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Old 02-09-2006, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BUD001
I m beginning to think i made the right choice when i waited for the IS. I might just jump into the ES instead. I wonder how much a decently equipped one would cost.

BTW, casette space = ipod adapter.
the IS has an auxilary input in the armrest, you can just plug a cable from that into the headphone jack of the ipod. do you really want an ES? it's a totally different car compared to the IS. the ES just screams old mans car no matter how they design it. and it's still FWD.
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Originally Posted by Motohip
I don't like that. I like symetry.
Me too. It's poorly done here. For the few inches that's it's off center they should have just made it symetrical.
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Old 02-09-2006, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by chungkopi
new ES= no more mom's car
Same here.
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Old 02-09-2006, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by iNteGraz92
do you really want an ES? it's a totally different car compared to the IS. the ES just screams old mans car no matter how they design it. and it's still FWD.
So what? You make it sound the car isn't worth shit just because it's FWD. And it doesn't scream old man's car (the Avalon does, though). This car is good looking, in and out. It'll be quiet, plush, and luxurious. If that's what you're looking for in a car, why not get it? I'd never get the IS. It's to damn small.
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My first car was an ES, actually, back in 97. the new Gen 3 ES was just out and i snapped one up as my first car. It was not an exiciting drive, but it handles OK and is very comfortable. I call for a very exacting standard with my car choices, but the ES looks like it will do a decent job.

You also have to realize that i live in South Florida, land of the perpetual straight highways, with virtually no curves to throw a IS around the way i want to. Although I love the IS at the launch event test drive, but:

1. Its a wee bit small
2. IT has been almost 5 months since the car is available and the waiting list is still miles long and no relief is in sight. They are not even building cars with options/packages at this point. You either get basic, basic and nav and 18s, basic and 18s, or basic and heated/cooled seats with 18s/nav. I want the Lux package and no dealers in this state even has one on the allocation sheet.

I am going to hold out for another month or so to see if the situation improves, plus if all else fails, i can always switch from one waiting list to another.
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Old 02-10-2006, 07:22 AM
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Ahh, now it makes sense. But I don't like it either.
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Old 02-10-2006, 09:51 PM
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On the other hand, I would take this off center, egg shaped design over the gs series layout, just doesn't do anything for me all squared up in the console...
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Old 02-10-2006, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
On the other hand, I would take this off center, egg shaped design over the gs series layout, just doesn't do anything for me all squared up in the console...
I love the GS's dash and console. The materials are great; ergomically speaking, it's perfect; and everything's in the driver's reach.
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Old 02-10-2006, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Motohip
I don't like that. I like symetry.
If you spend some time in a E36 M3 you might find you appreciate asymmetry in a center stack. One of the few things I miss in my E46.

I really like the new ES and it (along with a dozen or more other cars) is on my radar to replace my travel car with, the cassette deck is actually a positive for me since I check out 6-8 books on tape from the library each time I travel and my library has 10 books on tape for every book on CD, and although it does save me 25-30 bucks per trip it is really the ease of checking out and returning them all at once and not haveing to serch for and stop at Cracker Barrels on my trips. If I get a TSX, it would be one of the what 3 or 4 with the cassette deck added. I am also a big fan of the new 3.5l.
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Old 02-11-2006, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ilitig8
If you spend some time in a E36 M3 you might find you appreciate asymmetry in a center stack. One of the few things I miss in my E46.
IMO, that is what I would call purposeful asymmetry. But in the new ES, there really is no need for the wood to be cut like that. When I first saw it, I didn't even notice the asymmetrical console, I just thought the wood was crooked. In other words, it doesn't look driver oriented; more like a mistake from the production line.
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Old 02-11-2006, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by titan
I love the GS's dash and console. The materials are great; ergomically speaking, it's perfect; and everything's in the driver's reach.
I think you missunderstood.
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Old 02-11-2006, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Motohip
I think you missunderstood.
I don't think so. You said you'd take the egg shaped off center console of the new ES over the GS. I was just saying that I prefer the GS's layout over that of the ES's. Just a difference of opinion. I'm not saying the ES's isn't attractive. It's just unsual. The hole center stack is angled toward the driver. Nothing wrong with it. I'm just not used to that, in a Lexus.
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Old 02-11-2006, 02:50 PM
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i'll even take is's interior over ES

why did they suddenly change the looks? maybe because they all look too similar?
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Originally Posted by chungkopi
i'll even take is's interior over ES

why did they suddenly change the looks? maybe because they all look too similar?
Agreed. I think the IS's interior is very well done. It looks like a vairation of the GS's. The ES is truly different from those, and looks like an evolution of the past gen's. I think it's good that they changed it up a little. If all of them were the same it'd be lame.
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Old 02-11-2006, 08:57 PM
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it would've been lame if all of them looked like GS's interior
just lose the egg, and it will look fine.
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More pics...

I think the lower part of the console looks very cheap, mainly because of the wood looks like aftermarket stick-on woodgrain. I don't think the interior is much of an improvement if any over the current ES330. Although the exterior is nicer than before.



























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Old 02-14-2006, 06:35 PM
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the wood trim right there looks weird....looks like where the cupholders would be...they shouldn't stretch the wood out to that part
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Old 02-14-2006, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximaPower

the wood trim right there looks weird....looks like where the cupholders would be...they shouldn't stretch the wood out to that part
What happened at that design meeting?!?!?
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Old 02-14-2006, 06:52 PM
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I'm largely disappointed with the interior and seating design. Almost plasticky in appearance (due to the photography? maybe, though the gray tone doesn't help either). The seats themselves has almost no contour to actually support the driver and passengers thuse creating an almost flat, bench-like, appearance. And from the looks of thing, the back seat legroom is almost tight like the GS. Overall, I wouldn't buy it, though I'll test drive it of course
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Old 02-14-2006, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
What happened at that design meeting?!?!?
I think they were all high at that meeting. It's the only that that I don't like about the interior. Everything else is beautifully done. Now that we can see a clear pic of how thathe console works, we see that the hole stack (running into the floor), is skewed toward the drive; just a little... but still, very nice over all.
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Old 02-14-2006, 07:40 PM
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I perfer the current ES interior:



IMO it looks much more luxurious than the new design.
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Old 02-14-2006, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MSZ
I perfer the current ES interior:



IMO it looks much more luxurious than the new design.
The current ES's interior was among the best in the entry level market. I even liked it prior to the refresh when the silver finish was left as just black plastic. I think too many of the designers shy away from exposed plastic, but IMO the right combination with different materials works far better than trying to make everything wood or silver.
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Originally Posted by MSZ
I perfer the current ES interior:



IMO it looks much more luxurious than the new design.
The current ES has more wood and looks classier then the new one, the ES350 looks more Toyota than Lexus. The only things I would change in the current ES is integrate the navi better into the console and loose the outline of the passenger airbag cover.
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Old 02-14-2006, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by titan
I don't think so. You said you'd take the egg shaped off center console of the new ES over the GS. I was just saying that I prefer the GS's layout over that of the ES's. Just a difference of opinion. I'm not saying the ES's isn't attractive. It's just unsual. The hole center stack is angled toward the driver. Nothing wrong with it. I'm just not used to that, in a Lexus.
But you said which means you agree, no?
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Old 02-14-2006, 08:02 PM
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i'm driving an 03 es300 for right now untill the spring, i just saw the new one at the chicago auto show and thought it was a nice imporvement but it still looks too much like the es330 to me, i also agree it needs more wood inside too
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Old 02-14-2006, 08:05 PM
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^ It looks like they tamed the headlights and made minor changes elsewhere, but the rest of the car looks pretty much the same. From the side profile the two gen look almost the same.
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Old 02-14-2006, 09:18 PM
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bleh, i'm not impressed. That new off-center oval shaped console sticks out like a sore thumb and the half of the car from the B pillar back looks like it got stretched a bit too far to increase leg room. I'd definitely rather go IS or GS, hands down.
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I'm with you guys on the oval on top of the console, and the tilting / crooked wood. Also they extend it into the cup holder place which looks bad. Otherwise the car is very nice.
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Old 02-14-2006, 11:32 PM
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my mom has es330 and i have to agree i like the past gen's interior better. outside looks much better, but they took a step back on interior. rare mistake for lexus.
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Originally Posted by MSZ
I perfer the current ES interior:



IMO it looks much more luxurious than the new design.
I totally agree.

However, thing about it. The ES did not need to have such a quality interior. They could get by without it.
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the wood that goes like half over the cup holders looks so horrible im actualy shocked that they would allow it to look like that...i dont care how good the car drove, i wouldnt get it just based on that.
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the wood that goes like half over the cup holders looks so horrible im actualy shocked that they would allow it to look like that...i dont care how good the car drove, i wouldnt get it just based on that.
Agreed. This will be a bone of contention with alot of potential buyers... it just looks crazy. My mom was supposed to be looking at them, but when she sees this... I don't know.
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I'm going to hold back on my opinions til i check it out at the auto show. Photo's usually don't do justice IMO.
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^^ Yeah, you can't compare an amateur flash photo with bad lighting to a proffesional one on the cars website.
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I'm going to hold back on my opinions til i check it out at the auto show. Photo's usually don't do justice IMO.
Let us know. This car will be one of the top priorities on my list when the NY auto show arrives in April.
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Don't think the current Es interior is all that great, reminds me of Buick, nothing to it. Think people are making a little too big a deal out of the symmetry thing considering from the drivers/passenger seat it will make sense compared to a wideshot photo taken from all sorts of angles. Overall, it may have less wood on the dash, but I think it looks more upscale due to the components/style used. With the wood and tear drop it looks like they are trying to make the nav/shifter area driver oriented.

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^ I agree with joo
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^ I agree with joo
Joo dun know shit.
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The massive swatch of grey plastic dash upper (soft touch, I hope) is what makes it really unappealing. The previous gen has a nice balance of gray and beige along with generous portions of wood, which combined, made for a more pleasing view. Oh well.
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Edmunds full test:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...leId=109687#14

They really liked it. A little surprised the 3.5L didn't motivate its 0-60 times below the 7 second mark, but they did note it got heavier also.
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