Kia: Stinger News
#281
Team Owner
not all cars record it though. I don't believe older cars ever did. You can put a tune on and remove it without anyone knowing. Then the Germans got wise and started recording it. Just curious if Honda is on the same page. I assume they are... but you never know.
#283
Ex-OEM King
Laziness of employees is taken out of the equation as much as possible...
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justnspace (02-27-2018)
#284
Burning Brakes
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I work in the service department at a Honda dealership on the weekends and have asked this question several times to techs. They said none of the techs ever check at Honda dealerships. I'm sure this will change eventually with them introducing turbos all across the lineup the past few years.
The oil consumption test is my favorite. They fill it up with oil and tell the client to come back in 1000 miles. They don't mark or seal the oil drain bolt. A customer could easily drain a quart or two out which would require the dealership to do a rebuild under warranty. I'm sure other dealerships are more cautious of this, but mine sure as hell isn't.
The oil consumption test is my favorite. They fill it up with oil and tell the client to come back in 1000 miles. They don't mark or seal the oil drain bolt. A customer could easily drain a quart or two out which would require the dealership to do a rebuild under warranty. I'm sure other dealerships are more cautious of this, but mine sure as hell isn't.
#285
Ex-OEM King
I work in the service department at a Honda dealership on the weekends and have asked this question several times to techs. They said none of the techs ever check at Honda dealerships. I'm sure this will change eventually with them introducing turbos all across the lineup the past few years.
The oil consumption test is my favorite. They fill it up with oil and tell the client to come back in 1000 miles. They don't mark or seal the oil drain bolt. A customer could easily drain a quart or two out which would require the dealership to do a rebuild under warranty. I'm sure other dealerships are more cautious of this, but mine sure as hell isn't.
The oil consumption test is my favorite. They fill it up with oil and tell the client to come back in 1000 miles. They don't mark or seal the oil drain bolt. A customer could easily drain a quart or two out which would require the dealership to do a rebuild under warranty. I'm sure other dealerships are more cautious of this, but mine sure as hell isn't.
#286
Team Owner
So what we are saying is we don't know what Honda does and what Honda will do going forward. We need some techs (more than one) tell us what is up. One dealership isn't really indicative of enough... But I'm curious what the story will be one or two years from now.
#288
Moderator
Went & took a drive in a Stinger Premium with the tech package at lunch.
Have to say that I'm impressed. Coming from an F150, the transmission shifts a lot faster & the little 2.0T feels quicker than the 2.7TT in the truck.
Rear visibility isn't great, but not overly restrictive. Shame there aren't more than 4 colors available on the 2.0
Dealer is selling at sticker with no discounts.
#289
Burning Brakes
iTrader: (5)
I'll ask for more details in person this weekend, but I can honestly say my dealership has never turned away a customer for having a tuned engine. Then again, I don't think anyone with a tuned turbo Honda has even tried to do any kind of warranty claim. I'm sure eventually it will happen, and then I'll know we will know for sure what the protocol is.
Only time I recall them denying a warranty claim was when this kid with a CR-Z came in with a slipping transmission. The CR-Z looked like a mobile Christmas tree so they blamed his transmission problems on his lighting work lol.
Only time I recall them denying a warranty claim was when this kid with a CR-Z came in with a slipping transmission. The CR-Z looked like a mobile Christmas tree so they blamed his transmission problems on his lighting work lol.
#290
Banned
#291
Moderator
Test drove another Stinger Premium Saturday. Turned into a decently long drive, with the sales guy directing me away from the dealership to "drive it some more & get a good feel for it".
Took my 3 yr old along to see how a full size car seat fits. Surprisingly, she had a decent amount of legroom. We'd stopped at a Ford dealer & tested a Fusion Sport, and she had much less legroom than was available in the Stinger.
Went through the numbers game motions for a bit when we returned. Looks like Kia offers ~$5k off if you lease & nothing off for finance deals. Looking on one of the Stinger forums, looks like quite a few people have used the lease cash to get into the car, then almost immediately buy out the lease & finance.
We were a bit too far apart on numbers with the first round of talks. Too little offered for the F150 to make a deal & they didn't have a color I'd want. Luckily I'm in no rush.
Took my 3 yr old along to see how a full size car seat fits. Surprisingly, she had a decent amount of legroom. We'd stopped at a Ford dealer & tested a Fusion Sport, and she had much less legroom than was available in the Stinger.
Went through the numbers game motions for a bit when we returned. Looks like Kia offers ~$5k off if you lease & nothing off for finance deals. Looking on one of the Stinger forums, looks like quite a few people have used the lease cash to get into the car, then almost immediately buy out the lease & finance.
We were a bit too far apart on numbers with the first round of talks. Too little offered for the F150 to make a deal & they didn't have a color I'd want. Luckily I'm in no rush.
#292
Team Owner
^ i think you will save A LOT of $$, if you can wait for another 6 month or so.
#293
Moderator
No rush at all. Definitely not a buy right now, since it would significantly raise my monthly payments.
Plus, that gives some time for me to check out the Mazda6 Turbo, once they start hitting dealer lots.
Plus, that gives some time for me to check out the Mazda6 Turbo, once they start hitting dealer lots.
#294
Yes you can. The one review of it i saw on youtube wasn't great. I know they upsized the A4 a little bit. I need 2 carseats in the back, and that or a 6mt 3 series bmw seem like a tight fit, but maybe if they made the rear bigger in the ne A4 it would work. Thats why the accord, or unicorns like the CTSV wagon 6MT or the SS seem like better fits for me.
I like the idea of the 3.0 SC over the typical 2.0T. But the new interior is far better than the previous gen.
#295
Team Owner
I don't think you can get a manual Audi in Canada anymore. I went searching their website for a manual A4, but doesn't seem to exist. At least I couldn't find it as an option, anywhere. Was considering if I wanted it for my next car- I would chip it right off the bat. Fuck the warranty, lol. Stasis provides a warranty on their tunes, covering your engine if anything fails based on the tune anyway. And the power gains are nuts.
#296
Moderator
Yes you can. The one review of it i saw on youtube wasn't great. I know they upsized the A4 a little bit. I need 2 carseats in the back, and that or a 6mt 3 series bmw seem like a tight fit, but maybe if they made the rear bigger in the ne A4 it would work. Thats why the accord, or unicorns like the CTSV wagon 6MT or the SS seem like better fits for me.
I like the idea of the 3.0 SC over the typical 2.0T. But the new interior is far better than the previous gen.
I like the idea of the 3.0 SC over the typical 2.0T. But the new interior is far better than the previous gen.
MSRP comes in about 3-4k less than a Stinger Premium with the tech package. And, the Touring has a bit more tech in it than the Stinger. That said, the Stinger feels like a better driver's car, between the two.
Drove a Fusion Sport over the weekend as well, deep discounted, as it's a N.O.S. 2017. Had everything but radar cruise & airbag seat belts. Listed for $31k, IIRC. With a car seat in the back, my kid's feet were almost touching the back of my seat, and I was surprised that it doesn't feel near as quick as my 2.7TT F150, with the same engine.
You also feel more like you sit 'on' the Fusion, rather than 'in' it like the Stinger. Accord, I'd put between the two. And, I wasn't a big fan of the required gray interior on the Fusion Sport.
#297
Moderator
https://blog.caranddriver.com/specia...ntica-edition/
Marking its second model year, the 2019 Kia Stinger sports sedan will celebrate its garnet anniversary with a new limited-run Atlantica edition.
Based on the top-of-the-line GT2 trim with all-wheel drive, the 365-hp Stinger Atlantica will be limited to a total of 500 units. Each Atlantica wears a coat of Deep Chroma Blue paint and rolls on 19-inch wheels cribbed from the Europe-market model. Completing the Atlantica’s exterior is a large “Stinger” badge at the center of the decklid. Meanwhile, the Atlantica’s blue hue is complemented by Espresso Brown nappa leather seats and a black faux-suede headliner.
The Atlantica isn’t simply an exercise in styling, though, as Kia has added meat to the model’s bones thanks to a trio of technology features that are new to the Stinger: a surround-view monitor, a wireless phone-charging system, and seat heaters for those positioned in the rear outboard seats.
Look for the 2019 Stinger Atlantica to go on sale this summer. Pricing has yet to be announced for the limited-edition model, but we’d wager that the Atlantica will sticker for a couple bills more than an all-wheel-drive 2018 Stinger loaded to the GT2 trim level, which is priced from $52,300.
Based on the top-of-the-line GT2 trim with all-wheel drive, the 365-hp Stinger Atlantica will be limited to a total of 500 units. Each Atlantica wears a coat of Deep Chroma Blue paint and rolls on 19-inch wheels cribbed from the Europe-market model. Completing the Atlantica’s exterior is a large “Stinger” badge at the center of the decklid. Meanwhile, the Atlantica’s blue hue is complemented by Espresso Brown nappa leather seats and a black faux-suede headliner.
The Atlantica isn’t simply an exercise in styling, though, as Kia has added meat to the model’s bones thanks to a trio of technology features that are new to the Stinger: a surround-view monitor, a wireless phone-charging system, and seat heaters for those positioned in the rear outboard seats.
Look for the 2019 Stinger Atlantica to go on sale this summer. Pricing has yet to be announced for the limited-edition model, but we’d wager that the Atlantica will sticker for a couple bills more than an all-wheel-drive 2018 Stinger loaded to the GT2 trim level, which is priced from $52,300.
#298
Banned
I don't think you can get a manual Audi in Canada anymore. I went searching their website for a manual A4, but doesn't seem to exist. At least I couldn't find it as an option, anywhere. Was considering if I wanted it for my next car- I would chip it right off the bat. Fuck the warranty, lol. Stasis provides a warranty on their tunes, covering your engine if anything fails based on the tune anyway. And the power gains are nuts.
https://www.audi.ca/ca/web/en/models....8w25n9_0.html
Click Show All Information.
2.0 TFSI [252HP version]
quattro Komfort 6-speed
42,700.00 CAD
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#299
Team Owner
Yeah, nevermind. For some reason the other options weren't showing up on my iPad. I checked after on my computer and could see them.
#300
Race Director
Mr. Regular seems to like it ....
#301
Team Owner
I've been seeing more and more of these on the roads as of late... and not the typical people you'd expect driving a Kia. Not to hate on average Joe (hey, I'm one too), but I was grabbing a coffee the other day and saw a guy in a very nice suit getting into a Stinger. Had to give him the thumbs up. Only once did I see a younger guy driving one, but generally the driver's look like affluent folk.
Kia may not sell a ton of Stingers, but I think it's helping them get even more solidified in the car market as a respectable brand these days. And if other people are noticing the "upper crust" folk driving some of these, that very well may entice more people to buy. I hope it pans out for Kia and the dealership network doesn't kill too many sales for them.
Kia may not sell a ton of Stingers, but I think it's helping them get even more solidified in the car market as a respectable brand these days. And if other people are noticing the "upper crust" folk driving some of these, that very well may entice more people to buy. I hope it pans out for Kia and the dealership network doesn't kill too many sales for them.
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#302
Moderator
I'd have no problem with a Stinger, just priced too high for me. A Stinger Premium with the tech pkg is $40k.
A GT2 lists for around $52k.
If I could get into a Premium + tech for around $33-35k, I'd be interested.
A GT2 lists for around $52k.
If I could get into a Premium + tech for around $33-35k, I'd be interested.
#304
Team Owner
saw 2 today. in red and black.
Looks pretty good. I dig it....
But i would not spend 50k on it tho.
Looks pretty good. I dig it....
But i would not spend 50k on it tho.
#305
Team Owner
Didn't 00TL just say it was 42k?
#306
Ex-OEM King
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TacoBello (06-21-2018)
#307
Team Owner
Based on the current discount structure, both the $52k Stinger and the pretty much loaded $60k 340i can be had for pretty much the same price.
#308
Ex-OEM King
People have been leasing to get the incentive and then just buying the car out immediately if they wanted to buy vs lease.
#309
Moderator
Last I looked, it's something like a $150 fee to buy out the lease early. Flip it into a C.U. finance & get the full lease incentives. At the time, it was something like $7k on a GT1/2 & 5 or 6k on a GT, but only like $4k on a Premium & $3k on a Base.
#310
Team Owner
I mean incentive is only part of the equation. Audi is the perfect example.
#311
Ex-OEM King
My guess is high $500's for the GT2 Stinger. The big reason to buy vs lease is the abysmal residuals on these and the high MF. You can get a much better deal doing a lease buyout than continuing the lease.
#312
Team Owner
ic... so they are doing what Audi is doing.
#313
Punk Rocker
I think its clear from the way they tuned the Stinger and from the competition they were targeting that Kia wants us all to compare this car to the correct competition, and the Stinger is in no way competing with the 440GC. It is a much larger GT car that won't embarrass itself on a track, but is not intended to be a practically-minded track weapon like the smaller and sharper 440GC. Then again, it is still aggressively priced vs the smaller Bimmer as well and certainly stands out a ton more, which is something else that points to Kia's intended demographic for the Stinger; young buyers who want something that turns heads but is also great value for their money. Judging by early sales numbers so far, it would seem Kia has hit a home run with the Stinger.
#314
Punk Rocker
Kia did a fine job w/ the Stinger, but there definitely are things that can be improved upon - such as the aforementioned 8 spd AT.
Problem w/ that 8 spd AT is that it is an auto that was developed as a luxury gearbox and not with much performance in mind (the Q60 RS has the same issue with its trans).
Problem w/ that 8 spd AT is that it is an auto that was developed as a luxury gearbox and not with much performance in mind (the Q60 RS has the same issue with its trans).
Sorry for the DP but I can't seem to find an "Edit" button to alter my previous post?
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TacoBello (07-05-2018)
#315
Moderator
https://jalopnik.com/australian-cops...alc-1827361539
Queensland, Australia’s police department is rolling out 50 Kia Stinger patrol cars this week after the sports sedan received “top reports” from officers, News.com.au reports. This is not surprising, since the car seems perfect car for this job.
The news website says police departments throughout Australia are moving to replace Holden Commodore V8s and Ford Falcons, now that the companies that built them have shuttered their factories. I guess Aussie cops aren’t easily parted from their performance sedans.
While some organizations have gone with BMWs or Chryslers as highway patrol cars, the news site reports that Queensland has chosen the Kia Stinger. Fifty Kias are expected to be “rolled out across Queensland from this week,” News.com.au writes, and 200 are expected to eventually replace the third-most populous Australian state’s entire fleet.
The news site quotes Assistant Commissioner of the Road Policing Command, Mike Keating, who described how well the Stinger did in what news.com.au reports was an “extensive” evaluation process:
The Queensland police minister also gave the Kia some love, saying:
According to Carscoops, the new patrol cars will be 365-horsepower GT V6 models (the Stinger is also available with a 255 horsepower 2.0-liter inline-four) with all-wheel drive, and that they’ll be outfitted with a bunch of police equipment from “strobe lights and sirens to communication radios.”
I haven’t driven the Kia Stinger, but my boss has, and he called it “the real deal,” lauding its excellent Lambda II T-GDi V6 engine, its superb handling, and all the room in the cargo area (it’s a hatchback!). And really, what can you want in a police car? (Admittedly, Patrick said the rear headroom isn’t great, but the back seat of a cruiser isn’t meant to be plush. Don’t break the law if you don’t want to be back there.)
Queensland’s got the right idea, here, and I hope American police units hop onboard, too. That way, in 15 years, I can buy a used Stinger for a song.
The news website says police departments throughout Australia are moving to replace Holden Commodore V8s and Ford Falcons, now that the companies that built them have shuttered their factories. I guess Aussie cops aren’t easily parted from their performance sedans.
While some organizations have gone with BMWs or Chryslers as highway patrol cars, the news site reports that Queensland has chosen the Kia Stinger. Fifty Kias are expected to be “rolled out across Queensland from this week,” News.com.au writes, and 200 are expected to eventually replace the third-most populous Australian state’s entire fleet.
The news site quotes Assistant Commissioner of the Road Policing Command, Mike Keating, who described how well the Stinger did in what news.com.au reports was an “extensive” evaluation process:
The Stinger performed very well in all areas and we had nothing but top reports from all the field officers...The result is a road policing first for us, the first foreign car to perform these duties.
You often hear Police Ministers talking about providing the best equipment for those at the coal face. In this case I truly believe we have been able to do that.
I haven’t driven the Kia Stinger, but my boss has, and he called it “the real deal,” lauding its excellent Lambda II T-GDi V6 engine, its superb handling, and all the room in the cargo area (it’s a hatchback!). And really, what can you want in a police car? (Admittedly, Patrick said the rear headroom isn’t great, but the back seat of a cruiser isn’t meant to be plush. Don’t break the law if you don’t want to be back there.)
Queensland’s got the right idea, here, and I hope American police units hop onboard, too. That way, in 15 years, I can buy a used Stinger for a song.
#316
Team Owner
I'm starting to see Stingers popping up everywhere, around here. They seem to be catching on!
#317
Moderator
I've noticed more of them around Houston, too.
#318
Punk Rocker
I dunno, personally I think I would take a loaded Stinger GT2 over a loaded 340i if they were the same price. The Kia badge doesn't really bother me and the Stinger is a much more practical car with far more interesting styling. Not to mention the best warranty you can get on a new car.
#319
Team Owner
While the interior materials are better in the 340, I think BMW interiors in general remind me of a funeral parlor. The materials feel nice, but the looks... Ugh.
#320
Team Owner
Just look at their 6WB full digital guage... Audi and Mercedes are all fancy looking and BMW somehow managed to make their full digital gauge look like analog .. But BMW's has always been the understated look until you start using it.... Same concept for the iDrive... it is THE best system on the market but it really does not look like much until you start using it.