Lamborghini: Development and Technology News
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seriously? one of the LAST automakers i though would do this. ridiculous.
last time i checked, most cars get better gas mileage with manuals... |
All things being considered I don't see a problem with that. Most people that own them can't drive them properly anyway. The purests will have to buy a Ferrarri... oh wait, Ferrarri is doing the same thing.
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ya i heard about this, super lame
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it cant be true :what:
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sucks but also doesn't really bother me because I don't plan on ever buying a Lambo lol.
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^ lol you do have a point
look what i found, ppl say this is what they will be spending more time on http://cache.gawker.com/assets/image...8/original.jpg |
Originally Posted by Acuraluvr
(Post 11874999)
seriously? one of the LAST automakers i though would do this. ridiculous.
last time i checked, most cars get better gas mileage with manuals... |
However, having said that, I'm still :sad:
I'll give up 1mpg, and 0.1 second from 0-60 for a true 3-pedal manual tranny any day of the week. |
last manual transmission will be built on dec 12, 2012
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I'm really surprised....
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Originally Posted by Acuraluvr
(Post 11874999)
seriously? one of the LAST automakers i though would do this. ridiculous.
last time i checked, most cars get better gas mileage with manuals... |
Originally Posted by dave_ramkumar
(Post 11875011)
it cant be true :what:
I still don't understand why Ferrari and Lamborghini are getting rid of the true 3-pedal manuals. No wonder so many end up on wreckedexotics site. It doesn't take any skill to drive them anymore. What with e-diffs and traction, stability, and launch control, the driver is getting further and further from the true connection of driver and automobile. :whyme: |
Originally Posted by Gen7Milan
(Post 11875152)
This coming from someone who just bought an automatic M3? :tomato:
I still don't understand why Ferrari and Lamborghini are getting rid of the true 3-pedal manuals. No wonder so many end up on wreckedexotics site. It doesn't take any skill to drive them anymore. What with e-diffs and traction, stability, and launch control, the driver is getting further and further from the true connection of driver and automobile. :whyme: |
Originally Posted by princelybug
(Post 11875028)
I'll give up 1mpg, and 0.1 second from 0-60 for a true 3-pedal manual tranny any day of the week.
I'd imagine that 99% of the people buying these cars don't push them hard enough to notice the 0.1 second time difference. And I can't help believe there's something about making them a manual to weed out who shouldn't be owning these cars in the first place. Anyone can push the accelerator pedal, takes a lot more discipline and know-how to operate three pedals IMHO. :sad: It's sad to see company's turn a shoulder to making this just because they want their cars on paper to appear better and have a larger pool of people to buy them. I don't care what anyone says, driving a manual is 10x more fun than a lazy stick. :cents: It used to be that manuals were cheaper to buy than autos, one day it'll be the opposite and us enthusiasts are going to have to pay extra for the manual option. :sad: |
Originally Posted by subinf
(Post 11875162)
Umm, apparently it still takes quite a bit of skill.
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as a business move to conserve money its a good idea since they can shut down the RD department on real manual transmissions so when Lamborghini develops some stupid crazy V10 with 800 or 900 WHP they won't need to find someone to research how to make a manual trans hold up to it, just concentrate on the automated manuals...
Either way a true sense of heritage is being canned by this move, the start of Lamborghini was to make something better than a ferrari because Enzo Ferrari wanted to be stupid. Great job destroying your heritage! We can really just find solace in knowing that the Lamborghini Balboni still exists... |
:sad:
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Originally Posted by dave_ramkumar
(Post 11875020)
^ lol you do have a point
look what i found, ppl say this is what they will be spending more time on http://cache.gawker.com/assets/image...8/original.jpg |
^ - From what I remember, just a "concept"
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The Manuels don't get as good 0-60 times or as good of gas mileage but to kill it from a supercar? How lame.
My biggest knock against Mercedes is lack of Manuels. Oh well, guess I'll have to buy a CPO Lambo now! |
Originally Posted by CL6
(Post 11875528)
The Manuels don't get as good 0-60 times or as good of gas mileage but to kill it from a supercar? How lame.
My biggest knock against Mercedes is lack of Manuels. Oh well, guess I'll have to buy a CPO Lambo now! Manuels could never drive a manual transmission correctly. Terry |
Originally Posted by teranfon
(Post 11875610)
Manuels could never drive a manual transmission correctly.
Terry |
If this is really that shocking, expect to hear Ferrari soon as well, then. Why do you think their 6-speeds are now special orders like Lamborghini was?
I don't know where Jalopnik got their info, but Lamborghini dropped the manual to cut costs. When a buyer orders a manual transmission, the production line has to re-engineer the rear end of the car for it, increasing costs & production time as the parts for these cars come E-Gear-ready. It's not news as someone said, & you can expect Porsche & whoever else to follow sometime soon as these paddle-shifts & what not become even faster. |
Meh it's not like yall are gonna buy one anyway.
Just like 95% of people who say they want crazy powerful wagons or were mad when GM discontinued the G8. |
Jeremy Clarkson is gonna be pissed.
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Never heard 95% said they want powerful wagons.
And the G8 returns as the Caprice.
Originally Posted by MTwEeZi
(Post 11875966)
Meh it's not like yall are gonna buy one anyway.
Just like 95% of people who say they want crazy powerful wagons or were mad when GM discontinued the G8. |
eh, I saw it coming. ATs are just better now a days.
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Lame and sad.
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Although it's sad that they're doing away with the traditional manual transmission, (especially with these high-end cars; i'm sure people will miss the clack-clack of the shifter gate) it makes sense for Lamborghini to do this. Aside from saving money, an automated manual would keep the average driver from making a very costly mistake in case they mis-shift.
Oh, and keep in mind most Lamborghini owners are no Michael Schumacher. The ones that actually know how to drive a manual and would want one in their supercar are far and few between, so it's not likely they're selling more manuals than flappy paddle boxes.. |
Who cares...nobody here can afford them
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Originally Posted by subinf
(Post 11875110)
When was the last time you checked?
i guess i didnt take into account those expensive DCTs, etc if they really help mpg. :shrug: |
Cheer up everyone. Porsche still sells manuals...at least for a while. PDK is suppose to be awesome
From January 2010 issue of Automobile on the Ferrari 458 Italia In a nod toward market reality, the 458 Italia will not be offered with a manual transmission. Instead, it gets a seven-speed dual-clutch automatic supplied by Getrag and configured for this application. Purists can howl all they want, but the people who actually buy Ferraris have voted: the take rate for traditional manuals has been just this side of zero. |
Is it possible that there are car enthusiasts that like automatics more?
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
(Post 11875199)
It used to be that manuals were cheaper to buy than autos, one day it'll be the opposite and us enthusiasts are going to have to pay extra for the manual option. :sad:
Originally Posted by Acuraluvr
(Post 11876196)
i guess i didnt take into account those expensive DCTs, etc if they really help mpg. :shrug:
Originally Posted by cmschmie
(Post 11876197)
Cheer up everyone. Porsche still sells manuals...at least for a while. PDK is suppose to be awesome
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Originally Posted by teranfon
(Post 11875610)
Manuels could never drive a manual transmission correctly.
Terry |
meh
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Originally Posted by cmschmie
(Post 11876197)
Cheer up everyone. Porsche still sells manuals...at least for a while. PDK is suppose to be awesome
From January 2010 issue of Automobile on the Ferrari 458 Italia |
I believe most lambo "auto" transmissions are actually manuals. They are probably Sequencial Manual Gears (Manual transmission arranged in a linear sequence, as opposed to an H pattern), or Dual Clutch Transmission (SMG's with two clutches, one for even, and one for odd gears). Neither of these two have a torque converter, are basically manuals.
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Originally Posted by turkeybaster115
(Post 11876839)
I believe most lambo "auto" transmissions are actually manuals. They are probably Sequencial Manual Gears (Manual transmission arranged in a linear sequence, as opposed to an H pattern), or Dual Clutch Transmission (SMG's with two clutches, one for even, and one for odd gears). Neither of these two have a torque converter, are basically manuals.
However, now that you've brought this up, I'm curious as to if Lamborghini's dropping of the manual transmission is a sign of them moving on to dual-clutch. Before, Ferrari, BMW, & Lamborghini were big users of Electro. manual transmissions, & now that the former 2 have moved on (w/ Ferrari dropping manuals) to dual-clutch, I wonder if the Murcielago's successor will be Lamborghini's exploration into it. |
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