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Might be different for different areas, this is what I'm seeing:
2017 GENESIS G80Starting MSRP $41,400*
Lease starting at $359/month for 36 months with $3,999 due at signing
9/6/2017 ~ 10/2/2017Low APR 0.9% financing for up to 60 months, 1.9% for 72 months PLUS $500 GF Bonus Cash
9/6/2017 ~ 10/2/2017$1,000 Conquest Lease
9/6/2017 ~ 10/2/2017
2018 GENESIS G80Starting MSRP $41,750*
Lease starting at $429/month for 36 months with $3,999 due at signing
9/6/2017 ~ 10/2/2017Low APR 0.9% financing for up to 60 months, 1.9% for 72 months
9/6/2017 ~ 10/2/2017
Just trying to make sense how you can get $359 a month on a 50k. Because if it was true, that is very very attractive lease program.
This is what you said:
You can lease a 2017 Genny G80 ($50k car) for $359/mo. Hard numbers like residuals and such are for cars without manufacturer specials. When Kia tosses a few grand on the hood to move the units and/or subsidizes the residual/MF, the lease prices come down fast.
On a 41k, that is a little more possible since there is 9000 difference in MSRP already. But $4000 drive off is a huge chunk on a lease... never advised.
FYI. i got my 2013 F30 335i for 510 a month tax included with 1000 drive off, 36/12k miles a year, MSRP $53,000
So if you compare apple to apple, the $41k is only about $30 cheaper a month than a 53k BMW... and i dont even know if that G80 lease program is 10k a year or 12k.
Anyways, those are just marketing BS, unless they are giving HUUUUUUGe discounts, otherwise you are paying one way or the other.
interesting!
buyers in this segment are going to be making a HARD choice!
as it will come down to price, brand cachet, and driving dynamics
Yea. The entry price is also low enough to match the higher trims of mid-size family sedans. So perhaps for those looking for something like an Accord 2.0T EX-L or Touring, may be they will be tempted to go with the base RWD Stinger and give up a bunch of features and straight line performance.
Just trying to make sense how you can get $359 a month on a 50k. Because if it was true, that is very very attractive lease program.
This is what you said:
On a 41k, that is a little more possible since there is 9000 difference in MSRP already. But $4000 drive off is a huge chunk on a lease... never advised.
FYI. i got my 2013 F30 335i for 510 a month tax included with 1000 drive off, 36/12k miles a year, MSRP $53,000
So if you compare apple to apple, the $41k is only about $30 cheaper a month than a 53k BMW... and i dont even know if that G80 lease program is 10k a year or 12k.
Anyways, those are just marketing BS, unless they are giving HUUUUUUGe discounts, otherwise you are paying one way or the other.
Fair enough, I've never leased a car so thank you for the education. I wouldn't put down $4k for a lease anyway, I know at least that much. $510 incl taxes for a $53k MSRP car seems like an awesome deal. How'd you swing that?
Either way, $450ish/mo is pretty attractive to those people looking for a luxury car in comparison to something like a BMW or otherwise.
Fair enough, I've never leased a car so thank you for the education. I wouldn't put down $4k for a lease anyway, I know at least that much. $510 incl taxes for a $53k MSRP car seems like an awesome deal. How'd you swing that?
Either way, $450ish/mo is pretty attractive to those people looking for a luxury car in comparison to something like a BMW or otherwise.
I dont know about now, but for BMW 3/4 series, the residual was over 60% for 36 months lease. So that helps significantly. On top of that, BMW's money factor is usually pretty good (APR), then with the combination of BMW driving event $1000 credit towards your lease and another $5k off MSRP, that is how i could get $500 a month on a 53k msrp car and currently low $6XX on a car with $60k+ MSRP.
I can actually buy a Kia Stinger GT S now, right?
You can, for the sum of £40,495. For that you get an enormous amount of equipment, and a 365bhp bi-turbo V6 engine. So it’s more powerful and £5,000 cheaper than the current sports saloon bridesmaids. We’re talking Audi S5 Sportback, BMW 440i Gran Coupe (both of which were Kia’s performance and handling benchmarks). In the same ballpark, you’ve got the best V6-powered sporty saloon car out there too: the 375bhp Jaguar XE S.
There are four-cylinder petrol and diesel Stingers too, but ‘S’ means V6. It’s the one you’re most interested in, isn’t it?
Last time we were presented with a Stinger GT S, it was confined to that racetrack in Germany, wasn’t available for order, and was a pre-production car. This time, we’ve got a right-hand drive UK-spec Stinger, (albeit in Mallorca), in showroom trim, and the virtual order books are open.
Our early drive already explained the interior is fundamentally sorted (spot on driving position, tastefully put together), but now specs have been finalised we know the equipment levels are faintly spectacular. Stinger GT S models get LED lights, Brembo brakes, heated and cooled seats plus a heated steering wheel, adaptive cruise control with lane assist, a 7in toushcreen with Apple and Android mirroring, an electric tailgate, adaptive suspension… it’s absolutely loaded. You try getting that much kit on a German car for forty grand.
Okay, I can buy one, and it’ll be good value. Should I buy one?
If I’m permitted to swerve the question like a textbook politician, then bear in mind Kia doesn’t actually think it’ll sell many of these things. Annual sales target for 2018? 1,800 cars in the UK. Europe as a whole will only account for between seven and ten per cent of Stinger sales. The USA and Far East is where the Stinger’s audience awaits.
This is a classic ‘brand-builder’. The Stinger will sell in tiny handfuls, and it’ll be a rarer sight in Europe than a hybrid hypercar. But when you do see one, it’ll probably turn your head, and just having one in the showroom or on the website when you’re browsing for a new supermini or crossover might just tip you towards taking Kia a bit more seriously. Because it’s supposed to have pedigree, see. Which means we should get on with seeing if the most powerful, fastest Kia ever is any good.
Rattle off some numbers then…
Your 365bhp is abetted by 376lb ft of torque, which lasts from a low’n’lazy 1,300rpm right through to 4,500rpm. The 3.3-litre V6 only revs to 6,250rpm, but the redline is cheekily rated at 6,500rpm on the tacho. It’ll crack 0-62mph in a BMW 440i-matching 5.1 seconds, and tops out at 167mph.
The V6 drives via eight automatic gears - there’s no manual option - and even the paddles only override the auto-shifting for ten seconds. Because supposedly, American and Korean buyers only click a paddle once in a blue moon, for a quick overtake perhaps. Only Europeans like to take full control, we’re told. Are we sure? Hmmm.
What’s it actually like on the road?
The Stinger suffers from a phenomenon we shall call Mode Overload. Or maybe OverMode. Kia’s very proud of the many settings you can choose from, but there’s not a massive amount of difference between the five mood swings.
Comfort is the standard default. It’s not very interesting. Eco dulls the throttle and gives the gearbox narcolepsy. ‘Smart’ supposedly adapts to your driving style. If you have a sporty driving style, you might as well twist the knob towards Sport, which adds fake noise, stiffer suspension and slightly heavier steering. Sport Plus keeps all of that on and switches the traction control off.
I spent pretty much all my time in Sport, putting up with the gloopier weight of the steering to have the fizzier powertrain and tighter body control. It’s supposed to be a sports saloon anyway, and the character change between modes is nowhere near as bipolar as, say, a Mercedes-AMG C43.
Settled into Sport Mode, the Stinger sets about pleasantly surprising you. It steers accurately, and the variable ratio set-up isn’t so stupidly quick that the front tyres get caught out every time you pour it into a corner. Looking at you, C43.
There’s a pleasant balance to the chassis, which manages the critical trick of hiding its weight without detaching you from what’s going on at the wheels. It floats a little if you’re bounding over crests, but the suspension tidies up the movements professionally and there’s a lot less body roll than you’d expect for such a sizeable barge. The Brembo brakes aren’t brimming with precision, but they’re abuse-absorbing, and if you’re going to hustle the Stinger, it’s reassuring to know the stoppers aren’t made from the chocolate wafers BMW M Sport discs are.
It looks quite big and lardy.
On the road, the Stinger doesn’t just hide its weight, it also shrinks usefully. It feels no bigger or more cumbersome than a 4 Series. It cruises extremely quietly. And it feels quick too. The V6 is more on the Audi S4 end of the charisma scale than up there with the raucous C43, but it delivers power with a broad, stout linearity, and the eight gear ratios are chosen cleverly. Turbo lag? Not a problem.
The gearbox is less impressive. The changes, manual or automated, just aren’t that quick, and because you’re denied a true manual mode, it’ll get properly flustered if your paddleshift override disagrees with its opinion of what gear to pick next. It always auto upchanges at the (fake) redline, and if you accidentally trigger the lockdown button you might as well stick the hazards on while the transmission fumbles for the shortest gear possible.
But it’s credible? An actual sports saloon, not a cruise liner with red brake calipers?
Yes, albeit one that feels far more at home living up to the ‘GT’ part of its name than trying to ram its Nürburgring honing down your throat. But it’s a sorted road car, on the whole. Not a machine you’d set a 5am Sunday alarm call to thrash, but one you might come off the motorway a junction early in a couple of times a week, just to hustle it cross-country. For a first effort in a mighty competitive class, the Stinger deserves credit. Best of all, it actually manages to feel like a lot of car for £40k.
Someone left this comment at the bottom of the C&D review:
Nitpick this car all you want, but the Stinger was never meant to be a sports car. It is a GT car. It is meant to be a comfortable sporty car. Still, I seem to remember more than a few M-B cars having terrible ride quality, BMWs having lifeless steering and Audis having excessive understeer. The Stinger clearly punches above its weight and if you are looking for something with more performance but don't want to spend much more money, the G70 will be smaller, lighter, faster and more dynamic. Mission accomplished for Kia.
Talk about hitting the nail on the head.
Also, the car got twitchy on shit roads when they punch the gas? No fucking shit, Sherlock it's like they're looking for shit to complain about but are coming up dry. Also, have these guys never driven a RWD drive car? Twitchy as fuck on shit roads, with any gas. Isn't the top of the line stinger rear wheel biased AWD? If so, same thing.
Hmmm, I think that's a legit complaint though. The AP1 S2000 got the same complaint too but that's more of less okay since it's a roadster/sports car. It's supposed to be that way. But for something like the Stinger, Hyundai says it's more of a GT car. Cars in this class more of less feel more stable through corners.
I believe the best in this business is the Cadillac ATS and CTS. Both of these have been highly praised for their handling, driving dynamics, and a reasonably well sorted ride. Here's a quote from C/D about the CTS:
The CTS is one of the most dynamic sedans in the mid-size luxury segment. Steering is direct; the front wheels respond immediately to inputs, but some of our editors feel that the steering effort is artificially heavy no matter which driving mode is selected. Nonetheless, turn-in is wonderfully sharp, and the CTS seems to hunker down through corners. Body roll is well controlled, and even in aggressive maneuvers, the CTS remains composed and unruffled.
The CTS is RWD, and it's got a decent amount of power.
Dodge also got the suspension tuned right for their Charger:
The performance-tuned suspension doesn’t have the adjustable factor of the Hellcat’s or the SRT 392 Charger’s but is never jouncy in the middle of travel and delivers good body control without beating up its occupants. There’s almost no side-to-side head toss, even on undulating, high-crown roads. The Scat Pack’s electrically boosted steering doesn’t give up much to the Hellcat’s hydraulically boosted setup; turn-in is quick yet nicely weighted with good on-center feel, and the car goes where it’s pointed with precision.
I thought the C/D article was just stating their observations. The Stinger is a seriously good attempt by Kia to make a GT RWD car that is highly affordable. It's got a strong optional engine, it's loaded with a lot of features, it's got aggressive styling, and for the most part it seems to be reasonably fun to drive.
But it doesn't mean it's flawless. The handling can be nervous if you push it hard, the tranny isn't as responsive as some would've like, and the engine doesn't sound as nice in the higher rev range.
Despite of the shortcomings, I still think it's an excellent effort by Kia. And I'd expect the model will get better during the MMC and FMC. I mean no car is really perfect. Even the C43, the 340i, S4, ATS, etc, they all have some issues. That doesn't mean the are bad cars. I think it's good that C/D are pointing some of the issues out.
Nationally, Kia is offering the 255 hp Stinger 2.0 turbo from $299 for 36 months with $2,999 due at signing. The deal includes an allowance of 12,000 miles per year, which is pretty standard for Kia.
Based on an effective cost of $382/month, we consider this a pretty good deal given the vehicle’s MSRP of $32,800. Program bulletins show the deal includes an impressive $4,800 in factory lease discounts.
This means the base model Stinger is actually cheaper to lease than Chevy Camaro with the 2.0T even though the Kia has a sticker price that is $5000 more. But the news gets better, apparently, the higher up you go on the Stinger trim level, the more money Kia puts on the hood to make the lease competitive.At the top of the range, the all-wheel drive Stinger GT2 benefits from a whopping $6,800 in lease cash, something we consider incredibly surprising. In contrast, buying a Stinger isn’t nearly as attractive, at least for now.
Yea. But I think the same can be said with most cars in this segment eh - 340i, C43 AMG, Q50 Red Sport - none of these are track monsters.
With that said, are we really suppsoed to compare the Stinger to those cars? I thought that's what the G70 is for?
Correct - the Stinger is a good bit larger and competes more with the likes of the 4 Series GC and the A5 Sportback (which are both a good bit more expensive than the 3 Series and A4) not only in size, but form-factor.
There have been numerous Kia dealerships charging a market-adjustment - with a few actually paying it (suppose for a hard to find color combo), but the majority of Stinger buyers seems to have been able to get one at or below MSRP (unless a rare color package).
Last month, Kia managed to sell 826 of the Stinger despite tight supply and many buyers frustrated with the color options available and the lack of GTs in stock (presently, H/K are having trouble producing enough of the TTV6 to meet demand).
A lot buyers seem frustrated that Canada not only gets better pricing, but didn't decontent (360 camera, rear heated seats, etc.), but that hasn't stopped a few buyers from opting for the Stinger GT over an M or AMG (nevermind, a run-of-the-mill 3/4 Series or C Class).
A mod for a Lexus forum also traded in an RC-F and an IS for a Stinger GT.
Think Kia USA made a mistake deconteting the USDM version as a good # of prospective buyers have indicated that they are going to hold off in case Kia adds them to later MY Stingers (w/ some ending up getting a German which had all the features they wanted).
I think it is too early to tell...give it 6 months and we will have an idea how the car is being received by the Market....
We got plenty of ppl rushing buying RLX at MSRP when it was introduced....
Not saying they are the same thing but it s too early to tell.
The best way to grab a Stinger will likely to be leasing. Right now the rates are just too high even with a sizable rebate attached. A MF of 0.002 for a Kia is absurd. Give it a month or two for those rates to come down and then I'd think about it.
I think it is too early to tell...give it 6 months and we will have an idea how the car is being received by the Market....
We got plenty of ppl rushing buying RLX at MSRP when it was introduced....
Not saying they are the same thing but it s too early to tell.
True, but it's a good start (w/ low supply, esp. of the more desirable GT).
Some think different, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Stinger sells as well (if not a little better) than the upcoming Genesis G70 (nicer-looking sheetmetal, more room, greater practicality, etc.).
Over in Australia, there's a 4-5 month wait for buyers to get delivery of their Stinger GTs.
Nationally, Kia is offering the 255 hp Stinger 2.0 turbo from $299 for 36 months with $2,999 due at signing. The deal includes an allowance of 12,000 miles per year, which is pretty standard for Kia.
Based on an effective cost of $382/month, we consider this a pretty good deal given the vehicle’s MSRP of $32,800. Program bulletins show the deal includes an impressive $4,800 in factory lease discounts.
At the top of the range, the all-wheel drive Stinger GT2 benefits from a whopping $6,800 in lease cash, something we consider incredibly surprising.
It's actually even more now, you can get $7200 off the GT2. That said, the MF's are still shit and the residuals are pretty terrible. A no down lease on the GT2 is still nearly $600. For that much, I'd rather lease a C43 or something like that.
If not; $51870CA for Stinger GT vs $55945CA for a 340i,.... that Kia is *so dead*.
Once again the misinformed statements flow like water.
The $52k Stinger GT is the fully decked out with every option under the sun model. If you do the same for a 340i you'll be well into the $65k range. FWIW, the base GT is $40k.
Such an attractive looking car. If only there was a manual transmission option. I would legitimately consider one of these. Alas, I won't consider it otherwise, as much as I do like it.
I know it has its flaws... But again... at 45k and fully loaded... damn. It's a vehicle I would strongly consider for a significant other. Practical, not crazy expensive, roomy, rwd and pretty fun... fun enough for me to play with the odd time I would drive it, but completely suitable for daily use for an SO. Now i just need to find an SO
Once again the misinformed statements flow like water.
The $52k Stinger GT is the fully decked out with every option under the sun model. If you do the same for a 340i you'll be well into the $65k range. FWIW, the base GT is $40k.
Once again you misread
No it is is the base one, in $CA as I wrote. Also the Canadian 340i comes better equipped than the USA one.
Also, you know more than BMW of Canada too! If I equip the 340i on BMW of Canada's website to the same level as the high end Stinger it comes to 67500 loonies.
Also, you know more than BMW of Canada too! If I equip the 340i on BMW of Canada's website to the same level as the high end Stinger it comes to 67500 loonies.
Once again I misread. The $51870CA is the Limited.... I thought the one at left was the 2.0T.
Such an attractive looking car. If only there was a manual transmission option. I would legitimately consider one of these. Alas, I won't consider it otherwise, as much as I do like it.
I know it has its flaws... But again... at 45k and fully loaded... damn. It's a vehicle I would strongly consider for a significant other. Practical, not crazy expensive, roomy, rwd and pretty fun... fun enough for me to play with the odd time I would drive it, but completely suitable for daily use for an SO. Now i just need to find an SO
Haha well you kinda answered your "SO..." part when you said you know it has its flaws.
However we put it, even if the car has its flaws, Kia is the winner since people are associating a Kia with BMW, Mercedes, Audi. That's some accomplishment.
For me, I think the flaws are its interior quality, weight, and the 8AT. Perhaps these are the sacrifices Kia had to make in order to price the car low.
No one has mentioned it, but in some ways, the Stinger reminds me a bit of the Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon in Australia. Big, 350+hp, RWD.
10-02-2017, 10:00 PM
it's like they're looking for shit to complain about but are coming up dry. Also, have these guys never driven a RWD drive car? Twitchy as fuck on shit roads, with any gas. Isn't the top of the line stinger rear wheel biased AWD? If so, same thing.
The $51870CA is the Limited.... I thought the one at left was the 2.0T.