Hyundai: Genesis News
11-29-2012, 06:23 PM
#3001
Team Owner
Better than RLX even with the mask on.
12-01-2012, 10:54 AM
#3003
Three Wheelin'
Pretty sure these pictures indicate two different test mules.... I just hope they don't screw up and put the 10sp into the production sport sedan model... aka the 'R-spec'....
12-03-2012, 12:08 PM
#3004
Team Owner
So it seems its got LED headlight (RLX look alike) and the LED DRL (6 series)
Not bad at all.
Not bad at all.
12-04-2012, 09:14 AM
#3005
Senior Moderator
Even with all the camo that looks better than the rlx, the rlx is just way to bland and forgettable looking.
12-04-2012, 09:57 AM
#3007
Three Wheelin'
Even with evident longitudinal mount proportions? The Azera is a built atop a totally different platform. The Genesis sedan (and Equus) are built atop the BH [BH-V - also know as the VI] where as the new Azera is built on the HG platform...
12-04-2012, 10:21 AM
#3008
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12-07-2012, 08:58 PM
#3011
Punk Rocker
If VW can't sell a 70K sedan what makes Hyundai think it can?
Even Acura has a tough time selling an RL for 45K - I don't see Hyundai selling anything (in the next 5 years), I don't care how nice it is (even if they come up with some different brand for their luxury arm), in the 40K and up market.
Even Acura has a tough time selling an RL for 45K - I don't see Hyundai selling anything (in the next 5 years), I don't care how nice it is (even if they come up with some different brand for their luxury arm), in the 40K and up market.
Fun to go back and read some of these older posts and see just how wrong we all were about stuff!
12-08-2012, 03:49 AM
#3012
Genesis/Eqqus are practically non existant in rest of the world. Just Nissan Patrol/Infiniti QX exceed all Hyundai V8 sales per month
in UAE alone 1500 V8 Nissan Patrol are selling per month.
http://www.ameinfo.com/nissan-patrol...-region-316664
Nissan Patrol drives to highest ever sales in the Gulf region
August was a record month with sales close to 1,500 units.
Nissan Patrol drives to highest ever sales in the Gulf region
August was a record month with sales close to 1,500 units.
Just to give u example. top end Accord Euro (18inch wheel, bixenon etc ) is priced at $42k in Australia. but this Nissan Patrol top version goes for $115K. It will be like selling Nissan version of Infiniti at $100k in US.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/190963/2...patrol-review/
We’re also the only country to have requested a diesel version of the latest Y62 Patrol, but the likelihood of that wish being granted, at least in the short term, is slim, at best.
Blame that on the cashed-up UAE market where petrol prices hover around .50 cents a litre and big V8s rule the sand dunes with diesels confined to freight trucks.
We’re also the only country to have requested a diesel version of the latest Y62 Patrol, but the likelihood of that wish being granted, at least in the short term, is slim, at best.
Blame that on the cashed-up UAE market where petrol prices hover around .50 cents a litre and big V8s rule the sand dunes with diesels confined to freight trucks.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...132295868.html
Infiniti Middle East: Success of Infiniti QX Exemplifies Boom in Mid East Luxury Car Sales
Infiniti Middle East: Success of Infiniti QX Exemplifies Boom in Mid East Luxury Car Sales
12-08-2012, 06:53 AM
#3013
Race Director
I should have put in a couple of more caveats, but yeah, Hyundai has done well with the Genesis. And to be fair I made that comment 7+ years ago.
Last edited by biker; 12-08-2012 at 06:57 AM.
12-08-2012, 09:52 AM
#3014
Punk Rocker
By comparison I'd give the Bose system in my G37S an 85...
12-08-2012, 10:24 AM
#3015
This is very unlike you. Not one single picture in your reply. How are you suppose to make your opinion appear as if it's fact or more valid without a lot of pictures?
Allow me to fix your post.
See how much better your point comes across with lots of pictures?
.
Allow me to fix your post.
They werent wrong. you have to look Korean created separate RWD platform along with V8 engines.
and sales are very tiny for such investment.
Genesis/Eqqus
are practically non existant in rest of the world.
Just Nissan Patrol/Infiniti QX
exceed all Hyundai V8 sales per month
in UAE
alone 1500 V8 Nissan Patrol are selling per month.
They are not even making V8 diesel for Patrol.
unlike MB GL/RR/LC 200.
Just to give u example. top end Accord Euro (18inch wheel, bixenon etc )
is priced at $42k in Australia. but this Nissan Patrol top version goes for $115K. It will be like selling Nissan version of Infiniti at $100k
in US.
than do platform sharing over the top of that.
It is now practically established that despite creating V8 and RWD platforms Hyundi has failed to create a luxury image. I bet they are losing big time trying to sell the cheap with low volume for V8/RWD.
and sales are very tiny for such investment.
Genesis/Eqqus
are practically non existant in rest of the world.
Just Nissan Patrol/Infiniti QX
exceed all Hyundai V8 sales per month
in UAE
alone 1500 V8 Nissan Patrol are selling per month.
They are not even making V8 diesel for Patrol.
unlike MB GL/RR/LC 200.
Just to give u example. top end Accord Euro (18inch wheel, bixenon etc )
is priced at $42k in Australia. but this Nissan Patrol top version goes for $115K. It will be like selling Nissan version of Infiniti at $100k
in US.
than do platform sharing over the top of that.
It is now practically established that despite creating V8 and RWD platforms Hyundi has failed to create a luxury image. I bet they are losing big time trying to sell the cheap with low volume for V8/RWD.
See how much better your point comes across with lots of pictures?
.
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12-08-2012, 04:16 PM
#3018
Senior Moderator
Nice edit.
12-08-2012, 05:24 PM
#3019
My first Avatar....
12-08-2012, 06:29 PM
#3020
its company more concerned with image see EPA figures. its 10 year warranty, its assurance programe, its trade in value guarantees.
Hyundai/Kia has practically zero success in selling expensive vehicles outside Korea.
Compare to Honda. It introduces 6speed in MDX/ZDX. and now slowly it went to TL/RL/Accord/RLX. next in line is transition to CVT for 4cylinder cars. Honda introductions is slow and more standardized.
12-08-2012, 08:30 PM
#3021
My first Avatar....
please make it stop.
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12-08-2012, 09:23 PM
#3022
Punk Rocker
You dont need picture to state obvious. Hyundi is constantly changing engines and transmissions. jump from 6speed to 8speed was fast one.
its company more concerned with image see EPA figures. its 10 year warranty, its assurance programe, its trade in value guarantees.
Hyundai/Kia has practically zero success in selling expensive vehicles outside Korea.
Compare to Honda. It introduces 6speed in MDX/ZDX. and now slowly it went to TL/RL/Accord/RLX. next in line is transition to CVT for 4cylinder cars. Honda introductions is slow and more standardized.
its company more concerned with image see EPA figures. its 10 year warranty, its assurance programe, its trade in value guarantees.
Hyundai/Kia has practically zero success in selling expensive vehicles outside Korea.
Compare to Honda. It introduces 6speed in MDX/ZDX. and now slowly it went to TL/RL/Accord/RLX. next in line is transition to CVT for 4cylinder cars. Honda introductions is slow and more standardized.
12-08-2012, 09:43 PM
#3023
Moderator
12-08-2012, 09:55 PM
#3025
Senior Moderator
You dont need picture to state obvious. Hyundi is constantly changing engines and transmissions. jump from 6speed to 8speed was fast one.
its company more concerned with image see EPA figures. its 10 year warranty, its assurance programe, its trade in value guarantees.
Hyundai/Kia has practically zero success in selling expensive vehicles outside Korea.
Compare to Honda. It introduces 6speed in MDX/ZDX. and now slowly it went to TL/RL/Accord/RLX. next in line is transition to CVT for 4cylinder cars. Honda introductions is slow and more standardized.
its company more concerned with image see EPA figures. its 10 year warranty, its assurance programe, its trade in value guarantees.
Hyundai/Kia has practically zero success in selling expensive vehicles outside Korea.
Compare to Honda. It introduces 6speed in MDX/ZDX. and now slowly it went to TL/RL/Accord/RLX. next in line is transition to CVT for 4cylinder cars. Honda introductions is slow and more standardized.
12-09-2012, 01:29 AM
#3026
Even the 2013 Civic lacks pushbutton/6speed auto/side mirror indicators/power seat/rear heated/360W audio of Elantra. Also you dont get 17inch rim except for Si.
12-09-2012, 01:43 AM
#3027
12-09-2012, 08:51 AM
#3028
Race Director
Selling any kind of 40K vehicle at 2K/mo is selling well. The fact that it is in the same category as E, 5, A6, GS, etc and is usually about third on the list makes it even more impressive.
12-09-2012, 11:32 AM
#3030
its company more concerned with sales. its 10 year warranty, its assurance programe, its trade in value guarantees.
Hyundai/Kia has practically zero success in selling expensive vehicles outside Korea like Acura. Compare this to Acura. It introduce 2G RL and sales slow from 1K/month to under 100/month. Next in line is RLX. Acura RL sales is slow and more standardized.
12-09-2012, 04:59 PM
#3032
It is like selling MDX at price of CRV. you have to be skeptical about the success and funny accounting going on at Hyundai. It is bargain basement brand with no image no matter what kind of content it put into cars.
12-09-2012, 05:33 PM
#3033
First you try to tell us Genesis is terrible and a slow seller. When it's pointed out that it isn't really a slow seller and is actually selling pretty well, you try to convince us that the Genesis is terrible now because.....
it's bigger (and in some cases roomier), priced too low, and offers "more standard equipment" than GS/A6/E/5? Wow.
Hey. Stop basing Acura like that.
Last edited by AZuser; 12-09-2012 at 05:39 PM.
12-09-2012, 06:05 PM
#3034
And those are bad thing, how?
First you try to tell us Genesis is terrible and a slow seller. When it's pointed out that it isn't really a slow seller and is actually selling pretty well, you try to convince us that the Genesis is terrible now because.....
it's bigger (and in some cases roomier), priced too low, and offers "more standard equipment" than GS/A6/E/5? Wow.
First you try to tell us Genesis is terrible and a slow seller. When it's pointed out that it isn't really a slow seller and is actually selling pretty well, you try to convince us that the Genesis is terrible now because.....
it's bigger (and in some cases roomier), priced too low, and offers "more standard equipment" than GS/A6/E/5? Wow.
Hey. Stop basing Acura like that.
see the real world use prices. 1 year old Genesis priced asking $23k. You cannnot get 4 cylinder TSX let alone V6 TSX used for this price.
http://www.revew.com/details/Used+20...=dublinhyundai
12-09-2012, 07:45 PM
#3036
You're right, it does. And it's not a very good one (currently).
Originally Posted by MotorTrend
Acura Struggles with Brand Identity
Acura's strategists are aware of the immediate crisis affecting it and have pledged to be more proactive with salvaging its image.
Honda’s premium marque has been doing business in the U.S. for close to three decades, but doing business hasn’t been easy in recent years. Many have expressed disdain over the sharp and angular Keen-Edge style, polarizing current and former enthusiasts who are more than prepared to lambast the brand for ditching its sporty, underdog roots in favor of chasing the masses.
Going after the upscale audience hasn’t paid significant dividends. Consumers have been very reluctant to place Acura on the same plane as its premium competitors, including the likes of BMW, Lexus, and Mercedes-Benz. There used to be a time when they were the plucky upstart you probably wouldn’t mind backing. Today, their image and cachet is even more dubious.
“Acura’s identity isn’t clear to many luxury buyers,” said Jesse Toprak, TrueCar’s industry trends and insights VP. “If I’m spending that kind of money, do I want an Acura, or a BMW or Benz? Acura simply doesn’t have the same prestige. Once you hit the $45,000-plus market, many buying decisions are based on image.”
http://wot.motortrend.com/acura-stru...#axzz2EbnK8e00
Acura's strategists are aware of the immediate crisis affecting it and have pledged to be more proactive with salvaging its image.
Honda’s premium marque has been doing business in the U.S. for close to three decades, but doing business hasn’t been easy in recent years. Many have expressed disdain over the sharp and angular Keen-Edge style, polarizing current and former enthusiasts who are more than prepared to lambast the brand for ditching its sporty, underdog roots in favor of chasing the masses.
Going after the upscale audience hasn’t paid significant dividends. Consumers have been very reluctant to place Acura on the same plane as its premium competitors, including the likes of BMW, Lexus, and Mercedes-Benz. There used to be a time when they were the plucky upstart you probably wouldn’t mind backing. Today, their image and cachet is even more dubious.
“Acura’s identity isn’t clear to many luxury buyers,” said Jesse Toprak, TrueCar’s industry trends and insights VP. “If I’m spending that kind of money, do I want an Acura, or a BMW or Benz? Acura simply doesn’t have the same prestige. Once you hit the $45,000-plus market, many buying decisions are based on image.”
http://wot.motortrend.com/acura-stru...#axzz2EbnK8e00
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12-09-2012, 07:45 PM
#3037
12-09-2012, 10:39 PM
#3038
I wouldn't put ES in same class as Genesis. As mentioned previously, GS would be a closer match which also happens to have 2000/month sales numbers. Same with Audi A6. And they've been on the market for a much longer period. Given the same number of years on the market as the GS and A6, Genesis sales will improve.
I have doubt even new Honda Accord V6 touring will so much discounted.
http://www.truecar.com/prices-new/hy...-pricing/2012/
for example RLX is BMW 5 series competitor because it is similarly priced. and there is pretty guaranteed that RLX will not devalue fast than any BMW.
here is your own link. It says Acura avg transaction prices are $5k less but it does not tell that Acura has more than $5k less technology and content on avg. with the least oppurtunity of customization and engine option with no free maintainance concept.
True Car found the average Acura transaction in November 2010 was around $5000 less than the next closest competing marque.
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12-09-2012, 11:41 PM
#3039
It's no different than when the Lexus LS came out in '89 to compete against the BMW 7 series and Mercedes S-class. The LS was also thousands less (i.e. "too much cut price") than its competitors.
Last edited by AZuser; 12-09-2012 at 11:50 PM.
12-10-2012, 06:41 AM
#3040
Race Director
