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Old 09-23-2010, 09:25 PM
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smart move.
yeah, well if they want to sell cars, they need to sell them cheaper.
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Why dont they give us the FX37?
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^^^good question... I mean, why not just get rid of all the 3.5 liter V6, and move to 3.7, you'd think this would save money on production too.. Why have to V6's in their entire line?
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They already have it in Europe, why not stop production on the 3.5 and have them all equipped with the 3.7? Like is300eater said it would save on production costs no?

From Wiki: Europeans get the 320-hp FX37 as their entry level model instead of the FX35, which will be available in FX37 GT and FX37S versions. The FX37 GT comes standard with 20-inch alloy wheels, electric and heated/ventilated front seats, adaptive xenons, parking camera sensors, all-wheel-drive and a 7-speed automatic with paddle shifting. The FX37S gets 21 inch alloy wheels, Continuous Damping Control and sports seats.

Pricing for the 2009 Infiniti FX37 in Europe starts at €55,950 ($79,437 USD)
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Why have to V6's in their entire line?
They will have 3 V6's now with the G25 coming soon.

Also the EX35 only comes with 5AT not 7AT...why not just produce one
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Originally Posted by Shift_Acura
They will have 3 V6's now with the G25 coming soon.

Also the EX35 only comes with 5AT not 7AT...why not just produce one
come to think of it... why not a FX56 too?! and just drop the 5.0/3.5 all together... (they need the 2.5 for the market tho).
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Originally Posted by Shift_Acura
They will have 3 V6's now with the G25 coming soon.

Also the EX35 only comes with 5AT not 7AT...why not just produce one
EX35 comes with 7AT for 2011 now. All Infiniti models have the 7AT now in 2011.
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come to think of it... why not a FX56 too?! and just drop the 5.0/3.5 all together... (they need the 2.5 for the market tho).
The engines are not so much the problem but the overall vehicle (body style) I mean.

The FX suffers from the same thing as the G37. Between its 1G and 2G iterations, Infiniti really did nothing to change the overall body style and features of the vehicle. Both are relatively the same looking as their 2003 counterparts. Only difference is front and rear refreshing and bigger engines.

The FX has sold okay but it could be much better. They need to completely redo both vehicles with new/fresh/aggressive styles. At least my
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Originally Posted by Shift_Acura
They already have it in Europe, why not stop production on the 3.5 and have them all equipped with the 3.7? Like is300eater said it would save on production costs no?

From Wiki: Europeans get the 320-hp FX37 as their entry level model instead of the FX35, which will be available in FX37 GT and FX37S versions. The FX37 GT comes standard with 20-inch alloy wheels, electric and heated/ventilated front seats, adaptive xenons, parking camera sensors, all-wheel-drive and a 7-speed automatic with paddle shifting. The FX37S gets 21 inch alloy wheels, Continuous Damping Control and sports seats.

Pricing for the 2009 Infiniti FX37 in Europe starts at €55,950 ($79,437 USD)
I think it might be a tough(er) sell for the FX50 if the FX37 were offered and it only has 60 less hp than the FX50...yet the FX50 costs $14K more. You can pretty much get the same equipment in either models and the V6 is no slouch...it makes plenty of power for the avg consumer, with better mpg to boot. However if the FX37 were offered, they'd have to offer an FX56 just to make the price difference (and hp difference) justifiable...
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Originally Posted by smarty666
The engines are not so much the problem but the overall vehicle (body style) I mean.

The FX suffers from the same thing as the G37. Between its 1G and 2G iterations, Infiniti really did nothing to change the overall body style and features of the vehicle. Both are relatively the same looking as their 2003 counterparts. Only difference is front and rear refreshing and bigger engines.

The FX has sold okay but it could be much better. They need to completely redo both vehicles with new/fresh/aggressive styles. At least my
Here's my .
Compared to the 1G FX, the 2G version is as aggressive as one can get. It's more athletic looking with a lithe and toned up styling. The shape is similar looking only in term of it being a 4 door hatchback/wagon with long hood.
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Originally Posted by smarty666
The engines are not so much the problem but the overall vehicle (body style) I mean.

The FX suffers from the same thing as the G37. Between its 1G and 2G iterations, Infiniti really did nothing to change the overall body style and features of the vehicle. Both are relatively the same looking as their 2003 counterparts. Only difference is front and rear refreshing and bigger engines.

The FX has sold okay but it could be much better. They need to completely redo both vehicles with new/fresh/aggressive styles. At least my
I totally disagree... maybe because I own a 1st gen FX, but to me the designs are totally different... and I assure the guys over at the FX forums would agree. It's sold "okay"? I guess in the US, but I'm temperately living in Vancouver BC at the moment and they're EVERYWHERE... and to my understanding, they're getting rather popular in Europe, not to mention the Russians LOVE the FX.

oh, and to me, IMO... there's just something ain't right about a sedan (M56) being lighter having the 5.6 and a FX being like 1,000lbs more having a 5.0... so yes.. it IS about the engine


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Here's my .
Compared to the 1G FX, the 2G version is as aggressive as one can get. It's more athletic looking with a lithe and toned up styling. The shape is similar looking only in term of it being a 4 door hatchback/wagon with long hood.

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I totally disagree... maybe because I own a 1st gen FX, but to me the designs are totally different... and I assure the guys over at the FX forums would agree. It's sold "okay"? I guess in the US, but I'm temperately living in Vancouver BC at the moment and they're EVERYWHERE... and to my understanding, they're getting rather popular in Europe, not to mention the Russians LOVE the FX.

oh, and to me, IMO... there's just something ain't right about a sedan (M56) being lighter having the 5.6 and a FX being like 1,000lbs more having a 5.0... so yes.. it IS about the engine




Well I have a 1G FX as well and I can tell you the size (dimensions) and body style did not change between 1G and 2G. The only major changes have been in the interior and under the hood. If you think there has been major changes to bodystyle then your just kidding yourself. Now, the 2G FX has that ugly catfish look on the front end.

I was talking about the US sales of the FX. I don't know how well it says in any other country nor do I care.
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Well I have a 1G FX as well and I can tell you the size (dimensions) and body style did not change between 1G and 2G. The only major changes have been in the interior and under the hood. If you think there has been major changes to bodystyle then your just kidding yourself. Now, the 2G FX has that ugly catfish look on the front end.

I was talking about the US sales of the FX. I don't know how well it says in any other country nor do I care.
dimensions of most cars don't change much from one gen to another... if the FX was to change in dimension (going up), then it would probably be in a classed in a different category... (less "crossover" and more "SUV").

I can spot a 2nd gen from a 1st a mile away. you, of all people, since own one how can you actually think that "really did nothing to change the overall body style"? I gotta admit... I don't care for the front either... but IMO... there was a lot changed

you said you don't care if the sales of FX is good or not in other parts of the world... Do you really think Infiniti's design team goes to design something just to cater to one country? lol
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i love my 2Gen FX very nice interior first infiniti that i ever own
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The 1st gen and 2nd gen are different...no bones about it...however I gotta say that many times I have to do a double take to figure out if it's a 1st or 2nd gen.

They are a bit similar on the exterior.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
The 1st gen and 2nd gen are different...no bones about it...however I gotta say that many times I have to do a double take to figure out if it's a 1st or 2nd gen.

They are a bit similar on the exterior.
it's one thing for a non-owner to have to do a double take, but for an 1st gen owner that looks at his FX day-in, day-out and think there aren't much body style change? c'mon?

It's like... recently, I was considering a used Mini Cooper, and for me... I really can't tell them apart from year ONE to the latest... (NOT including the Clubman). But for Mini owners... they can tell at first glance. I'm just making an analogy.
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The 1st and 2nd FX gens are completely different looking...
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Originally Posted by is300eater
it's one thing for a non-owner to have to do a double take, but for an 1st gen owner that looks at his FX day-in, day-out and think there aren't much body style change? c'mon?

It's like... recently, I was considering a used Mini Cooper, and for me... I really can't tell them apart from year ONE to the latest... (NOT including the Clubman). But for Mini owners... they can tell at first glance. I'm just making an analogy.
Comparing the first to second gen Coopers is a bad comparo.
The Coopers are VERY similar looking....and that's what BMW tried to accomplish.

I'm not saying the 1st and 2nd gen FX look the same. I am saying they are similar.

...and to each his own....perhaps he thinks they are the same...I dunno, they look different to me, similar, but different.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Comparing the first to second gen Coopers is a bad comparo.
The Coopers are VERY similar looking....and that's what BMW tried to accomplish.

I'm not saying the 1st and 2nd gen FX look the same. I am saying they are similar.

...and to each his own....perhaps he thinks they are the same...I dunno, they look different to me, similar, but different.

To each his own is right. But wouldn't you agree with me that since Infiniti has a 3.7 V6 and a 5.6 V8 in their lineup, why not up the FX? Especially since the FX isn't exactly a light vehicle. If anything, the M should have the 5.0 and FX a 5.6 I say Just eliminate the 3.5/5.0 all together. I would think this saves them money too.

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Originally Posted by is300eater
To each his own is right. But wouldn't you agree with me that since Infiniti has a 3.7 V6 and a 5.6 V8 in their lineup, why not up the FX? Especially since the FX isn't exactly a light vehicle? Just eliminate the 3.5/5.0 all together. I would think this saves them money too.
Perhaps because the FX is not a big seller?
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What do you mean woot, you should be like "oh shit, the resale value of my car just dropped by $2600"
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FX doesn't hold its value and thats bad FML i want the new QX though nice and big
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
The 1st gen and 2nd gen are different...no bones about it...however I gotta say that many times I have to do a double take to figure out if it's a 1st or 2nd gen.

They are a bit similar on the exterior.
I didn't say the 1G and 2G were not different from each other, but for the love of God, the only way I can tell the difference between the two of them from a distance is if I am seeing it oncoming from the front-end. I can tell the catfish eyes and different grill from a mile away. If I'm behind one, I can not tell the difference from behind, unless it is a FX50 with that emblem in the lower corner since before 2009 it would have been FX45. I think you used the word similar which might have been a better description of what I was trying to say. The 1G and 2G have differences but they both look similar in overall shape and design.

I was just looking at them side by side in pictures. The only difference from the exterior styling from the front is the different headlights, front grill, and those plastic vents they put on the sides. The rest has nearly identical curves and body panels. The only other thing I notice different now is the curves on the hood look more authenticated on the 2G compared to the 1G.

Now, when it comes to the interior, the 2G interior is ten times different and better than the 1G in almost every way, shape, or form, even I can admit that.



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Originally Posted by is300eater
it's one thing for a non-owner to have to do a double take, but for an 1st gen owner that looks at his FX day-in, day-out and think there aren't much body style change? c'mon?

It's like... recently, I was considering a used Mini Cooper, and for me... I really can't tell them apart from year ONE to the latest... (NOT including the Clubman). But for Mini owners... they can tell at first glance. I'm just making an analogy.
no you c-mon; from a distance, they have the same shape and size; Infiniti could have done a little bit more on the exterior to change it, that is all I'm saying. Its still a gorgeous body and one of the most aggressive on the market no doubt but after seeing the essence concept I know Infiniti could go all out on this thing, considering they have the EX now as their more tame cross-over design.

Like I said to someone else, the only way I can tell the difference is by looking at the vehicle from the front-end. It definitely has different headlight housing/design and grill.

Personally, I did not like the grill they went to with the 2G and the shape of the headlights but I'm partial to the 1G obviously.
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[quote][quote=is300eater;12372758]dimensions of most cars don't change much from one gen to another... if the FX was to change in dimension (going up), then it would probably be in a classed in a different category... (less "crossover" and more "SUV").[quote]

Just because BMW and Infiniti do that doesn't mean the rest of the companies don't and no reason why they can't. One of the biggest complaints about the EX35 is its lack of rear legroom and overall cargo room for a crossover type vehicle and Infiniti still has not addressed it. The Acura TL grew over 6 inches in length from the current to previous generation and that is still classified as mid-size so cars can change big between generations. My Maxima is a great example of that. The current one actually reduced in length, height, and width from the last gen and it still feels big.
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Only differences I see is changed headlight design/housing, front grill, air vents on sides, and more pronounced hood bulges. I don't consider that big/major body style changes. Most of the panels and curves are the same. They only pronounced pre-existing curves.


you said you don't care if the sales of FX is good or not in other parts of the world... Do you really think Infiniti's design team goes to design something just to cater to one country? lol

No, I don't expect them to make a vehicle for every market but every market is different from the other and the FX and EX have had mediocre sales here in the US and Infiniti has not done much to change that yet. Maybe they will with the 2G EX and 3G FX? It is sad it took Infiniti 8 years to finally put a power liftgate on the FX for 2011 when a crappy Chevy Equinox has had it standard for a while now.

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What do you mean woot, you should be like "oh shit, the resale value of my car just dropped by $2600"
No biggie...I bought the car $6000 under MSRP.

And besides, more people can enjoy the FX that way.
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Press release...

Just six months after the idea first surfaced, the Infiniti FX designed for reigning Formula One World Champion Sebastian Vettel is unveiled today at the Frankfurt International Motor Show. What began as a chat between the Red Bull Racing driver and Infiniti’s Chief Creative Officer, Shiro Nakamura, at the Geneva Show in March is revealed, in concept form, as Infiniti’s fastest car yet and, probably, the most exclusive crossover ever made.

With its sophisticated technology, lightweight components and features such as Rear Active Steering for maximum agility, the V8 FX50S Premium – Infiniti’s flagship as well as its best-selling model in some markets – provides the ideal starting point for the FX Sebastian Vettel version. Changes including increased power, lower weight, derestricted top speed, longer gearing, increased downforce and lowered and stiffer suspension turn what is already a sports car among crossovers into a crossover supercar – the 300km/h reality of the World Champion’s vision.

Infiniti’s Corporate Vice President Toru Saito said: “The FX Sebastian Vettel version is unique and very much Sebastian’s car. But at the same time it is a concept car for Infiniti globally.”

Sebastian Vettel, 2010 Formula One World Champion and Infiniti Global Brand Ambassador

“I have been driving an FX all this year and it is a car I love. It fits my lifestyle perfectly and is great fun to drive. But of course, it could go a little faster…

“I drive a lot in Germany on motorways that have no speed limits and have enjoyed my FX around the Nürburgring Nordschleife. Driving at high speed where safe and legal is part of my life. As well as a higher top speed I wanted even better stability in my FX, and that meant work on the aerodynamics. It is a tribute to the excellence of the standard FX that achieving all my targets required so few changes.

“This is the first road car I have helped develop. Usually I have hundreds of engineers building one car just for me. So it is fantastic for me to contribute to the design of a car. The result is an Infiniti I am very proud to have my name on. It is all I hoped for: 300km/h, plenty of downforce – and I can still fit my mountain bike in the back. Plus it is totally exclusive – and as an Infiniti driver, that’s important.”

Design and aerodynamics

As Sebastian says, the first priority for his ultimate FX was to give it more performance. However, whether on the racetrack or the road, speed is just one part of the mix that goes to make a world-beater. All the car’s systems, and in particular the aerodynamics, must be up to the task. In the FX Sebastian Vettel version they are.

The car’s revised aerodynamics profile is the result of changes made by Infiniti designers and engineers after meetings involving Sebastian and Red Bull Racing personnel. A Red Bull Racing RB7 was even shipped to Japan to provide real life inspiration for the team bringing the World Champion’s road car dream to life.

Riding 20mm lower than standard and featuring a more aerodynamic, as well as more distinctive, Essence-inspired grille, the most obvious change is the addition of a carbon rear wing. Tests show that it delivers everything that its looks promise – and Sebastian sought – in terms of increased downforce, and stability, at the 300km/h speeds of which the FX Sebastian Vettel version is capable.

As well as a 30 per cent improvement in the coefficient of lift (Cl), the special FX boasts a 5 per cent lower coefficient of drag (Cd). Boosting downforce while simultaneously cutting drag is one of the concept’s major claims to fame. Even the door mirror housings have been shaped to increase downforce.

Carbon is used for the splitter, sills, front grille, mirror covers and rear diffuser, trimming the weight of what is already one of the lighter SUVs in its size class. Design of the splitter and diffuser is inspired by the F1 car, as is the central rear fog light – just like an F1 car’s rain light.

The wheels are 21-inch black multispoke alloys with silver rims, designed exclusively for this car; they don’t just look the part but also save weight over the standard 21-inch FX50 wheel. At 2049kg, the FX Sebastian Vettel version weighs 46kg less than a standard FX50S Premium.

Lower and even more distinctive with new LED daytime running lights set just below the front bumper section, the concept FX exudes dynamic power. The new look enhances the sports car-like proportions and makes the flowing profile even more seductive. Dark smoke lights back and front complete the look – along with Vettel logos on both sides and at the rear.

Shiro Nakamura, Infiniti Senior Vice President and Chief Creative Officer

“We are always keen to listen to what our customers have to say about our cars, whoever they are. Equally we are always keen to show how individual our cars are, and how personalization can subtly alter their character. Making the perfect FX for Sebastian was the ideal demonstration of this.

“It was at this year’s Geneva Show that Sebastian first suggested to me that we collaborate on making his perfect FX. So we haven’t had long, but with very clear objectives we have been able to realize his ideas in a very satisfying manner.”

Mechanical changes

With an already potent 5.0-litre V8 under the bonnet, relatively little needed to be done to enable the world’s most special FX to hit Sebastian Vettel’s maximum speed target of 300km/h.

The first job was to free the car of its speed limiter which electronically restricts all other FXs to 250km/h. Even in standard form, with the VVEL V8 producing 390PS at 6500rpm, the car has plenty of performance beyond its artificial top speed, but even so more power had to be found to deliver 300km/h.

No radical engine reworking was necessary to gain the extra 30PS that takes the FX Vettel concept’s power output to 420PS. A new exhaust system liberates some of the extra horsepower while a reprogrammed engine ECU takes care of the rest, with no discernible difference to the V8’s response or efficiency. And it sounds better than ever.

In addition to the extra power is a longer final drive ratio to deliver 300km/h Autobahn speed without any detrimental effects on refinement. The longer overall gearing means the car is not as quick off the line as it could be – but at 5.6 seconds for 0-100km/h, two tenths of a second ahead of the standard car, no one is complaining. Least of all Sebastian Vettel.

Stiffer springs and re-rated dampers take the FX50’s already highly focused sports chassis into a new area of precision control for the smooth-surface, high-speed driving for which the car exists. Essentially, however, making an FX to the
World Champion’s specification required no major changes. Like any FX in sporting S guise, the concept features dual-flow path (DFP) dampers with continuous damping control (CDC); the same wishbone front/multilink rear suspension, much of it constructed out of aluminium; opposed 4-piston (front), 2-piston (rear) calipers for the 355/350mm brake discs; and vehicle-speed variable rack and pinion steering.

Rear Active Steering, an important ingredient in any FX S’s blend of agility with stability, plays a key role in ensuring handling fulfils the World Champion’s requirements for a road car.

Interior

The bespoke carbon fibre exterior detailing is echoed in the FX’s cabin by tailored panels of black carbon – real, not appliqué – on the doors and centre console. Highlights that would normally be silver chrome are treated to a special black chrome finish, while in true F1 style, Alcantara is used on the steering wheel and gearshift paddles. Special seats, with extra support, are covered in black quilted suede cloth finished with purple stitching and special “SV” logos. The material also features on the pillars, roof lining and sun visors.

A metal plate on the centre console featuring the World Champion’s signature provides the unique finishing touch.

The luxury fittings, comprehensive features including Connectiviti+, one of the car world’s most complete and easily understood infotainment systems, and the FX’s award-winning range of safety technologies are all included. As standard of course. Infiniti believes that no one should be forced to pay for expensive extras. Not even World Champions.
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why the wing?
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for the downforce to keep you glued to the road when you are going 30 mph taking your kids to school
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that's hot
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Not sure about the wing but otherwise, I like it.
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Lame, it's not as if Infiniti powered his F1 championship. I know Renault owns Nissan who makes Infiniti but isn't this a little bit of a stretch? Vettel doesn't even drive for the factory Renault team. Why not the Eddie Cheever edition? At least Cheever won the Indy 500 in 1998 with an Infiniti powered car.
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Originally Posted by Colin
Lame, it's not as if Infiniti powered his F1 championship. I know Renault owns Nissan who makes Infiniti but isn't this a little bit of a stretch? Vettel doesn't even drive for the factory Renault team. Why not the Eddie Cheever edition? At least Cheever won the Indy 500 in 1998 with an Infiniti powered car.
who? and who? Personally I don't really give a rats ass about any of those people you mentioned. I still think it's a pretty cool design.
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n addition to the extra power is a longer final drive ratio to deliver 300km/h Autobahn speed without any detrimental effects on refinement. The longer overall gearing means the car is not as quick off the line as it could be – but at 5.6 seconds for 0-100km/h, two tenths of a second ahead of the standard car, no one is complaining. Least of all Sebastian Vettel.
186mph??? Safe to say that this will be another 'Euro Only' treat.
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Originally Posted by Colin
Lame, it's not as if Infiniti powered his F1 championship. I know Renault owns Nissan who makes Infiniti but isn't this a little bit of a stretch? Vettel doesn't even drive for the factory Renault team. Why not the Eddie Cheever edition? At least Cheever won the Indy 500 in 1998 with an Infiniti powered car.
From the article, it sounds like Vettel personally drives a FX50. So, why not? Seems to make sense to me. It's not like they're calling it an FX50 F1 or Red Bull edition. It's a Sebastian Vettel version.
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Originally Posted by AlterZgo
From the article, it sounds like Vettel personally drives a FX50. So, why not? Seems to make sense to me. It's not like they're calling it an FX50 F1 or Red Bull edition. It's a Sebastian Vettel version.
exactly. If anything, it's saying MORE that he chooses this car to drive (or sponsor) in his personal life
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See, this is what qualifies as IPL, not the crap they are giving you right now.

at 186mph, no one gives a shit about how GOOD your car looks. It is how stable the car feels, so the spoiler is justified. I am surprised it is not bigger.


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