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Hyundai has N-Line, so it's in line with the brand, I suppose. But, I agree, take it back to Base/Premium for the 4cyl & GT/GT1/GT2 for the V6.
That or call it the GT-Line pkg, but leave the badging off of it. Glad, for the most part, MB/BMW don't put M-Sport/AMG all over their sport pkg cars. Sure there's maybe M/AMG badges on the wheels & floormats, but that's fairly subtle.
Hyundai has N-Line, so it's in line with the brand, I suppose. But, I agree, take it back to Base/Premium for the 4cyl & GT/GT1/GT2 for the V6.
That or call it the GT-Line pkg, but leave the badging off of it. Glad, for the most part, MB/BMW don't put M-Sport/AMG all over their sport pkg cars. Sure there's maybe M/AMG badges on the wheels & floormats, but that's fairly subtle.
They do though. The M340i, the C43 AMG, both are "fake" sport package versions of the real performance models. VW does it with R Line. Audi does it with S Line. It's all over the place lol. I get that this stuff sells but it definitely dilutes the equity in the performance brands.
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The car looks good on the outside, decent interior, good performance yet they are selling only 6XX units a month...
KIA really should reconsider the MSRP on those cars.... they are over estimating their brand vs. MSRP.
They don't sell because cars aren't all that popular anymore let alone expensive Kias. This thing has the performance of a M340 or a C43 for like $15k less so the value proposition is there.
True, on the M340 & C43. The C may not have the handbuilt engine, but IIRC it's tuned & still a decent level above the C300 4Matic.
Just glad they don't plaster _-Line badges all over them, ala Audi/VW.
Personally, I'd have had no problem (apart from the running costs) of having a C43 as a DD. Probably easier to live with than a C63.
Back on topic, I really liked the Stinger, it's just a tough pill to swallow at MSRP. Not sure what kinds of deals are to be had now, as compared to when I was shopping them.
The Kia Stinger, you probably have heard by now, is the real deal, an honest challenger to a car like the BMW M340i. And cheaper, too. On Tuesday, Kia confirmed that the base model will get 300 horsepower, or 45 horsepower more than the outgoing, as we first heard in August. The Kia Stinger is edging toward the ideal.
Not that 255 horsepower out of the four-cylinder is anything to sniff at in the 2021 base model, and you could always step up to the twin-turbo V6 and get 365 horsepower. But, and perhaps this is merely an aesthetic thing, 255 horsepower always felt agonizingly close to the correct amount of horsepower, but just short and thus inadequate. Three-hundred-sixty-five horsepower, on the other hand, felt like overcompensating a bit.
Which leads us to today, when Kia confirmed it had corrected its grave error. The base Stinger will get 300 horsepower from a turbo 2.5-liter four-cylinder; that power will be sent through an 8-speed automatic with paddle shifters. Kia is also very excited about some new LEDs.
Standard LED headlamps with a new DRL signature or optional “Stinger-signature” LED DRLs and headlights
Standard rear LED taillamps bridged by an eye-catching new taillight design that spans the full width of the liftgate; GT trims get a full LED treatment with LED turn signals
New 18- and 19-inch wheel designs defined by lean and technical geometric shapes
More aggressive exhaust tip design for enhanced visual appeal
I am more excited by the Scorpion trim, which will come in addition to the GT-Line, GT1, and GT2 trims.
The Scorpion Special Edition set to arrive this late Spring further accelerates Stinger appeal with:
Select exterior colors: Snow White, Aurora Black, and Ceramic Silver
Rear spoiler
Blacked out fender garnish, side mirror caps, and darkened exhaust tips
Unique black wheels
Interior carbon fiber pattern trim
Kia says it has also managed to eke three more horsepower out of the V6 in the higher trims, as it now makes 368 HP, but the fact that the base is up to 300 horsepower destroys some of that engine’s appeal. Both come in either rear-wheel or all-wheel-drive configurations, with gas mileage suffering slightly in the four-cylinder version in the latter. The four-cylinder version gets a combined 25 mpg in RWD, and a combined 24 mpg in AWD, while the V6 gets a combined 20 mpg in both. Still, the four-cylinder numbers are just as good as the outgoing 255-horsepower engine.
The 2022 Kia Stinger also has most if not all of the driver-assistance systems equipped on modern cars, like adaptive cruise control and various collision warnings and a lane departure assist system, all optional.
Here is how much each trim of the 2022 Kia Stinger will start at: We are fast approaching a time when automakers will be making their Last Good Internal Combustion Engine Cars, given the vast industry-wide shift to electric. Or maybe we are not, and automakers will keep a niche business on the side making ICE cars for enthusiasts. Either way, the 2022 Kia Stinger feels both timeless and also somewhat like a relic already, a 300 horsepower rear-wheel drive sports sedan. Enjoy it while it lasts.
So, instead of Base, Premium & GT, it's now GT-Line (4cyl) and GT (V6).
When I was shopping 4cyl Stingers, a Premium was right at about $40k, seems a slightly better deal now, and with more [Clarkson]Power![/Clarkson]
True, on the M340 & C43. The C may not have the handbuilt engine, but IIRC it's tuned & still a decent level above the C300 4Matic.
Just glad they don't plaster _-Line badges all over them, ala Audi/VW.
Personally, I'd have had no problem (apart from the running costs) of having a C43 as a DD. Probably easier to live with than a C63.
Back on topic, I really liked the Stinger, it's just a tough pill to swallow at MSRP. Not sure what kinds of deals are to be had now, as compared to when I was shopping them.
The C43 is a rebadged C400 and the M340 is a rebadged 340i. That's the gripe I have. They just change the nameplate on their premium models to closely resemble the top dogs for marketing purposes, nothing else. Both cars are excellent on all counts, just the names irk me.
If these came out in 2018 we should start seeing some off lease models hit the used market soon. That will be the real telling sign of how much these are worth now.
Sort of, on the C.
The C400 (2015 only) was a non-AMG-ified C-Class: 328/354 + AWD
The C450 (2016 only) was AMG 'Enhanced' 362/385 + AWD (0.3 sec quicker 0-60)
The C43 came about in 2017 is a rebadged C450.
Sort of, on the C.
The C400 (2015 only) was a non-AMG-ified C-Class: 328/354 + AWD
The C450 (2016 only) was AMG 'Enhanced' 362/385 + AWD (0.3 sec quicker 0-60)
The C43 came about in 2017 is a rebadged C450.
Sort of, on the C.
The C400 (2015 only) was a non-AMG-ified C-Class: 328/354 + AWD
The C450 (2016 only) was AMG 'Enhanced' 362/385 + AWD (0.3 sec quicker 0-60)
The C43 came about in 2017 is a rebadged C450.
mid to low 30's on the stinger GT...Ive been researching a lot lately on many different models.
I have heard people getting $10k+ off on a loaded M340i. That would bring it to $55k which is about the same as a fully loaded Stinger (MSRP). I do wonder what kind of deals you can get on the Stinger as for the same $$, it will be hard to compete with a M340i, especially when the M340i has well over half a second advantage for both 0-60mph and 1/4 mile, which is quite significant.
I have heard people getting $10k+ off on a loaded M340i. That would bring it to $55k which is about the same as a fully loaded Stinger (MSRP). I do wonder what kind of deals you can get on the Stinger as for the same $$, it will be hard to compete with a M340i, especially when the M340i has well over half a second advantage for both 0-60mph and 1/4 mile, which is quite significant.
If that's the case then the value prop for the Kia becomes much less of an advantage.
One would assume that the maintenance on the Kia would be more reasonable? To me, that factors in a bit. Plus, not having to deal with that beaver-face BMW?
The Stinger may not be as dynamic as the BMW, but I suspect it will be more practical in the real world. There's more rear seat space, the trunk is larger, and the fact that it's a liftback/hatch makes it a lot more flexible, which is really useful if you had kids and need to carry strollers or wagons in the trunk.
Hopefully the Kia dealerships don't mark this up again like they did for the first year. When I went to check out the Stinger when it first came out, they wouldn't even let me sit in it without putting down a non-refundable deposit. I guess they thought this car was hand-built by Jesus himself.
If nothing else, the new GT-Line model is a very interesting alternative to the TLX. I would absolutely take the base Stinger over the TLX Tech and A-Spec, and it's cheaper to boot. It's impressive that you can get some of the Advance features on the base Stinger (power folding mirrors, rain sensing wipers, etc).
One would assume that the maintenance on the Kia would be more reasonable? To me, that factors in a bit. Plus, not having to deal with that beaver-face BMW?
Depends on how long you keep it. Service is included in BMW's for the first 4 years.
Also, the normal 3 series doesn't have the fugly face.
Ah, well then that makes the gap a lot smaller.
Would maybe still take the Kia, just never been a big Bimmer fan. Stinger vs C43 would be a tougher call
I have heard people getting $10k+ off on a loaded M340i. That would bring it to $55k which is about the same as a fully loaded Stinger (MSRP). I do wonder what kind of deals you can get on the Stinger as for the same $$, it will be hard to compete with a M340i, especially when the M340i has well over half a second advantage for both 0-60mph and 1/4 mile, which is quite significant.
I dont know about 10k off.. but 10% can be obtained with some negotiation ...
Oh hey this forum, havent been here for a while. Anyways my project stinger is up and running, and i got it done for a lot under its 50k sticker price. As for dealer offers, lease buyout is a big thing with stingers. something about lease cash, i don't do dealers so ymmv.
It's definitely YMMV... Depends on where you live and how desperate the dealer Is.
I was strictly talking about discount off MSRP. For BMW, there is a $2000 lease cash and other incentives like the driving event $1000 and other craps that you can add on top of the 10% off discount.
So if you add them all up together $10k off is not hard.
I have heard people getting $10k+ off on a loaded M340i. That would bring it to $55k which is about the same as a fully loaded Stinger (MSRP). I do wonder what kind of deals you can get on the Stinger as for the same $$, it will be hard to compete with a M340i, especially when the M340i has well over half a second advantage for both 0-60mph and 1/4 mile, which is quite significant.
But really should be compared against the 4 Series GC, which due to its liftback bodystyle, has a pricing premium over the 3er.
(Same reason why the Stinger is similarly priced as the G70; if it had been a Genesis, would be priced a good bit more than the G70, just like the 4 Series GC and A5 Sportback compared to their 4-door counterparts.
But yeah, people do cross-shop sedans and liftbacks, but the liftback tend to be sleeker looking - which carries a premium.
That was true with the F36 4GC.... with the G2X 4GC.... its ugly nose will drive away their own customers like myself...
just FYI, M440i was just released not too long ago when compared to the 2 years old M340i... yet you can get more discount on the M440i than M340i.. Usually it is the other way around, especially considering 4 series is still relatively new.
That was true with the F36 4GC.... with the G2X 4GC.... its ugly nose will drive away their own customers like myself...
just FYI, M440i was just released not too long ago when compared to the 2 years old M340i... yet you can get more discount on the M440i than M340i.. Usually it is the other way around, especially considering 4 series is still relatively new.
That tells me no one is buying that shit...
That's just the thing. Vote with your wallet, that's what really impacts these guys. I was dead set on ordering a IoM green M3 but pulled out when I realized I just couldn't live with the face. Now looking to the used market...depending on if we buy a new house or not lol.
On a global level, the South Korean carmaker is just about ready to showcase the fifth-generation take on the best-selling Sportage sports utility vehicle. But that doesn’t mean the company won’t focus on models that aren’t ready for the big changeover just yet. Case in point with the recently facelifted Stinger mid-size liftback.
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It was the middle of March when the brand revealed all the juicy details pertaining to the 2022 Stinger refresh for the U.S. region. Back then, we found all about the redesign, the larger digital instrument cluster, the slightly more powerful engine options, as well as the updated technical highlights.
But the company also gave us a peek at “something special,” the Scorpion Special Edition. Very little information was provided about this limited version at the time, and Kia is now addressing that just as the new version is arriving at dealerships.
The 2022 Kia Stinger Scorpion Special Edition is offered exclusively to U.S. customers, and to make it a collectible, the company will only build limited batches of just 250 cars every month (it doesn’t specify how long production lasts, though). By the way, color choices are also restricted to Snow White Pearl, Aurora Black, and Ceramic Silver.
Customers will also be able to specify the Scorpion based on the GT2 RWD and AWD variants, with prices kicking off at $52,585 for rear-wheel drive and $54,785 for all-wheel drive (both excluding $1,045 in destination charges), respectively.
That doesn’t compare favorably with the standard GT2, which kicks off at $51,290. But, on the other hand, the Scorpion does add black trim for the fender garnish, side mirror caps, and darkened exhaust tips, along with a body-colored rear spoiler, among others.
A new set of 19-inch black wheels rounds up the exterior changes, while inside, the Scorpion is available with unique carbon fiber-like trim as well as a nice choice of Red Nappa Leather or Black Nappa Leather.
Good car inside and out.... Kia priced it too high... if Acura could barely move products in the 50-60 sport sedan segment, KIA would have more difficulties even tho their product is much better.
If the top trim was at 45k, it would have sold a lot more.
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Report: Kia to Ax Stinger in 2nd Quarter of 2022
