gavriil

Indian Company to Engineer Ferrari Engines - - Source: The Car Connection

Crazy Bimmer

Thats wild.

majesty

good news for india, tata is a huge corporation in india, they produce everything from tea to steel and treat their employees extremely well in comparison to other companies in india. hope this helps the economy even more.

Teh Jatt

with majesty.

Good news for India.

goldmemberer

Is this an Indian-only reply thread? Has the reply button been disabled for the non-curry professionals on the board?

srika

can I get a :wtf: ? sorry but the last thing I would expect Ferrari to do would be to consult India for the design of their engines.... great for India, but seriously, what is Ferrari's motive for doing this? to save money? since when are they having trouble? they are one of the wealthiest sports organizations in the world...

Shawn S

OK, here’s a good ole USA be proud response.

PHUCK INDIA………. They’re already taking too many jobs from America so I guess they’re going after Europe now.
Where do I send money to help Pakistan with their nuclear program?

Python2121

ferarri should be only italian, stupid to go to india. they shouldn't even be going out of italy

majesty

wow some of you guys are ignorant, read up on the tata company and you may understand why ferrari is going there, i am sure the engines will be up to ferrari standard. you also must consider ferrari's motives for this, they are able to make the engines cheaper and make more profit as well as possibly sending some of the savings to the consumes. this is smart business for ferrari or any company for that matter, im sure if you could do the same you would, and lets remember, how many of us will ever own a ferrari? only a few in the crowd will be raising their hands.

how come none of you are complaining about bmw and mb producing cars out of germany, where were your complaints then?


jatt - sat sri akal.

mclarenf3387

Because they sent business to America not India.

gavriil

Only lately is Ferrari doing well financially. And only on a income/size ratio, not overall revenue nor income.

gavriil

Hehehe....

gavriil

That tells you that global outsourcing is invitable for every company looking to shave costs.

gavriil

1. Cadillac will be making the CTS and other cars in China starting next year.

2. Chrysler has been making/assemblying tons of cars (Sebring Cabrio, PT Cruiseer, etc.) in Mexico for years now.

3. Why can IBM and ORacle receive services from Indians from India and not Ferrari? Do they have higher standards?

4. I can come up with tons of similar examples. Everyone is looking in cutting cost any way they can and right now outsourcing products and services in developing countries is the trend. It will only accelerate unless the gov/t steps in which they wont aggressively. Accept it.

goldmemberer

Frankly, brother, think what you want, but it's not like the Indian companies go to Europe/America and ambush people and steal their jobs. If you lost your job (being hypothetical), it's likely that the boss of your boss of your boss of your boss of your boss probably either went to India or took the initiative to approach an Indian firm himself. India, I will say, is handling the jobs & such with a lot of finesse, and it's impressive. With their old govt. in place, I don't think they could've kept up efficiently but the new PM & his staff have really turned things around.

In any case, hate all you want man. I don't think it's India's fault, and it sure as hell ain't the American workers' either. But capitalism puts the rich fucks in charge, so overthrow capitalism to solve your problem. As long as the dollar is king, India will keep getting jobs. Go ahead and nuke India, the Chinese will better learn English and "steal" your jobs. Or maybe this is how Africa will rise. Iuno man, good luck to you.

SiGGy

SiGGy

You have obvioulsy never experienced or worked with anything outsourced to india before. I have 1st hand, and it's nothing like your saying... lots of problems. Not to mention communication barriers...

MADCAT

Bahahhaha...I see the bean counters are slowly getting into Ferrari. We can kiss the signature tone from the Ferrari engines goodbye to something from a Hindu Temple ....

If I knew I had a Ferrari designed and built in Inidan instead of Italy. I would toss it!...
Why do u buy Italian leather? Because its made in Italy, not China or India!...i think Ferrari will will reliaze this error.

Ferrrari is about Passion first, business 2nd.

Python2121

chef chris

What are you asking here?

--->Why are we OK with a german car built in germany?

chef chris

Sometimes cheaper just equals cheaper...not better...

charliemike

Unbelieveable.

The GD engines aren't built in Dehli you moofs. They are designed there on a GD computer for about $.00000011/hr vs a hell of a lot more in Italy.

If I owned a corporation that did software or something like that, I guarantee I'd consider India. It's the best way to get things done in the shortest amount of time.

Think about it ... John Smith works on some software for Omegatron, Inc from 9-5 EST then uploads it to a central server and Parag Kumar downloads it and works on it while John's at home asleep. When Parag clocks out, the software goes back up to the server and John keeps working on it while Parag's at home.

Instead of it taking John 30 days to do something, John and Parag could in theory get it done in 15 and for about 120% of what it would cost for just John. Plus development time is cut in half and therefore ROI starts much sooner. That's what globalization is all about.

F23A4

Sacrilege!!! The Car Connection is blasphemous!!

chef chris

I think we understand the semantics...but how can babalooloo in India, whether he is an expert engineer or not, know how to maintain the soul, sound, feel, characteristics of a time-honored & classicaly hand-made design...let alone, he may never have even heard/seen a Ferrari in his entire life.

Put this another way...let's have a Hyundai engineer design the new BMW engine & see if it looks/feels like what BMW owners have come to expect/love over the years...

Better off if they did just build them in India and left the design to people who are more in touch with the soul of the beast...

Red-CL

Preach on brotha Shawn.

Python2121

what makes cars built and designed in certain countries is the school of thought which dictates the type of design.

people in italy value certain things, those are all subconciously designed into their cars. same with germans, same with japanese cars, same with american cars. its what gives the cars different character. i would be concerned with losing that character.

i dont know how much that gets applied when your talking about JUST an engine, though, but i think it might be pretty important

chef chris

^^^

heyitsme

Considering the contract was for designing FORMULA ONE ENGINES, I think people are overreacting. Also, Ferrari doesn't send the work to India, the engineers go to Ferraris headquarters to do the work.

goldmemberer

I would love to think/believe that too, but... doesn't their strategic business move invalidate that fact in totality?

goldmemberer

ABP-CL9-TSX

I don't know if this will be a good thing or bad thing for Ferrari....lets just hope its good and the performance stays to its roots.

goldmemberer

When it comes to an Engine, is Ferrari going to give up 50hp in favor of sound/feel? Will they give up an flat torque curve from a machine-assembled engine and instead have it be hand-made? I'm just saying, the job of an engine is to make as much power as possible in the given budget, however high it may be, and it's no secret that Indian people are, on average, relatively good at mathematics. I don't see the harm, but I'm not advocating it either.

cusdaddy

The key to Ferrari is the passion. The sound, the feel.. It's something that can't specifically be captured or described with math. As stated above, it's the character of the car. I think this is a stupid decision, but it's Ferrari's decision.

goldmemberer

Agreed.

srika

and?

srika

btw F1 is HUGELY popular in India.... so it's not like it's going to a country that knows nothing about F1. Many Indians are big into F1, and they KNOW Ferrari's place in it. You can imagine how ecstatic they are about this opportunity...

heyitsme

If the sound and feel of the engine couldn't be captured with math, then it couldn't be produced. Its not a Ferrari engineers passion that makes the car sound the way it does, its his engineering abilities, and that can be shared with any skilled design team.

The engineers are assisting Ferrari with software and automation, probably something along the lines of finite elements where the engine can be built in the computer and tested without actually building physical engines.

blader

times 10000000
couldnt have said it better myself.

so I guess instead of the italian ferarris being pasta rockets we have to call them curry rockets now

CLovis

Zapata

Coming from a free market proponent who is anti-union? Wouldn't have thought it. Moreover, taking jobs from???? It's market economics.....deal with it. US companies and US economy need to reorganize to compete. This coming from somebody, who is Indian and who's mother lost her job to outsourcing that went to India. Moreover, fuck who? People there are just trying to make a living like the people here. It might be easier for you to demonize a country rather than face the truth. It is what it is. Cursing other countries is a short sided response. You of all people, Shawn, living near Bethlehem, PA should know what happens to an industry who ignores international market competition. The steel industry completely ignored competition from outside and look at it now. It's an unfortunate thing in the short term but hopefully some growing pains now will help to avoid problems in the future. There needs to be something done to help those who have lost jobs to regain work.