Hyundai: Genesis News
09-09-2009, 05:59 PM
#2361
Burning Brakes
Oh, and no kidding? I'm amazed that the IS-F can keep up with 500 HP cars!
Maybe that because the IS-F also has 416 HP. Which 500 HP car are you even comparing it to? You do realize that a car with 80 more horsepowers doesn't automatically mean it'll be able to leave it behind. In fact, you'd have to look at the torque curve, gearing, power-to-weight ratio, parasitic losses, aerodynamics etc. to even begin to determine which car is more likely to win in a race.
09-10-2009, 01:46 PM
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Many of you don't seem to know anything about gearing. Haven't you ridden a bicycle that has multiple gears? Go study gear ratios on the web, and to further grasp the idea about gearing go ride a bicycle with multiple gears.
Generally higher number of gears will provide you FASTER acceleration (and deceleration) AND better fuel economy. This will vary depending on the gear ratios of each gear. You would have to be completely stupid if higher number of gears hardly give any performance increase and think is just a bragging rights. Just about all of you in this thread fall in this category.
There maybe a very small increase in acceleration between a 7 spd and 8 spd tranny, but once again, will depend on the gear ratios. If the gears are much closely spaced on the 8 spd it will go faster than the car equipped with a 7 spd. Higher number of gears with closely spaced gears will also do better passing cars in the highways. Your 0-60 can be improved significantly. Your 60- 100 mph will be improved significantly. Your 100- 150 mph will be improved significantly.
And that idiot who said that the 8 spd tranny on the Genesis will be heavier is also ignorant... The upcoming 8 spd tranny will be lighter than the current line up of the 6 spd automatic transmission and there will be less number of moving parts and will be more efficient. You guys like old technology that is inefficient and has slow acceleration? Why don't you go pick up a car that's got 4-spd tranny? Sounds like you guys love the old stuff.
And it is the car with less power (hp and tq) will need close ratio 7 or 8 spd transmission to gain more power to the ground. The reason why the 4th gen Automatic Acura TL has such horrible acceleration performance is because of having only 5 gears, and those gears are ridiculously tall.
Tall Gears = Shit performance
Short Gears = Great performance
You need short gears and at least 7 spd if you want some serious performance. Why the hell do you think cars like Lexus IS-F performs so well in roll-on races? It keeps up or outperforms cars that have 500 hp. This is due to close ratio gears you dumb asses.. Also, why the hell do you think the Mazdaspeed 3 outruns many other competitors in roll races? Nope, it's not only because it's got turbo (higher torque) but also has extremely short gears all the way to the top speed. Only the smart guys like me would pick up one of these cars. As for the Genesis, I cant' comment how good they will be until I review the gear ratios on the upcoming 8 spd platform.
You guys are soooo..... behind.
Generally higher number of gears will provide you FASTER acceleration (and deceleration) AND better fuel economy. This will vary depending on the gear ratios of each gear. You would have to be completely stupid if higher number of gears hardly give any performance increase and think is just a bragging rights. Just about all of you in this thread fall in this category.
There maybe a very small increase in acceleration between a 7 spd and 8 spd tranny, but once again, will depend on the gear ratios. If the gears are much closely spaced on the 8 spd it will go faster than the car equipped with a 7 spd. Higher number of gears with closely spaced gears will also do better passing cars in the highways. Your 0-60 can be improved significantly. Your 60- 100 mph will be improved significantly. Your 100- 150 mph will be improved significantly.
And that idiot who said that the 8 spd tranny on the Genesis will be heavier is also ignorant... The upcoming 8 spd tranny will be lighter than the current line up of the 6 spd automatic transmission and there will be less number of moving parts and will be more efficient. You guys like old technology that is inefficient and has slow acceleration? Why don't you go pick up a car that's got 4-spd tranny? Sounds like you guys love the old stuff.
And it is the car with less power (hp and tq) will need close ratio 7 or 8 spd transmission to gain more power to the ground. The reason why the 4th gen Automatic Acura TL has such horrible acceleration performance is because of having only 5 gears, and those gears are ridiculously tall.
Tall Gears = Shit performance
Short Gears = Great performance
You need short gears and at least 7 spd if you want some serious performance. Why the hell do you think cars like Lexus IS-F performs so well in roll-on races? It keeps up or outperforms cars that have 500 hp. This is due to close ratio gears you dumb asses.. Also, why the hell do you think the Mazdaspeed 3 outruns many other competitors in roll races? Nope, it's not only because it's got turbo (higher torque) but also has extremely short gears all the way to the top speed. Only the smart guys like me would pick up one of these cars. As for the Genesis, I cant' comment how good they will be until I review the gear ratios on the upcoming 8 spd platform.
You guys are soooo..... behind.
Your very knowledgible in this subject.Let me tell you something, the ONLY reason why people are complaining or in doubt is because its Hyundai. If this transmission was made from BMW, MB, or even Lexus, nobody would complain.
09-10-2009, 09:48 PM
#2364
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Oh, and no kidding? I'm amazed that the IS-F can keep up with 500 HP cars!
Maybe that because the IS-F also has 416 HP. Which 500 HP car are you even comparing it to? You do realize that a car with 80 more horsepowers doesn't automatically mean it'll be able to leave it behind. In fact, you'd have to look at the torque curve, gearing, power-to-weight ratio, parasitic losses, aerodynamics etc. to even begin to determine which car is more likely to win in a race.
Sure, you can cram more gears in a tranny, but if it sacrifices overall driveability, what's the point? As knavinusa was eluding too on another point,....there is a lot more to consider than just gear ratios.
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09-10-2009, 11:38 PM
#2365
Welcome to Olliewood
This right here is why everybody on this forum wants to blindside you with the big ass ban-stick.
09-18-2009, 07:35 AM
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While we are on the topic of the IS-F, a criticism I have seen come up in articles/reviews is that it has too many gears. The problem being the car hunts/has to change down too many gears for passing type situations, etc.
Sure, you can cram more gears in a tranny, but if it sacrifices overall driveability, what's the point? As knavinusa was eluding too on another point,....there is a lot more to consider than just gear ratios.
Sure, you can cram more gears in a tranny, but if it sacrifices overall driveability, what's the point? As knavinusa was eluding too on another point,....there is a lot more to consider than just gear ratios.
09-18-2009, 07:36 AM
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09-18-2009, 07:59 AM
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The only person I've ever seen agree with msl82 is "Manual Transmission".... drumroll please? Either that or its msl under another name, because no one can possibly be that retarded to agree with him.
How's the IS350? No one could possibly sackride the IS so hard and come out so brash with their first posts like this unless it was a previous member.
How's the IS350? No one could possibly sackride the IS so hard and come out so brash with their first posts like this unless it was a previous member.
09-18-2009, 11:44 AM
#2372
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The only person I've ever seen agree with msl82 is "Manual Transmission".... drumroll please? Either that or its msl under another name, because no one can possibly be that retarded to agree with him.
How's the IS350? No one could possibly sackride the IS so hard and come out so brash with their first posts like this unless it was a previous member.
How's the IS350? No one could possibly sackride the IS so hard and come out so brash with their first posts like this unless it was a previous member.
09-18-2009, 08:39 PM
#2375
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Then put it in SS mode and shift it manually. Keep in mind, the gear ratios in the IS-F is designed for speed (performance), not for grandpa cruising. This is the point, you dumb ass. Stop your whining.... Go drive your 4 spd automatic and have shitty acceleration and poor gas mileage.
I think your response ^^ is more than enough for everyone to see how stupid you are. There is no point addressing your blather, as you clearly wont understand the points being made based on your response above. I'm not willing to waste time talking to someone that doesn't show respect to other AZ members anyway.
Nominee for the next round of the ban games???
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01-20-2010, 02:39 PM
#2377
Safety Car
Not Sure What Thread This Should Go In but ....
File this one under the dangers of mixing traditional Brick & Mortar business practices with the immediacy and transparency of the internet. Glenn Hyundai of Lexington, Kentucky placed a slightly used Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T on eBay Motors. There was no reserve, and a gencoupe.com forum member named McFly made a bid of $16,125 and won the auction (here's a PDF of the auction in case the eBay link goes dead).
Not a bad price, especially as the Gen Coupe in question had less than 5,000 miles on it and costs over $22,000 when new. McFly then secures financing from his bank to pay for the Coupe, makes the necessary travel arrangements to go pick up his car (he doesn't live in Kentucky) and calls the dealer to put down a deposit with his credit card. This is when things begin to go bad. We'll let McFly take it from here:
We contacted Glenn Hyundai to get their side of the story, but were passed around before ultimately being hung up on. We then contacted Hyundai USA, who told us, "We expect our dealers to contract in good faith with customers. We do not know the details of this transaction. But we hope the dealer and customer in question can come to a mutually beneficial agreement." We'll keep you posted if McFly's situation changes.
Not a bad price, especially as the Gen Coupe in question had less than 5,000 miles on it and costs over $22,000 when new. McFly then secures financing from his bank to pay for the Coupe, makes the necessary travel arrangements to go pick up his car (he doesn't live in Kentucky) and calls the dealer to put down a deposit with his credit card. This is when things begin to go bad. We'll let McFly take it from here:
I talk to the front desk secretary, ask her how to make my deposit for an Internet Sales deal I have, and she immediately transfers me to Eric Manley. I talk to Eric briefly and he laughs at me over the phone, "Sorry buddy but you're not getting it for that price, he says." I tell him it's a deal that I have worked out with the Internet Sales guy, and I'm ready to make the deposit. He laughs at me again, and says, "sorry buddy, not for that price." It's obvious that this guy knows nothing about it, but it's odd that he won't let me make my deposit. He's clearly either confused or not the right guy.
Youch – and you know there's a Hyundai Assurance joke in there somewhere. No one wants to be laughed at, especially when you won the car in question fairly and in a legal manner on an eBay auction. McFly doesn't give up, and eventually finds out that the owner's name is Cy Dicken. He gets in touch with a guy named Tad, who called McFly supposedly to take his credit card info. It turns out that Tad is the person who placed the Genesis Coupe on eBay in the first place. More from McFly: Tad tells me that he's the one that made the deal (listed the ebay auction), and there is no way I'm getting it for that price, and that he doesn't care about the Legal Binding Contract that they have (the ebay auction), I'm not getting the deal.
We argue back and forth for a while. He offers a Christmas card, and then a Turkey [sic] for compensation, while I tell him that I have a "Legal Binding Contract" from them and that I'm not going away until I get my car or some compensation for this headache that they've put me through." He then says, that "Sorry, car has already been sold, so you can't have it it's gone."
...He says "we're going around in circles, you're not getting the car that I don't have here to sell you, and definitely not for that price. You've had a few people hang up on you already, why continue this. Didn't I tell you I was the owner." All lies of course, as I tell him "No you told me that you were Tad, not Cy Dicken, and everyone has been real nice so far, no ones hung up on me."
Ooof... It goes on and on like this – long story short, McFly didn't get the car at that price. We saw a similar case a while back when a Nebraska BMW dealer refused to honor an auction for a $60,000 M3. Due to pressure, they eventually caved in and agreed to let the car go for the price they sold it for. Still, you got to wonder if the few thousand dollars both of these dealers feel they deserve is worth the headaches and bad press.We argue back and forth for a while. He offers a Christmas card, and then a Turkey [sic] for compensation, while I tell him that I have a "Legal Binding Contract" from them and that I'm not going away until I get my car or some compensation for this headache that they've put me through." He then says, that "Sorry, car has already been sold, so you can't have it it's gone."
...He says "we're going around in circles, you're not getting the car that I don't have here to sell you, and definitely not for that price. You've had a few people hang up on you already, why continue this. Didn't I tell you I was the owner." All lies of course, as I tell him "No you told me that you were Tad, not Cy Dicken, and everyone has been real nice so far, no ones hung up on me."
We contacted Glenn Hyundai to get their side of the story, but were passed around before ultimately being hung up on. We then contacted Hyundai USA, who told us, "We expect our dealers to contract in good faith with customers. We do not know the details of this transaction. But we hope the dealer and customer in question can come to a mutually beneficial agreement." We'll keep you posted if McFly's situation changes.
01-20-2010, 02:48 PM
#2378
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Wow, that's bad. Not the kind of image you want to spread around. I wonder if the guy retained a lawyer? I can't imagine the dealer would have been able to get around the contract. Hardly seems fair. If the tables were turned and the buyer had wanted to back out of the deal, I'm sure the dealer would have refused. 
01-20-2010, 03:03 PM
#2379
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File this one under the dangers of mixing traditional Brick & Mortar business practices with the immediacy and transparency of the internet. Glenn Hyundai of Lexington, Kentucky placed a slightly used Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T on eBay Motors. There was no reserve, and a gencoupe.com forum member named McFly made a bid of $16,125 and won the auction (here's a PDF of the auction in case the eBay link goes dead).
Not a bad price, especially as the Gen Coupe in question had less than 5,000 miles on it and costs over $22,000 when new. McFly then secures financing from his bank to pay for the Coupe, makes the necessary travel arrangements to go pick up his car (he doesn't live in Kentucky) and calls the dealer to put down a deposit with his credit card. This is when things begin to go bad. We'll let McFly take it from here:
We contacted Glenn Hyundai to get their side of the story, but were passed around before ultimately being hung up on. We then contacted Hyundai USA, who told us, "We expect our dealers to contract in good faith with customers. We do not know the details of this transaction. But we hope the dealer and customer in question can come to a mutually beneficial agreement." We'll keep you posted if McFly's situation changes.
Not a bad price, especially as the Gen Coupe in question had less than 5,000 miles on it and costs over $22,000 when new. McFly then secures financing from his bank to pay for the Coupe, makes the necessary travel arrangements to go pick up his car (he doesn't live in Kentucky) and calls the dealer to put down a deposit with his credit card. This is when things begin to go bad. We'll let McFly take it from here:
I talk to the front desk secretary, ask her how to make my deposit for an Internet Sales deal I have, and she immediately transfers me to Eric Manley. I talk to Eric briefly and he laughs at me over the phone, "Sorry buddy but you're not getting it for that price, he says." I tell him it's a deal that I have worked out with the Internet Sales guy, and I'm ready to make the deposit. He laughs at me again, and says, "sorry buddy, not for that price." It's obvious that this guy knows nothing about it, but it's odd that he won't let me make my deposit. He's clearly either confused or not the right guy.
Youch – and you know there's a Hyundai Assurance joke in there somewhere. No one wants to be laughed at, especially when you won the car in question fairly and in a legal manner on an eBay auction. McFly doesn't give up, and eventually finds out that the owner's name is Cy Dicken. He gets in touch with a guy named Tad, who called McFly supposedly to take his credit card info. It turns out that Tad is the person who placed the Genesis Coupe on eBay in the first place. More from McFly: Tad tells me that he's the one that made the deal (listed the ebay auction), and there is no way I'm getting it for that price, and that he doesn't care about the Legal Binding Contract that they have (the ebay auction), I'm not getting the deal.
We argue back and forth for a while. He offers a Christmas card, and then a Turkey [sic] for compensation, while I tell him that I have a "Legal Binding Contract" from them and that I'm not going away until I get my car or some compensation for this headache that they've put me through." He then says, that "Sorry, car has already been sold, so you can't have it it's gone."
...He says "we're going around in circles, you're not getting the car that I don't have here to sell you, and definitely not for that price. You've had a few people hang up on you already, why continue this. Didn't I tell you I was the owner." All lies of course, as I tell him "No you told me that you were Tad, not Cy Dicken, and everyone has been real nice so far, no ones hung up on me."
Ooof... It goes on and on like this – long story short, McFly didn't get the car at that price. We saw a similar case a while back when a Nebraska BMW dealer refused to honor an auction for a $60,000 M3. Due to pressure, they eventually caved in and agreed to let the car go for the price they sold it for. Still, you got to wonder if the few thousand dollars both of these dealers feel they deserve is worth the headaches and bad press.We argue back and forth for a while. He offers a Christmas card, and then a Turkey [sic] for compensation, while I tell him that I have a "Legal Binding Contract" from them and that I'm not going away until I get my car or some compensation for this headache that they've put me through." He then says, that "Sorry, car has already been sold, so you can't have it it's gone."
...He says "we're going around in circles, you're not getting the car that I don't have here to sell you, and definitely not for that price. You've had a few people hang up on you already, why continue this. Didn't I tell you I was the owner." All lies of course, as I tell him "No you told me that you were Tad, not Cy Dicken, and everyone has been real nice so far, no ones hung up on me."
We contacted Glenn Hyundai to get their side of the story, but were passed around before ultimately being hung up on. We then contacted Hyundai USA, who told us, "We expect our dealers to contract in good faith with customers. We do not know the details of this transaction. But we hope the dealer and customer in question can come to a mutually beneficial agreement." We'll keep you posted if McFly's situation changes.
01-20-2010, 03:25 PM
#2383
ooo
hope you guys don't mind me posting link to that guy's thread about the 16k deal..
http://www.gencoupe.com/general-disc...ing-honor.html
hope you guys don't mind me posting link to that guy's thread about the 16k deal..
http://www.gencoupe.com/general-disc...ing-honor.html
01-20-2010, 03:28 PM
#2384
Senior Moderator
01-20-2010, 03:57 PM
#2386
The dealership supposedly sold that very car.
Then a friend of the new owner posted with pictures claiming that it has been sold.
The plot.... it thickened.
McFly, the winning bidder of the auction, seems to be weighing on citing the Kentucky bait-and-switch laws against the dealership.
All I can say is best wishes to the guy. I hope he wins and gets compensated on a different Genesis Coupe.
Then a friend of the new owner posted with pictures claiming that it has been sold.
The plot.... it thickened.
McFly, the winning bidder of the auction, seems to be weighing on citing the Kentucky bait-and-switch laws against the dealership.
All I can say is best wishes to the guy. I hope he wins and gets compensated on a different Genesis Coupe.
01-20-2010, 04:12 PM
#2387
The sizzle in the Steak
You tell 'em McFly....don't let 'em push you around like Biff!
01-20-2010, 11:55 PM
#2389
Punk Rocker
ooo
hope you guys don't mind me posting link to that guy's thread about the 16k deal..
http://www.gencoupe.com/general-disc...ing-honor.html
hope you guys don't mind me posting link to that guy's thread about the 16k deal..
http://www.gencoupe.com/general-disc...ing-honor.html
Stuff like this pisses me off. You offered the car. It sold fair and square but now you wanna back out. I guarantee they would raise bloody hell if a buyer did the same but since they are a dealer I guess Ebay rules don't apply to them. Glad to see it was resolved....
01-25-2010, 06:53 PM
#2390
Safety Car
Update
This ended about how we predicted. You all no doubt remember McFly, the guy that won a legit eBay auction for a slightly used Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T for $16,125. Problem was that the seller – Glenn Hyundai of Lexington, KY – felt the car was worth more ($19,700) and refused to sell it to McFly. They claim they set a reserve price (even though they didn't) and wouldn't budge. End of story, kind of.
See, the internet got a hold of the McFly's tale of woe, and few things excite people (us included) more than tales of bald-faced greed mixed with dishonest car dealers. Not surprisingly, the story took off like wildfire and Glenn Hyundai soon found itself inundated with phone calls, emails, faxes – you name it. The onslaught became so bad that Glenn Hyundai got in touch with McFly and told him that if he would call off his dogs (remove his forum posts, plead with Gencoupe.com forum members to stop harassing the dealership, somehow get Digg.com to do... exactly what we're not sure, etc.) they would presumably sell him a Genesis Coupe for $16,125.
Why do we say presumably? Because we never knew the details of the agreement McFly worked out with Glenn Hyundai. Or, as McFly puts it an updated post, "For the record I have not shared any part of the verbal agreement." Despite this agreement never being finalized, some felt that McFly's saga was over (while some nearly broke their hands patting themselves on the back). We ourselves were reluctant to think or declare anything until McFly had the Genesis Coupe in hand. Guess what?
No Genesis Coupe 2.0T for McFly. He's claiming that Glenn Hyundai has breached the "verbal agreement" he reached with them. He's refusing to give any details of said verbal agreement, but maintains that Glenn Hyundai owes him a Gen Coupe for $16,125. Also, McFly's retained a lawyer. Also-also, he's contacted Hyundai USA but received no response. We'll keep you updated. Thanks to Bora for the heads up!
See, the internet got a hold of the McFly's tale of woe, and few things excite people (us included) more than tales of bald-faced greed mixed with dishonest car dealers. Not surprisingly, the story took off like wildfire and Glenn Hyundai soon found itself inundated with phone calls, emails, faxes – you name it. The onslaught became so bad that Glenn Hyundai got in touch with McFly and told him that if he would call off his dogs (remove his forum posts, plead with Gencoupe.com forum members to stop harassing the dealership, somehow get Digg.com to do... exactly what we're not sure, etc.) they would presumably sell him a Genesis Coupe for $16,125.
Why do we say presumably? Because we never knew the details of the agreement McFly worked out with Glenn Hyundai. Or, as McFly puts it an updated post, "For the record I have not shared any part of the verbal agreement." Despite this agreement never being finalized, some felt that McFly's saga was over (while some nearly broke their hands patting themselves on the back). We ourselves were reluctant to think or declare anything until McFly had the Genesis Coupe in hand. Guess what?
No Genesis Coupe 2.0T for McFly. He's claiming that Glenn Hyundai has breached the "verbal agreement" he reached with them. He's refusing to give any details of said verbal agreement, but maintains that Glenn Hyundai owes him a Gen Coupe for $16,125. Also, McFly's retained a lawyer. Also-also, he's contacted Hyundai USA but received no response. We'll keep you updated. Thanks to Bora for the heads up!
03-31-2010, 03:45 PM
#2394
We learned a few more interesting facts about the 2011 Hyundai Sonata 2.0T today in New York. First, its twin-scroll turbocharged, direct-injected 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine is longitudinally mounted (yes, even though the Sonata is front-wheel-drive and even though it sort of looks transverse at a glance).
The significance? This 274-hp engine will likely replace the weak-sauce 2.0-liter turbo (210 hp) currently used in the rear-drive Genesis Coupe 2.0T.
The significance? This 274-hp engine will likely replace the weak-sauce 2.0-liter turbo (210 hp) currently used in the rear-drive Genesis Coupe 2.0T.
Just what I asked for.
03-31-2010, 03:56 PM
#2396
Burning Brakes
Hmm, that's interesting. Longitudinally mounted engine in an FWD car?
EDIT: Come to think of it, I guess Audi does that too.
but they do it because it makes it easier to add the center differential for AWD. Makes me wonder if they might offer AWD on the Sonata as well.
EDIT: Come to think of it, I guess Audi does that too.
but they do it because it makes it easier to add the center differential for AWD. Makes me wonder if they might offer AWD on the Sonata as well.
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06-18-2010, 04:43 PM
#2397
hail to the victors
Video: Hyundai steps in for Porsche, offers to take on Mini at Road Atlanta
06-18-2010, 05:32 PM
#2398
The sizzle in the Steak
meh....beating a Hyundai Genesis just doesn't have the same impact as beating a Porsche 911.
One is a legend.....the other...not so much.
One is a legend.....the other...not so much.
