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03-30-2010, 08:10 PM
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All things being considered I don't see a problem with that. Most people that own them can't drive them properly anyway. The purests will have to buy a Ferrarri... oh wait, Ferrarri is doing the same thing.
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03-30-2010, 08:40 PM
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I'm really surprised....
03-30-2010, 08:40 PM
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03-30-2010, 08:49 PM
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This coming from someone who just bought an automatic M3? 
I still don't understand why Ferrari and Lamborghini are getting rid of the true 3-pedal manuals. No wonder so many end up on wreckedexotics site. It doesn't take any skill to drive them anymore. What with e-diffs and traction, stability, and launch control, the driver is getting further and further from the true connection of driver and automobile.
I still don't understand why Ferrari and Lamborghini are getting rid of the true 3-pedal manuals. No wonder so many end up on wreckedexotics site. It doesn't take any skill to drive them anymore. What with e-diffs and traction, stability, and launch control, the driver is getting further and further from the true connection of driver and automobile.
03-30-2010, 08:51 PM
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This coming from someone who just bought an automatic M3?
I still don't understand why Ferrari and Lamborghini are getting rid of the true 3-pedal manuals. No wonder so many end up on wreckedexotics site. It doesn't take any skill to drive them anymore. What with e-diffs and traction, stability, and launch control, the driver is getting further and further from the true connection of driver and automobile.
I still don't understand why Ferrari and Lamborghini are getting rid of the true 3-pedal manuals. No wonder so many end up on wreckedexotics site. It doesn't take any skill to drive them anymore. What with e-diffs and traction, stability, and launch control, the driver is getting further and further from the true connection of driver and automobile.
03-30-2010, 09:02 PM
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I'd imagine that 99% of the people buying these cars don't push them hard enough to notice the 0.1 second time difference. And I can't help believe there's something about making them a manual to weed out who shouldn't be owning these cars in the first place. Anyone can push the accelerator pedal, takes a lot more discipline and know-how to operate three pedals IMHO.
It's sad to see company's turn a shoulder to making this just because they want their cars on paper to appear better and have a larger pool of people to buy them. I don't care what anyone says, driving a manual is 10x more fun than a lazy stick. :cents: It used to be that manuals were cheaper to buy than autos, one day it'll be the opposite and us enthusiasts are going to have to pay extra for the manual option.
03-30-2010, 09:15 PM
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as a business move to conserve money its a good idea since they can shut down the RD department on real manual transmissions so when Lamborghini develops some stupid crazy V10 with 800 or 900 WHP they won't need to find someone to research how to make a manual trans hold up to it, just concentrate on the automated manuals...
Either way a true sense of heritage is being canned by this move, the start of Lamborghini was to make something better than a ferrari because Enzo Ferrari wanted to be stupid. Great job destroying your heritage!
We can really just find solace in knowing that the Lamborghini Balboni still exists...
Either way a true sense of heritage is being canned by this move, the start of Lamborghini was to make something better than a ferrari because Enzo Ferrari wanted to be stupid. Great job destroying your heritage!
We can really just find solace in knowing that the Lamborghini Balboni still exists...
03-30-2010, 09:27 PM
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03-30-2010, 10:28 PM
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The Manuels don't get as good 0-60 times or as good of gas mileage but to kill it from a supercar? How lame.
My biggest knock against Mercedes is lack of Manuels.
Oh well, guess I'll have to buy a CPO Lambo now!
My biggest knock against Mercedes is lack of Manuels.
Oh well, guess I'll have to buy a CPO Lambo now!
03-30-2010, 10:55 PM
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Manuels could never drive a manual transmission correctly.
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03-31-2010, 12:26 AM
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If this is really that shocking, expect to hear Ferrari soon as well, then. Why do you think their 6-speeds are now special orders like Lamborghini was?
I don't know where Jalopnik got their info, but Lamborghini dropped the manual to cut costs. When a buyer orders a manual transmission, the production line has to re-engineer the rear end of the car for it, increasing costs & production time as the parts for these cars come E-Gear-ready.
It's not news as someone said, & you can expect Porsche & whoever else to follow sometime soon as these paddle-shifts & what not become even faster.
I don't know where Jalopnik got their info, but Lamborghini dropped the manual to cut costs. When a buyer orders a manual transmission, the production line has to re-engineer the rear end of the car for it, increasing costs & production time as the parts for these cars come E-Gear-ready.
It's not news as someone said, & you can expect Porsche & whoever else to follow sometime soon as these paddle-shifts & what not become even faster.
03-31-2010, 02:44 AM
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Although it's sad that they're doing away with the traditional manual transmission, (especially with these high-end cars; i'm sure people will miss the clack-clack of the shifter gate) it makes sense for Lamborghini to do this. Aside from saving money, an automated manual would keep the average driver from making a very costly mistake in case they mis-shift.
Oh, and keep in mind most Lamborghini owners are no Michael Schumacher. The ones that actually know how to drive a manual and would want one in their supercar are far and few between, so it's not likely they're selling more manuals than flappy paddle boxes..
Oh, and keep in mind most Lamborghini owners are no Michael Schumacher. The ones that actually know how to drive a manual and would want one in their supercar are far and few between, so it's not likely they're selling more manuals than flappy paddle boxes..
03-31-2010, 06:09 AM
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Cheer up everyone. Porsche still sells manuals...at least for a while. PDK is suppose to be awesome
From January 2010 issue of Automobile on the Ferrari 458 Italia
From January 2010 issue of Automobile on the Ferrari 458 Italia
In a nod toward market reality, the 458 Italia will not be offered with a manual transmission. Instead, it gets a seven-speed dual-clutch automatic supplied by Getrag and configured for this application. Purists can howl all they want, but the people who actually buy Ferraris have voted: the take rate for traditional manuals has been just this side of zero.
03-31-2010, 09:39 AM
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I remember reading years ago that manual/auto sales for 911's were about 50/50. I was surprised. Wonder what the ratio is now with PDK.
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03-31-2010, 10:53 AM
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With the way PDK is still being developed, it might become the standard on some of Porsche's GT models. In '08, a '911 S lapped 8 seconds quicker than a 6-speed manual.
03-31-2010, 11:19 AM
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I believe most lambo "auto" transmissions are actually manuals. They are probably Sequencial Manual Gears (Manual transmission arranged in a linear sequence, as opposed to an H pattern), or Dual Clutch Transmission (SMG's with two clutches, one for even, and one for odd gears). Neither of these two have a torque converter, are basically manuals.
03-31-2010, 12:07 PM
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I believe most lambo "auto" transmissions are actually manuals. They are probably Sequencial Manual Gears (Manual transmission arranged in a linear sequence, as opposed to an H pattern), or Dual Clutch Transmission (SMG's with two clutches, one for even, and one for odd gears). Neither of these two have a torque converter, are basically manuals.
However, now that you've brought this up, I'm curious as to if Lamborghini's dropping of the manual transmission is a sign of them moving on to dual-clutch.
Before, Ferrari, BMW, & Lamborghini were big users of Electro. manual transmissions, & now that the former 2 have moved on (w/ Ferrari dropping manuals) to dual-clutch, I wonder if the Murcielago's successor will be Lamborghini's exploration into it.
