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Old 01-05-2006, 03:20 PM
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IMO 6 is the most that is ever needed.

Sounds like the damn thing will spend more time shifting rather than spinning
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It's got to be shifting every second if you're accelerating from stand still..
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I love the HP wars, but this is different. I hope it stops at 8. Honestly, I though MB's 7 was as far as it tranny speeds need to go.
You're right; this is getting crazy. And you know for sure this has only turned into a giant pissing contest. In this price range, it's all about impressing, and Mercedes, BMW, and Audi will have to up their gears to at least eight.

I can see it now. A husband and wife are taking a testdrive in the all new LS when the salesman boasts that "the LS460 has an eight-speed automatic transmission". The wife then asks "how many gears does the S-class have, honey?" when the salesman pipes in to brag "the S-class only has seven gears." It is at that instant that the wife confidentally says "well, I want this LS because it's superior--it has eight gears".

All it is is bragging rights, in my mind. Sure, I bet that this helps add to efficiency, but give me a break. Eight gears? That's twice the gears of what the standard was a few years ago. But whatever. Innovation is good, I suppose. But hopefully they'll stop adding gears when cars start shifting as frequently as semi-trucks. Know what I mean? It seems like they shift at 5-10 mph increments...

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They must be confident because I can only imagine the tranny being sensitive to hunting between such closely spaced gears without superior programming installed.
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Originally Posted by Belzebutt
Because no CVT can possibly withstand a 450 hp V8?
I am sure they can figure it out at Lexus if the need arises.
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As long as it's not as slow as the auto tranny in the IS350...
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As long as it's not as slow as the auto tranny in the IS350...
hm..that granny shifting auto still takes the car 0-60 in 5.1 and 1/4mile in 13.7
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Originally Posted by gilboman
hm..that granny shifting auto still takes the car 0-60 in 5.1 and 1/4mile in 13.7
hmm... it's still auto.
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Originally Posted by iNteGraz92
hmm... it's still auto.
But if it has the performance, why does it matter? I used to loathe autos but after using the TSX one, I really don't care how it works, just as long as it shifts quick.
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But if it has the performance, why does it matter? I used to loathe autos but after using the TSX one, I really don't care how it works, just as long as it shifts quick.
inability to downshift/clutch brake around corners? there's quite a few reasons why manual is better than an auto for spirited driving. with this car however, im not sure it matters. its a land yacht.
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inability to downshift/clutch brake around corners? there's quite a few reasons why manual is better than an auto for spirited driving. with this car however, im not sure it matters. its a land yacht.
But I'm talking about comparing an automatic/manumatic to another manually-shifted gearbox type like a DSG, SMG, CVT. All you get is the paddles, as long as it shifts quick what does it matter what technology they use?
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the thing has double the amount of gears than my 99TL.

why do you need that many? its just gonna be really busy shifting. i dont think an auto needs any more than 5-6 speeds. thats good enough.
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8? why not make it a nice, round, 10. then you can tell ppl you drive a ten-speed... when they laugh, you pull up in this monger and say WA-LA...
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Originally Posted by gilboman
hm..that granny shifting auto still takes the car 0-60 in 5.1 and 1/4mile in 13.7
Yes it does (although those are the best times reported, it does). And?
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Originally Posted by Belzebutt
But if it has the performance, why does it matter? I used to loathe autos but after using the TSX one, I really don't care how it works, just as long as it shifts quick.
But it does not (shift quickly). The acceleration times are a result of a million variables, of which one is the speed of the gear shifts.

The IS350 I drove (in a closed course) had me thinking as the car's number one disadvantage as its tranny. Primarily because it was so slow to shift gears. It's slower than our 2001 CLS' tranny. Unless there was something wrong with that car's tranny, that was unacceptable for a car of this class in 2006.
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8 gears vs 5, 8 means a faster car 0-60 and better mpg. The real question is how many gears does it take to reach a medium of performance, if 16 gears is the medium then keep going, but it 6 was it then yea, stop.
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4.6L V8 380hp/370lb-ft of torque
8-speed automatic transmission
0-60 less than 5.5 seconds
Mid-20s MPG
Body Temperature sensors in seats
Automatic Parking assist
Smart Card (in place of key; can keep in wallet)
Built in Hard Drive for up to 4000 songs
Reclining seats (45 degrees) with ottomans and foot rests, massager
Individual DVD players

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01/08/2006 Detroit, MI

Lexus revealed the all-new 2007 LS 460 and the company's first-ever long-wheelbase model, the LS 460L, today at a press conference at the 2006 North American International Auto Show (NAIAS). Seventeen years after its initial launch in Detroit, the redesigned LS now combines new levels of performance, sophistication, contemporary styling and luxury refinements.

"The Lexus LS 460 was designed to expand the definition of the full-size luxury sedan," said Jim Press, Toyota Motor Sales president and COO. "The new LS is the product of an advanced production process developed specifically for this vehicle with remarkable new levels of accuracy, refinement, precision and craftsmanship. Considering our record for quality over the last 17 years, that's quite a statement," he added.

High Output V8, World's First Eight-Speed Transmission
The LS will be powered by an all-new highly advanced 4.6-liter V8 engine that will produce approximately 380 horsepower and 370 pound-feet of torque. Combined with an eight-speed automatic transmission, a world-first, the LS 460 will travel from zero-to-sixty miles per hour in less than 5.5 seconds. With that level of performance, the new LS will achieve an estimated combined city/highway mileage in the mid-20s. Lexus is targeting an Ultra-Low Emissions Vehicle II (ULEV II) rating for the LS 460.

The new LS is built on a sophisticated platform that maintains a delicate balance between ride comfort and responsive handling. The completely redesigned multilink suspension system includes an electronic power steering system and a next-generation Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) system.

VDIM is an advanced stability system that integrates and manages a new Electronically Controlled Brake (ECB) system, Electronic Power Steering (EPS), Vehicle Stability Control (VSC), Antilock Braking System (ABS), Brake Assist (BA), Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD) and engine torque via the electronically controlled throttle.

Monitoring a variety of sensors, the system is designed to anticipate the onset of a vehicle skid or slide and then help correct the situation with a combination of braking, throttle and steering control in a way that is essentially transparent to the driver. Data is gathered from more sources and processed earlier and faster than in previous designs, helping to make VDIM less obtrusive and even more effective.

First Long-Wheelbase Sedan
At nearly 203 inches, the long-wheelbase LS 460L provides an even higher level of comfort and convenience features along with some of the most advanced technology ever offered in a production automobile. The four-passenger compartment of the LS 460L transports its rear-seat passengers in an environment whose luxury features closely resemble those of a private jet.

Luxury, Redefined by Lexus
Intelligent technology and emotionally evocative design is clearly evident throughout the beautifully appointed cabin of the new LS sedans. Extra luxury and comfort touches include a heated steering wheel and seats swathed in one of four tones of semi-aniline leathers matched to one of three coordinating wood-grain trims.

Rear occupants can relax and enjoy power reclining seats equipped with power leg rests and even a massage feature. The new LS even offers body-heat sensors that help maintain the perfect temperature for all occupants. A fold-away table matched to the interior wood grain provides ample work space for rear passengers. The LS also features a nine-inch headliner-mounted rear-screen monitor along with an all-new 19-speaker Mark Levinson® audio system that provides a true theater-level entertainment experience. Additional luxury convenience features include a power rear-door closer and an automatic-powered opening/closing trunk lid.

New Lexus Design Direction
Over the last two years, Lexus has developed a new styling philosophy that it calls L-finesse. This new design language rests upon the inherent contrast between simplicity and elegance-and the beauty of achieving a balance between the two. Simplicity, in form and function, reflects styling that is uncluttered and void of extraneous elements. Lexus elegance, inside and out, avoids exaggeration by prioritizing understated luxury that is intriguing, subtle, seamless and slightly surprising.

Lexus imbued the development of the 2006 GS and IS series sport sedans with this new styling direction. Now the LS further expands the L-finesse visual philosophy, revealing a family resemblance in the new Lexus sedans-one that conveys elegance, refinement and a strong emotional appeal.
"During the next few months, we'll provide more details about the all-new Lexus LS 460 as we prepare to launch this highly anticipated sedan," said Press. "If you like the way the LS looks, you'll be even more impressed when you hear about its advanced safety and innovative technology," he added.

The 2007 Lexus LS 460 and LS 460L are targeted for sale beginning in the fall of 2006.


Preliminary Specifications
LS 460
(standard wheelbase) LS 460L
(long wheelbase)
Wheelbase (inches)
Difference: 4.8 Inches 116.9 121.7
Overall Length (inches)
Difference: 4.8 Inches 198.0 202.8
Overall Width (inches) 73.8
Overall Height (inches) 58.1
(w/coil suspension)
Engine 4.6-liter V8
Horsepower (estimated) Approximately 380 hp
Torque (estimated) Approximately 370 lb.-ft.
Drive Wheels Rear
Suspension Front & Rear Multilink Suspension
(5 links)
0-60 MPH Acceleration (mfr. results) Under 5.5 seconds
Fuel Economy* (city/highway) Combined fuel economy in the
Mid-20-mpg range
Emissions Rating** ULEV II
*Manufacturer's estimate of EPA fuel economy ratings
**Manufacturer's estimate of emissions ratings
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Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow check out the pictures of the new LS. It totally blows away the S-Class inside and out.
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^ It sounds great. I've got to give major props to Lexus for what I feel is one of the coolest and most useful features I've heard of in some time; the car has a hard drive that will be able to store 4,000 songs. I've wondered for a while why a manufacturer hadn't come out with a feature like that. If you have a bunch of cds, they can get bulky very quickly in the car. Being able to save them to the car's computer is genius, IMO. I hope other lux makers copy that.
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Originally Posted by TypeSAddict
Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow check out the pictures of the new LS. It totally blows away the S-Class inside and out.
I like the rear of the LS better than the S. The fronts are about what and what to me. I like the LS's, and the S's look good too; but the S's look more imposing, IMO.
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Originally Posted by titan
I like the rear of the LS better than the S. The fronts are about what and what to me. I like the LS's, and the S's look good too; but the S's look more imposing, IMO.
After closer examination of the S and LS, the S kills it (exterior wise) except of the rear.
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The S looks better from the outside in my opinion, from the pics.
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I think the outside is close......both look good, but I give the LS the edge. The inside is no comparison.
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That interior looks like crap compare to the German competitors.
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That interior is one of the best looking I think I've ever seen.
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Originally Posted by MSZ
That interior looks like crap compare to the German competitors.
lol
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Originally Posted by JackieO
That interior is one of the best looking I think I've ever seen.
IMO, Toyota's own Crown Majesta has much better looking interior:

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8 speed... im sure the shift computer will often skip gears. it would be retarded to always have to shift sequentially through every gear. depending on speed and how much gas the driver is giving the chip will probably assign a gear to it. cruising wise im sure it'll settle in the 8th gear so in the long run i dont think there will be a big noticeable difference, except for gas mileage in cruise speeds.

another thought is that they'll prob put in a user controlled driving mode... high economy mode uses higher gears low rpm... sport mode will stay in lower gear, etc.
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UHHHHHH..... WOW. interior pwns. omg.
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Originally Posted by MSZ
IMO, Toyota's own Crown Majesta has much better looking interior:

It is nice, but that's the first time I've seen it.
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lol. the FIRST thing i noticed about the car is none other than the bangle butt. Many critisized Bangle when the current gen 7 series debuted but his designs have influenced almost every company.

But on the LS - wow what a nice interior, nicer than the S IMO. No longer a wannabe S class look to the exterior either. Although the rear, including the tailights mimics that of a 7 series.
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
lol. the FIRST thing i noticed about the car is none other than the bangle butt. Many critisized Bangle when the current gen 7 series debuted but his designs have influenced almost every company.

But on the LS - wow what a nice interior, nicer than the S IMO. No longer a wannabe S class look to the exterior either. Although the rear, including the tailights mimics that of a 7 series.
regardless, here's what Audi, BMW and MB are doing:

but.... I think the front and rear ends leave something to be desired... BUT.... this car will still do WELL. I mean, incredibly well. It's like a poor man's Maybach, imo.
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Lexus Japan's official LS website:

http://lexus.jp/ms/2006detroit/

Spec. page from Lexus USA:

http://www.lexus.com/2007ls_preview/specifications.html

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It doesnt wow me. Looks more mid-size like the RL than a lexus flag ship. Guess i need to see it in person to see how the stance is.

Front totally looks like the RL
Side looks like a 5series
Rear looks like the 7series.

Interior is pretty sharp though.
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yea front end looks like an RL in that it has a grille, headlights, and a bumper.

honestly though I'm not too happy with the exterior... it leaves something to be desired.. I mean I look at it, and I'm feeling and ... the '90 LS had more exterior character and POISE.
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The center console looks kind of wierd... the way it seperates at the top looks funny. But other then that, HOLY SHIT! What a nice fucking car
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Like others have been saying, at first glance it does not look like a big, imposing flagship sedan. With that said, I really like the look. The weak point seems to be the front of the car which looks like it's flashing a partial smile...where as the 7er, S-class, and A8 look like they are glaring and scoffing in a haughty fashion. The rearend is very attractive and has more of an imposing stance. I especially like the integration of the exhaust and the Bangle butt--it works on this design for some odd reason.

The interior is quite nice as well. Sure, it's conservative...but it has gobs of wood, tons of leather, and gadgets and gizmos to keep the most computer savvy person in check. Yes, it's a bit traditional looking, but I like having all the buttons laid out in front of me. The LWB model has a mini-Maybach rear compartment, which is a very nice touch. Anyone see the wired remote label for rear seat passengers: "Rear Seat Relaxation System"

I am curious about the LWB model, however. Is it required that customers get 4-place seating in the LWB model? It almost makes it sound like this is so. Another nitpick--where are the headlamp washers? And how about the park-assist sensors? I know that Mercedes has been able to conceal their Parktronic sensors--has Lexus as well?

All in all, GREAT job Lexus. There really hasn't been a product in the Lexus lineup as of late that really strikes me--but this does.
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Originally Posted by SPUDMTN
Like others have been saying, at first glance it does not look like a big, imposing flagship sedan. With that said, I really like the look. The weak point seems to be the front of the car which looks like it's flashing a partial smile...where as the 7er, S-class, and A8 look like they are glaring and scoffing in a haughty fashion. The rearend is very attractive and has more of an imposing stance. I especially like the integration of the exhaust and the Bangle butt--it works on this design for some odd reason.

The interior is quite nice as well. Sure, it's conservative...but it has gobs of wood, tons of leather, and gadgets and gizmos to keep the most computer savvy person in check. Yes, it's a bit traditional looking, but I like having all the buttons laid out in front of me. The LWB model has a mini-Maybach rear compartment, which is a very nice touch. Anyone see the wired remote label for rear seat passengers: "Rear Seat Relaxation System"

I am curious about the LWB model, however. Is it required that customers get 4-place seating in the LWB model? It almost makes it sound like this is so. Another nitpick--where are the headlamp washers? And how about the park-assist sensors? I know that Mercedes has been able to conceal their Parktronic sensors--has Lexus as well?

All in all, GREAT job Lexus. There really hasn't been a product in the Lexus lineup as of late that really strikes me--but this does.
The headlamp washers and parking assist are definately there, just hidden like in the GS. The car parks itself for christ's sake, parking assist seems almost superfluous.


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