Kia: K5/Optima News
07-24-2011, 05:34 PM
#321
Back From The dead
Ok so the services mandated by Acura are free for the 1st 40,000 miles? No, they're not. If you are basing your "established fact" on an Internet post, I will as well. Please refer to my last post, as that is now an established fact.
07-24-2011, 07:05 PM
#322
I drive a Subata.
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SSFTSX needs to be banned from quoting magazine articles, that's the only way to shut him up.
07-24-2011, 07:21 PM
#323
Oh btw I'm test driving a turbo optima this coming friday...it looks amazing and has more features than I've ever heard of
07-24-2011, 07:28 PM
#324
I shoot people
I tried reading what he wrote, my head started to hurt and now I'm going back to studying. I thought I would read something good on AZ tonight, but he spoiled it.
Oh btw I'm test driving a turbo optima this coming friday...it looks amazing and has more features than I've ever heard of
Oh btw I'm test driving a turbo optima this coming friday...it looks amazing and has more features than I've ever heard of
07-24-2011, 07:39 PM
#325
Back From The dead
I tried reading what he wrote, my head started to hurt and now I'm going back to studying. I thought I would read something good on AZ tonight, but he spoiled it.
Oh btw I'm test driving a turbo optima this coming friday...it looks amazing and has more features than I've ever heard of
Oh btw I'm test driving a turbo optima this coming friday...it looks amazing and has more features than I've ever heard of
07-24-2011, 08:49 PM
#326
08 MDX, 04 TL (sold)
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I was very impressed when I test drove the SX turbo. Very little turbo lag and pretty good power.
What confuses me is that I also test drove a Hyundai Sonata turbo and there was a lot more turbo lag. I thought these 2 cars shared a common engine.
What confuses me is that I also test drove a Hyundai Sonata turbo and there was a lot more turbo lag. I thought these 2 cars shared a common engine.
07-24-2011, 11:45 PM
#328
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Dude is such a tool.
07-25-2011, 08:06 AM
#329
Back From The dead
SX video. See the lack of body roll, but I'm sure they are wearing the tires too quickly here...
http://youtu.be/CtHKEFuEICQ
http://youtu.be/CtHKEFuEICQ
07-25-2011, 08:38 AM
#330
Back From The dead
They are identical engines, can't understand why?
07-25-2011, 10:47 AM
#331
08 MDX, 04 TL (sold)
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SX video. See the lack of body roll, but I'm sure they are wearing the tires too quickly here...
http://youtu.be/CtHKEFuEICQ
http://youtu.be/CtHKEFuEICQ
I test drove them back to back and it definitely felt very different with a lot more lag on the Sonata. Perhaps they are tuned differently?
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07-25-2011, 11:15 AM
#332
I drive a Subata.
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^ That could be it, but the tuning won't make that much differences in turbo lag.
How's the numbers on those cars. Is it completely identical? Is Sonata heavier than Optima?
How's the numbers on those cars. Is it completely identical? Is Sonata heavier than Optima?
07-25-2011, 12:55 PM
#333
^ Other way around.
The Optima is heavier than the Sonata by over 100 lbs due to it having more equipment (like heated rear seats).
And I guess that this is an example of the typical build quality in the Crosstour since Inside Line wrote about it a no. of times.
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...-me-alone.html
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...mpress-me.html
The Optima is heavier than the Sonata by over 100 lbs due to it having more equipment (like heated rear seats).
And I guess that this is an example of the typical build quality in the Crosstour since Inside Line wrote about it a no. of times.
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...-me-alone.html
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...mpress-me.html
07-25-2011, 01:22 PM
#334
Evil Mazda Driver
You wrong. Misfit panel gaps provide superior interior experience by reducing monotony and driver fatigue. It Honda safety feature that others not think of yet. Aerodynamics.
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07-25-2011, 01:30 PM
#335
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Honda is quality brand. Leave low quality Kia and Hyundai in dust. Coolant flush interval matters most to wide range of buyer.
Tire wear on Honda only recommended by service advisor, not car. Honda smart enough to let service advisor tell customer. Service advisor always honest, never lie or upsell. www.uselesslink.visarenewal.com
Tire wear on Honda only recommended by service advisor, not car. Honda smart enough to let service advisor tell customer. Service advisor always honest, never lie or upsell. www.uselesslink.visarenewal.com
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07-25-2011, 10:43 PM
#336
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07-25-2011, 11:43 PM
#337
^ Other way around.
The Optima is heavier than the Sonata by over 100 lbs due to it having more equipment (like heated rear seats).
And I guess that this is an example of the typical build quality in the Crosstour since Inside Line wrote about it a no. of times.
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...-me-alone.html
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...mpress-me.html
The Optima is heavier than the Sonata by over 100 lbs due to it having more equipment (like heated rear seats).
And I guess that this is an example of the typical build quality in the Crosstour since Inside Line wrote about it a no. of times.
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...-me-alone.html
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...mpress-me.html
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...ai-sonata-gls/
I took our 2011 Hyundai Sonata on a quick weekend get away, and I was both impressed and disappointing at the same time. Like Chris Walton, I was impressed with the range of the Sonata. I was able to drive 464.8 miles on a single tank, not a record for our Sonata but not bad either.
The disappointment came when I calculated the mpg for that tank of gas. It came out to be 29.6 mpg, which is a little short of the estimated 35 mpg highway the Sonata claims to get. I know that driving style and conditions can play a big part in fuel consumption but this trip happened to be about as perfect driving condition as one is going to get in the real world. The trip was virtually 100% highway driving, little to no wind, mostly straight, and the cruise control on at 70 mph the entire time.
Don't get me wrong 29.6 mpg is still quite good, it's just a little disappointing when the estimate is 35 mpg.
I took our 2011 Hyundai Sonata on a quick weekend get away, and I was both impressed and disappointing at the same time. Like Chris Walton, I was impressed with the range of the Sonata. I was able to drive 464.8 miles on a single tank, not a record for our Sonata but not bad either.
The disappointment came when I calculated the mpg for that tank of gas. It came out to be 29.6 mpg, which is a little short of the estimated 35 mpg highway the Sonata claims to get. I know that driving style and conditions can play a big part in fuel consumption but this trip happened to be about as perfect driving condition as one is going to get in the real world. The trip was virtually 100% highway driving, little to no wind, mostly straight, and the cruise control on at 70 mph the entire time.
Don't get me wrong 29.6 mpg is still quite good, it's just a little disappointing when the estimate is 35 mpg.
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...a-gls/2010/07/
I took our Accord Crosstour home last night after spending the past couple weeks driving our Hyundai Sonata. It was an interesting switch from a steering feel perspective. The more I drove the Sonata the more I got annoyed at its over-boosted and numb steering. It's perhaps the aspect I dislike most about the car, actually.
The Crosstour's rack is hardly a paradigm of precision, but in contrast it does feel more natural than the Sonata's, with less boost at low speeds and a bit more feel as to what the front wheels are actually doing. Though it might seem like a petty issue, I'd argue that steering feel does indeed make a difference from an ownership standpoint, even with cars as workaday as the Sonata and the Crosstour.
Brent Romans, Senior Automotive Editor
I took our Accord Crosstour home last night after spending the past couple weeks driving our Hyundai Sonata. It was an interesting switch from a steering feel perspective. The more I drove the Sonata the more I got annoyed at its over-boosted and numb steering. It's perhaps the aspect I dislike most about the car, actually.
The Crosstour's rack is hardly a paradigm of precision, but in contrast it does feel more natural than the Sonata's, with less boost at low speeds and a bit more feel as to what the front wheels are actually doing. Though it might seem like a petty issue, I'd argue that steering feel does indeed make a difference from an ownership standpoint, even with cars as workaday as the Sonata and the Crosstour.
Brent Romans, Senior Automotive Editor
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...a-gls-hot.html
In any case, cars parked in the sun get hot. But for the first time in a long time dealing with new cars, the air conditioning was not up to the task of keeping me happy / alive
In any case, cars parked in the sun get hot. But for the first time in a long time dealing with new cars, the air conditioning was not up to the task of keeping me happy / alive
07-26-2011, 01:25 AM
#338
I drive a Subata.
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What a fucking ignorant.
07-26-2011, 01:32 AM
#339
Burning Brakes
Obviously with a Huge increase in sales Hyundai is bound to have some problems. This reminds me of 2002 when the Altima sedan was redesigned. It was the new kid on the block with fresh styling, more power, and "sporty" handling. It of course had MUCH bigger quality problems.
The formula changes every few years. The "fluidic" design theme of Hyundai looks like its going to get old alot faster than Kia's styling IMO.
The formula changes every few years. The "fluidic" design theme of Hyundai looks like its going to get old alot faster than Kia's styling IMO.
07-26-2011, 01:34 AM
#340
Burning Brakes
07-26-2011, 01:43 AM
#341
I love how SSFTSX spews misinformation about Hyundai, Kia and any of Honda's competitors. It usually does the opposite and only garners interest in and support for said brands.
07-26-2011, 01:57 AM
#342
I drive a Subata.
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07-26-2011, 03:52 AM
#343
9th Gear
The US Kia badge sucks. I ordered the Kia Korean badge and rehashed the entire car.
The wheels are certainly polarizing, but the car almost works with them. They pushed the whole futuristic thing on their commercials which for some makes the current wheels work.
I needed something else. They were a little too "young" for me so I wanted to dress it up a little.
The wheels are certainly polarizing, but the car almost works with them. They pushed the whole futuristic thing on their commercials which for some makes the current wheels work.
I needed something else. They were a little too "young" for me so I wanted to dress it up a little.
07-26-2011, 04:38 AM
#344
Suzuka Master
damn it... I just wrote up a whole post and i clicked on a bookmark... fml
lol i'm not typing it up again, but I'll give the shortened version.
The optima is great, but in my mind its not better than the accord yet. I've never driven one, maybe that would change after that. But I have driven an accord and its pretty good aside a few things, and from what i've read in the optima, I'd still take the Accord.
Here's a good metaphor I just thought of. The accord/Optima debate is like that of 3-series/G37 debate.
One offers more standard features and such while the other is the over-engineered car which is more fun to drive and will win in the eyes of the enthusiast.
(yes i think the honda will be better engineered than the kia)
Ohh and NJ SHAWD thats a nice looking optima
lol i'm not typing it up again, but I'll give the shortened version.
The optima is great, but in my mind its not better than the accord yet. I've never driven one, maybe that would change after that. But I have driven an accord and its pretty good aside a few things, and from what i've read in the optima, I'd still take the Accord.
Here's a good metaphor I just thought of. The accord/Optima debate is like that of 3-series/G37 debate.
One offers more standard features and such while the other is the over-engineered car which is more fun to drive and will win in the eyes of the enthusiast.
(yes i think the honda will be better engineered than the kia)
Ohh and NJ SHAWD thats a nice looking optima
Last edited by speedemon90; 07-26-2011 at 04:49 AM.
07-26-2011, 04:57 AM
#346
Suzuka Master
dang it, cant edit my post.
But anyway, I think either car will keep the customer happy.
But anyway, I think either car will keep the customer happy.
07-26-2011, 06:25 AM
#347
Back From The dead
No manufacturer claim 100% fit/finish. It is the durability. Is this thing falling apart. the answer is no. On the other hand on Hyundai/Kia products you have to spend money to just to keep them running. (Tire life, coolant flush, more Oil changes etc, Fuel economy not up to EPA standards, no heat insulation)
Sonata is basically a tin can. Not enough heat insulation. and not powerful AC. that just window roll down is better.
Sonata is basically a tin can. Not enough heat insulation. and not powerful AC. that just window roll down is better.
Thanks tampa
damn it... I just wrote up a whole post and i clicked on a bookmark... fml
lol i'm not typing it up again, but I'll give the shortened version.
The optima is great, but in my mind its not better than the accord yet. I've never driven one, maybe that would change after that. But I have driven an accord and its pretty good aside a few things, and from what i've read in the optima, I'd still take the Accord.
Here's a good metaphor I just thought of. The accord/Optima debate is like that of 3-series/G37 debate.
One offers more standard features and such while the other is the over-engineered car which is more fun to drive and will win in the eyes of the enthusiast.
(yes i think the honda will be better engineered than the kia)
Ohh and NJ SHAWD thats a nice looking optima
lol i'm not typing it up again, but I'll give the shortened version.
The optima is great, but in my mind its not better than the accord yet. I've never driven one, maybe that would change after that. But I have driven an accord and its pretty good aside a few things, and from what i've read in the optima, I'd still take the Accord.
Here's a good metaphor I just thought of. The accord/Optima debate is like that of 3-series/G37 debate.
One offers more standard features and such while the other is the over-engineered car which is more fun to drive and will win in the eyes of the enthusiast.
(yes i think the honda will be better engineered than the kia)
Ohh and NJ SHAWD thats a nice looking optima
Hey Forest...see what I did here? Honda owner, Kia owner...experienced both...
I'll put something else up with the badges soon.
07-26-2011, 08:19 AM
#348
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Mr. Gump, there are no more oil changes...no worse tire life (although I'm not sold on Nexen as the right standard for a tire yet), and my fuel economy trumps any honda in mpg per hp. Please just go away until you have real life experience with something.
Thanks Speed, but in my opinion, the Optima is much more fun and has more options than the Honda. Keep in mind I was an owner of 8 Honda's in the last 9 years so I am not 100% biased.
Hey Forest...see what I did here? Honda owner, Kia owner...experienced both...
I'll put something else up with the badges soon.
Stupid is as stupid does.
07-26-2011, 10:07 AM
#349
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Coolant flush intervals is the single most important factor in determining my purchase. Thanks SSFTSX for sharing what most of us were too ashamed to admit.
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07-26-2011, 11:06 AM
#350
I drive a Subata.
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07-26-2011, 11:36 AM
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^ Other way around.
The Optima is heavier than the Sonata by over 100 lbs due to it having more equipment (like heated rear seats).
And I guess that this is an example of the typical build quality in the Crosstour since Inside Line wrote about it a no. of times.
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...-me-alone.html
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...mpress-me.html
The Optima is heavier than the Sonata by over 100 lbs due to it having more equipment (like heated rear seats).
And I guess that this is an example of the typical build quality in the Crosstour since Inside Line wrote about it a no. of times.
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...-me-alone.html
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...mpress-me.html
Yea, this kind if typical build quality does appear in cars...
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...eat-issue.html
That's when the Optima had around 3000 miles on it.
07-26-2011, 12:29 PM
#352
My first Avatar....
Fanboys will be fanboys.
Honda = greater than all else damn it!
Honda = greater than all else damn it!
07-26-2011, 12:59 PM
#353
Evil Mazda Driver
Yea, this kind if typical build quality does appear in cars...
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...eat-issue.html
That's when the Optima had around 3000 miles on it.
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...eat-issue.html
That's when the Optima had around 3000 miles on it.
07-26-2011, 01:02 PM
#354
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Dont forget, Honda has superior side view mirror aerodynamic which lead to better ride quality and superior NVH to all other car. Kia cannot compare.
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07-26-2011, 01:10 PM
#356
Evil Mazda Driver
Wow, a quick peek at the Optima forum, it appears all the post are problems and solutions. Must be a seriously problematic new car.
http://www.kia-forums.com/4g-2011-optima/
http://www.kia-forums.com/4g-2011-optima/
Forums are not a good indicator of a vehicle's reliability or quality because all you see on there are the people who have issues. When was the last time you saw somebody get on a forum and say, "Hey...I just stopped in to say my [insert car here] is running fine and I've had no issues with it."
07-26-2011, 01:14 PM
#357
Whats up with RDX owners?
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07-26-2011, 01:23 PM
#358
I drive a Subata.
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What do most people get on forums for? To find solutions to their problems.
Forums are not a good indicator of a vehicle's reliability or quality because all you see on there are the people who have issues. When was the last time you saw somebody get on a forum and say, "Hey...I just stopped in to say my [insert car here] is running fine and I've had no issues with it."
Forums are not a good indicator of a vehicle's reliability or quality because all you see on there are the people who have issues. When was the last time you saw somebody get on a forum and say, "Hey...I just stopped in to say my [insert car here] is running fine and I've had no issues with it."
All cars have their known issues and problems. If it's easily fixable, I don't really care much for it. There's not a single car that doesn't have any issues.
Oh nevermind, Honda's engineering cannot be challenged. Forgot about that.
Honda = Instant Win
07-26-2011, 01:53 PM
#359
Back From The dead
There are 4 TSB's out on all of the Optima versions. One is to reprogram the key fob, one was for a steering pull issue that dates back to cars manufactured before March, One is for a rattle on the turbo on some cold starts, and one for an Ecu flash that addresses dash lights. Not too bad for a first year car in my opinion
07-26-2011, 02:10 PM
#360
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Kia is roach. Ban to automotive hell with BMW. Need to flush coolant too soon. Not viable alternative to supreme Accord.
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