Kia: Stinger News
07-06-2018, 01:07 PM
#321
Team Owner
I dunno, personally I think I would take a loaded Stinger GT2 over a loaded 340i if they were the same price. The Kia badge doesn't really bother me and the Stinger is a much more practical car with far more interesting styling. Not to mention the best warranty you can get on a new car.
I currently have the 4GC, so as far as practicality, they are identical... it does have its advantages due to the trunk space, but it is not as good as you think due to the design of the rear hatch and glass. You can't really fit much stuff as you would in a regular hatch.
and rear headroom is really an issue if you carry people (adult) in the back frequently. So really depends on your preferences.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 07-06-2018 at 01:09 PM.
07-08-2018, 04:13 PM
#322
Again, the purpose of the Stinger is not to be the ultimate track weapon (its curb weight and extensive luxury feature content spell that out). The Stinger is supposed to be a value-oriented luxury GT car like the 6-series BMW and the Panamara, but for less than half the price.
Can be a GT and still have a compliant ride great for highway cruising.
Not saying that the Stinger should have the same sports sedan focus as the smaller Genesis G70, but improvements can be made to the suspension tuning (the Aussie-spec Stinger has a better tune).
Don't be surprised if Kia/Biermann makes those changes to the Stinger going forward (at the very least, making more of a difference btwn normal and sport mode, or adding a sport+ mode for the USDM), including possibly adding a more hard-core trim (GT-S?) down the road.
Just needs some relatively minor tweaks and wider tires up front (like you have stated, all new models can use tweaks/improvements).
As for the Stinger having been adopted by the Queensland police as the new pursuit vehicle, other states have chosen the 530d and 300 SRT (so the Stinger is in good company).
Last edited by YEH; 07-08-2018 at 04:18 PM.
08-20-2018, 02:09 AM
#323
Team Owner
The RLX would kill for numbers like these...
Almost two years ago at the Detroit Auto Show we proclaimed that the then all-new Kia Stinger was the undisputed star of the show. It upstaged literally everything the Detroit automakers brought that year, which admittedly wasn’t particularly exciting. But who would have ever thought that Kia was capable and willing to produce something like the Stinger and Stinger GT fastback sedans? Needless to say, there was a lot of hype surrounding the new car.
Now that we have several months of sales numbers, we figured it was a good time to check to see whether the Stinger has taken a bite, so to speak, out of the competition. Speaking of which, what is the competition? There are several choices, but we went big, meaning the premium luxury brands.
Specifically, we compared Kia Stinger sales results to those of the following: BMW 4 Series Gran Coupe, Audi A4/S4 and A5/S5 Sportback, Jaguar XE, and the Mercedes-Benz C-Class. It should be noted that neither Audi nor Mercedes-Benz provided specific sales breakdowns for the aforementioned models. Instead, they were clumped together with the entire A5 and C-Class range, respectively.
For example, we don’t have a precise sales breakdown for what we see as the Stinger’s most direct C-Class variant rival, the AMG C43. So far this year, specifically through July (via carsalesbase.com), a total of 10,144 Kia Stingers have been sold in the US. To compare, BMW sold a total of 18,331 4 Series Gran Coupes in that same period. Audi sold 21,575 A4s and S4s, 15,973 A5s and S5s, while Jaguar sold 2,663 XEs, and Mercedes shifted 33,500 C-Class models.
Unfortunately, because a direct Stinger vs say, Audi S5 Sportback sales comparison isn’t available, it’s hard to get a fully accurate picture of how – or if – the Kia has been the segment disruptor some tipped it to become. However, based on the fact over 10,000 Stingers have been sold so far this year (its first full model year) and less than 3,000 Jaguar XEs have left dealership lots, is already a very good sign. It would also be unfair to compare the Kia Stinger to, for example, the Honda Accord, which has sold, on average, over 20,000 units a month so far this year.
The two sedans cater to different types of buyers. But considering the Stinger and Stinger GT are performance-focused, have an unusual fastback body style, and, above all, wear a Kia badge, the Korean carmaker has a lot to be proud of. It wasn’t too long ago Kia was seen as purely a bargain brand for non-car lovers. Kiss those days goodbye.
We also reached out to James Bell, Kia America's Director of Corporate Communications, regarding Stinger sales and were told that "Expectations are high and we are doing a great job of collecting all-new customers for the Kia brand, especially off BMW, Audi, Lexus, and trade-ins. As you know, the sedan market is not nearly as hot as the CUV/SUV (market) but the Stinger is providing the 'vehicle of change' for the brand just as intended."
Last November, Kia told us it had received around 50,000 queries for the Stinger, and by February that figured increased to 100,000. Unfortunately, we don't have any way of knowing precisely how many of those queries resulted in sales. Nevertheless, the Kia Stinger is more than holding its own in the market and remains the go-to choice for those seeking a true sports sedan you can get for around $50,000 all-in.
https://carbuzz.com/news/are-kia-sti...re-the-numbers
Are Kia Stinger Sales Living Up To The Hype? Here Are The Numbers
Almost two years ago at the Detroit Auto Show we proclaimed that the then all-new Kia Stinger was the undisputed star of the show. It upstaged literally everything the Detroit automakers brought that year, which admittedly wasn’t particularly exciting. But who would have ever thought that Kia was capable and willing to produce something like the Stinger and Stinger GT fastback sedans? Needless to say, there was a lot of hype surrounding the new car.
Now that we have several months of sales numbers, we figured it was a good time to check to see whether the Stinger has taken a bite, so to speak, out of the competition. Speaking of which, what is the competition? There are several choices, but we went big, meaning the premium luxury brands.
Specifically, we compared Kia Stinger sales results to those of the following: BMW 4 Series Gran Coupe, Audi A4/S4 and A5/S5 Sportback, Jaguar XE, and the Mercedes-Benz C-Class. It should be noted that neither Audi nor Mercedes-Benz provided specific sales breakdowns for the aforementioned models. Instead, they were clumped together with the entire A5 and C-Class range, respectively.
For example, we don’t have a precise sales breakdown for what we see as the Stinger’s most direct C-Class variant rival, the AMG C43. So far this year, specifically through July (via carsalesbase.com), a total of 10,144 Kia Stingers have been sold in the US. To compare, BMW sold a total of 18,331 4 Series Gran Coupes in that same period. Audi sold 21,575 A4s and S4s, 15,973 A5s and S5s, while Jaguar sold 2,663 XEs, and Mercedes shifted 33,500 C-Class models.
Unfortunately, because a direct Stinger vs say, Audi S5 Sportback sales comparison isn’t available, it’s hard to get a fully accurate picture of how – or if – the Kia has been the segment disruptor some tipped it to become. However, based on the fact over 10,000 Stingers have been sold so far this year (its first full model year) and less than 3,000 Jaguar XEs have left dealership lots, is already a very good sign. It would also be unfair to compare the Kia Stinger to, for example, the Honda Accord, which has sold, on average, over 20,000 units a month so far this year.
The two sedans cater to different types of buyers. But considering the Stinger and Stinger GT are performance-focused, have an unusual fastback body style, and, above all, wear a Kia badge, the Korean carmaker has a lot to be proud of. It wasn’t too long ago Kia was seen as purely a bargain brand for non-car lovers. Kiss those days goodbye.
We also reached out to James Bell, Kia America's Director of Corporate Communications, regarding Stinger sales and were told that "Expectations are high and we are doing a great job of collecting all-new customers for the Kia brand, especially off BMW, Audi, Lexus, and trade-ins. As you know, the sedan market is not nearly as hot as the CUV/SUV (market) but the Stinger is providing the 'vehicle of change' for the brand just as intended."Last November, Kia told us it had received around 50,000 queries for the Stinger, and by February that figured increased to 100,000. Unfortunately, we don't have any way of knowing precisely how many of those queries resulted in sales. Nevertheless, the Kia Stinger is more than holding its own in the market and remains the go-to choice for those seeking a true sports sedan you can get for around $50,000 all-in.
Last edited by TacoBello; 08-20-2018 at 02:11 AM.
08-20-2018, 02:14 AM
#324
Team Owner
So Kia came in and pinched 10,000 sales from a segment in the market they weren't even in a year ago. I'd say that's a pretty good achievement, especially with how competitive that market is. I'm curious to see how sales go over the next few years.
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09-02-2018, 11:52 AM
#325
Lola
The 2.0T finally arrives in Canada, and it starts at $39999 which IMO is insanely overpriced. The much more loaded 3.3T model costs only 5K more, I don't see anyone considering 2.0T now, myself included.
09-04-2018, 10:23 AM
#326
Moderator
$40k USD gets you a 'loaded' 2.0T Premium, only available in 4 colors.
The only option, outside of accessories is the driver assist package.
The only option, outside of accessories is the driver assist package.
09-04-2018, 01:04 PM
#327
Team Owner
Interestingly, people who are willing to spend more for the higher trim model 3.3T are more likely to get more options and equipment.
Same thing for BMW... you rarely see a fully loaded 330/530, but you will see more loaded 340 and 540/550.
09-04-2018, 02:12 PM
#328
Lola
I think most of the people who want the 2.0T will not get it loaded. It defeats the purpose of buying the entry trim (unless some hardcore guy really wants the weight saving).
Interestingly, people who are willing to spend more for the higher trim model 3.3T are more likely to get more options and equipment.
Same thing for BMW... you rarely see a fully loaded 330/530, but you will see more loaded 340 and 540/550.
Interestingly, people who are willing to spend more for the higher trim model 3.3T are more likely to get more options and equipment.
Same thing for BMW... you rarely see a fully loaded 330/530, but you will see more loaded 340 and 540/550.
09-04-2018, 05:12 PM
#329
Team Owner
It is worse in the US by comparison. Stinger base starts at $32,000 USD = $42,000 CAD with today's rate. well in directly, you can thank Trump for that.
So your $39,999 CAD starting is not bad.
So your $39,999 CAD starting is not bad.
09-05-2018, 01:41 PM
#330
^ Also think the base engine model sales will improve when the 2.0T gets replaced by the new 2.5T, and even better if paired w/ a 48V mild hybrid system.
10-05-2018, 12:00 PM
#331
Moderator
https://www.motor1.com/news/268634/s...ger-undecided/
The reveal was made by the company’s head of design, Gregory Guilliame, this week during an interview with Australian media at the Paris Motor Show. He noted the Stinger has all the right ingredients to serve as a brand ambassador for Kia, but it’s too early to decide whether it will stick around in the long run:
Guilliame is well aware of the crossover craze and that people aren’t into sedans and hatchbacks like they used to be, which is why he’s being cautious regarding the Stinger’s fate. He told Which Car that Kia’s marketing department catering Europe has been investing heavily in promoting the car even though the model’s chances of success are relatively small: “It’s very, very difficult in Europe with a car like that.”
At the end of the day, the Stinger needs to be more than just a pretty car offering a well-rounded package in the eyes of reviewers – it needs to sell. Guilliame mentioned it’s more of a niche model for Europeans, but he believes there are some parts of the world where it could generate decent sales. It’s too early in the model’s life to decide whether it’s living up to Kia’s expectations, hence why a decision concerning a second generation hasn’t been made yet.
It's good at bolstering the brand's image, but it needs to be a commercial success to survive.
Previewed by the GT Concept in 2011, the Stinger debuted in production form last year and has been enjoying positive reviews from media outlets ever since then. Even though it’s turning out to be an efficient tool to improve Kia’s brand image, it doesn’t necessarily mean the grand tourer will be renewed for a second generation. Business is business, and the Stinger will only survive on the market beyond the current model’s life cycle if enough people will buy it.The reveal was made by the company’s head of design, Gregory Guilliame, this week during an interview with Australian media at the Paris Motor Show. He noted the Stinger has all the right ingredients to serve as a brand ambassador for Kia, but it’s too early to decide whether it will stick around in the long run:
“We still have to be economically successful with that vehicle. It’s very, very difficult in Europe with a car like that.”
At the end of the day, the Stinger needs to be more than just a pretty car offering a well-rounded package in the eyes of reviewers – it needs to sell. Guilliame mentioned it’s more of a niche model for Europeans, but he believes there are some parts of the world where it could generate decent sales. It’s too early in the model’s life to decide whether it’s living up to Kia’s expectations, hence why a decision concerning a second generation hasn’t been made yet.
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10-29-2018, 11:52 PM
#333
Punk Rocker
I'm sorry but the Stinger GT2 is still among my favorite semi-realistic dream cars out there. There just isn't a whole lot not to like with this car; its gorgeous inside and out, its spacious/practical, its high performance (in terms of GT cars), its loaded with tech features, its got a sweet heart of an engine, its great value for money (compared to its competitors), and most importantly it takes chances in a way that companies like Honda and Toyota would never do. I just love this car so much....
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fsttyms1 (11-01-2018)
10-30-2018, 09:43 AM
#334
Moderator
Nothing to apologize for in my book.
The Stinger was high on my list prior to the C, but they were still too new to work out a deal on a purchase (lease deals were much better, but still not great on the 2.0Toy).
The Stinger was high on my list prior to the C, but they were still too new to work out a deal on a purchase (lease deals were much better, but still not great on the 2.0Toy).
10-30-2018, 10:56 AM
#335
Ex-OEM King
Why are you sorry? I don't think anyone disagrees with you.
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00TL-P3.2 (10-30-2018)
10-30-2018, 11:25 AM
#336
10-30-2018, 11:44 AM
#337
Ex-OEM King
10-30-2018, 03:26 PM
#339
Azine Jabroni
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fsttyms1 (11-01-2018)
10-31-2018, 05:40 PM
#340
Banned
The kid is going stupid again, lol.
Mental illness or hard drugs related probably.
Not impressive at all indeed. Anyway, Kia Canada wants $995/mo for a base Sting GT 36mo, which spells sales f-a-i-l-u-r-e. The G70 is definitely nicer.
Mental illness or hard drugs related probably.
The interior is pretty basic. I wasn't impressed when I sat in it at the auto show.
10-31-2018, 05:42 PM
#341
Team Owner
I see more stingers than new TLXs these days.
10-31-2018, 05:48 PM
#342
Moderator
FYI - you are under no obligation to behave in an intolerable way every time you post here.
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10-31-2018, 06:07 PM
#344
Senior Moderator
10-31-2018, 06:11 PM
#345
Team Owner
He is 16 trapped in a 51 years old body.
10-31-2018, 06:20 PM
#346
Moderator
In the meantime, what I see is you continually resorting to puerile name-calling at every opportunity. I suspect, but can't promise, that every time I see you acting like a petulant child I will point it out. Partially, in a vain hope that you might actually change your behavior and partially because it's so very easy to do.
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10-31-2018, 06:47 PM
#347
Senior Moderator
10-31-2018, 09:32 PM
#348
Senior Moderator
This is an official warning for being confrontational.
Read the rules again to see what happens the next time you violate them.
11-02-2018, 07:05 PM
#350
Azine Jabroni
I really don't care what you think of my moderating. You are more than welcome to petition to have me removed; it is, after all, a voluntary position with no remuneration.
In the meantime, what I see is you continually resorting to puerile name-calling at every opportunity. I suspect, but can't promise, that every time I see you acting like a petulant child I will point it out. Partially, in a vain hope that you might actually change your behavior and partially because it's so very easy to do.
In the meantime, what I see is you continually resorting to puerile name-calling at every opportunity. I suspect, but can't promise, that every time I see you acting like a petulant child I will point it out. Partially, in a vain hope that you might actually change your behavior and partially because it's so very easy to do.
11-02-2018, 08:17 PM
#351
Senior Moderator
I mean, the ribbing you're getting and the flak is part in parcel to some of your more...unique...opinions -- which you're entitled to even if nearly all of us do not agree. That being said, as anything is with this community, as time passes, so will the grudges if you play along for awhile, right? We're all car fans at the end of the day and so, unless this is R&P -- where the gloves really are off -- just roll with it. It's just cars!
11-03-2018, 12:37 AM
#352
Senior Moderator
What I do know is that what I’ve missed doesn’t override what I’ve witnessed from you. I’ve also been clued in on your history too. The rules stipulate a month for second time offenders. How many bans are you up to now?
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oo7spy (11-04-2018)
11-06-2018, 04:28 PM
#354
Moderator
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...wiring-safety/
The hot new 2018 Kia Stinger may not be setting sales charts alight, but the sporty five-door has been garnering widespread accolades from the motoring press and enthusiasts alike. Unfortunately, the Stinger is apparently at risk for catching fire in an entirely different way, prompting the Korean automaker to issue the model's first recall.
According to the automaker's NHTSA filing, the upscale sports hatchback's wiring harnesses in the engine and passenger compartments can make contact with burrs on the left front fender panel, potentially damaging the wiring insulation and triggering a fire.
According to documents related to the recall filing, Kia is aware of at least one fire attributed to the condition. No injuries have been reported.
16,011 examples are affected by the recall campaign.
Kia will begin notifying affected owners on Dec. 20, 2018. Models under the recall will have their wiring harnesses inspected. Damaged harnesses will be repaired and a new cover will be installed. If no damage is discovered, a cover will still be installed. All inspections and repairs will be carried out free of charge to owners.
According to the automaker's NHTSA filing, the upscale sports hatchback's wiring harnesses in the engine and passenger compartments can make contact with burrs on the left front fender panel, potentially damaging the wiring insulation and triggering a fire.
According to documents related to the recall filing, Kia is aware of at least one fire attributed to the condition. No injuries have been reported.
16,011 examples are affected by the recall campaign.
Kia will begin notifying affected owners on Dec. 20, 2018. Models under the recall will have their wiring harnesses inspected. Damaged harnesses will be repaired and a new cover will be installed. If no damage is discovered, a cover will still be installed. All inspections and repairs will be carried out free of charge to owners.
11-06-2018, 04:32 PM
#355
Senior Moderator
Not the news we were expecting
11-06-2018, 04:33 PM
#356
Team Owner
They've sold 16000+ super expensive KIAs in the time Acura moved 2500 RLXs.
Acura better STFU when it comes to talking about the RLX. This first hand shows why the RLX ain't selling. It has little to do with the badge and more to do with the lack luster product.
Don't get me wrong- the SH tech is awesome. But it's only on a small fraction of RLXs, while the majority are FWD bore mobiles.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY ON SOMETHING TAME AND GENERIC, THAT'S SEEMINGLY OVERPRICED TO BEGIN WITH
It's not rocket science!!!
Acura better STFU when it comes to talking about the RLX. This first hand shows why the RLX ain't selling. It has little to do with the badge and more to do with the lack luster product.
Don't get me wrong- the SH tech is awesome. But it's only on a small fraction of RLXs, while the majority are FWD bore mobiles.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY ON SOMETHING TAME AND GENERIC, THAT'S SEEMINGLY OVERPRICED TO BEGIN WITH
It's not rocket science!!!
11-06-2018, 04:49 PM
#357
Team Owner
meh.. wait until you put upgraded tires on it.... you will eat your words.
11-06-2018, 04:54 PM
#358
Senior Moderator
11-06-2018, 05:08 PM
#359
Senior Moderator
They've sold 16000+ super expensive KIAs in the time Acura moved 2500 RLXs.
Acura better STFU when it comes to talking about the RLX. This first hand shows why the RLX ain't selling. It has little to do with the badge and more to do with the lack luster product.
Don't get me wrong- the SH tech is awesome. But it's only on a small fraction of RLXs, while the majority are FWD bore mobiles.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY ON SOMETHING TAME AND GENERIC, THAT'S SEEMINGLY OVERPRICED TO BEGIN WITH
It's not rocket science!!!
Acura better STFU when it comes to talking about the RLX. This first hand shows why the RLX ain't selling. It has little to do with the badge and more to do with the lack luster product.
Don't get me wrong- the SH tech is awesome. But it's only on a small fraction of RLXs, while the majority are FWD bore mobiles.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY ON SOMETHING TAME AND GENERIC, THAT'S SEEMINGLY OVERPRICED TO BEGIN WITH
It's not rocket science!!!
11-06-2018, 05:47 PM
#360
Team Owner
Why does the almighty RLX need ZF? It needs no transmission, the one in there is just for show only. Placebo if you will.
It will put Rocket Science to Shame. The new phrase is RLX Science.
It will put Rocket Science to Shame. The new phrase is RLX Science.