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June Sales News **Detroit 3 sales plunge in June, Toyota surges (page 1)**

Detroit 3 sales plunge in June, Toyota surges - - Automotive News / July 3, 2006 - 2:33 pm / UPDATED: 7/3/06 3:45 PM - - Source: Autonews.com

Sales percentages reflected in this story will change throughout the day, as the Automotive News Data Center compiles its own sales data. Automotive News compares year-to-year sales based on sales for the entire month of June. Automakers routinely adjust their numbers based on the number of sales days.

DETROIT (Reuters) -- General Motors on Monday said its U.S. sales fell 26 percent in June, a sharp decline from last year's incentive-boosted results and in line with the company's cautionary forecast. Ford Motor Co. and DaimlerChrysler AG on Monday also reported lower June sales, citing high gasoline prices and slower sales of trucks and sport utility vehicles, signaling a weak start to the summer season.

The world's largest automaker sold 413,473 vehicles in the United States last month, compared with 558,092 vehicles a year earlier.

GM recorded a 41-percent jump last June after it began offering U.S. consumers the same discounts it gives its employees.

This year, GM has vowed to stick to a strategy of offering more limited discounts, such as zero-percent financing on many 2006 models through the July 4 weekend.

The automaker kept its third-quarter production forecast unchanged at 1.050 million units.

The weak numbers come amid intensifying pressure on GM's management. GM's board called an emergency meeting on Friday to discuss a letter from Tracinda Corp., the investment arm of billionaire investor Kirk Kerkorian, which urged the automaker to consider a three-way alliance with Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. and Renault SA.

Under the proposal, Nissan and Renault would buy a minority stake in the world's largest automaker.

If such a deal were to materialize, the combined company would be the largest force in the global automotive industry by a wide margin. On a combined basis, the three companies had 2005 sales of about 14.5 million units, nearly double the sales of Toyota Motor Corp., the No. 2 worldwide automaker and the most profitable.

Sales for Toyota Motor Corp., which has eclipsed DaimlerChrysler to become the third-largest player in the U.S. auto market, shot up 14 percent.

Nissan has struggled in the U.S market this year, and its June sales tumbled by 19 percent.

Nissan's difficulties have included a disruptive move in its headquarters to Nashville, Tenn., slower sales, production cuts and an embarrassing recall of some four-cylinder Altima and Sentra sedans due to evidence of engine fires.

Toyota has taken larger share of the contracting U.S. market as consumers have been drawn to its vehicle line-up, which trails only Honda Motor Co. in average fuel economy.

"Fuel efficient products continue to drive the market, even as consumers are likely becoming acclimated to today's fuel prices," said Toyota Motor Sales Executive Vice President Jim Lentz.

The Detroit-based automakers, meanwhile, have seen their market share erode as American consumers pull away from trucks and SUVs -- a segment they dominate.

Ford's June sales dropped 7.1 percent, while DaimlerChrysler's sales plunged 13 percent in June.

Both companies were hurt by declines in sales of trucks and SUVs, a category that has been hit hard by higher gas prices and more expensive financing because of higher interest rates.

Sales of Ford's Explorer, the company's best-selling SUV, dropped by 36 percent in June, while sales of its larger Expedition were down 46 percent. "There's no question that higher gas prices have hurt demand for these products," said Ford sales analyst George Pipas.

Analysts expect overall June sales to be between 16.0 to 16.5 million vehicles on an annualized basis, up slightly from May, but down from a year earlier. A final industry-wide sales total will be available later on Monday.

Auto industry executives have said there were signs that consumers were waiting for better deals in July, when both GM and Chrysler rolled out new discount offers. Ford's Pipas said that sales had slowed appreciably later in the month, typically the busiest sales period for auto dealers.

CHRYSLER INCENTIVES UP

The weak June results capped a rough quarter for Chrysler, the only Detroit-based automaker to post a profit in the first quarter. Chrysler, sitting on an unsold inventory of over two months of vehicles as of end May, has had to resort to the biggest discounts of any of the automakers this year.

DaimlerChrysler's first-half U.S. sales were down 5 percent, as a 17 percent gain for Mercedes-Benz was more than offset by the 3 percent drop for the bigger-volume Chrysler brand.

Over the weekend, Chrysler attempted to shore up its flagging sales with the most aggressive discount offer of the year, combining employee-level pricing with zero-percent financing and a 30-day money back guarantee.

Hyundai and Kia sales climbed a modest 2.6 percent to 71,951.

Volkswagen sales in the U.S. increased 7.3 percent to 28,430, while BMW sales increased 2.7 percent to 27,763.

Mazda sales rose 7.5 percent for the month to 23,727, while Mitsubishi sales fell 5.8 percent to 10,004.

Suzuki sales spiked 27.7 percent to 9,516 in June, while Subaru rose 3 percent to 18,476.


.S. car and truck sales for June and YTD

June June Pct. 6 mos. 6 mos. Pct.
2006 2005 chng. 2006 2005 chng.
BMW* 27,763 27,030 2.7% 157,414 145,029 8.5%
DaimlerChrysler** – – –% – – –%
Ford Motor Co.*** 267,862 288,356 –7.1% 1,542,823 1,609,059 –4.1%
General Motors**** 407,513 550,829 –26.0% 2,036,037 2,320,621 –12.3%
American Honda† – – –% – – –%
Hyundai Group†† 71,951 70,146 2.6% 380,613 367,523 3.6%
Isuzu – – –% – – –%
Mazda 23,727 22,063 7.5% 140,704 134,988 4.2%
Mitsubishi 10,004 10,621 –5.8% 58,361 65,753 –11.2%
Nissan††† – – –% – – –%
Porsche – – –% – – –%
Subaru 18,476 17,946 3.0% 96,026 93,303 2.9%
Suzuki 9,516 7,449 27.7% 56,959 42,014 35.6%
Toyota‡ – – –% – – –%
VW‡‡ 28,430 26,500 7.3% 158,490 136,115 16.4%
Other (estimate) 585 592 –1.2% 3,400 3,170 7.3%
TOTAL 865,827 1,021,532 –15.2% 4,630,827 4,917,575 –5.8%
Numbers in this table are calculated by Automotive News based on actual monthly sales reported by the manufacturers and may differ from numbers reported elsewhere.
Source: Automotive News Data Center
Note: Other includes estimates for Ferrari, Lamborghini and Lotus
*Includes Mini and Rolls-Royce
**Includes Mercedes-Benz
***Includes Aston Martin, Jaguar, Land Rover and Volvo
****Includes Saab
†Includes Honda Division and Acura
††Includes Hyundai and Kia
†††Includes Nissan Division and Infiniti
‡Includes Toyota Division and Lexus
‡‡Includes VW, Audi and Bentley
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June Midsize Luxury Sedan Sales

5 Series 5,199
E-CLASS 4,213
GS 2192
M45 2,012
RL 980

Nothing changes much, 5 dominates with the E not THAT far off, while the GS and M duke it out in an extremely tight battle, and the RL... well... aoifhasuoda

Speaking of the RL, I recently sat in a 2006 RL Tech package, let me just say I was wow'ed. Interior was gorgeous, packed with technology, and it was extremely comfortable too. It's just the exterior didn't do anything for me. I'm sure if the RL didn't look so much like an Accord it would do much better. It gets a from me though.

Audi sales aren't up yet, but I'm betting it'll be in the mid thousands.








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5 Series - 5,199
E Class - 4,213
GS - 2192
M - 2,012
A6 - 1748
RL - 980
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It's just the exterior didn't do anything for me. I'm sure if the RL didn't look so much like an Accord it would do much better.
That is exactly my problem with it. It does look 100X better with the OEM kit though.
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Go RL!!

I do wonder if sales will go up after (if) the rumored decontented version, or the new rumored 3.7L engine is available. I think it will, but it still won't overtake the M/GS, those are selling really well.
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The RL needs to look more like the A-Spec version. The standard wheels on it are just pathetic.
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@ RL sales figures

Cut your losses Honda.
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Yeah, the RL sales are going the way of the NSX sales
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That is exactly my problem with it. It does look 100X better with the OEM kit though.


Looks way WAY better with the A-SPEC kit. In fact was just looking at one on ebay.
They should make the A-SPEC thing standard.
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Originally Posted by Belzebutt
The RL needs to look more like the A-Spec version. The standard wheels on it are just pathetic.
Wheels and a body kit won't save the RL...it started with a poor exterior design. Acura should cut their losses and immediatley work on a next gen.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Wheels and a body kit won't save the RL...it started with a poor exterior design. Acura should cut their losses and immediatley work on a next gen.
100% Sunday at Jackson Outlets, I saw a silver RL parked next to a previous gen silver Camry LE and the RL was barely distinquishable from the Camry. I must have stared for several minutes at both thinking about the $25k price difference between two cars with similarly styled frontend and arguably similar build quality. (...and the Camry SE V6 looks better than the LE)

Acura better make a statement with the next gen Legend.
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people don't care about a-spec. they care about the presense and the badge.
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Originally Posted by F23A4

Acura better make a statement with the next gen Legend.
Knowing Honda/Acura though, their statement is going to be something like the current Accord.

Please, PLEASE continue with the TSX/TL direction...
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American Honda Vehicle Sales For June 2006
Month-to-Date Year-to-Date

June June DSR** June June DSR**
2006 2005 % Chg. 2006 2005 % Chg.
MODEL BREAKOUTS BY
DIVISION
Acura Division Total 15,107 18,744 -19.4% 96,301 104,945 -8.2%
RSX 1,882 2,034 -7.5% 10,193 10,933 -6.8%
CL* 0 0 0 1
TL* 5,541 6,246 -11.3% 36,297 38,388 -5.4%
TSX 3,162 3,085 2.5% 19,826 17,772 11.6%
RL 980 1,565 -37.4% 5,660 8,432 -32.9%
NSX 3 17 -82.4% 45 121 -62.8%
MDX* 3,539 5,797 -39.0% 24,280 29,298 -17.1%
Selling Days 26 26 152 152

* Honda and Acura vehicles are made of domestic and global sourced
parts.
** Daily Selling Rate
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So basically the lowly TSX was the only positive...I was really expecting the new Lexus IS to take a chunk out of TSX sales, but I have been wrong for the past few months.
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So basically the lowly TSX was the only positive...I was really expecting the new Lexus IS to take a chunk out of TSX sales, but I have been wrong for the past few months.
And the IS missed taking a chunk out of the 3 series also - its main target. Obviously the current IS buyers didn't affect the entry level much. I think the TSX has carved itself out a niche, like the 3 series, that Acura must be very pleased with. The TSX has had virtually no down month since its intro. For its sales to keep climbing in its 3+ years speaks volume on its appeal. Look for IS250 and TSX sales to be pretty similar from here on out.
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And the IS missed taking a chunk out of the 3 series also - its main target. Obviously the current IS buyers didn't affect the entry level much.
Apparently not. I think it has to do with Lexus' average buyer age; don't remember the exact number, but basically old people. But the IS model, on the other hand, has the distinction of having the youngest average buyer age in the luxury segment (again, I forget the number). But that was for the previous IS, which sold in relatively modest numbers.

This might spell trouble for Lexus in the long term, much as it did for Cadillac when their average buyer age was in the 60s, pretty much people who are on their last cars.
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Originally Posted by phile
Apparently not. I think it has to do with Lexus' average buyer age; don't remember the exact number, but basically old people. But the IS model, on the other hand, has the distinction of having the youngest average buyer age in the luxury segment (again, I forget the number). But that was for the previous IS, which sold in relatively modest numbers.

This might spell trouble for Lexus in the long term, much as it did for Cadillac when their average buyer age was in the 60s, pretty much people who are on their last cars.

Indeed, I also recall that the typical Lexus buyer is either the 60+ crowd and/or women (in general)......which coincides with the people I typically see driving Lexi.

And with the Cadillac analogy. Caddy just started dumping that image with the recent generation, and now offer a fairly sweet lineup that us 30-somethings would buy into. (I just scoped a black STS-V at a local mall. That thing is HOT!!! It absolutely owns the competition in the exterior styling dept. )
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Originally Posted by phile
Go RL!!

I do wonder if sales will go up after (if) the rumored decontented version, or the new rumored 3.7L engine is available. I think it will, but it still won't overtake the M/GS, those are selling really well.
Forget about the 3.7L. Nothing short of a 4.0L V8 can save the RL.
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The TSX niche is called the "not quite 3 Series."
The Infiniti G20 was in that kind of market position back in the day.

My dad says that back in the early 80s, an entry level BMW and an Oldsmobile Cutlass weren't too dissimilar in price. The import luxosport sedans have really rocked up the price charts.

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Originally Posted by M TYPE X
The TSX niche is called the "not quite 3 Series."
The Infiniti G20 was in that kind of market position back in the day.
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Nah, it is what it is, though I don't think the G20 ever had near the luxury or refinement the TSX has.
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Nah, it is what it is, though I don't think the G20 ever had near the luxury or refinement the TSX has.
Agreed. But if you did take a last-gen Primera and deck it out, it would have been similar to the TSX. A Euro Primera and Accord are both fairly similar in terms of function and market segment, although Hondas always seem more refined to me than Nissans thesedays.
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Agreed. But if you did take a last-gen Primera and deck it out, it would have been similar to the TSX. A Euro Primera and Accord are both fairly similar in terms of function and market segment, although Hondas always seem more refined to me than Nissans thesedays.
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Originally Posted by M TYPE X
Agreed. But if you did take a last-gen Primera and deck it out, it would have been similar to the TSX. A Euro Primera and Accord are both fairly similar in terms of function and market segment, although Hondas always seem more refined to me than Nissans thesedays.
Agreed. I've owned a G20 back in the day and have a TSX now. Both handled well but had weaker engines (comparatively speaking). The biggest difference likely would have been the interior where Acura has been shining and Infiniti has been lacking.

Both my TSX and my G were great for what they are- sporty sedans that make nice commuter cars for those of us who drive a good distance to work. I've gotten upper 20's in gas mileage on both of them.
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Originally Posted by keg1997
Agreed. I've owned a G20 back in the day
May I ask what year? It doesn't really matter, both the first-gen and second-gen G20 are substantially older than the 2004 TSX. But like I said, kindred in spirit. Today's sport sedans seem to be higher off the ground and more luxury than previous sport sedans, but still you can see a direct kind of lineage.
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May I ask what year? It doesn't really matter, both the first-gen and second-gen G20 are substantially older than the 2004 TSX. But like I said, kindred in spirit. Today's sport sedans seem to be higher off the ground and more luxury than previous sport sedans, but still you can see a direct kind of lineage.
Mine was a 93.5- the first year with dual air bags and some other cosemtic changes. It was a stick. I'll tell you though...everytime I drove a 2000 plus G (as a loaner), I realized how similar the cars still were.

Obviously there was a 10 year difference in the technology/design but, in my mind, both cars are were/are going after a similar kind of consumer with the same intentions (grow into our more $$$ models and introduce you to the luxury experience).
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Originally Posted by keg1997
Obviously there was a 10 year difference in the technology/design but, in my mind, both cars are were/are going after a similar kind of consumer with the same intentions (grow into our more $$$ models and introduce you to the luxury experience).
That's the plan with every luxury-brand car below a Benz S-Class or an Audi A8, whether it be a CTS, Zephyr, Integra, Vigor, G20, A3, TSX, A4, 318 or 325i, C230, S40, etc

But it also helps if they increase profits and sales at the get-go too.
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the G20?!?!?! that's just a sentra GXE w leather just like the 3 series is an over glorified econobox from bmw.
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Originally Posted by oemtsxparts
the G20?!?!?! that's just a sentra GXE w leather just like the 3 series is an over glorified econobox from bmw.
The G20 was not a dressed up Sentra. Rather it was/is an Infinitized version of the European Nissan Primera. As indicated in the posts above, it was the TSX (itself a Euro Accord) of its time.
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but little do you know that the primera was based on a sentra
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but little do you know that the primera was based on a sentra
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Originally Posted by oemtsxparts
but little do you know that the primera was based on a sentra
No it's not.

The G20 was a rebadged Primera, which is successor to the Bluebird with several other models.

I think I have it right but its confusing because there is a lot of overlap as the models evolved and sprout other models, but the history is something like this:

Bluebird was succeeded (through some stages) by 2 U.S. models: The Altima (from the Stanza, then Stanza Altima, then Altima) and Maxima (from the U.S. Datsun 810, which was also known as the Bluebird Maxima). Bluebird also sprung what is now known as Primera, which was what the G20 was.

The U.S. Sentra was known as the Sunny, which was replaced by the Nissan Pulsar and Bluebird "Sylphy" which is NOT sprung from the "Bluebird" platform above, but rather is based on the Pulsar, which was the successor to the Cherry. The Pulsar is succeeded by the Tiida, or what will be our Versa.

And this isn't speaking directly about platform sharing, but about successors and predecessors to the models. But besides predecessor of Primera being the "Bluebird", and the current use of NAME of "Bluebird Sylphy" for the Sentra, there is nothing to show the Primera is "based" off the Sentra.
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Originally Posted by oemtsxparts
the G20?!?!?! that's just a sentra GXE w leather just like the 3 series is an over glorified econobox from bmw.
if the 3 series is an econobox..than the entire Acura lineup is just luxury divison of powerwheels
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