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Old 11-30-2017, 05:34 PM
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I believe 32k is the 4 banger. it seems 44K CAD is for the v6?
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that is rare. usually manuf. refuses to give out huge discounts or programs on new cars...
they have to make inroad and push product in a new segment

its smart of them.
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$32,000 MSRP??

In Canada it's way more : -(

https://www.kia.ca/stinger2018
I don't think we actually have the turbo 4 base model here. 44k CAD for the GT model isn't too bad.
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Yea. But I think the same can be said with most cars in this segment eh - 340i, C43 AMG, Q50 Red Sport - none of these are track monsters.

With that said, are we really suppsoed to compare the Stinger to those cars? I thought that's what the G70 is for?
Correct - the Stinger is a good bit larger and competes more with the likes of the 4 Series GC and the A5 Sportback (which are both a good bit more expensive than the 3 Series and A4) not only in size, but form-factor.

There have been numerous Kia dealerships charging a market-adjustment - with a few actually paying it (suppose for a hard to find color combo), but the majority of Stinger buyers seems to have been able to get one at or below MSRP (unless a rare color package).

Last month, Kia managed to sell 826 of the Stinger despite tight supply and many buyers frustrated with the color options available and the lack of GTs in stock (presently, H/K are having trouble producing enough of the TTV6 to meet demand).

A lot buyers seem frustrated that Canada not only gets better pricing, but didn't decontent (360 camera, rear heated seats, etc.), but that hasn't stopped a few buyers from opting for the Stinger GT over an M or AMG (nevermind, a run-of-the-mill 3/4 Series or C Class).

A mod for a Lexus forum also traded in an RC-F and an IS for a Stinger GT.

Think Kia USA made a mistake deconteting the USDM version as a good # of prospective buyers have indicated that they are going to hold off in case Kia adds them to later MY Stingers (w/ some ending up getting a German which had all the features they wanted).

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I think it is too early to tell...give it 6 months and we will have an idea how the car is being received by the Market....
We got plenty of ppl rushing buying RLX at MSRP when it was introduced....

Not saying they are the same thing but it s too early to tell.
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The best way to grab a Stinger will likely to be leasing. Right now the rates are just too high even with a sizable rebate attached. A MF of 0.002 for a Kia is absurd. Give it a month or two for those rates to come down and then I'd think about it.
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I'm sure our resident H/K hater will have an example of low priced used units soon.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo View Post
I think it is too early to tell...give it 6 months and we will have an idea how the car is being received by the Market....
We got plenty of ppl rushing buying RLX at MSRP when it was introduced....

Not saying they are the same thing but it s too early to tell.
True, but it's a good start (w/ low supply, esp. of the more desirable GT).

Some think different, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Stinger sells as well (if not a little better) than the upcoming Genesis G70 (nicer-looking sheetmetal, more room, greater practicality, etc.).

Over in Australia, there's a 4-5 month wait for buyers to get delivery of their Stinger GTs.

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Kia is offering some pretty sweet lease deals on the Stinger:
https://jalopnik.com/kia-is-offering...f-y-1820848361

Nationally, Kia is offering the 255 hp Stinger 2.0 turbo from $299 for 36 months with $2,999 due at signing. The deal includes an allowance of 12,000 miles per year, which is pretty standard for Kia.

Based on an effective cost of $382/month, we consider this a pretty good deal given the vehicle’s MSRP of $32,800. Program bulletins show the deal includes an impressive $4,800 in factory lease discounts.
At the top of the range, the all-wheel drive Stinger GT2 benefits from a whopping $6,800 in lease cash, something we consider incredibly surprising.
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Fuck yeah, Kia. That's one way to enter a new segment
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I gotta lol at the name "Stinger GT2".

Please. I'm no Porsche aficionado, but that's not a name you hijack. When people say "GT2", they sure as fuck ain't talking about a Kia.
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Kia is offering some pretty sweet lease deals on the Stinger:
https://jalopnik.com/kia-is-offering...f-y-1820848361
It's actually even more now, you can get $7200 off the GT2. That said, the MF's are still shit and the residuals are pretty terrible. A no down lease on the GT2 is still nearly $600. For that much, I'd rather lease a C43 or something like that.
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Better start with the massive discounts now.

If not; $51870CA for Stinger GT vs $55945CA for a 340i,.... that Kia is *so dead*.

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Deader than the TLX dud?
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Deader than the TLX dud?
Go back to your overpriced Jetta now.
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Better start with the massive discounts now.

If not; $51870CA for Stinger GT vs $55945CA for a 340i,.... that Kia is *so dead*.
Once again the misinformed statements flow like water.

The $52k Stinger GT is the fully decked out with every option under the sun model. If you do the same for a 340i you'll be well into the $65k range. FWIW, the base GT is $40k.
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And after incentives, that 52k car is now a 45k car, making it very attractive.
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Such an attractive looking car. If only there was a manual transmission option. I would legitimately consider one of these. Alas, I won't consider it otherwise, as much as I do like it.

I know it has its flaws... But again... at 45k and fully loaded... damn. It's a vehicle I would strongly consider for a significant other. Practical, not crazy expensive, roomy, rwd and pretty fun... fun enough for me to play with the odd time I would drive it, but completely suitable for daily use for an SO. Now i just need to find an SO

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Saw an older gentelman test driving one last week.

A guy I know just bought one. He hasn't left a review about it though,

It is a nice car though.
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1 View Post
Once again the misinformed statements flow like water.

The $52k Stinger GT is the fully decked out with every option under the sun model. If you do the same for a 340i you'll be well into the $65k range. FWIW, the base GT is $40k.
Once again you misread

No it is is the base one, in $CA as I wrote. Also the Canadian 340i comes better equipped than the USA one.
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Once again you misread

No it is is the base one, in $CA as I wrote. Also the Canadian 340i comes better equipped than the USA one.
orly? Guess Kia of Canada didn't get that memo.

2018 Kia Stinger | All-New Sports Sedan | Kia Canada

Also, you know more than BMW of Canada too! If I equip the 340i on BMW of Canada's website to the same level as the high end Stinger it comes to 67500 loonies.
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orly? Guess Kia of Canada didn't get that memo.

2018 Kia Stinger All-New Sports Sedan Kia Canada

Also, you know more than BMW of Canada too! If I equip the 340i on BMW of Canada's website to the same level as the high end Stinger it comes to 67500 loonies.

Once again I misread. The $51870CA is the Limited.... I thought the one at left was the 2.0T.
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Such an attractive looking car. If only there was a manual transmission option. I would legitimately consider one of these. Alas, I won't consider it otherwise, as much as I do like it.

I know it has its flaws... But again... at 45k and fully loaded... damn. It's a vehicle I would strongly consider for a significant other. Practical, not crazy expensive, roomy, rwd and pretty fun... fun enough for me to play with the odd time I would drive it, but completely suitable for daily use for an SO. Now i just need to find an SO
Haha well you kinda answered your "SO..." part when you said you know it has its flaws.

However we put it, even if the car has its flaws, Kia is the winner since people are associating a Kia with BMW, Mercedes, Audi. That's some accomplishment.

For me, I think the flaws are its interior quality, weight, and the 8AT. Perhaps these are the sacrifices Kia had to make in order to price the car low.

No one has mentioned it, but in some ways, the Stinger reminds me a bit of the Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon in Australia. Big, 350+hp, RWD.
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Haha well you kinda answered your "SO..." part when you said you know it has its flaws.

However we put it, even if the car has its flaws, Kia is the winner since people are associating a Kia with BMW, Mercedes, Audi. That's some accomplishment.

For me, I think the flaws are its interior quality, weight, and the 8AT. Perhaps these are the sacrifices Kia had to make in order to price the car low.

No one has mentioned it, but in some ways, the Stinger reminds me a bit of the Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon in Australia. Big, 350+hp, RWD.
It remains to be seen what the interior quality actually is, I really want to go drive one soon if I can find a dealer that has one. But if the Genesis line has anything to say about it, the Kia/Hyundai interiors aren't at all worse than the Germans for a lower price tag.

I've been saying this for a while but it's getting harder and harder to justify the badge tax on some of the luxury cars these days. The mainstream options are all just as good or better for a lower price.
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there's no doubt the interior will be cheaper than the germans. This is still a Kia, not a Genesis.

the question then becomes- do you see value in spending 15-20k more on a car with similar features, just because the rear doors are softer to the touch?
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Now you mentioned it... i think this car should have been introduced by Genesis instead of KIA.

This car is not needed in the segment that KIA is in... but Genesis needs it.
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Now you mentioned it... i think this car should have been introduced by Genesis instead of KIA.
That'll be the G70.
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there's no doubt the interior will be cheaper than the germans. This is still a Kia, not a Genesis.

the question then becomes- do you see value in spending 15-20k more on a car with similar features, just because the rear doors are softer to the touch?
Tons of people will continue to see the value in the badge more so than anything else. Look at how many CLA's Mercedes sells and how many 320i's BMW sells. Those are just for the badge, not for the enthusiast. The quality is better, but not THAT much better. Even the new Accord has soft touch materials everywhere you actually touch and not the places you never will. Even my Jeep has the same thing and a stitched dash and a ton of other things that you only saw in the luxury brands not too long ago.
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Whatbis you mean? It' a good value proposition compared to the big boys, at a good value proposition price point. It's clear Kia and Hyundai want to rid themselves of their past and be considered as brands equal if not better than the mainstream offerings.

there was a time when people would have laughed at the thought of Kia (myself included) and wouldn't touch their cars with a 50 foot pole. This car helps them shed that just a wee bit more. I have a feeling they're not expecting this car to sell in droves. But it puts them in the light they want to be considered under.
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Tons of people will continue to see the value in the badge more so than anything else. Look at how many CLA's Mercedes sells and how many 320i's BMW sells. Those are just for the badge, not for the enthusiast. The quality is better, but not THAT much better. Even the new Accord has soft touch materials everywhere you actually touch and not the places you never will. Even my Jeep has the same thing and a stitched dash and a ton of other things that you only saw in the luxury brands not too long ago.
You're now talking about 2 different things. Brand name is one thing that people are willing to spend 15k on. Soft touch materials? While some say yes, the majority likely wouldnt even notice. Many less people will choose to spend 15k more just because of the softness factor.

also I never see 320s here. And rarely see CLA250s. Every one seems to splurge for the more expensive versions. At least in my city.

also, I don' know what accord you were sitting in, but I recently was in a new 2.0T Sport and it was hard plastic galore. The touring trim is nice. But anything below that is much more Spartan
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That'll be the G70.
But G70 is not a 4 door coupe with a hatch,,, which is what every manuf. is going after these days.

G70 is boring when compared to Stinger.
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Well I can relate to where SamDoe is coming from....recently test drove a new A4 2.0T and a Accord 1.5T touring. I was quite impressed by how good the Accord is vs the A4, given the price difference.
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Better start with the massive discounts now.

If not; $51870CA for Stinger GT vs $55945CA for a 340i,.... that Kia is *so dead*.
There are buyers who are opting for the Stinger GT when they could have had an AMG or M for not much more (due to heavy discounts); when was that ever said for the TLX?


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Once again the misinformed statements flow like water.

The $52k Stinger GT is the fully decked out with every option under the sun model. If you do the same for a 340i you'll be well into the $65k range. FWIW, the base GT is $40k.
The Stinger's competition (from BMW) is more the 4 Series Gran Coupe which is even more expensive.

The G70 will be the 3 Series competitor.


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there's no doubt the interior will be cheaper than the germans. This is still a Kia, not a Genesis.

the question then becomes- do you see value in spending 15-20k more on a car with similar features, just because the rear doors are softer to the touch?
Originally Posted by SamDoe1 View Post
It remains to be seen what the interior quality actually is, I really want to go drive one soon if I can find a dealer that has one. But if the Genesis line has anything to say about it, the Kia/Hyundai interiors aren't at all worse than the Germans for a lower price tag.

I've been saying this for a while but it's getting harder and harder to justify the badge tax on some of the luxury cars these days. The mainstream options are all just as good or better for a lower price.
Overall, the interior of the Stinger doesn't match the Germans, albeit in certain areas is as good or better (such as the leather; need to spend more $$ to get good leather from the Germans).

The biggest issues would be harder plastics on/near the bottom (not that big of a deal for me) and not all the metal-looking bits being aluminum.

While the buttons on the center stack, the speaker covers and trim on the dash is aluminum, Kia, unfortunately cut some costs by going w/ silver-painted door releases, paddle shifters and the trim on the knobs - which is something I'd like them to see them correct for the next gen Stinger, if not for the MCE (as having all the touch-points made out of quality materials is a pet peeve).

All the shiny bits in the G70 are metal.

This is where Hyundai's greater resources come into the picture.

Hyundai can make all those bits real metal as they can amortize the costs throughout the growing Genesis lineup (currently planned for at least 8 models, but more likely 9; 10 if Genesis ends up getting that 2-seater hybrid sportscar).

Kia, right now, has to make due with just the Stinger and K900 (altho there is talk of them doing premium crossover).

So, while not matching the Germans, comparable to the interiors of sedans like the ATS, Jaguar XE, etc.

Also, it seems that the USDM Stinger's interior is not quite as nice as the KDM Stinger (another point of contention for prospective Stinger buyers).

Originally Posted by oonowindoo View Post
Now you mentioned it... i think this car should have been introduced by Genesis instead of KIA.

This car is not needed in the segment that KIA is in... but Genesis needs it.
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But G70 is not a 4 door coupe with a hatch,,, which is what every manuf. is going after these days.

G70 is boring when compared to Stinger.
Perfectly fine as a Kia as Kia and Hyundai/Genesis compete with each other - including in the luxury market in Korea (which goes back to the Stinger being an entry-level luxury model that just happens to be not be under a separate luxury badge - just as Infinitis and Acuras are Nissans and Hondas in Japan, not to mention the Toyota Century and Crown Series).

It's also smart that H and K aren't competing head-to-head with each other in the luxury segment.

The Stinger slots btwn the G70 and G80 in size and the K900 slots btwn the G80 and G90 in size.

Look for the next K900 to adopt a sleeker profile (whereas the next G90 should retain that traditional "box" limo shape); wouldn't be surprised if it also adopted the fastback bodystyle.

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Sure. For one, this is not an Honda. It is an Acura, remember the site... the name? It starts and ends with an A? The body sheet is all different from an Accord, and there is no Honda TLX even in Russia (where the Acura TLX also exists). Acura has made a terrific job dissociating the TLX from the Accord, justifying the premium with the styling alone. Didn't I say that it was not an Honda?
Not to revive this post, but even the mighty NSX is just a Honda in other markets.



Btw, appears that the NSX will be getting competition from Hyundai - either as a Hyundai, an one-off N model or as a Genesis.

And Honda execs, themselves, have stated that Acura is a separate sales channel.
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You're now talking about 2 different things. Brand name is one thing that people are willing to spend 15k on. Soft touch materials? While some say yes, the majority likely wouldnt even notice. Many less people will choose to spend 15k more just because of the softness factor.

also I never see 320s here. And rarely see CLA250s. Every one seems to splurge for the more expensive versions. At least in my city.

also, I don' know what accord you were sitting in, but I recently was in a new 2.0T Sport and it was hard plastic galore. The touring trim is nice. But anything below that is much more Spartan
I see tons of both around here, along with base model C300's with couch casters for wheels. They are all obviously the base lease spec models because they all look the same.

I drove both the Sport and the EXL. I was happy with that interior for that car for the price they were asking. I also drove a 328i not too long ago and was not happy with the interior of that car for that price, it looked like it belonged in something $15k cheaper and had hard plastic galore. Same with the A4 I had as a rental. The point with a Honda is to make a cheap interior appear to not be cheap and they hit that out of the park.
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KIA is on it and comin' for zee Germans' lunch ...
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Old 01-14-2018, 07:24 PM
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Sooooooooooooo......... My and buddy I went to test drive some GT2 Stingers today. The only reason why we don't have them in our garages right now is because I had the will power to get us out of there somehow. We're both younger professionals, make 6 figures, need four doors, etc. Basically we're the ideal candidates for a car like this. Mark my words, one of us if not both of us will own this car by the end of this year.

We had a super cool salesmen who kept encouraging us to dog the shit out of the car. Of course we both abided without any hesitation. We launched it, drifted it, hit 100mph+ on the highway. I've never met a salesmen quite like this guy before in my life. If you are in the Northern Virginia area and want to do a test drive at this dealership, feel free to message me for their contact info.

Without going too far into the details, they were willing to do $41K for the car plus taxes, title, etc (RWD GT2). This involves leasing the car for the manufacturer rebate, and then buying out the lease at the one year mark. This process involves an additional $1,000 roughly in fees to refinance.

I could leave a super long review after an extended test drive, but would rather not. Let me just say that if there is ANY car in the market that gives remotely near the bang-for-buck this car does, please tell me so that I can check that car out as well. I LOVE the fact that it is a hatchback, rear legroom is great in my perspective (5'10), has all the features you would expect in a car these days if you're spending 40k+ (HUD, heated & cooled seats, heated steering wheel, rear cross traffic alert, power folding side mirrors, etc.), makes amazing low end power, and is a lot of fun to drive. I'll nit pick about a couple of things... The transmission could be a little bit more responsive. It does not shift like an M3 or RS4, but then again it costs almost half the price. I'm not a huge fan of the shifter. You use the shifter to put it into everything except for park. "Park" has its own button. Also worth noting is the warranty Kia offers with their cars if you're worried about reliability. Basically the best in the market.

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Cement Stinger:



According to our sales guy this is apparently a European Stinger. No clue why it is here. It does not have amber in the front headlights and you will notice it has the "Stinger" badge as opposed to the "Kia" badge on the rear and some other places.

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Old 01-14-2018, 07:30 PM
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One reason why I'm hesitant on waiting to purchase this car is because I'm worried it may suffer the same fate as the GT-R when it first came out. Way too much car for the price.
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