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Old 01-12-2017, 08:55 AM
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Sure. For one, this is not an Honda. It is an Acura, remember the site... the name? It starts and ends with an A? The body sheet is all different from an Accord, and there is no Honda TLX even in Russia (where the Acura TLX also exists). Acura has made a terrific job dissociating the TLX from the Accord, justifying the premium with the styling alone. Didn't I say that it was not an Honda?
Keep telling yourself that. Just like I tell myself every time i get into my Explorer that its a Range Rover because it resembles one
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Sure. For one, this is not an Honda. It is an Acura, remember the site... the name? It starts and ends with an A? The body sheet is all different from an Accord, and there is no Honda TLX even in Russia (where the Acura TLX also exists). Acura has made a terrific job dissociating the TLX from the Accord, justifying the premium with the styling alone. Didn't I say that it was not an Honda?
Delusional.
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This would be a very, very boring forum if the only thing we were allowed to do was join the circlejerk praising Acura and forbidden from comparing any other vehicle in a favorable light.
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No, this has different engine, different platform, different interior, different transmission. This isn't like the accord-TLX type deal with shared platforms.
I know that. I was referring more to the exterior. The exterior is exactly like the 2G Optima, but better. I happen to love the design of that Optima, so I was making a veiled positive statement. I saw it in person at NAIAS yesterday and it is indeed the hotness. If I could post Instagram pics here I'd share (my insta name is the same as here).


Hyundai totally gets it! Great design, better reliability, luxury features. The biggest issue they have to fix now is poor resale value.
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https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/stinger/first-drive

You’re telling us Kia has decided to make a fast and slinky rear-drive saloon?

Yes, the Kia Stinger is exactly that. Well apart from the saloon bit: it’s a hatch. Think of it as a BMW 4-Series Gran Coupe, but a little longer and lower. Kia seems to have had the idea before BMW, with the Kia GT show car in 2011.

Not exactly Kia’s core territory though?

No, but don’t underestimate this Korean giant’s reach. As part of the Hyundai Motor group, they have access to modern rear-drive platforms from the new Genesis brand. They already build the twin-turbo V6 (a 3.3-litre with 370bhp), their own eight-speed auto, etcetera. All in a body made of their own steel, carried to Europe in ships they constructed.

How’s it look outside a motor show?

Pretty good. The long, low proportions help. The cabin’s set well back, and from the rear you notice a voluptuous swell over the rear wheels. Kia’s head of design at its European studio authored the Stinger. He’s Gregory Guillaume, a Frenchman who’s worked for strong European design houses before Kia.

Guillaume pushed for the long wheelbase, so he could lower the seats and roof yet leave legroom intact. He didn’t want a deploying rear spoiler, because it would have added cut-lines. So the team went for careful underfloor aero instead.

Even so, there are a lot of cuts at the back. But it’s a striking and graceful machine overall, and not too aggressive. That matches its driving character, as we’ll see.

And underneath?

Just as Kia had built its first chassis-test mule for the Stinger (under a Genesis GT body) the parent corporation took on Albert Biermann to be its boss of dynamics. He used to have the same job at BMW M. Biermann has taken an extremely close interest in the Stinger’s development.

Though the engine is fundamentally an existing job, the chassis is largely new. The front suspension is entirely bespoke, the rear heavily modified. Adaptive dampers are standard on the V6.

Of course, very few people in Europe will buy a V6 petrol Kia – after all, very few actually buy six-cylinder petrol BMWs. The big(ger) sellers in Britain will be a 2.0 turbo petrol of 255bhp, and a 200bhp 2.2 diesel.

In some places there’s an AWD option, but the front diff is installed where the RHD steering column would be, so we don’t get it here.

So can Kia build a decent sporty rear-driver?

Yes. But this judgment comes with a big proviso: we were confined to track testing it. At the Nürburgring. Still, its blind tightening corners, bumps and dips and crests do make a good job of imitating an interesting hilly road.

The Stinger’s great talent is how natural it feels. You sit low, and address the wheel and pedals straight-ahead. That’s good for the articulation of your arms and legs. Then its reactions are reassuring and predictable. That’s most welcome on a track that often springs a new surprise just as you are picking your way through the last one.

Turn the wheel and the body moves exactly as you’d subconsciously expect. Big saloons with ‘sporty’ bent sometimes give you initial sog followed by a sudden twitch. Instead the Stinger is progressive. The roll, of which there isn’t too much, also develops in proportion. Which makes it a reassuring car to drive briskly. It will react to trimming the line by throttle. Traction out of bends is stout, helped by limited-slip differential, and the stability control does its work subtly.

It’s not razor-sharp (nor’s a 4-Series unless it’s an M4, and they don’t do an M4 in the GC body) but it’s game and dignified. Doesn’t feel out of its depth even under this provocation.

I also had a lap in the 4WD version. It’s supposed to be rear-biased, but feels more mute and unreactive in corners, and the 2WD one would out-accelerate it noticeably in the lower gears because of weight and rotational inertia. Mind you, the weather was warm and dry. In the wet 4WD would help, but it’s not a choice we’ll have here.

And the engine?

At 1,730kg, the Stinger isn’t a light car, because the body is almost all steel and it’s longer than direct competitors. Even so it doesn’t hang about: the 370bhp V6 does 0-62mph in 5.1 seconds, says Kia. The engine lags a bit until you’ve got some revs up, then it hits its stride with a nice harmonious warble. The transmission shifts slickly, but the paddles won’t entirely over-ride it.

The suspension seems to avoid too much bang’n’crash on notorious bits of the ‘Ring such as the Karussell, but really it’d be premature to give a verdict on ride comfort.

What about the cabin?

Kia has gone for lots of hardware switches – climate, stereo, seat heaters etc all have their own buttons, whereas rivals do some or all of that on screens. I prefer the Kia approach. You can do common things by sense of touch alone.

A head-up display is augmented by a configurable TFT between the real dials. Some 15 speakers of Harman Kardon audio goodness are on the options list. We see no glaring omissions in the connectivity or active safety line-up, but on the other hand it’s not going to try to drive itself.

The seats are plushly padded, but managed to hold me in place as we squiggled between the Armco through the Eifel forest.

When, and how much?

It comes to the UK in late autumn. No exact word on prices, but the hints are that it’ll cost slightly less than an equivalently powered BMW 4-Series, despite being a bit bigger.

Kia has to carry a badge discount compared with the Germans, surely…

Exactly. Sure, the Sportage and Soul sold well on their styling, but at this higher level people want a brand. Kia’s main hope is the Stinger causes people to take the rest of its range more seriously.
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What is with companies putting the Park button in an unnatural location?

I tried to put my car in park this morning after a week driving something else and I almost drove through my kitchen.
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looks great
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Still a cool car. Glad to see Kia has a realistic outlook on its sales numbers, too.
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I love that Kia is going to make this thing but that interior just doesn't make me want one... It still looks cheap and uninspiring compared to the competition. If it was going to come in substantially cheaper than the BMW then I could live with it but at close to the same price...it won't fly.
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I think it's worth checking out at the next car show... Photos don't always give the full uh... Picture.
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I was very impressed with the car until i saw the interior shots.... reminds me of a bad copy of C class interior.
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I agree. That's why I'm hoping seeing it in person will be better than these photos.

The revised tlx looked like shit in photos. Apparently looks fantastic in real life.
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I agree. That's why I'm hoping seeing it in person will be better than these photos.

The revised tlx looked like shit in photos. Apparently looks fantastic in real life.
I've been meaning to drive by west side acura to check out their inventory, when the 3G facelift MDX came out they had a couple really early on.
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I agree. That's why I'm hoping seeing it in person will be better than these photos.

The revised tlx looked like shit in photos. Apparently looks fantastic in real life.
Even then, I want to see it after like 10,000 miles.
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Even then, I want to see it after like 10,000 miles.
What do you mean? Like if it holds up suspension wise?
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Even then, I want to see it after like 10,000 miles.
See what after 10k? The TLX, Stinger? What do you want to see?
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What do you mean? Like if it holds up suspension wise?
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See what after 10k? The TLX, Stinger? What do you want to see?
I want to see the Kia Stinger interior after 10,000 miles. That's always my issue with the entry level models. Hondas hold up. Chevys often don't.
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i've got about 75k on my 2012 kia sportage. interior has held up well! better than my TL. my TL's interior will get scratched up just by looking at it.
since the Kia is an economy car, the interior is well suited for daily driving duties. the only thing that i'll have to fix is something in the door panel. it used to sound solid. I think something fell or the sound barrier tore inside, cuz now it sounds tinny when i close the door. but that's simple to investigate and fix
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i've got about 75k on my 2012 kia sportage. interior has held up well! better than my TL. my TL's interior will get scratched up just by looking at it.
since the Kia is an economy car, the interior is well suited for daily driving duties. the only thing that i'll have to fix is something in the door panel. it used to sound solid. I think something fell or the sound barrier tore inside, cuz now it sounds tinny when i close the door. but that's simple to investigate and fix
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She looks angry.
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Originally Posted by kurtatx View Post
I want to see the Kia Stinger interior after 10,000 miles. That's always my issue with the entry level models. Hondas hold up. Chevys often don't.
My moms '13 Tucson with 80k on it still looks like new and its not well taken care of. The interior in my (formerly my dads who also didnt take care of it) 2010 genesis with 212k miles on it has held up better than my Acuras did at the 1 year mark.
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https://www.topgear.com/advertisemen...he-kia-stinger

A group of excited petrolheads, a world touring car champion, and one of the greatest tracks in Great Britain: Cadwell Park, also known as the mini-Nurburgring… What better way to introduce the mighty new Kia Stinger to the world for the first time?

You can see what happened right now by watching the video above, as the mighty 3.3 litre, twin-turbo V6-engined luxury sports GT underwent the ultimate test on road and track, and take in the thoughts of world champion racing driver Rob Huff below.

And for the full behind-the-scenes action and the full Rob Huff interview, just head this way…

So, Rob Huff, the Kia Stinger surprised you?

Well, if that car had a BMW badge, which it quite easily could, then you’d know what to expect. With a Kia badge, I didn’t know what to expect. Kia has never done a car like that before, so you wonder what will the first attempt will be like… And we all know how it turned out – I was genuinely very impressed. How Kia has managed to achieve those results, not only performance wise, but also handling wise, as well as making it aesthetically pleasing, at the first attempt, I think is very impressive.

How did the Kia Stinger perform on the track?

It was amazingly impressive. It has so much grip. And plenty of power – the mapping is very good, it’s very smooth, it’s very progressive, there are no holes in the map all the way from nothing to the top of the rev range. And behind those nice wheels it’s got Brembo brakes on it, so you know it’s going stop very well and pull itself up when you ask it too.

The grip and traction were amazing. The lap times we were doing, I imagine, were not far off race cars around Cadwell Park. And that to me is hugely impressive.

What do you like about Cadwell Park as a track?

I like the fact there’s no run-off. I’m known as a street racer – every street circuit I’ve ever raced in touring cars, I’ve won. I’ve won eight times in Macau for example, more than anyone else. Two weeks ago I was in Villareal in Portugal and got the new lap record. So street circuits are very much for me, and at Cadwell Park is quite like that, there’s no room for error. There’s no run-off, no gravel traps, if you run wide you’re straight into the grass and into an Armco barrier or tyre wall or whatever.

What did the passengers make of the track driving experience?

They was quite a lot of swearing! Cadwell Park was the perfect track because it’s so narrow and there’s no run-off, so people feel the danger of it. When you go that quick – and it’s a quick car – going sideways, one corner almost backwards, the whole experience of doing that day was amazing for them.

I would never normally look at a car like that, but after the day we had, I really would, it’s a genuinely impressive car. And that was the reaction of people in the car – how is it possible that Kia has done this, a luxury sports GT car?

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There's still bits aesthetically that are growing on me, but overall it sounds quite impressive.
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Lol when you click into that article, it says,"Advertisement Feature" right at the top left corner. Can't wait to see actual test results and driving impression reports from the likes of C/D, MT, R&T!
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It looks lowered in that last picture. Kinda cool for a factory car to come like that.
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^ Or it's mid-corner & the passenger side suspension is compressed?
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From most angles this doesn't look too bad. But something about the Dodge Charger-like taillights and that super long rear wide marker lens keeps irking me.
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^ Or it's mid-corner & the passenger side suspension is compressed?
haha yes, body roll in action.
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From most angles this doesn't look too bad. But something about the Dodge Charger-like taillights and that super long rear wide marker lens keeps irking me.


The tail lights don't look dodge-like at all. They look more Maserati like, more than anything.
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The tail lights don't look dodge-like at all. They look more Maserati like, more than anything.
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are y'all on crack?
the 1st gen NSX did it first
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haha yes, body roll in action.
Well then :embarrassed:
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Kia Stinger doesn't just threaten the TLX, it embarrasses Acura

A thread similar to this got closed in the TLX forum (because feelings), but the reality is the Kia Stinger is far superior to the TLX based on early reviews.

Exclusive 2018 Kia Stinger GT First Test: Well Stung - Motor Trend

The concept of “grand touring” has been around for centuries, and the moniker has been applied to cars since the 1940s, but it’s a term we tend to associate with exotic sports cars. The formula, though, is pretty simple: stylish, comfortable on a long drive, and plenty of power. But there’s no rule that says it has to cost a fortune, and the Kia Stinger GT is absolutely taking advantage of this exception.

We’ve driven prototypes at an overseas R & D complex, on a frozen Swedish lake, and on the Nürburgring Nordschleife. Now, finally, we’ve driven a production-spec 2018 Kia Stinger GT on real roads and to our own Auto Club Speedway test track. How does it fare against the German luxury sedans against which it will undoubtedly be compared?

Korean-branded cars usually aren’t synonymous with performance, but the rear-drive Stinger GT launches from 0 to 60 mph in 4.8 seconds and clocks the standing quarter mile in 13.3 seconds at 106.9 mph. An emergency stop from 60 mph requires 113 feet, and it’ll pull 0.85 average lateral g on a skidpad. On our exclusive figure-eight test track, the Stinger GT recorded a lap of 26.2 seconds at 0.71 average lateral g. Impressive numbers.

It’s pretty good to drive away from the test track, too. Out in the mountains, the Stinger GT exhibits a surprising but intriguing combination of vertical compliance and lateral stiffness. Over bumps, the suspension was soft and the ride of luxury-car quality. In the corners, though, it was stiff with excellent body control. Even when pushing hard, the Stinger GT rode well but dug into corners with little body roll.

The power is well-matched to the vehicle and only feels inadequate if you let the revs drop too low. You want those turbochargers working for you, and the best way to do it is to take advantage of the paddle shifters because the transmission isn’t quite aggressive enough for the really twisty roads.

“The engine has a fat torque curve, strong in midrange with noticeable lag at the bottom end,” our staff professional racer, Randy Pobst, said during filming for an episode of Ignition—which you can watch right now at Motor Trend OnDemand and YouTube.com/motortrend. “Low revs mean calling ahead and waiting for the power to be delivered. The Stinger is quite powerful, and one must constantly remind oneself that this is a Kia that is tearing up this winding road or on-ramp.”

Randy’s critique continued: “The transmission is just not sport-smart enough in automatic, especially on the track. It shifts up, so I just let it. There’s no reason for me to pull that paddle. I just have to remember to downshift on the way in, or else it won’t. The shifting is reasonable. It matches revs. It’s quick.”

It’s hard to say whether the transmission programming has changed since I drove a prototype on the Nürburgring or if our mountain roads and the Streets of Willow Springs racetrack are so much tighter that it amplifies the transmission’s inadequacy, but my initial impressions were more positive.

As well as we know the Stinger GT can drift in the right conditions, it doesn’t actually want to get wild out in the real world. The suspension tuning is conservative, the default behavior at the limit understeer. It makes the car very stable, never trying to swap ends no matter how hard you drive it. Thankfully, there’s a lot of grip in the front end, so you have to push it very hard to get it to plow. Just driving fast, it feels neutral. You need to be pushing your braking points to the last second and carrying as much speed as possible into a corner to make it cry uncle.

Here again, I wonder if the American-market tuning increases understeer versus the European-spec car I drove. Or maybe Randy just carries that much more speed in the corners. It’s probably the latter. The upshot: You’ll never feel a stability control intervention.

“What they’ve done is create stability control by tuning the car for a lot of understeer in the middle of a corner,” Randy said.

That’s not to say it won’t drift. Turn the computer off, give it a Scandinavian flick and too much throttle, and it’ll do a nice power oversteer or two. It’s just not a hoon by nature.

“It seems that the stability control is always learning and adapting,” Randy said. “Even with it turned off, it became more and more invasive as the day wore on, and the wheelspin and sliding woke up the nannies that watch over us hooligans. After a few nice drifts, the car began to resolutely resist power oversteer—a darned shame and frustrating.”

In other words, this is a grand touring sedan that actually takes its GT badge seriously. Out on the highway, it’s everything you want on a road trip. It floats over bad pavement while remaining taut and responsive on long, sweeping corners. In a world of Demons and Hellcats, 365 hp might not seem like a lot, but it’s plenty when applied correctly. The in-house eight-speed auto is programmed smartly for real-world conditions, delivering downshifts with little prodding. With the revs up and the turbos spinning, the engine delivers a pleasant surge of power that whisks you past trucks and loafers. It’s a very easy and comfortable car to cover distance in.

“The springs and shocks that control vertical motion are quite soft,” Randy said. “But transitional responses are quite well-controlled, likely by relatively strong anti-roll bars, and the ride is still quite compliant. Think ‘older Buick’ ride quality. Surprising for a sport sedan like this.”

It’s not just comfortable from the driver’s seat, either. The Kia has 2 to 4 inches of wheelbase over the Germans, and it puts them to good use. There’s ample rear-seat legroom and, despite the sloping roof, headroom for tall people. The front seats, meanwhile, are aggressively bolstered so you can concentrate on those mountain roads when you cross their path.

Capable though it may be from seat to steering, and despite testing it on the Nürburgring, Kia insists the Stinger GT isn’t a track car. We took it to a track anyway, and things got complicated. Kia’s press cars at the moment are all preproduction prototypes, and the first car they gave us suffered a power steering failure and had to be replaced. The second car, as it turns out, hadn’t yet had its U.S.-spec springs and dampers installed, and it exhibited considerably more body roll and understeer on the track than the first car. As a result, Randy posted a lap time—1:28.90—that he felt wasn’t representative of what the car could do. With a properly equipped car, Randy believes he could subtract a full second.

Things that didn’t change on track: the car’s weight and its braking performance—113 feet isn’t anywhere near a record in our 60–0-mph braking test, but it only tells part of the story. Randy was continually impressed at the durability of the brakes. Throughout a very hot day, the pedal remained consistent, and the steel brakes refused to fade.

“The brakes are impressively strong, with a consistent and firm pedal feel that inspires confidence,” he said. “The braking does not upset the chassis, and the pad compound can take the heat.”

There will be heat, and not just from the brakes. The Stinger GT is taking on a wildly competitive segment ruled by a small in-crowd. Whether it’s staring down the German triumvirate or the American holdouts, the sport sedan from the value brand has a lot to prove.

“For a first effort at a genuine sport sedan, the Stinger is quite an accomplishment,” Randy said. “It clearly is set up for a comfortable ride as a priority over race car dynamics, but in the real world, this makes sense. Even more so among buyers of a big, powerful GT car.”

Like no Korean car before it, the Stinger GT speaks the language of the enthusiast. Will they listen?How does the Stinger stack up?

How good are the Kia’s performance numbers for a 365-hp 3.3-liter twin-turbo V-6 with 376 lb-ft of torque and a roughly $40,000 starting price? They seem all right when you consider the Stinger GT falls between a midsize and full-size sedan in dimension and weighs 4,005 pounds. Making a direct comparison is trickier because it’s hard to say exactly what the Stinger competes with.

The Chevrolet SS was the most obvious spoiler, but it’s out of production. It started at about $48,000, hit 60 mph in 4.7 seconds, ran a quarter mile in 13.2 seconds at 108.9 mph, stopped from 60 in 108 feet, pulled 0.94 g average on the skidpad, and posted a 24.7-second figure-eight lap at 0.78 g average.

You could match it up with the Dodge Charger even though that car is 10 inches longer with a wheelbase nearly 6 inches longer, and it’s 300 pounds heavier. An R/T with the 370-hp 5.7-liter V-8 is cheaper by five grand, but the Kia will dust it everywhere but the skidpad and figure eight—and even then, it’s close. You need the $41,000 R/T Scat Pack with the 485-hp 6.4-liter V-8 if you want to win. And the Kia has a far nicer interior.

No, Kia wants a piece of the Germans. After all, the Stinger GT has a hatchback like the smaller Audi A5 Sportback or BMW 4 Series Gran Coupe. (The more appropriately sized Audi A7 is $69,000, in case you were wondering.)

The Audi A5 is $43,000 to start, and your only option is the 252-hp 2.0-liter turbo-four. Based on results of the lighter A4, it’s slower, but like the Charger, it just pips the Kia on the skidpad and figure eight. But it’s substantially smaller.

The BMW is also smaller but can be had with a turbo I-6 with 320 hp for about $50,000. Based on our test of the lighter 340i sedan, the 440i Gran Coupe is slower than the Kia, full stop.

Mercedes-Benz doesn’t make a hatchback sedan (yet), but to smoke the Kia, you’d need to spring for the $54,000 C43 AMG, which clips the Kia in every test but is, again, a smaller package.

In other words, the Kia can hang with the big dogs and might have carved out a pretty sharp niche.
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Wow. Looks like it's going for the kill on the Germans too, not just Acura. Not much word on the interior/luxury from the review.

Of course at a price of $40k and a KIA badge on the front.....the biggest enemy is its past reputation. It'll take a bit for someone who is shopping at that price segment to get into a Kia when they have choices at the Germans and Lexus/Inifiniti/Acura....
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Sounds like this is a great gran touring car, but as a sports sedan, based on some of Randy's words, it doesn't seem all that positive:
  • the transmission isn't quite aggressive enough for the really twisty roads
  • The transmission is just not sport-smart enough in automatic
  • noticeable lag at the bottom end, low revs mean calling ahead and waiting for the power to be delivered
  • suspension tuning is conservative, the default behavior at the limit understeer
  • the stability control, even with it turned off, became more and more invasive as the day wore on, and the wheelspin and sliding woke up the nannies that watch over us hooligans. After a few nice drifts, the car began to resolutely resist power oversteer—a darned shame and frustrating
But then, this is a pre-production model, so I think it's only fair to give it the benefit of the doubt and wait for the final US production version before jumping into conclusion. And for the price, what's more can we ask?

It's kinda heavy though at over 4000lb. I guess to keep that cost down, gotta go with steel only, especially Hyundai produces steel..lol.
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