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Does it make you regret pulling the trigger on your 370Z at all?
Not in the least. The Nismo isn't going anywhere, ever, if I have anything to do about it. The Kia still has a major piece of the puzzle missing for me- a 6MT. If anything, I'll just end up turboing the Nismo one day. I love the looks, handling, transmission and seating position way too much to ever give it up. Power isn't crazy (350hp/276lbft) but it's enough to have fun with and I bet my Nismo weighs less than the Stinger. For 10k CAN, it could also be safely putting down 500-550 whp
I will replace either my TL or Wifey's turbo Sonata one day, though. I also do want a 4th car eventually. I just don't have anywhere to store it right now
So this is basically a RWD Optima with more power, yes?
If there is a lesson for Kia with the Optima, it is that cute designs is not good enough to sell cars. Value could give someone a pause, special leases. Because the non-existent resale value of their $35K+ vehicles, their lease rates for these are horrible here, For example a discounted 2016 Cadenza 36 mo / 36miles at 0% is $874CA / mo!!.
Umm... wow. If feel like I'm seeing a little bit of Jaguar in that side shot as well.
Never thought I'd say that about a Kia... but wow. Then again I never thought I'd say that about Hyundai either but they've been rocking it for a while now.
So this is basically a RWD Optima with more power, yes?
No, this has different engine, different platform, different interior, different transmission. This isn't like the accord-TLX type deal with shared platforms.
If there is a lesson for Kia with the Optima, it is that cute designs is not good enough to sell cars. Value could give someone a pause, special leases. Because the non-existent resale value of their $35K+ vehicles, their lease rates for these are horrible here, For example a discounted 2016 Cadenza 36 mo / 36miles at 0% is $874CA / mo!!.
and How well is Acura doing with their "value-laden" cars?
Love love love it, one of the freshest and boldest designs seen in years. It does look like a mix of a bunch of other cars, like the best parts of other cars, put into one. The specs are great too. Massive applause to Kia for pulling through on this.
Check out it's inception, which started in 2011, here:
I'm excited for when Saintor trades his TLX in, in a few years. We will then be hearing how amazing the Kia Stinger is, when there's one sitting in his garage.
I like it; front is a little weird looking, reminds me a little of the vehicross, but overall I like that Kia took the leap!.
I've seen the prices listed at anywhere from 40k-52k, and that level, I'm not so sure how big of a hit Kia has on their hands. Acura tries to compete in the entry level lux field banking on value minded shoppers while Kia is already in the mainstream, and economy segments, and is trying to compete at the lowest price point there. I completely understand why Hyundai split of the Genesis line, so find it odd that Kia is going it alone. My prediction; this car is going to be like all the RWD, and/or manual cars that everyone raves about, but then no one ever actually buys.
Hopefully I am wrong, and it does extremely well, the more competition in the segment the merrier.
Very nice... I see hints of Jag, Audi and the Panamera in the design.. And for some reason, the first car that came to mind when I saw the pic of the Stinger above was the new Alfa Giulia ..
I like it; front is a little weird looking, reminds me a little of the vehicross, but overall I like that Kia took the leap!.
I've seen the prices listed at anywhere from 40k-52k, and that level, I'm not so sure how big of a hit Kia has on their hands. Acura tries to compete in the entry level lux field banking on value minded shoppers while Kia is already in the mainstream, and economy segments, and is trying to compete at the lowest price point there. I completely understand why Hyundai split of the Genesis line, so find it odd that Kia is going it alone. My prediction; this car is going to be like all the RWD, and/or manual cars that everyone raves about, but then no one ever actually buys.
Hopefully I am wrong, and it does extremely well, the more competition in the segment the merrier.
X2 on the front not being the sexiest thing I have ever seen either. I think I have to see it in person first, but so far something just doesn't feel right between the vertical air intakes, and the grille/horizontal intake.
No problem with an Honda TLX. I know the value after 36 mo aas guaranteed and it is NOT 2/3 less like the current $45K Kia (see kia.ca for reference)
Koreans were able to reproduce a Mercedes E-Class 2003 look in 2009 (now forgotten in the oblivion) now they are doing it again reproducing an Audi A7 2010 look .... in 2018. It may have a nice face but the koreans didn't prove themselves in the entry-luxo market, while Honda sure did. Honda is a sure value at $35K+, certainly not anything from Hyundai or Kia.
PS: With this kind of reply from a "senior moderator", no wonder that AZ has become an Acura bashing-fest.
It has been a decade since the bash fest began. Bring back the RWD Legend prototype we saw on Nurburgring 9 years ago and we would gladly jump back on the bandwagon.
No problem with an Honda TLX. I know the value after 36 mo aas guaranteed and it is NOT 2/3 less like the current $45K Kia (see kia.ca for reference)
Koreans were able to reproduce a Mercedes E-Class 2003 look in 2009 (now forgotten in the oblivion) now they are doing it again reproducing an Audi A7 2010 look .... in 2018. It may have a nice face but the koreans didn't prove themselves in the entry-luxo market, while Honda sure did. Honda is a sure value at $35K+, certainly not anything from Hyundai or Kia.
PS: With this kind of reply from a "senior moderator", no wonder that AZ has become an Acura bashing-fest.
So because you are bashing a Kia for being 45k (when its doing what Acura could only hope to do) and i ask a valid question of why not when in essence you are driving a 45k accord im "bashing" ???
FWIW, It doesnt matter if im a Senior Moderator or not, My job here isnt to love every single product Acura makes. I am entitled to my own opinions. I dont have to like every car they make (or at this point any car) I still like the brand, i just want them to pull their heads out of their asses and actually design something like they used to, lead, not follow years behind, design something like they keep preaching about doing in every press release/conference. When they can be a brand that excites, stirs emotions, does what they say they are going to do, gives me/us a product worth looking at in comparison to the companies they are trying to compete with and not their little brother company Honda ill look at them seriously. Until then just like you are free to Defend them, I am free to Criticize them as you do Kia/Hyundai.
So because you are bashing a Kia for being 45k (when its doing what Acura could only hope to do) and i ask a valid question of why not when in essence you are driving a 45k accord im "bashing" ???
Sure. For one, this is not an Honda. It is an Acura, remember the site... the name? It starts and ends with an A? The body sheet is all different from an Accord, and there is no Honda TLX even in Russia (where the Acura TLX also exists). Acura has made a terrific job dissociating the TLX from the Accord, justifying the premium with the styling alone. Didn't I say that it was not an Honda?
01-08-2017, 08:17 PM
