Lexus: LFA News
10-21-2009, 04:53 PM
#441
The sizzle in the Steak
, this is saying pretty much the same thing.
10-21-2009, 05:33 PM
#444
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it does have a lot of tech in it, and the body is 65% CF. add the 500 unit run to that and you get 350k, I guess.
10-21-2009, 05:41 PM
#445
The sizzle in the Steak
10-21-2009, 09:47 PM
#448
10-22-2009, 12:15 AM
#450
Honda Fanboy
Looks like Honda is going to be like Toyota for a couple years. The last real sports car from Toyota was the Supra when it was discontinued in 1997. Ever since then, the sportiest car from Toyota has been the 2000-2004 FWD Celica. You can throw the MR-S in there also if you want 
. Toyota has been without a sports car for the past 13 years. Honda has generally always had a sports car in its lineup since the mid 80's. Honda currently has the S2000 which is slated to end production this year. Once the S2000 is gone, you will be left with the 197 hp Si. Don't know where you are getting a 130hp 2 seater hybrid hatch from as the only sports car. Even then, it will still have more sports cars then Toyota does in its lineup until it comes out with that re badged Subaru some time during the next decade. For the last 13 years, Nissan and Honda have had more sport in their lineup than Toyota and it looks like Nissan will continue to have sportiest lineup of the Japanese 3.
So yes, as sad as a 197hp Si as the best sports car in Honda's lineup is, Toyota's lineup has been even sadder.
. Toyota has been without a sports car for the past 13 years. Honda has generally always had a sports car in its lineup since the mid 80's. Honda currently has the S2000 which is slated to end production this year. Once the S2000 is gone, you will be left with the 197 hp Si. Don't know where you are getting a 130hp 2 seater hybrid hatch from as the only sports car. Even then, it will still have more sports cars then Toyota does in its lineup until it comes out with that re badged Subaru some time during the next decade. For the last 13 years, Nissan and Honda have had more sport in their lineup than Toyota and it looks like Nissan will continue to have sportiest lineup of the Japanese 3. So yes, as sad as a 197hp Si as the best sports car in Honda's lineup is, Toyota's lineup has been even sadder.
10-22-2009, 02:15 AM
#452
Yeah, I dont really get all this hatred over price. Like any of you guys could buy it even if it was $150k. Regardless of how much it costs every one of them will be sold (probably presold) so Lexus doesn't really have to justify the price to any of us. My point is that its going to be an awesome car regardless of price...
And Costco, you and I agree on alot but IMO this car is gorgeous and unique; nothing like the GT-R....
And Costco, you and I agree on alot but IMO this car is gorgeous and unique; nothing like the GT-R....
But like it's been mentioned before, I think I'd splurge a bit extra and go for the CGT. Sure the price kinda gets out of perspective once cars start getting to be well over the six-figure mark since to most of us, it doesn't really matter... but it just seems off. I don't recall people going up in arms when the SLR came out, which costs only half a million. But MB has a long and storied history of racing and super high performance cars, so the price is a little easier to swallow I guess. It's just that Lexus is straying into previously unknown territory to the brand, and for comparison most were up in arms when they found out the ZR1 was just over $100,000, partly because it was a Corvette.
The interior is nicer than the CGT's
but I don't have a single complaint about the CGT's exterior styling. Its easy to say that they'll all be accounted for... but I would think its more of a status thing than it is for the performance and/or looks. When you're disgustingly filthy rich it's probably nicer to say outright "I have the new $400,000 Lexus which is production limited to 500 cars" rather than "I have the new Lexus with a V10 and 65% CF parts"Nonetheless hopefully this is a sign to come, it seems like Toyota and Lexus are finally starting to inject their lineup with some real excitement.
10-22-2009, 03:54 AM
#453
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Looks like Honda is going to be like Toyota for a couple years. The last real sports car from Toyota was the Supra when it was discontinued in 1997. Ever since then, the sportiest car from Toyota has been the 2000-2004 FWD Celica. You can throw the MR-S in there also if you want . Toyota has been without a sports car for the past 13 years. Honda has generally always had a sports car in its lineup since the mid 80's. Honda currently has the S2000 which is slated to end production this year. Once the S2000 is gone, you will be left with the 197 hp Si. Don't know where you are getting a 130hp 2 seater hybrid hatch from as the only sports car. Even then, it will still have more sports cars then Toyota does in its lineup until it comes out with that re badged Subaru some time during the next decade. For the last 13 years, Nissan and Honda have had more sport in their lineup than Toyota and it looks like Nissan will continue to have sportiest lineup of the Japanese 3.
So yes, as sad as a 197hp Si as the best sports car in Honda's lineup is, Toyota's lineup has been even sadder.
. Toyota has been without a sports car for the past 13 years. Honda has generally always had a sports car in its lineup since the mid 80's. Honda currently has the S2000 which is slated to end production this year. Once the S2000 is gone, you will be left with the 197 hp Si. Don't know where you are getting a 130hp 2 seater hybrid hatch from as the only sports car. Even then, it will still have more sports cars then Toyota does in its lineup until it comes out with that re badged Subaru some time during the next decade. For the last 13 years, Nissan and Honda have had more sport in their lineup than Toyota and it looks like Nissan will continue to have sportiest lineup of the Japanese 3. So yes, as sad as a 197hp Si as the best sports car in Honda's lineup is, Toyota's lineup has been even sadder.
10-22-2009, 06:50 AM
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Looks like Honda is going to be like Toyota for a couple years. The last real sports car from Toyota was the Supra when it was discontinued in 1997. Ever since then, the sportiest car from Toyota has been the 2000-2004 FWD Celica. You can throw the MR-S in there also if you want . Toyota has been without a sports car for the past 13 years. Honda has generally always had a sports car in its lineup since the mid 80's. Honda currently has the S2000 which is slated to end production this year. Once the S2000 is gone, you will be left with the 197 hp Si. Don't know where you are getting a 130hp 2 seater hybrid hatch from as the only sports car. Even then, it will still have more sports cars then Toyota does in its lineup until it comes out with that re badged Subaru some time during the next decade. For the last 13 years, Nissan and Honda have had more sport in their lineup than Toyota and it looks like Nissan will continue to have sportiest lineup of the Japanese 3.
So yes, as sad as a 197hp Si as the best sports car in Honda's lineup is, Toyota's lineup has been even sadder.
. Toyota has been without a sports car for the past 13 years. Honda has generally always had a sports car in its lineup since the mid 80's. Honda currently has the S2000 which is slated to end production this year. Once the S2000 is gone, you will be left with the 197 hp Si. Don't know where you are getting a 130hp 2 seater hybrid hatch from as the only sports car. Even then, it will still have more sports cars then Toyota does in its lineup until it comes out with that re badged Subaru some time during the next decade. For the last 13 years, Nissan and Honda have had more sport in their lineup than Toyota and it looks like Nissan will continue to have sportiest lineup of the Japanese 3. So yes, as sad as a 197hp Si as the best sports car in Honda's lineup is, Toyota's lineup has been even sadder.
Toyota's new chief is more committed to bringing sports and excitement to Toyota than Honda's chief is. So the days of a bland Toyota are over, and Honda doesn't really stand a chance (especially with their US designs in the toilet).
10-22-2009, 10:40 AM
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Press release for the Tokyo debut...
Lexus announces today the official launch of the LFA, a two-seat supercar scheduled to go into production at the end of 2010 as the pinnacle of the Lexus "F" premium sports car series. Pre-sales start today.
Ultra-responsive and extremely stable even when taken to the edge, the LFA creates a sense of reassurance that opens up a new world of driving emotion, exhilarating the senses to move the driver in more ways than one.
The LFA combines high output, superb chassis design and meticulous aerodynamics to achieve instantaneous total-vehicle response characterized by high-rev, seamless acceleration echoed by a self-defining resonance from its 4.8-liter V10.
Only 500 units of the LFA are to be produced and sold worldwide.
A prototype of the LFA is now on display at the 41st Tokyo Motor Show, which is open to the general public from October 24 to November 4 at Makuhari Messe in Makuhari, Chiba Prefecture.
Strong and light
The newly developed 4.8-liter V10 engine boasts exceptional power, while lightweight materials (aluminum alloy, magnesium alloy and titanium alloy) and a very compact size (smaller than a conventional V8) allows for optimal weight distribution and an exceptional power-to-weight ratio.
Carbon fiber reinforced plastic (CFRP) cabin enhances high body-rigidity and reduces weight. This unique cabin is 100kg lighter than a comparable aluminum cabin. Detailed analysis and precise matching of CFRP materials allows for high rigidity and low weight. LFA CFRP production technology, including unique CFRP-to-metal joining, was completely developed by Lexus.
Balanced
Relatively higher weight components such as the engine and transmission are placed within the wheelbase. A low center of gravity is made possible by the use of dry sump lubrication1, along with placing peripheral components (oil pump, water pump) behind the engine. Furthermore, optimal placement of the transmission and the fuel tank in front of the rear axle adds to this application of centralized mass. This minimizes weight shift during cornering and contributes to outstanding performance and stability. Lighter weight components, like the radiator and electric fans, are placed behind the rear axle.
Combined with a front-engine and rear-wheel-drive configuration, the short, wide and low body allows the LFA to achieve its target front-to-rear weight distribution of 48:52.
Driver-centered
The driver's seat is positioned near the LFA's center of gravity. The centralized seating concept (with the seat between the front and rear axles and closer to the left–right center) is made possible by the use of a rear transaxle and vertically stacked torque tube and exhaust pipes reducing the width of the center tunnel. The driver placement is aimed to provide maximum car-to-driver feedback, especially under sport or high G-force driving conditions.
V10 Engine
Titanium valves, ultra–light weight rocker arms with a diamond–like coating and a fully integrated lower crankcase that reduces pumping losses at high RPMs combine to provide the driver with overwhelming acceleration right up to the 9,000rpm redline. The LFA's purpose-built V10 delivers 90% of its peak torque between 3,700rpm and 9,000rpm.
Precise Response
Independent, electronically controlled throttle bodies ensure precise air-feed to each of the 10 cylinders, enabling immediate engine response from the accelerator pedal. The engine response time is approximately half the normal response time of a single-throttle valve.
The six-speed ASG transmission features heavy-duty synchronizer rings and a newly developed gearshift actuator, providing the driver with a very direct shift feel. Four selectable driving modes and a seven-stage shift-speed selector that results in upshift speeds down to 0.2 seconds provide a higher level of driver control.
Track-sized high-performance (Carbon Ceramic) CCM brake discs and Electronically Controlled Braking system generate ultra-powerful yet stable braking.
Handling and Dynamics
The very light and rigid CFRP cabin, combined with a front double-wishbone suspension and a rear multilink suspension, result in a very stable, controlled ride. Detailed aerodynamic engineering results in elements such as a flat underbody, a diffuser and a speed-controlled rear wing, which allows precise vehicle response at all vehicle speeds, thus creating unity between driver and machine.
Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management integrates numerous vehicle dynamic functions that provide a high level of vehicle stability and preventative safety without interfering with the driver's intentions, especially when sport driving.
Exciting engine sound and L-finesse2 design
Equal-length exhaust manifolds combined with an equal-length dual exhaust system routed through a multistage titanium main muffler fine tunes the exhaust note.
An acoustically tuned surge tank linked to 10 individual throttle bodies creates a powerful induction sound. The coordination of intake and exhaust sounds overlap at various RPMs to create a unique, exciting and inspired soundtrack.
The exterior design includes carefully tuned aerodynamics and airflow management. The use of CFRP, in addition to strength and weight advantages, frees up the design of the exterior panels allowing a fresh supercar L-finesse design. The interior design combines state-of-the-art instrument-panel design and technology, along with a variety of custom-tailored interior trim packages to suit the most discerning driver.
Ultra-responsive and extremely stable even when taken to the edge, the LFA creates a sense of reassurance that opens up a new world of driving emotion, exhilarating the senses to move the driver in more ways than one.
The LFA combines high output, superb chassis design and meticulous aerodynamics to achieve instantaneous total-vehicle response characterized by high-rev, seamless acceleration echoed by a self-defining resonance from its 4.8-liter V10.
Only 500 units of the LFA are to be produced and sold worldwide.
A prototype of the LFA is now on display at the 41st Tokyo Motor Show, which is open to the general public from October 24 to November 4 at Makuhari Messe in Makuhari, Chiba Prefecture.
Strong and light
The newly developed 4.8-liter V10 engine boasts exceptional power, while lightweight materials (aluminum alloy, magnesium alloy and titanium alloy) and a very compact size (smaller than a conventional V8) allows for optimal weight distribution and an exceptional power-to-weight ratio.
Carbon fiber reinforced plastic (CFRP) cabin enhances high body-rigidity and reduces weight. This unique cabin is 100kg lighter than a comparable aluminum cabin. Detailed analysis and precise matching of CFRP materials allows for high rigidity and low weight. LFA CFRP production technology, including unique CFRP-to-metal joining, was completely developed by Lexus.
Balanced
Relatively higher weight components such as the engine and transmission are placed within the wheelbase. A low center of gravity is made possible by the use of dry sump lubrication1, along with placing peripheral components (oil pump, water pump) behind the engine. Furthermore, optimal placement of the transmission and the fuel tank in front of the rear axle adds to this application of centralized mass. This minimizes weight shift during cornering and contributes to outstanding performance and stability. Lighter weight components, like the radiator and electric fans, are placed behind the rear axle.
Combined with a front-engine and rear-wheel-drive configuration, the short, wide and low body allows the LFA to achieve its target front-to-rear weight distribution of 48:52.
Driver-centered
The driver's seat is positioned near the LFA's center of gravity. The centralized seating concept (with the seat between the front and rear axles and closer to the left–right center) is made possible by the use of a rear transaxle and vertically stacked torque tube and exhaust pipes reducing the width of the center tunnel. The driver placement is aimed to provide maximum car-to-driver feedback, especially under sport or high G-force driving conditions.
V10 Engine
Titanium valves, ultra–light weight rocker arms with a diamond–like coating and a fully integrated lower crankcase that reduces pumping losses at high RPMs combine to provide the driver with overwhelming acceleration right up to the 9,000rpm redline. The LFA's purpose-built V10 delivers 90% of its peak torque between 3,700rpm and 9,000rpm.
Precise Response
Independent, electronically controlled throttle bodies ensure precise air-feed to each of the 10 cylinders, enabling immediate engine response from the accelerator pedal. The engine response time is approximately half the normal response time of a single-throttle valve.
The six-speed ASG transmission features heavy-duty synchronizer rings and a newly developed gearshift actuator, providing the driver with a very direct shift feel. Four selectable driving modes and a seven-stage shift-speed selector that results in upshift speeds down to 0.2 seconds provide a higher level of driver control.
Track-sized high-performance (Carbon Ceramic) CCM brake discs and Electronically Controlled Braking system generate ultra-powerful yet stable braking.
Handling and Dynamics
The very light and rigid CFRP cabin, combined with a front double-wishbone suspension and a rear multilink suspension, result in a very stable, controlled ride. Detailed aerodynamic engineering results in elements such as a flat underbody, a diffuser and a speed-controlled rear wing, which allows precise vehicle response at all vehicle speeds, thus creating unity between driver and machine.
Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management integrates numerous vehicle dynamic functions that provide a high level of vehicle stability and preventative safety without interfering with the driver's intentions, especially when sport driving.
Exciting engine sound and L-finesse2 design
Equal-length exhaust manifolds combined with an equal-length dual exhaust system routed through a multistage titanium main muffler fine tunes the exhaust note.
An acoustically tuned surge tank linked to 10 individual throttle bodies creates a powerful induction sound. The coordination of intake and exhaust sounds overlap at various RPMs to create a unique, exciting and inspired soundtrack.
The exterior design includes carefully tuned aerodynamics and airflow management. The use of CFRP, in addition to strength and weight advantages, frees up the design of the exterior panels allowing a fresh supercar L-finesse design. The interior design combines state-of-the-art instrument-panel design and technology, along with a variety of custom-tailored interior trim packages to suit the most discerning driver.
10-22-2009, 06:37 PM
#458
Some dude
10-22-2009, 06:48 PM
#459
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mmmmhmmm....
10-22-2009, 07:11 PM
#462
Honda Fanboy
Lexus has had the IS-F for quite some time, and already has a range of RWD luxury vehicles, so they haven't been without sporty vehicles for 13 years. The FT-86 is coming out next year for the Toyota lineup, and Lexus is gonna have a new sportier SC, new IS, new GS and of course the LFA is coming out later next year.
Toyota's new chief is more committed to bringing sports and excitement to Toyota than Honda's chief is. So the days of a bland Toyota are over, and Honda doesn't really stand a chance (especially with their US designs in the toilet).
Toyota's new chief is more committed to bringing sports and excitement to Toyota than Honda's chief is. So the days of a bland Toyota are over, and Honda doesn't really stand a chance (especially with their US designs in the toilet).
When it comes to sports cars, Honda is leagues ahead of Toyota. The LFA engine was designed by Yamaha. When was the last time you saw Honda have someone else build a major component of their sports cars? Even the re badged Subaru that Toyota is coming out with is a half-ass attempt. Honda builds their sports cars themselves and it shows. The chief of Toyota is more committed to sportiness right now, but it's the wrong time. Honda is being smart by focusing all their power on green technology because ultimately, most analysts agree that green is the future.
10-22-2009, 07:13 PM
#464
if the vehicle outperforms by a good margin within the same price range, then yes. if not, the company is either wasting money on development or embarrassing themselves.
10-23-2009, 09:04 AM
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If the 2008 IS-F debut has been "quite some time" for you then so be it. Having RWD doesn't equal sports car. The sportiest car in the Lexus lineup is the IS. Before that, no other Lexus, including the IS300 was a handler. Don't confuse straight line speed with sportiness either. We all know the re badged Subaru is coming out the next decade; the first somewhat sporty and fast rear-wheel drive car with a Toyota badge since 1997 (don't kid yourself with the MR-S). Toyota has not confirmed that there will be a new SC, let alone a sportier SC. Please support your claims with data. The new IS has a while to go, it just went through a mid-model change. The GS has not even received its mid-model change yet so don't expect to see that before 2012.
When it comes to sports cars, Honda is leagues ahead of Toyota. The LFA engine was designed by Yamaha. When was the last time you saw Honda have someone else build a major component of their sports cars? Even the re badged Subaru that Toyota is coming out with is a half-ass attempt. Honda builds their sports cars themselves and it shows. The chief of Toyota is more committed to sportiness right now, but it's the wrong time. Honda is being smart by focusing all their power on green technology because ultimately, most analysts agree that green is the future.
When it comes to sports cars, Honda is leagues ahead of Toyota. The LFA engine was designed by Yamaha. When was the last time you saw Honda have someone else build a major component of their sports cars? Even the re badged Subaru that Toyota is coming out with is a half-ass attempt. Honda builds their sports cars themselves and it shows. The chief of Toyota is more committed to sportiness right now, but it's the wrong time. Honda is being smart by focusing all their power on green technology because ultimately, most analysts agree that green is the future.
When you look at the specs of the LFA, it's actually a little bit disappointing, especially when you compare it with the Ferrari 458, which is actually much cheaper. For instance, the 458 can rev as high, if not higher, just by using a V8 engine (it's funny how Toyota claimed that a V10 is needed to achieve such high rpm). The 458 produces almost 50lbft more torque with a smaller engine. The 458 engine has mroe usable torque (ie, 318lbft of torque starting at 3200rpm, vs 3700rpm in the LFA). Perhaps the lack of direct injection is causing this problem. The 458 uses a 7-speed twin-tluch tranny, vs the old-fashioned 6-speed automated manual. They both weigh about the same and have similar exterior dimensions. How can the LFA be that heavy when it employs so much carbon fiber (according to Lexus)? It also seems like the LFA hasn't been able to beat the GTR's nurburgring laptime.
What is this then? A Lexus that costs as much as a Porsche Carrera GT, Pagani Zonda, Ferrari 599GTB, while offering less performance than the "junior" supercars such as the Ferrari 458, GTR, and most likely the upcoming McLaren MP4-12.
So..what's good about this car? Well, at least Toyota finally joined the supercar cup like Honda and Nissan did. It's also going to be rare as only 500 of them will be produced.
10-23-2009, 09:11 AM
#466
^couldnt have said it better myself. Well put.
This car doesn't impress me in the least...mostly because of the competition. And its styling is meh at best.
10-23-2009, 09:47 AM
#468
If the 2008 IS-F debut has been "quite some time" for you then so be it. Having RWD doesn't equal sports car. The sportiest car in the Lexus lineup is the IS. Before that, no other Lexus, including the IS300 was a handler. Don't confuse straight line speed with sportiness either. We all know the re badged Subaru is coming out the next decade; the first somewhat sporty and fast rear-wheel drive car with a Toyota badge since 1997 (don't kid yourself with the MR-S). Toyota has not confirmed that there will be a new SC, let alone a sportier SC. Please support your claims with data. The new IS has a while to go, it just went through a mid-model change. The GS has not even received its mid-model change yet so don't expect to see that before 2012.
When it comes to sports cars, Honda is leagues ahead of Toyota. The LFA engine was designed by Yamaha. When was the last time you saw Honda have someone else build a major component of their sports cars? Even the re badged Subaru that Toyota is coming out with is a half-ass attempt. Honda builds their sports cars themselves and it shows. The chief of Toyota is more committed to sportiness right now, but it's the wrong time. Honda is being smart by focusing all their power on green technology because ultimately, most analysts agree that green is the future.
When it comes to sports cars, Honda is leagues ahead of Toyota. The LFA engine was designed by Yamaha. When was the last time you saw Honda have someone else build a major component of their sports cars? Even the re badged Subaru that Toyota is coming out with is a half-ass attempt. Honda builds their sports cars themselves and it shows. The chief of Toyota is more committed to sportiness right now, but it's the wrong time. Honda is being smart by focusing all their power on green technology because ultimately, most analysts agree that green is the future.
Seriously the IS 300 was not a handler?
First time anyone has said that.What rebadged Suburu? Again its a collaboration. It is called "synergy" and think "win/win".
Nissan is the only one right now leagues ahead of anyone. Toyota and Honda both had sports cars and canned them ALL pretty much. tC vs Civic. lol
There is no "wrong" time? Was the NSX was "wrong time" as the economy was similar to the state it is in today? Hyundai pushed ahead with RWD and V-8s. Was it wrong? Is Cadillac wrong for a CTS-V? Are the Germans wrong for producing more and more powerful vehicles?
What Supercar is perfect? They are all exercises in the extreme and enthusiasts love them for what they are. Its great that Japan has the GT-R and the LF-A to go against German and Italian and British, American, Sweedish, etc offerings.
I 
Honda is going backwards in direction. There cars are getting less fun, uglier, heavier and they claim they are going green 
I dont see that either. There feeble attempt at hybrid is years behind toyota, and i dont see the mileage ratings on the cars going up. see them going down. They tout Acura as a luxury division, im sorry they arent unless they are comparing them to themselves. They have nothing that makes them stand out any more (except for bad designs)
Thats my
Honda is going backwards in direction. There cars are getting less fun, uglier, heavier and they claim they are going green I dont see that either. There feeble attempt at hybrid is years behind toyota, and i dont see the mileage ratings on the cars going up. see them going down. They tout Acura as a luxury division, im sorry they arent unless they are comparing them to themselves. They have nothing that makes them stand out any more (except for bad designs)Thats my
10-23-2009, 11:29 AM
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Ya, I see where you are coming from. Toyota also asked Yamaha for help when they were designing the engine in the Celica GTS.
When you look at the specs of the LFA, it's actually a little bit disappointing, especially when you compare it with the Ferrari 458, which is actually much cheaper. For instance, the 458 can rev as high, if not higher, just by using a V8 engine (it's funny how Toyota claimed that a V10 is needed to achieve such high rpm). The 458 produces almost 50lbft more torque with a smaller engine. The 458 engine has mroe usable torque (ie, 318lbft of torque starting at 3200rpm, vs 3700rpm in the LFA). Perhaps the lack of direct injection is causing this problem. The 458 uses a 7-speed twin-tluch tranny, vs the old-fashioned 6-speed automated manual. They both weigh about the same and have similar exterior dimensions. How can the LFA be that heavy when it employs so much carbon fiber (according to Lexus)? It also seems like the LFA hasn't been able to beat the GTR's nurburgring laptime.
What is this then? A Lexus that costs as much as a Porsche Carrera GT, Pagani Zonda, Ferrari 599GTB, while offering less performance than the "junior" supercars such as the Ferrari 458, GTR, and most likely the upcoming McLaren MP4-12.
So..what's good about this car? Well, at least Toyota finally joined the supercar cup like Honda and Nissan did. It's also going to be rare as only 500 of them will be produced.
When you look at the specs of the LFA, it's actually a little bit disappointing, especially when you compare it with the Ferrari 458, which is actually much cheaper. For instance, the 458 can rev as high, if not higher, just by using a V8 engine (it's funny how Toyota claimed that a V10 is needed to achieve such high rpm). The 458 produces almost 50lbft more torque with a smaller engine. The 458 engine has mroe usable torque (ie, 318lbft of torque starting at 3200rpm, vs 3700rpm in the LFA). Perhaps the lack of direct injection is causing this problem. The 458 uses a 7-speed twin-tluch tranny, vs the old-fashioned 6-speed automated manual. They both weigh about the same and have similar exterior dimensions. How can the LFA be that heavy when it employs so much carbon fiber (according to Lexus)? It also seems like the LFA hasn't been able to beat the GTR's nurburgring laptime.
What is this then? A Lexus that costs as much as a Porsche Carrera GT, Pagani Zonda, Ferrari 599GTB, while offering less performance than the "junior" supercars such as the Ferrari 458, GTR, and most likely the upcoming McLaren MP4-12.
So..what's good about this car? Well, at least Toyota finally joined the supercar cup like Honda and Nissan did. It's also going to be rare as only 500 of them will be produced.
Meanwhile, Toyota produces their FIRST supercar and it has a V10 with a 9000-rpm redline. I think they did OK. In terms of other manufacturers, there weren't really any high-revving V8's until recently. Ferrari was alone in that area for many many years. In terms of Toyota saying a V10 was required for high-revs, I don't think that's something to point fingers at, it's just a technology they used to achieve their goal. They are most surely aware of the V8's in the world which rev to similar numbers. I do still think they are asking too much for it but we already discussed this. Ok so that's my 2 cents.
10-23-2009, 11:45 AM
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A Halo car that shows that they can produce a supercar.
Instant prestige for the Lexus brand.
10-23-2009, 12:33 PM
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This is the first Lexus that people outside of the US are really talking about. Lexus already has prestige for the most part in the US, but the LFA is going to make Europeans really start to take Lexus seriously.
Instant prestige!
10-23-2009, 12:37 PM
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I drive a Subata.
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10-23-2009, 06:16 PM
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10-23-2009, 06:43 PM
#474
The sizzle in the Steak
You can pretty much configure everything. 
10-23-2009, 08:07 PM
#475
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So collaborating is a bad thing? From the official report, Yamaha worked with them, they didn't make the engine. The vehicle was a clean sheet, like the NSX. I don't see you mentioning how they developed their own Carbon Fiber process oddly.
Seriously the IS 300 was not a handler? First time anyone has said that. What rebadged Suburu? Again its a collaboration. It is called "synergy" and think "win/win".
Nobody said collaboration was a bad thing. The official report is correct in saying that Yamaha worked with Toyota, as in Toyota told Yamaha what they wanted and Yamaha built it. Simple as that. What does their carbon fiber process have to do with anything? The car is still considered overweight compared to it's competitors (ex: Porsche GT2 is made of steel and still weighs 100kg less than the LFA). The IS300 was a good handling car for a Toyota/Lexus. In fact, if memory serves me right, I don't think it was even capable of out-handling the 2nd gen FWD TL-TypeS. Again, collaboration is not a bad thing. However, when you need to collaborate to build your super car, that tells me that there is a lack of resources and/or knowledge/devotion/ability.
Nissan is the only one right now leagues ahead of anyone. Toyota and Honda both had sports cars and canned them ALL pretty much. tC vs Civic. lol
Like I already said, Nissan is the sportiest of the Japanese 3. However, up until this day, Honda still has a rwd sports car in their lineup while Toyota hasn't had anything that could match it since 1997.
There is no "wrong" time? Was the NSX was "wrong time" as the economy was similar to the state it is in today? Hyundai pushed ahead with RWD and V-8s. Was it wrong? Is Cadillac wrong for a CTS-V? Are the Germans wrong for producing more and more powerful vehicles?
Comparing the economy of 1990 to todays is ridiculous. As bad is it may have been in 1990, it wasn't remotely close to the situation of today. Home prices were still very high for the time and gas was dirt cheap. Todays environment has a multitude of factors affecting the purchasing power of consumers. Comparing a $30k Hyundai and a $50k Cadillac to a $375k car is outrageous. Try comparing to Ferrari, who yes, has made statements about going green and building cars with 40% greater efficiency and offering a hybrid supercar. The Germans have been talking about reducing their number of V8's and focusing more on 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Where did you read they were building more and more powerful vehicles?
What Supercar is perfect? They are all exercises in the extreme and enthusiasts love them for what they are. Its great that Japan has the GT-R and the LF-A to go against German and Italian and British, American, Sweedish, etc offerings.
No supercar is perfect. I don't think I can recall anyone here claiming otherwise. I am merely expressing my opinion about the LFA after gathering all the facts about it.
Seriously the IS 300 was not a handler?
First time anyone has said that. What rebadged Suburu? Again its a collaboration. It is called "synergy" and think "win/win". Nobody said collaboration was a bad thing. The official report is correct in saying that Yamaha worked with Toyota, as in Toyota told Yamaha what they wanted and Yamaha built it. Simple as that. What does their carbon fiber process have to do with anything? The car is still considered overweight compared to it's competitors (ex: Porsche GT2 is made of steel and still weighs 100kg less than the LFA). The IS300 was a good handling car for a Toyota/Lexus. In fact, if memory serves me right, I don't think it was even capable of out-handling the 2nd gen FWD TL-TypeS. Again, collaboration is not a bad thing. However, when you need to collaborate to build your super car, that tells me that there is a lack of resources and/or knowledge/devotion/ability.
Nissan is the only one right now leagues ahead of anyone. Toyota and Honda both had sports cars and canned them ALL pretty much. tC vs Civic. lol
Like I already said, Nissan is the sportiest of the Japanese 3. However, up until this day, Honda still has a rwd sports car in their lineup while Toyota hasn't had anything that could match it since 1997.
There is no "wrong" time? Was the NSX was "wrong time" as the economy was similar to the state it is in today? Hyundai pushed ahead with RWD and V-8s. Was it wrong? Is Cadillac wrong for a CTS-V? Are the Germans wrong for producing more and more powerful vehicles?
Comparing the economy of 1990 to todays is ridiculous. As bad is it may have been in 1990, it wasn't remotely close to the situation of today. Home prices were still very high for the time and gas was dirt cheap. Todays environment has a multitude of factors affecting the purchasing power of consumers. Comparing a $30k Hyundai and a $50k Cadillac to a $375k car is outrageous. Try comparing to Ferrari, who yes, has made statements about going green and building cars with 40% greater efficiency and offering a hybrid supercar. The Germans have been talking about reducing their number of V8's and focusing more on 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Where did you read they were building more and more powerful vehicles?
What Supercar is perfect? They are all exercises in the extreme and enthusiasts love them for what they are. Its great that Japan has the GT-R and the LF-A to go against German and Italian and British, American, Sweedish, etc offerings.
No supercar is perfect. I don't think I can recall anyone here claiming otherwise. I am merely expressing my opinion about the LFA after gathering all the facts about it.
10-23-2009, 08:18 PM
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nice start-from-stop acceleration run at 2:18... nice vid overall too - car looks pretty good here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tGnUSf3ozI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tGnUSf3ozI
10-24-2009, 12:26 AM
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Srika, I think what you just said could be applied to the Honda NSX too when it first came out. In fact, prior to the NSX, Honda was only known as a SMALL company that makes the bread and butter Accord and Civic. Toyota is different though, it's the largest Japanese car company, and it's one of the largest (if not the largest already) in the world. I agree, they don't have experience making supercars, but they have made a lot of sports cars in the past. I don't think I could say the same thing for Honda (the days before the NSX came).
I guess what I'm getting at is that, I can't think of anything that's really special about the LF-A, beside the fact that it's the first supercar from Toyota and probably the first Japanese production car to reach over 200mph stock. The latter claim is a big thing of course. However, IMO, those claims are not as big as "first Japanese supercar," or "Japanese Ferrari." It also cannot claim it has the fastest Nurburgring lap time like the GTR while being a lot cheaper than other supercars. I agree, it really depends on how you see it. I don't know about you, to me, I still think driving in a Ferrari 458 would make me feel "superior" than driving a Lexus LFA.
As far as the engine goes, the high revving ability is most likely due to the fact that Toyota got assistance from Yamaha. You don't see many high revving V8's because in general, making a high revving engine is more costly and more engineering is needed. The cheap way is still to go with big capacity or forced induction. Another problem is that a lot of people associate high revving = low torque (Think S2000, then think about Corvette).
Moog, i agree, in terms of prestige, Lexus/Toyota has accomplished its mission.
Srika, I think what you just said could be applied to the Honda NSX too when it first came out. In fact, prior to the NSX, Honda was only known as a SMALL company that makes the bread and butter Accord and Civic. Toyota is different though, it's the largest Japanese car company, and it's one of the largest (if not the largest already) in the world. I agree, they don't have experience making supercars, but they have made a lot of sports cars in the past. I don't think I could say the same thing for Honda (the days before the NSX came).
I guess what I'm getting at is that, I can't think of anything that's really special about the LF-A, beside the fact that it's the first supercar from Toyota and probably the first Japanese production car to reach over 200mph stock. The latter claim is a big thing of course. However, IMO, those claims are not as big as "first Japanese supercar," or "Japanese Ferrari." It also cannot claim it has the fastest Nurburgring lap time like the GTR while being a lot cheaper than other supercars. I agree, it really depends on how you see it. I don't know about you, to me, I still think driving in a Ferrari 458 would make me feel "superior" than driving a Lexus LFA.
As far as the engine goes, the high revving ability is most likely due to the fact that Toyota got assistance from Yamaha. You don't see many high revving V8's because in general, making a high revving engine is more costly and more engineering is needed. The cheap way is still to go with big capacity or forced induction. Another problem is that a lot of people associate high revving = low torque (Think S2000, then think about Corvette).
Moog, i agree, in terms of prestige, Lexus/Toyota has accomplished its mission.
10-24-2009, 08:11 AM
#480
Go Big Blue!
Based on the specs, and the lack of supercar pedigree for the brand, I have to say this product seems ridiculously out in left field. This is a supercar with a price approaching $400k eventhough the brand is mainly known for soft riding, sensible, and attainable, luxury vehicles.
I realize they started venturing outside that relm recently with the IS-F, but a $70k car is not much of a stretch and seemed like a reasonable idea. This LFA is a head scratcher for me. Seems like they should have come out with a larger step-up offering to the IS-F in the $100k range (a SL competitor) and stretched the F line more slowly. I honestly can't imagine them selling more than 10 of these a year to a few rich oil sheiks.
I wish them well and hope they get a big return on the investment from a brand boost and increased sales of the IS-F, otherwise, shareholders are not going to be happy. I know I wouldn't be a happy stockholder if I saw them come out with this after my stock dropped 70% in 3 years.
I realize they started venturing outside that relm recently with the IS-F, but a $70k car is not much of a stretch and seemed like a reasonable idea. This LFA is a head scratcher for me. Seems like they should have come out with a larger step-up offering to the IS-F in the $100k range (a SL competitor) and stretched the F line more slowly. I honestly can't imagine them selling more than 10 of these a year to a few rich oil sheiks.
I wish them well and hope they get a big return on the investment from a brand boost and increased sales of the IS-F, otherwise, shareholders are not going to be happy. I know I wouldn't be a happy stockholder if I saw them come out with this after my stock dropped 70% in 3 years.