loaded IS with 300+ hp from a 3.5L V6 can be had for @$45k...when the GS and LS V8s only have 290-300hp? GS is also suppose to be a sports sedan

i'll believe it when i see it....too hard to speculate
The hybrid GS will be out next year and it will have a lot more than 300HP combined as you know.

Also the LS is for a redo and that will affects engines also and I am sure we'll see a hybrid there. So Lexus power is going up for all cars. It's just that they are starting with the IS. I am not sure why they did not start with the GS, but maybe this 3.5L engine in the IS was not ready yet.
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All of the sudden 300hp sounds like a very small number nowdays...
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Originally Posted by magneto112
Heres the rest of that info.


In March 2006:
'07 ES350 will have a 3.5 liter engine with a completely new body style. The only thing they are keeping the same on the ES will be the headlight design.

In April 2006:
'07 RX350 will have the same updated engine as the ES

In May 2006:
GS450Hybrid will have a V6 hybrid engine, but be faster than the GS430.

In September 2006:
LS460Hybrid with 2 body styles, one 6 inches longer, will be added to the regular LS. Both will have 4.6 V8 engines.

In September 2006:
'07GS350 will have the updated engine, but same body style.

In September 2006:
'07 GS460 will have an updated engine.

In 18months or so the IS convertible with retractable hard top is coming for cetain. And other car ideas that are being tossed around also are the "Super LS" that will cost more than $100k and the "SuperCoupe" that will go 200 MPH.
What is the source of this info sir?
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Originally Posted by MSZ
All of the sudden 300hp sounds like a very small number nowdays...

Yeap.

Now think what 200HP sounds like now think what it did just 6 years ago
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Originally Posted by gavriil
What is the source of this info sir?
Its been posted on CL.com for about a month(surpised no one here saw it yet), but has been taken down. Only mods should have access to it now. Its been copied over on my.is.com. Havent checked it there but got it from CarandDriver forums where it hasnt been taken down.
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Originally Posted by magneto112
Its been posted on CL.com for about a month(surpised no one here saw it yet), but has been taken down. Only mods should have access to it now. Its been copied over on my.is.com. Havent checked it there but got it from CarandDriver forums where it hasnt been taken down.
Why was it taken down and who posted it first?
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I will hit up on the PM on who the original poster was. I dont want to put her on full blast and get her in trouble.

A few other people got into trouble not to long ago for posting confidential info and was forced to not say anything else. I guess Toyota/Lexus got ahold of them. They actually had a thread on there stating they cant put anymore info up.
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Originally Posted by magneto112
I will hit up on the PM on who the original poster was. I dont want to put her on full blast and get her in trouble.

A few other people got into trouble not to long ago for posting confidential info and was forced to not say anything else. I guess Toyota/Lexus got ahold of them. They actually had a thread on there stating they cant put anymore info up.
Ah it was confidential info. I see.
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Originally Posted by magneto112
Heres the rest of that info.


In March 2006:
'07 ES350 will have a 3.5 liter engine with a completely new body style. The only thing they are keeping the same on the ES will be the headlight design.

In April 2006:
'07 RX350 will have the same updated engine as the ES

In May 2006:
GS450Hybrid will have a V6 hybrid engine, but be faster than the GS430.

In September 2006:
LS460Hybrid with 2 body styles, one 6 inches longer, will be added to the regular LS. Both will have 4.6 V8 engines.

In September 2006:
'07GS350 will have the updated engine, but same body style.

In September 2006:
'07 GS460 will have an updated engine.

In 18months or so the IS convertible with retractable hard top is coming for cetain. And other car ideas that are being tossed around also are the "Super LS" that will cost more than $100k and the "SuperCoupe" that will go 200 MPH.
I asked magneto112 to elaborate on the 3.5L engine/s. Here is what he said:

...to my understanding the 3.5L in the Avalon, and upcoming IS are basically the same engine with different tuning. The engine code is 2GR-series. The one in the Avalon is 2GR-FE and the IS will be 2GR-FSE. The difference between the two is Direct Injection.

So basically the engine in the upcoming ES350 and RX350 will be the same thing. Horsepower and Tq numbers will depend on the model line assume. But I expect about 280 for the ES350/RX350. Think of it as Toyotas version of Nissans VQ series engine. Its going to be used in everything a V6 engine is needed.

Other spin offs of this engine is the IS250 and the '06 GS300 engines(I believe its 3GR-FSE or it could be 4GR-FSE) and obviously the 4Runner, Tacoma Tundra engine which is 1GR-FE
I believe it cos it makes sense and Lexus does need what Infiniti has with the VQ. Nice. About time we saw that from Lexus.
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About the 300+HP engine in the GS and IS let me remind everyone of this thread which is 12 months old almost
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Looks like Honda's going to have to come out with some bigger and more competitive numbers.
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i would like to see what the lexus fanboys would say about toyota sharing that 3.5L since they always say nissan whores the VQ35, and that's its not "luxurious" to share engines

IMO, that would b a good move for toyota/lexus with the new 3.5L....i wonder if buyers that were looking at the Gs300 right now, would decide to wait out for the GS350
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Originally Posted by gavriil
I asked magneto112 to elaborate on the 3.5L engine/s. Here is what he said:



I believe it cos it makes sense and Lexus does need what Infiniti has with the VQ. Nice. About time we saw that from Lexus.
Imagine a Camry V6 with 280hp....................

They will detune the V6 for Camry.
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Originally Posted by MaximaPower
i would like to see what the lexus fanboys would say about toyota sharing that 3.5L since they always say nissan whores the VQ35, and that's its not "luxurious" to share engines

IMO, that would b a good move for toyota/lexus with the new 3.5L....i wonder if buyers that were looking at the Gs300 right now, would decide to wait out for the GS350
You better believe I'd wait for the GS350.
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Originally Posted by titan
You better believe I'd wait for the GS350.
I definitely would too, however people are scooping them up pretty damn fast. Honestly, most are comfortable with the performance now. 0-60mph in about 6.8 sec isnt relatively slow. Might be slower than some others but it isnt that bad. A GS350 will probably run low 6's high 5 sec range.
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Originally Posted by magneto112
A GS350 will probably run low 6's high 5 sec range.
No.
The GS400 did 60 in 6.2 and the GS430 does it in 5.9. The six cylinder N/A will not push that pig to 60 as fast as those V8s did.
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I was going by official Lexus stats, not some random magazine. And why wouldnt a GS350 run low 6 seconds(high 5's being the best that is)?? A M35 that weighs 300lbs more can go to 60 in the low 6 sec. The GS350 will have the same amount of hp if not more. No reason for it not to go low 6 seconds. The GS300 does high 6 seconds, it shouldnt need 100hp more just to go a half second faster. Obviously at higher speeds it will run slower than a V8.

Not to mention the new GS is also one of the lightest cars in its class(save the 530i which is lighter by about 40lbs). So its really not that much of a fat pig. GS350, easily low 6 second car.

Sorry for getting off topic.
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One set of figures leaked:


IS250 RWD Manual: $26,585
IS250 RWD Auto: $27,955
IS250 AWD Auto: $29,905

IS350 RWD: $40,475 ("TRANSMISSION CHOICES ARE NOT SET IN STONE YET. THE IS350 WILL SELL ONLY FULLY LOADED.")

Std features:

Smart Access
Optitron Instrument Cluster
Power Tilt/Telescopic Wheel
Audio, Bluetooth, Voice Activation and Display Controls on Steering Wheel
10-Way power seats with memory for driver and passenger
Wood and Metal trim interior
Dual Zone Auto Climate Control
Mini Plug accessory Connector
Illuminated Scuff Plates on door sills
AM/FM/CD, 13-speaker audio system

Options:

Ventilated Seats
Touch Screen-Voice Activated Nav
Mark Levinson
Adaptive Cruise Control
Park Assist
Rain sensing Wipers with Headlamp washers
Power rear sunshade

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Another set of figures:


2006 IS250 (base model)
$ 27,585 - Manual - RWD
$ 28,955 - Automatic - E-Shift - RWD
$ 30,905 - Automatic - E-Shift - AWD

2006 IS300 (base model)
$ 32,925 - Automatic - E-shift - RWD
$ 34,875 - Automatic - E-shift - AWD

2006 IS350 (fully loaded)
$ 42,475 - Automatic - E-shift - RWD

notes: Transmission choices haven't been set in stone as the choices for each model change weekly. The IS350 will sell only in a fully loaded configuration. est. release date 2005.10.31

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If those IS250 prices are correct and the car comes with those std access thats one hell of a deal and makes for some very serious competition for the TSX.

Biker the $26,585 and then $27,585 prices for the MT RWD IS250, possibly just freight added to the price?
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Originally Posted by MSZ
Imagine a Camry V6 with 280hp....................

They will detune the V6 for Camry.

The Camry should probably get 260 to go against the Altima.
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Originally Posted by biker
Another set of figures:


2006 IS250 (base model)
$ 27,585 - Manual - RWD
$ 28,955 - Automatic - E-Shift - RWD
$ 30,905 - Automatic - E-Shift - AWD

2006 IS300 (base model)
$ 32,925 - Automatic - E-shift - RWD
$ 34,875 - Automatic - E-shift - AWD

2006 IS350 (fully loaded)
$ 42,475 - Automatic - E-shift - RWD

notes: Transmission choices haven't been set in stone as the choices for each model change weekly. The IS350 will sell only in a fully loaded configuration. est. release date 2005.10.31

I knew we'd see the GS300's engine in the IS. Makes perfect sence.

So both the GS and IS will share the 3.0 V6 to go against the 330/530.

Now the questions is: where is BMW's 3.5L engine?
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Nope we will not see a 3.0L engine in the IS.

Here is the official Press Release.


Lexus Introduces Next Generation IS Luxury Sport Sedan With Two New Engines and All-Wheel Drive - - Source: The Car Connection



03/23/2005 New York


Lexus unveiled the all-new 2006 IS 350 luxury sport sedan today at a press conference at the New York Auto Show.

"We're taking dead aim at the top of the class with the new IS," said Lexus Marketing Vice President Mark Templin. "We plan to offer a compelling range of models and options with class-leading perfo rmance and luxury."

Four separate models will form the basis of the new IS family in the US market, featuring two completely new V6 engines and both rear and all-wheel drive. The new IS 250 and IS 250 AWD will feature a 2.5-liter engine rated at more than 200 horsepower. The top-line IS 350 will be powered by a potent 3.5-liter V6 engine which will develop more than 300 horsepower.

Two new transmissions will facilitate power delivery to the wheels. Standard in the IS 250, a new 6-speed sequential manual transmission is designed to take full advantage of its free-revving V6 engine. A new sequential-shift 6-speed automatic will also be offered in the IS 250 and will be standard in the IS 350 and IS 250 AWD. Steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters for the automatic are designed to provide maximum involvement and control for driving enthusiasts.

All new front and rear suspension, steering and brake systems will unite with standard Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) in the IS 250 while the IS 350 receives Lexus' new Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) system to provide superior dynamics and control, while continuing the IS legacy of driving fun. The new suspension design optimizes dynamic wheel alignment to help provide precise, confident handling and maximum tire grip.

With its styling clearly influenced by Lexus recent LF-series of concept cars, the new IS shows a strong family resemblance with its stable mate, the 2006 GS, while capturing its own distinctively sporty, yet upscale essence. A notably wide stance and long wheelbase coupled with tightly-drawn bodywork lends a muscular and sophisticated style.

The new look continues inside, where a roomy, luxurious yet sporty cabin is complemented by intelligently designed displays and controls designed to make driving both simple and pleasurable. Bright, clear Optitron gauges and smartly integrated metallic and available maple trim help create a luxurious, yet no-nonsense ambience.

A comprehensive list of safety, comfort and luxury features seldom found in its class will be offered in the newest IS family. For example, Smart Access keyless entry with push-button start will be standard, and features such as a power tilt/telescoping steering wheel and navigation system with back-up camera will be available.

These and other features available on the new IS, such as the Adaptive Front headlamp System (AFS), Dynamic Radar Cruise Control and ventilated front seats are normally found only in more expensive luxury cars.

New V6 Engines - Powerful and Socially Responsible
A newly-designed fuel injection system and dual VVT-i will help the new 3.5-liter V6 engine achieve more than 300 horsepower, resulting in zero-to-60 mph acceleration in less than six seconds. With an estimated combined city/highway fuel economy in the high twenties, the IS 350's fuel efficiency is similar to the EPA average for compact cars with 2.0-liter four-cylinder engines.

The IS 250 will carry a 2.5-liter version of the same advanced V6 engine with over 200 hp and more than 180 lb.-ft. of torque. Coupled with a standard 6-speed sequential manual transmission, acceleration from 0-60 miles per hour will be in the high 7-second range. Estimated combined fuel economy ratings are also expected to be in the high-twenties.

With all the new IS models, low-friction engine design and carefully matched drivetrains also make significant contributions to fuel efficiency. And all of the new IS models are expected to carry the ULEV-II emissions rating.

Power + Control = Driving Pleasure
Recently introduced on the new GS 430 (and the soon-to-be-released RX 400h), Lexus' Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management system will also augment the inherently excellent dynamics of the new IS 350. In this iteration, VDIM will be programmed to allow drivers to probe deeper into the limits of handling before discreetly, but effectively applying braking, throttle and steering control. This approach is designed to maximize driving fun without giving away control to the elements.

An important contributor to performance, fuel economy and stability lies in the new IS' aerodynamic package. Low exterior drag is enhanced with careful attention to underbody airflow management designed to minimize and balance front/rear lift. The low drag body makes best use of engine power and the low lift enhances high-speed stability and handling balance.
The new Lexus IS luxury sport sedans will go on sale in North America this fall. Prices will be announced near the on-sale date.
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Lexus Introduces Next Generation IS Luxury Sport Sedan With Two New Engines and All-Wheel Drive - - Source: The Car Connection



Preliminary Specifications and Features


IS 250
IS 250 AWD
IS 350

Specifications

Wheelbase (inches)
107.5
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Length (inches)
180.1
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Width (inches)
70.9
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Height (inches)
56.1
56.7
56.1

Curb Weight (approx. lbs.)
3,450
3,650
3,525

Engine Displacement
2.5 liters
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3.5 liters

Horsepower
200+
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300+

Torque (lb.-ft.)
180+
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275+

Transmission
6 M/T (6 A/T option)
6 A/T
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Std. Tire Size – Front/Rear
225/45R17 / 245/45R17
225/45R17 / 225/45R17
225/45R17 / 245/45R17

Optional Tire Size – Front/Rear
225/40R18 / 255/40R18
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225/40R18 / 255/40R18

0-60 mph (mfr. est.)
Upper 7-second range
Lower 8-second range
Upper 5-second range

Fuel Economy*
High 20’s
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<

Emissions Rating**
ULEV-II
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Key Features

VDIM
NA (VSC std.)
NA (VSC std.)
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Sport Package
O
NA
O

Smart Access
S
S
S

Heated & Ventilated Seats
O
O
O

Voice-Activated Navigation
O
O
O

Rear Back-Up Camera
O
O
O

Bi-Xenon HID/AFS
O
O
O

Driver/Pass. Knee Airbags
S
S
S

Pre-Collision System
O (with A/T only)
O
O

Dynamic Radar Cruise Control
O (with A/T only)
O
O

MP3 / WMA Audio Input
S
S
S

Mark Levinson Audio
O
O
O


*Manufacturers estimate of EPA fuel economy rating

** Manufacturers estimate of EPA emissions rating
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They stated that the IS250's price will be very close to what the current IS300 sells at which is 29K for the manual and 30,500 or so for the automatic. The new IS250/350 will also include more standard features as well. No pricing on the IS350 yet, but they did say it will be very competitive to other cars.

BMW just released there press release on the 325i and 330i, and the 330i will start at 37K, so I assume around the same for the IS350. We have about 6 months before we get all the final info on the car.
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Originally Posted by magneto112
Nope we will not see a 3.0L engine in the IS.

Here is the official Press Release.
Maybe not during the fist year run. LIke I am sure we will see a manual in the IS350 eventually. We better, at least
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Source of Info from

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...2005,+12:15+PM

http://www.toyota.com/about/news/pro...-lexIS350.html
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Originally Posted by gavriil
Maybe not during the fist year run. LIke I am sure we will see a manual in the IS350 eventually. We better, at least
HAHA...good point. I hope so too!!
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The stance is nice with small gaps in the wheelwell. Hopefully all of it will translate into the production model


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