Hyundai: Azera/Grandeur News
02-07-2005, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TinkyWinky
I can't understand why they don't make a luxury division.
they are planning on it..within couple of years....
but hyundai has to get ppl to trust them first...
02-07-2005, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
What I am thinking is that hyundai is probably fevouresly working on a sporty line ala-AMG. That's what they need to do to gain even further respect. Can you imagine turbocharging the V6 on the Tiburon and adding the AWD from one of their SUVs in it? 300 HP running with the Evo and STi. Who'd be laughing then?
02-07-2005, 11:08 PM
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and they'll blow right past Honda... WTF Honda!?!
02-07-2005, 11:42 PM
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Hyundai's future luxury division will have me as one of its first buyers. These guys don't fuck around. They know exactly how to build a cheap, reliable car that can take abuse. The only reason it took em a couple of years to get their shit together in the US (they're already biggest in Asia) is poor management.
Their new executives have balls, as you can clearly see. A few years ago, we saw $9999 Hyundais and now they're putting navigation systems in their cars. They're growing faster than Toyota did, in its infancy. What's on their side is, they have case studies of what every car manufacturer has done right and wrong in history. German, Jap, whatever. Being the youngest has its advantages for Hyundai.
Their new executives have balls, as you can clearly see. A few years ago, we saw $9999 Hyundais and now they're putting navigation systems in their cars. They're growing faster than Toyota did, in its infancy. What's on their side is, they have case studies of what every car manufacturer has done right and wrong in history. German, Jap, whatever. Being the youngest has its advantages for Hyundai.
02-08-2005, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by goldmemberer
Hyundai's future luxury division will have me as one of its first buyers. These guys don't fuck around. They know exactly how to build a cheap, reliable car that can take abuse.
02-08-2005, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TinkyWinky
I can't understand why they don't make a luxury division.
Too fast of a growth rate is hurtful.
02-10-2005, 12:19 AM
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I had this discussion with my VW friends...
You know whose really REALLY shaking due to Hyundai's rise in the sedan market? Not Toyota... not Honda...
The US makers... think about this. Ford considers this the year of the sedan, yet their sedans are not up to par with the Honda's and Toyota's in terms of fit, finish, and quality. They would then figure "heck, we have rebates, it'll work"... but then Hyundai comes out of left field with a quality mid sized sedans (Sonota, XG) that beats their sedans (500, Fusion) in terms of price and now in quality (we'll wait on this a bit
). Chevy's in the same line... all the Buick sedans could be trumped by this one new player in the market.
So, when it all adds up, Ford might be the biggest loser in the year of the sedan... DC has it's 300 and Magnum, with the Charger coming. Chevy, at least, has Buick, which still tends to draw the older folks... Honda has it's loyal following... Toyota has it's name to fall back on... VW is euro cool... Hey, guess who's sedan looks boring, shares too many components with others in it's line, has cheap plastic all over it, is underpowered in the mid size catagory, and thinks it's a good car?
Ford is teh
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You know whose really REALLY shaking due to Hyundai's rise in the sedan market? Not Toyota... not Honda...
The US makers... think about this. Ford considers this the year of the sedan, yet their sedans are not up to par with the Honda's and Toyota's in terms of fit, finish, and quality. They would then figure "heck, we have rebates, it'll work"... but then Hyundai comes out of left field with a quality mid sized sedans (Sonota, XG) that beats their sedans (500, Fusion) in terms of price and now in quality (we'll wait on this a bit
). Chevy's in the same line... all the Buick sedans could be trumped by this one new player in the market.So, when it all adds up, Ford might be the biggest loser in the year of the sedan... DC has it's 300 and Magnum, with the Charger coming. Chevy, at least, has Buick, which still tends to draw the older folks... Honda has it's loyal following... Toyota has it's name to fall back on... VW is euro cool... Hey, guess who's sedan looks boring, shares too many components with others in it's line, has cheap plastic all over it, is underpowered in the mid size catagory, and thinks it's a good car?
Ford is teh
...Junkster, who thinks Ford better go back to the drawing board
02-10-2005, 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Junkster
I had this discussion with my VW friends...
You know whose really REALLY shaking due to Hyundai's rise in the sedan market? Not Toyota... not Honda...
The US makers... think about this. Ford considers this the year of the sedan, yet their sedans are not up to par with the Honda's and Toyota's in terms of fit, finish, and quality. They would then figure "heck, we have rebates, it'll work"... but then Hyundai comes out of left field with a quality mid sized sedans (Sonota, XG) that beats their sedans (500, Fusion) in terms of price and now in quality (we'll wait on this a bit). Chevy's in the same line... all the Buick sedans could be trumped by this one new player in the market.
So, when it all adds up, Ford might be the biggest loser in the year of the sedan... DC has it's 300 and Magnum, with the Charger coming. Chevy, at least, has Buick, which still tends to draw the older folks... Honda has it's loyal following... Toyota has it's name to fall back on... VW is euro cool... Hey, guess who's sedan looks boring, shares too many components with others in it's line, has cheap plastic all over it, is underpowered in the mid size catagory, and thinks it's a good car?
Ford is teh...
Junkster, who thinks Ford better go back to the drawing board
You know whose really REALLY shaking due to Hyundai's rise in the sedan market? Not Toyota... not Honda...
The US makers... think about this. Ford considers this the year of the sedan, yet their sedans are not up to par with the Honda's and Toyota's in terms of fit, finish, and quality. They would then figure "heck, we have rebates, it'll work"... but then Hyundai comes out of left field with a quality mid sized sedans (Sonota, XG) that beats their sedans (500, Fusion) in terms of price and now in quality (we'll wait on this a bit
). Chevy's in the same line... all the Buick sedans could be trumped by this one new player in the market.So, when it all adds up, Ford might be the biggest loser in the year of the sedan... DC has it's 300 and Magnum, with the Charger coming. Chevy, at least, has Buick, which still tends to draw the older folks... Honda has it's loyal following... Toyota has it's name to fall back on... VW is euro cool... Hey, guess who's sedan looks boring, shares too many components with others in it's line, has cheap plastic all over it, is underpowered in the mid size catagory, and thinks it's a good car?
Ford is teh
...Junkster, who thinks Ford better go back to the drawing board
...that are only avaliable overseas. Like the Mondeo's, Focus C-max/Focus II, and Turbo Ford Falcons. They just need to bring those over here.
02-10-2005, 04:51 AM
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hehehehhehe....I have been talking abou this for years. Now its coming true. The only thing is that I see boatloads of Korean cars all over the road. But they have such a small dealership network. How the hell are they selling so many cars with so little dealers?
02-10-2005, 05:28 AM
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02-10-2005, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Junkster
... all the Buick sedans could be trumped by this one new player in the market.
Buick makes very high quality sedans. They're not exciting, but you won't complain about they're fit/finish.
02-10-2005, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by titan
Buick makes very high quality sedans. They're not exciting, but you won't complain about they're fit/finish.
and i doubt that hyundai will reach that level of quality/fit-finish any time soon, but they are getting there.
02-10-2005, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by stangg172004
and i doubt that hyundai will reach that level of quality/fit-finish any time soon, but they are getting there.
02-10-2005, 10:38 AM
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Here' some more pics...man this thing will be huge! These photos are everywhere, as if this will be a turning stone for the Korean car companies. Its so long awaited too.
02-10-2005, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by titan
Buick makes very high quality sedans. They're not exciting, but you won't complain about they're fit/finish.
hehe... you know what car has the least number of problems in the first year of ownership? The Regal... it's frightening.
Their fit and finish in the newer models don't look as good as the previous models. The shared components with other badges is now expanding to their dash, which can't help.
Buick will sell for a bit longer, but they need to find new buyers... their buyers are dying out.
Junkster, who thinks Caddie did the smart thing by appealling to a younger market
02-10-2005, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by stangg172004
and i doubt that hyundai will reach that level of quality/fit-finish any time soon, but they are getting there.I think the jump to meet the competitor's level is only one more model change away.
Junkster, who thinks US fit and finish isn't that hard to live up to
02-10-2005, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Junkster
hehe... you know what car has the least number of problems in the first year of ownership? The Regal... it's frightening.
Their fit and finish in the newer models don't look as good as the previous models. The shared components with other badges is now expanding to their dash, which can't help.
Buick will sell for a bit longer, but they need to find new buyers... their buyers are dying out.
Junkster, who thinks Caddie did the smart thing by appealling to a younger market
02-10-2005, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by titan
Not that horrible Terraza minivan with SUV styling...
Yea, what's up with that joke of a van?
Junkster, who thinks the rebadging really hurts GM
02-10-2005, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MADCAT
Here' some more pics...man this thing will be huge! These photos are everywhere, as if this will be a turning stone for the Korean car companies. Its so long awaited too.
02-15-2005, 11:07 AM
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Right on cue...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6953362/
There's no way people are buying those Fords without an incentive.
Junkster, who think Ford has bombed on this sedan thing
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6953362/
There's no way people are buying those Fords without an incentive.
Junkster, who think Ford has bombed on this sedan thing
02-18-2005, 12:27 PM
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This is a definite step in the right direction. The previous XG did offer a lot for the $ but failed to deliver in the looks department. This car seems to have taken the bang for the buck quotient to a higher level and improved the looks too. Build it and price it right and this thing will sell. Now if I can only get past the fact that it is a Hyundai - I never got over the whole "pony" thing. AHHHH!! I just had another daymare of it!!!!.
02-18-2005, 04:19 PM
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Why is it 3.3L? I thought the current XG uses a 3.5L...doesn't seem right to go lower for the new model...
02-18-2005, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Junkster
Is it just me, or does that look weirdly out of center?
Junksta, who wonders how that works for balance
Junksta, who wonders how that works for balance
Anyway, that could be why. A normal longitudinally mounted engine would be able to be centered for balance.
This is weird though I think older Porsches and VW Beetles were like this.
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