International Engine of the Year Award **2010 Results (page 2)**
06-17-2005, 10:54 AM
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i feel like the Exotics were not on the big list.
i knew the 2.0 on the A4 would win that category. hands down.
i also feel like these categories are geared to certain cars. like the 1.8 - 2.0 range for VW, cmon now... the reason they picked this range was b/c VW corp flooded the market with so cars w/ 1.8 and 2.0l engines. theres no way they arent going to win this award.
oh, congrats to the M3 for winning a <4.0L range with a mere 3.2L engine
i knew the 2.0 on the A4 would win that category. hands down.
i also feel like these categories are geared to certain cars. like the 1.8 - 2.0 range for VW, cmon now... the reason they picked this range was b/c VW corp flooded the market with so cars w/ 1.8 and 2.0l engines. theres no way they arent going to win this award.
oh, congrats to the M3 for winning a <4.0L range with a mere 3.2L engine
06-17-2005, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
I would totally expect a slicked Z06 be faster than a caged S2000 on pretty much any track (and the more straights it has the better for the Z06 not that it would have issues on the twisies either).
So I dont think that's a fair comparison. I think a fair comparison would be an S2000 vs a Boxster (base car).
So I dont think that's a fair comparison. I think a fair comparison would be an S2000 vs a Boxster (base car).
06-17-2005, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximized
Yawn...The M5 engine is unproven. I would have thought that the LS7 would have at lease made best performance engine. The SBC/LS2 is a proven engine with a lot of technology built into it.
06-19-2005, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Python2121
how is the ls7 more proven then the m5 when no ones been able to even drive it yet?
06-24-2010, 10:31 AM
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International Engine of the Year award Winner
For the second year in a row, Volkswagen’s 1.4-liter TSI four-cylinder has been granted the prestigious International Engine of the Year award by an international panel of automotive journalists.
“I and the entire Volkswagen development team are extremely proud to receive this major international prize in the overall category for the second year in succession for the 1.4 twincharger,” said VW’s head of gasoline engine development, Dr. Rüdiger Szengel. “The combination of compressor and turbocharging provides an excellent basis for combining driving pleasure and low fuel consumption – all achieved with a relatively small engine capacity of 1.4 liters.’
The 1.4-liter, 148-horsepower turbo and supercharged motor powers a number of global market VWs ranging from the automaker’s small Polo to its shapely CC. It’s not currently available in North America, but an appearance in a U.S.-market Polo seems likely. The gasoline engine has been engineered for maximum efficiency and averages an impressive 33 mpg in mixed driving even in the boxy Sharan minivan
“I and the entire Volkswagen development team are extremely proud to receive this major international prize in the overall category for the second year in succession for the 1.4 twincharger,” said VW’s head of gasoline engine development, Dr. Rüdiger Szengel. “The combination of compressor and turbocharging provides an excellent basis for combining driving pleasure and low fuel consumption – all achieved with a relatively small engine capacity of 1.4 liters.’
The 1.4-liter, 148-horsepower turbo and supercharged motor powers a number of global market VWs ranging from the automaker’s small Polo to its shapely CC. It’s not currently available in North America, but an appearance in a U.S.-market Polo seems likely. The gasoline engine has been engineered for maximum efficiency and averages an impressive 33 mpg in mixed driving even in the boxy Sharan minivan
...and going back a few years the 2.0T won a few times as well.
Props to VW and their 4cyl turbo engines.
06-24-2010, 11:31 AM
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Nice. I love VW.
06-24-2010, 11:32 AM
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<!-- #BeginEditable "text" --> 2010 Categories & results
The International Engine of the Year Awards feature 11 Awards categories plus the coveted prize of International Engine of the Year.
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• Best New Engine of the Year
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• 1-litre to 1.4-litre
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• 1.8-litre to 2-litre
• 2-litre to 2.5-litre
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• 3-litre to 4-litre
• Above 4-litre
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• Above 4-litre
06-24-2010, 11:44 AM
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Nice... 
06-24-2010, 12:15 PM
#50
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Hummm. I wonder why the J series didnt make the cut
06-24-2010, 12:42 PM
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Whole lotta German engines on that list.
06-24-2010, 05:31 PM
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I couldn't tell you, but I always felt it was an over rated engine. Sure the potential was there and they're very torquey (almost feels like a V-8 in the ones hovering around 300 horsepower), but they don't have the refinement.
Great engine, but not one of the world's best.
Great engine, but not one of the world's best.
06-24-2010, 08:43 PM
#55
This ranking is best mostly on highest output and newest tech.
2.5 twin turbo Audi make a cut to it but 3.0T V6 which is actually more refined is not.
J series are not that advanced or very high output
but they are reliable, efficient and refined but these categories are not important in point.
Honda cars are heavier, wider, taller and has 5speed transmissions so performance of J series is not apparent.
2.5 twin turbo Audi make a cut to it but 3.0T V6 which is actually more refined is not.
J series are not that advanced or very high output
but they are reliable, efficient and refined but these categories are not important in point.
Honda cars are heavier, wider, taller and has 5speed transmissions so performance of J series is not apparent.
06-25-2010, 10:22 AM
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The sizzle in the Steak
^^ and nobody cares about Honda's old tired "tech".
06-25-2010, 11:55 AM
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This ranking is best mostly on highest output and newest tech.
2.5 twin turbo Audi make a cut to it but 3.0T V6 which is actually more refined is not.
J series are not that advanced or very high output
but they are reliable, efficient and refined but these categories are not important in point.
Honda cars are heavier, wider, taller and has 5speed transmissions so performance of J series is not apparent.
2.5 twin turbo Audi make a cut to it but 3.0T V6 which is actually more refined is not.
J series are not that advanced or very high output
but they are reliable, efficient and refined but these categories are not important in point.
Honda cars are heavier, wider, taller and has 5speed transmissions so performance of J series is not apparent.
06-25-2010, 12:17 PM
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06-25-2010, 12:29 PM
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I couldn't tell you, but I always felt it was an over rated engine. Sure the potential was there and they're very torquey (almost feels like a V-8 in the ones hovering around 300 horsepower), but they don't have the refinement.
Great engine, but not one of the world's best.
Great engine, but not one of the world's best.
Supposedly, in the next several years, the VQ engine is going to be phased out due to the new Renault-Nissan-Daimler co-op. Infiniti is supposed to be getting engines from Mercedes but Nissan is suppose to keep their engines and give some of their smaller engines to Mercedes so I don't know how the hell that is suppose to work.
06-25-2010, 12:38 PM
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06-25-2010, 01:30 PM
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Agree with you 100%. Absolutely great and one of the best engine in power, torque, etc but it does lack in refinement. They sound like jet engines, even at idle. I should know since I have two of them right now, though Infiniti does a little better job of containing the noise compared to Nissan!
Supposedly, in the next several years, the VQ engine is going to be phased out due to the new Renault-Nissan-Daimler co-op. Infiniti is supposed to be getting engines from Mercedes but Nissan is suppose to keep their engines and give some of their smaller engines to Mercedes so I don't know how the hell that is suppose to work.
Supposedly, in the next several years, the VQ engine is going to be phased out due to the new Renault-Nissan-Daimler co-op. Infiniti is supposed to be getting engines from Mercedes but Nissan is suppose to keep their engines and give some of their smaller engines to Mercedes so I don't know how the hell that is suppose to work.
But I have driven all of the previous sedans and the Q45.
Ironically I felt like the smoothest of any VQ was in the new Maxima, which is the one you have I think. I wonder about the Infinitis then.
06-25-2010, 01:48 PM
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06-25-2010, 02:22 PM
#63
I haven't driven any current generation Infinitis other than the G35 sedan, which has since been replaced under the hood obviously.
But I have driven all of the previous sedans and the Q45.
Ironically I felt like the smoothest of any VQ was in the new Maxima, which is the one you have I think. I wonder about the Infinitis then.
But I have driven all of the previous sedans and the Q45.
Ironically I felt like the smoothest of any VQ was in the new Maxima, which is the one you have I think. I wonder about the Infinitis then.
06-26-2010, 12:41 AM
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If billions of dollars are needed for retooling and r&d to introduce new engines and transmissions and increase cost of warranty expenses around the world. remember most of third world where market is growing dont have too sophisticaed mechanic shops. this could potentially decrease the sales of Honda.
Honda Accord lacks DI engine for low rpm torque, 6speed auto or CVT but still has pretty similar fuel economy to much smaller
competitors like Camry, Sonata or Kazahi. thats even without 2011 upgrade of fuel economy. so Honda needs new transmission and engine in family sedan.
http://www.auto123.com/fr/suzuki/kiz...5&artid=119465
http://www.caradvice.com.au/36712/ho...bility-survey/
Honda’s new Accord (sold as the Accord Euro here in Australia) has been named as the UK’s most reliable car in this year’s Which? car survey.
The Honda sedan achieved a reliability score of 99 per cent, one of the highest scores ever achieved; closely followed by the new Honda Jazz in second place with a score of 98 per cent.
Honda cars hold four of the top ten places in the recent survey. As well as the second-generation Jazz reaching second place, the first-generation Jazz also scored 95.9 per cent achieving sixth place in the survey.
The Civic Hybrid achieved pole position in the hybrid vehicle sector with a score of 95.7 per cent, seventh place in the overall survey and edging ahead of its rival the Toyota Prius with 95 per cent.
A total of 77,000 drivers across the UK took part in the Which? survey to assess customer satisfaction. The survey based its results on breakdowns, faults and general niggles over a 12 month period.
Honda has also performed well in the recent JD Power survey, appearing in the top three car manufacturers for four years running
Honda’s new Accord (sold as the Accord Euro here in Australia) has been named as the UK’s most reliable car in this year’s Which? car survey.
The Honda sedan achieved a reliability score of 99 per cent, one of the highest scores ever achieved; closely followed by the new Honda Jazz in second place with a score of 98 per cent.
Honda cars hold four of the top ten places in the recent survey. As well as the second-generation Jazz reaching second place, the first-generation Jazz also scored 95.9 per cent achieving sixth place in the survey.
The Civic Hybrid achieved pole position in the hybrid vehicle sector with a score of 95.7 per cent, seventh place in the overall survey and edging ahead of its rival the Toyota Prius with 95 per cent.
A total of 77,000 drivers across the UK took part in the Which? survey to assess customer satisfaction. The survey based its results on breakdowns, faults and general niggles over a 12 month period.
Honda has also performed well in the recent JD Power survey, appearing in the top three car manufacturers for four years running
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/n...kt-699649.html
J.D. Power-Report 2008
Japan rockt
Zum zweiten Mal in Folge steht Honda in der J.D. Power-Kundenzufriedenheitsstudie 2008 für den deutschen Markt auf dem ersten Rang
J.D. Power-Report 2008
Japan rockt
Zum zweiten Mal in Folge steht Honda in der J.D. Power-Kundenzufriedenheitsstudie 2008 für den deutschen Markt auf dem ersten Rang
Only Honda can achieve top position in every market of the world. this is secret of its success. not some scrap like Toyota or Government Motors.
06-26-2010, 11:31 AM
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THe VQ has some NVH issues but it is a solid performance engine. I hear they will be direct-injecting the new ones before Mercedes engines start appearing....
06-27-2010, 08:38 PM
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you have to look into
Input=Output
If billions of dollars are needed for retooling and r&d to introduce new engines and transmissions and increase cost of warranty expenses around the world. remember most of third world where market is growing dont have too sophisticaed mechanic shops. this could potentially decrease the sales of Honda.
Honda Accord lacks DI engine for low rpm torque, 6speed auto or CVT but still has pretty similar fuel economy to much smaller
competitors like Camry, Sonata or Kazahi. thats even without 2011 upgrade of fuel economy. so Honda needs new transmission and engine in family sedan.
http://www.auto123.com/fr/suzuki/kiz...5&artid=119465
Honda has to save its reputation of sky high image around the world of reliablity & lower maintianance so it cannot introduce newer technologies at speed of other manufacturers.
Only Honda can achieve top position in every market of the world. this is secret of its success. not some scrap like Toyota or Government Motors.
Input=Output
If billions of dollars are needed for retooling and r&d to introduce new engines and transmissions and increase cost of warranty expenses around the world. remember most of third world where market is growing dont have too sophisticaed mechanic shops. this could potentially decrease the sales of Honda.
Honda Accord lacks DI engine for low rpm torque, 6speed auto or CVT but still has pretty similar fuel economy to much smaller
competitors like Camry, Sonata or Kazahi. thats even without 2011 upgrade of fuel economy. so Honda needs new transmission and engine in family sedan.
http://www.auto123.com/fr/suzuki/kiz...5&artid=119465
Honda has to save its reputation of sky high image around the world of reliablity & lower maintianance so it cannot introduce newer technologies at speed of other manufacturers.
Only Honda can achieve top position in every market of the world. this is secret of its success. not some scrap like Toyota or Government Motors.
Ok....... Let them keep using the square wheel while every one else uses the round wheel.
06-28-2010, 11:52 PM
#68
i highly doubt honda want to becomea Diamler to cede control of its operations from outside or make alliances. and certainly not failed brand like Toyota/Lexus.
http://topnews.us/content/24536-daim...-billion-euros
Daimler sells a 9.1% stake to Abu Dhabi fund Aabar for 1.95 billion euros
Aabar's investment in buying the new shares issued by Daimler will enable the investment fund to become the single largest shareholder in the Daimler group, surpassing the 6.9 percent Kuwait. In a statement, Daimler chairman Dieter Zetsche welcomed Aabar as the new major shareholder, and said that the move was "supportive of Daimler's corporate strategy."
Hyundai is too small in revenue terms and what ever its sales increase its financial will always be dire due to depreciating currency.
There are only two large companies that are truly successful One is Honda and second is VW group which has 10 companies under its brand.
06-29-2010, 01:33 PM
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I consider Lexus as failed brand from investment perspective as it offering large number of vehicles and largest hybrid. it is not gaining any traction around the world. even in US it is barely equal to BMW/MB where MB/BMW dominate the rest of the world.
Hyundai is too small in revenue terms and what ever its sales increase its financial will always be dire due to depreciating currency.
There are only two large companies that are truly successful One is Honda and second is VW group which has 10 companies under its brand.
06-29-2010, 02:04 PM
#70
Is that why more people recognize Lexus over Acura? Because they are a failed brand? Please. Acura is a failed brand then too compared to MB/BMW by your standards. If those brands like lexus and Hyundai are so bad they wouldnt be making them, yet year after year they make new products, and increase desire unlike Acura.
06-29-2010, 06:03 PM
#73
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and you think because they offer less variety and sell less thats a good thing??
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06-29-2010, 06:53 PM
#74
The sizzle in the Steak
http://www.interbrand.com/best_global_brands.aspx
When it comes to brand image.....Acura does not even crack the top 100.
Lexus is the only Asian lux make to crack the top 100.
06-29-2010, 07:36 PM
#75
remember input=output.
Acura has less input. (less diversification ) but high priced output like MDX/ZDX/TL-Sh-AWD/RL. on same engines and similar transmission.
It is good that Acura didnot went to Europe as there is no decent diesel option yet. Lexus didnot see that and flopped badly. Infiniti is doing through Renault-Daimler diesel engines.
06-30-2010, 02:38 AM
#76
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The only problem for Honda/Acura is with it's large displacement diesel powerplants (supposingly for the US market) because Honda has to take a different approach to neutralize exhaust emissions than everybody else.
Honda is still having trouble passing the strict US emission regulations with it's exotic-metal catalyst approach, whereas everybody else which makes use of urea injection is able to pass the US emission with flying colors.
06-30-2010, 06:48 AM
#77
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Yea you keep telling yourself thatHonda has great diesel engines in Europe, just nothing large. Like said above, they just cant make their system pass our emissions standards here.
07-01-2010, 12:25 AM
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another Ford. (what happend to that Premier Autogroup of JLR/Volvo/Aston Martin/Mercury?).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_Automotive_Group
The Premier Automotive Group (PAG), was a group within the Ford Motor Company which was formed in 1999 to oversee the business operations of Ford's high-end automotive marques.[1]
The Premier Automotive Group (PAG), was a group within the Ford Motor Company which was formed in 1999 to oversee the business operations of Ford's high-end automotive marques.[1]
These are all failed business strategies. Honda is not going to follow them.
Honda has great diesel engines in Europe, just nothing large. Like said above, they just cant make their system pass our emissions standards here.
as i said TSX is combined getting 27 to 28mpg. if Euro Accord diesel comes with 35 to 36mpg combined with 5speed auto. than extra cost is not worth it.
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07-01-2010, 05:36 AM
#79
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Until they see VW and others suceeding in the diesel game and then have to do an about face.
07-01-2010, 09:00 AM
#80
while TSX diesel will weigh atleast 3650 lbs and will cost $35K minimum. so it needs 180bhp diesel whose fuel economy is not better by 25% than gasoline. so volume may not be there. unless Honda creates V6 diesel and introduce it across the line up.