Hummer: H1 News

Old 04-29-2003, 12:08 PM
  #1  
Moderator Alumnus
Thread Starter
 
gavriil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Washington DC (NOVA)
Age: 52
Posts: 16,399
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Hummer: H1 News

By K.C. CRAIN | Automotive News

Soldiers aren't the only ones who can see in the dark.

Now, wannabe desert raiders who own the civilian Hummer H1 can buy a night vision system similar to the unit used in the military Humvee.

Raytheon Commercial Infared, a business unit of Raytheon Co., has designed a $5,000 system called Nightdriver that can be installed at Hummer dealerships.

This is General Motors' second adoption of a Raytheon night vision system. The Cadillac DeVille has a factory-installed option that sells for $2,750.

Nightdriver allows motorists to see objects in the road up to 1,500 feet away. But it does not have the resolution or range of its military cousin, which can spot a vehicle up to 3,960 feet away.

Raytheon's thermal imaging technology senses heat emitted from objects, then produces an infared image of the scene. The objects' heat signatures are converted into shades of black and white. So a car with the engine running will have a brighter image than a parked vehicle.

The images are displayed on a mirror mounted from the Hummer's headliner, within the driver's peripheral view. The driver would use it the way he uses a rear-view mirror, glancing periodically at the screen to check for obstacles.

The military version - called the driver's vision enhancer - is the sole source of visual information for military drivers. In theory, a driver can use it to maneuver a Humvee off-road with the headlights turned off.

A flat-panel screen in front of the driver produces black-and-white images similar to those produced by the civilian version.

The DeVille's night-vision image is projected by the vehicle's head-up display. That display appears on the windshield, rather than on a drop-down mirror as in the Hummer.
Old 04-29-2003, 12:11 PM
  #2  
Moderator Alumnus
Thread Starter
 
gavriil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Washington DC (NOVA)
Age: 52
Posts: 16,399
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
That's pretty funny
Old 04-30-2003, 08:53 AM
  #3  
Race Director
 
Chaptorial's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 18,552
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
I'm sure Arnold and Gary Coleman will be thrilled.
Old 05-12-2006, 02:23 PM
  #4  
Senior Moderator
iTrader: (2)
 
fuzzy02CLS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: South FL
Age: 48
Posts: 16,847
Received 222 Likes on 183 Posts
Hummer H1 is dead

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060512/..._ge/goodbye_h1

At least for civilian use

Last edited by fuzzy02CLS; 05-12-2006 at 02:25 PM.
Old 05-12-2006, 02:25 PM
  #5  
fdl
Senior Moderator
 
fdl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Toronto
Age: 48
Posts: 21,672
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Old 05-12-2006, 02:27 PM
  #6  
The Oracle of Acurazine!
 
Teh Jatt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Fresno, CA
Age: 40
Posts: 28,706
Received 44 Likes on 12 Posts


now do the same with H2, H3
Old 05-12-2006, 02:40 PM
  #7  
Team Owner
iTrader: (1)
 
CGTSX2004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Beach Cities, CA
Posts: 24,299
Received 378 Likes on 198 Posts
So now, Hummer will officially become the poseur brand...
Old 05-12-2006, 02:52 PM
  #8  
Team Owner
iTrader: (1)
 
Sly Raskal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Fontana, California
Age: 47
Posts: 30,991
Received 582 Likes on 346 Posts
Originally Posted by Teh Jatt


now do the same with H2, H3
Old 05-12-2006, 03:01 PM
  #9  
Mile High
 
Crazy88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
Age: 39
Posts: 2,104
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
So now, Hummer will officially become the poseur brand...
What a fucking disgrace. They kill off the model that made Hummer, Hummer.
Old 05-12-2006, 03:18 PM
  #10  
Moderator Alumnus
 
SiGGy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Lenexa, KS
Age: 47
Posts: 9,263
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Sorry I was reading the article and this part made me laugh histerfically.

From the article:
The Hummer DNA still resides in the Humvee. ... It will always be the core from where we come."



Right, and umm what got carried on to the H2 or H3 from the H1? Similar looking wheels and body? umm thats about it... the rest is chevy tahoe (basically).

Not that anyone who could read between the lines of marketing ever took the H2 or H3 seriously anyway...
Old 05-12-2006, 03:21 PM
  #11  
on to the next one...
 
bgsm1th's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Mpls. MN
Age: 42
Posts: 4,872
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
While I understand the logic behind the discontinuation, they are, in essence, halting the offer of what makes a hummer a hummer. It's like discontinuing current Ferrari models, but offering the Fiero as a viable replacement....
Old 05-12-2006, 03:22 PM
  #12  
Tristate ViP Crew
 
CL Platano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: North Jersey
Age: 51
Posts: 14,089
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Thank god...Now get rid of the H2 and the cocky pricks who drive them.
Old 05-12-2006, 03:38 PM
  #13  
08 MDX with Sports
 
Newplay1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: NJ
Age: 44
Posts: 1,890
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
haha good, its like Honda saying we are not making 6spd no more.. or we are going to start using other manufactures engines in Hondas..
Old 05-12-2006, 04:23 PM
  #14  
One on the right for me
 
subinf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area, CA
Age: 40
Posts: 27,913
Received 271 Likes on 173 Posts
Fuck that sucks. Harpers actually wrote a pretty good article on the Hummer and a weekend excursion with a Hummer group. Though not directly comparing the different Hummers it made it very clear that H1>all other Hummers
Old 05-12-2006, 04:56 PM
  #15  
on to the next one...
 
bgsm1th's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Mpls. MN
Age: 42
Posts: 4,872
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by subinf
Harpers made it very clear that H1>all other Hummers
Old 05-12-2006, 06:32 PM
  #16  
One on the right for me
 
subinf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area, CA
Age: 40
Posts: 27,913
Received 271 Likes on 173 Posts
Originally Posted by bgsm1th

Old 05-12-2006, 07:06 PM
  #17  
Moderator Alumnus
Thread Starter
 
gavriil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Washington DC (NOVA)
Age: 52
Posts: 16,399
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
General Motors to End Hummer H1 Production - - By DAVID RUNK, Associated Press Writer - - Source: yahoo.com

DETROIT - Get ready to say goodbye to the Hummer H1, the hulking, gas-guzzling status symbol that has attracted celebrities and off-road enthusiasts but has drawn the ire of environmentalists.

General Motors Corp. said Friday that the 2006 model year will be the last for the H1, which has been the foundation for the automaker's Hummer brand. Based on the military's Humvee, the about 12,000 put on the road since 1992 defined the Hummer name.

"It's a reflection of where we're going with the Hummer brand," Hummer general manager Martin Walsh said of the decision. "The Hummer DNA still resides in the Humvee. ... It will always be the core from where we come."

GM expects the last H1s to be built next month.

Walsh said Hummer plans to focus on models with broader appeal instead of the niche-market H1. Since taking over the Hummer name in 2000, GM has introduced the still hefty H2 and a midsize H3 sport utility vehicle.

The H1 gets about 10 miles per gallon, but Walsh said rising gas prices didn't factor into GM's decision. He noted that H1 buyers typically have been less sensitive about gas prices than most other drivers.

Auto analyst Erich Merkle with the Grand Rapids consulting company IRN Inc. said the decision fits with steps GM has taken to bring the Hummer brand to more mainstream drivers with the H2 and H3.

"They're going to continue moving Hummer in that direction," Merkle said. "It's a great brand. There is a lot that can be done with that in terms of leveraging its ruggedness and toughness."

Merkle added that the kind of drivers who buy the H1 don't worry about things like gas prices.

"It's really one of those over-the-top vehicles," Merkle said. "It doesn't really have much of a place in everyday society. You can't put it in the parking ramps. Parking spaces can't accommodate it."

The H1 attracted well-heeled drivers looking for a military-style vehicle with an intimidating stance. For the 2006 model year, the H1 was offered as a high-performance H1 Alpha that costs about $130,000 to $140,000. The 2004 model year H1 sold at a base price of about $106,000.

The vehicle first was marketed to the public as the Hummer in 1992 by AM General, which also makes the military version. Under a 1999 deal, GM bought marketing rights to the Hummer name and called the vehicle the Hummer H1.

Hummers often have been associated with celebrities who owned them, such as actor Arnold Schwarzenegger. He was AM General's first civilian customer, buying a custom-made conversion of the military model as well as civilian production models.

Schwarzenegger once owned a fleet of Hummers but now has just three. The California governor's aides say he rarely drives them anymore.

The Hummer's critics include the Sierra Club, which has faulted the vehicle for its bulk and poor gas mileage. Dan Becker, director of the Sierra Club's global warming program, welcomed the news, which comes as Congress tackles fuel economy standards and some drivers face $3 gas prices.

"The timing is pretty amazing," Becker said.

Last year, GM sold 374 H1s, down 16 percent from 447 in 2004.

GM is working to turn around its North American automotive operations and this week announced its first quarterly profit since 2004. Last year it announced plans to cut 30,000 jobs and close 12 facilities by 2008. It also has stockpiled parts in case workers at supplier Delphi Corp. go on strike.

AM General, which builds the H1, H2 and Humvee in Mishawaka, Ind., said it doesn't plan to cut any jobs as a result of the decision. It said workers there were expected to be shifted to military production.

With the war in Iraq, the end of H1 production comes at a time when military demand for Humvee has increased, said AM General spokesman Craig MacNab. Publicity surrounding the Humvee in the Persian Gulf War — and the drop in military demand afterward — helped lead to the civilian model.

"The military production is way up, the civilian production is way down," MacNab said. "You can't make a business case for making any investment in the civilian vehicle. ... It's a good time to stop."
Old 05-12-2006, 07:22 PM
  #18  
Not Registered
 
Bdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Virginia
Age: 52
Posts: 5,829
Received 87 Likes on 49 Posts
Originally Posted by Teh Jatt


now do the same with H2, H3
Originally Posted by Sly Raskal

Old 05-12-2006, 07:24 PM
  #19  
Safety Car
 
heyitsme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: philly
Posts: 4,426
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Leftlanenews posted this a week ago about the H1 going bye bye.

Like this was a surprise or even an issue. It was never a civilian vehicle, barely if at all fit in a lane.

As far as vision at night, like in the rain or with a patchy bright street after a snow from a half ass salt/plow job or even rain most of the time. Most of the time, that’s all it takes to wash street lines out completely - rain, a lot of lines become non-existent unless there are reflectors built in.

I'd pay $3500 for the night vision on an entry-level class of car. Almost retarded that car makers don't cash in on this huge market- the market that lower end car buyers want high-end tech features in their shit boxes.
Old 05-12-2006, 08:23 PM
  #20  
Safety Car
 
heyitsme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: philly
Posts: 4,426
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Crazy88
What a fucking disgrace. They kill off the model that made Hummer, Hummer.
Jeep made a Wrangler called Rubicon that could have very easily been passed off as nothing. Except that it owns an H1 at every game the H1 is known for, figure that.

Sure, go offroad for fun and think you will find trails as wide as a UPS trucks etc for your H1. You're the type of offroad driver that thinks streets are your right. Follow us into the woods for more rights, while the rest run the circuit.

Last edited by heyitsme; 05-12-2006 at 08:25 PM.
Old 05-12-2006, 09:16 PM
  #21  
Suzuka Master
 
Ashburner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Outside Houston
Age: 45
Posts: 6,034
Received 10 Likes on 6 Posts
This is kinda sad... it's the end of an era. Sure they aren't economical, but at 374 of them a year, who gives a shit. They are cool to look at.
Old 05-12-2006, 09:59 PM
  #22  
Senior Moderator
 
mattg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: OR
Age: 48
Posts: 22,909
Received 388 Likes on 196 Posts
Old 05-12-2006, 11:08 PM
  #23  
Team Owner
iTrader: (1)
 
CGTSX2004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Beach Cities, CA
Posts: 24,299
Received 378 Likes on 198 Posts
Originally Posted by heyitsme
Jeep made a Wrangler called Rubicon that could have very easily been passed off as nothing. Except that it owns an H1 at every game the H1 is known for, figure that.

Sure, go offroad for fun and think you will find trails as wide as a UPS trucks etc for your H1. You're the type of offroad driver that thinks streets are your right. Follow us into the woods for more rights, while the rest run the circuit.
Huh??

He was just saying that the H1 was the true Hummer, based off the military platform as the original Hummer was intended to be. Not saying it's a good vehicle for anything in particular, just saying that it was what defined the brand.
Old 05-13-2006, 12:38 AM
  #24  
hail to the victors
 
chungkopi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: chicago
Age: 44
Posts: 3,498
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
werd.


i spot more ferrari's than H1. H1 was da baddest of them all.
Old 05-13-2006, 07:59 AM
  #25  
Moderator Alumnus
 
SiGGy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Lenexa, KS
Age: 47
Posts: 9,263
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by heyitsme
Jeep made a Wrangler called Rubicon that could have very easily been passed off as nothing. Except that it owns an H1 at every game the H1 is known for, figure that.

Sure, go offroad for fun and think you will find trails as wide as a UPS trucks etc for your H1. You're the type of offroad driver that thinks streets are your right. Follow us into the woods for more rights, while the rest run the circuit.


That's not true. The H1 would do a lot of things off road the Rubicon yuppie loaded wranger wouldn't. The rubicon was basically a fully upgraded saraha /w standard options. It's not like it's a lifted modifed CJ 5/7 or anything with a nice 408.

You sure you aren't referring to the H2 or the H3?

There is a reason our military stopped using the jeep and went with the H1 (humvee)


Off the top of my head...

H1 has way better ground clearance
it's differentials are built into the wheel hub
brakes are offset into the center of the rear end diff for clearance.
it doesn't have a solid rear axle like the jeepy
An on demand tire pressure system good for mud/sand/whatever
way better torque for climbing
better brakes
snorkle thats 4'= off the ground for river crossing...
sealed doors
...

I could keep going...

Albeit there is a few places the rubicon could go the H1 couldn't but that's a size/weight issue. The H1 wouldn't school the jeepy most places.
Old 05-13-2006, 08:11 AM
  #26  
Senior Moderator
 
F23A4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Age: 55
Posts: 17,884
Received 1,659 Likes on 926 Posts
Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
...should do wonders for Hummer's CAFE performance. Good riddance.
Old 05-13-2006, 09:27 AM
  #27  
GEEZER
 
1killercls's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Dunedin, Fla.
Posts: 44,441
Received 2,214 Likes on 1,418 Posts
Old 05-13-2006, 10:41 PM
  #28  
Safety Car
 
heyitsme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: philly
Posts: 4,426
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by SiGGy
That's not true. The H1 would do a lot of things off road the Rubicon yuppie loaded wranger wouldn't. The rubicon was basically a fully upgraded saraha /w standard options. It's not like it's a lifted modifed CJ 5/7 or anything with a nice 408.

You sure you aren't referring to the H2 or the H3?

There is a reason our military stopped using the jeep and went with the H1 (humvee)


Off the top of my head...

H1 has way better ground clearance
it's differentials are built into the wheel hub
brakes are offset into the center of the rear end diff for clearance.
it doesn't have a solid rear axle like the jeepy
An on demand tire pressure system good for mud/sand/whatever
way better torque for climbing
better brakes
snorkle thats 4'= off the ground for river crossing...
sealed doors
...

I could keep going...

Albeit there is a few places the rubicon could go the H1 couldn't but that's a size/weight issue. The H1 wouldn't school the jeepy most places.
Does anything you posted have any impact on a Rubicons performance against an H1 whatsoever.

If anything, I can see the H1 still losing based off a terrain test. I'd love to see the comparison between the two. Sure, a 2-door jeep really doesn't have the capacity of a 4 door vehicle like the humvee, but maybe the new 4-door wrangler will change that. Any reason the military stopped using the jeep has nothing to do with the 2007 rubicon and is completely obsolete at this point.

I'd love to see the H1 do things the 'ruppie rubicon' couldn't. What is the humvee a lifted out the ass modified h1?

Time for the list..
Off the top of my head...

"H1 has way better ground clearance."

Ground clearance is modified by wheel size, can't see how that downgrades the Jeep.

"it's differentials are built into the wheel hub"

So?

"brakes are offset into the center of the rear end diff for clearance."

So? Again.

"it doesn't have a solid rear axle like the jeepy."

Is that a positive? Is that better than a Dana 44 Axle.

"An on demand tire pressure system good for mud/sand/whatever"

bla bla, if you have a flat in Saudi Arabia, you have a flat in the middle of no where period.

"way better torque for climbing"

Thats a diesel engine, but I have to ask what is being climbed in any country that needs massive torque, but we also have to consider weight vs. torque.

"better brakes"
Humvee has 12"brakes, 07 rubi has 16".

"snorkle thats 4'= off the ground for river crossing...sealed doors"

Wrangler has snorkles available for couple hundred that pretty much have the whole vehilcle under water. But lets talk standard abilities- Humvee can ford 30in. of water without a kit, a rubi can ford 40in standard.
Old 05-13-2006, 11:03 PM
  #29  
The Oracle of Acurazine!
 
Teh Jatt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Fresno, CA
Age: 40
Posts: 28,706
Received 44 Likes on 12 Posts
Originally Posted by 1killercls
beers on you old guy!
Old 05-14-2006, 09:58 AM
  #30  
Kabachitare!
 
kansaiwalker1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 936
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
good riddance!
Old 05-14-2006, 01:06 PM
  #31  
woooo!!
 
subtledreamer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: California
Posts: 2,985
Likes: 0
Received 20 Likes on 14 Posts
This is good news!!
Old 05-14-2006, 06:07 PM
  #32  
Midnight Marauder
 
jwong77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 741
Received 54 Likes on 40 Posts
I wonder if this means they'll get some variant of the new Escalade/Tahoe/whatever it is that GMC sells.
Old 08-22-2006, 11:00 AM
  #33  
Senior Moderator
 
Yumcha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 167,198
Received 22,626 Likes on 13,878 Posts
Post Hasta la vista, Hummer



'The Hummer H1 was complete, unadulterated, super-sized crap'

Oil companies of the world, weep into your panda-skin hankies because the Hummer H1 is dead. After 14 years as the most conspicuous symbol of Americans' foolish fixation with SUVs that can comfortably crush anything up to and including downtown Chicago, the world's dumbest 4x4 has been killed off.

When last year's sales total dropped below the 400 mark, even George W could have done the maths - America didn't want the H1 any more. Least of all Arnold Schwarzenegger, the man who first persuaded Am General that a hulking piece of military hardware might be turned into a splendid way for civilians to get to the mall.

Turns out that the Governator of California has become an unexpected greenie, kicking off his '06 re-election campaign by making pro-environment speeches and driving around in a battle bus covered in pictures of trees. With gas prices rising fast and Arnie suddenly pre-occupied by clean air and leaves, the H1 was sunk.

And unless you have shares in an XXL garage-door maker, that's an entirely good thing because the Hummer H1 was complete, unadulterated, super-sized crap.

Even the military version, which remains in production, was badly designed. Or at least, the ones that led the invasion of Iraq were, chiefly because the armour plating between the top of the door and the edge of the roof was made from a well-known bullet repellent called 'fresh air'.

The civvy version was more useless, being too huge even for vast American roads and yet inexplicably tiny on the inside. It was crass, arrogant, crude and blessed with the mechanical refinement of a cement mixer full of snooker balls.

It was the star of lousy movies and the preferred transport of lousy stars. Chris Eubank had one, for Christ's sake.

It was a lazy, lumpen, nasty waste of too much space that just gave Jonathan Porritt and his American equivalents a bloody great stick with which to beat the car in general.

But not any more because at last the Hummer H1 has gone. And good riddance.
Old 09-25-2018, 03:49 PM
  #34  
Moderator
 
00TL-P3.2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Spring, TX
Age: 38
Posts: 25,634
Received 5,281 Likes on 3,620 Posts
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/09/24/...1-track-ready/

Mil-Spec is one of the latest companies looking for success with restored and modified versions of iconic vehicles. Rather than Porsche 911s or '60s trucks and SUVs, its canvases are Hummer H1s. The customer vehicles are big, brash off-road machines, but that's not all the company is capable of. We recently learned that the crew over there built a Hummer H1 meant for race track use, and it is amazing.

The base vehicle is a four-door convertible pickup truck, and Mil-Spec thoroughly changed the suspension. It has custom coilovers with stiff springs, and the entire suspension geometry has been revised. Overall, it was lowered a stunning seven inches compared with a stock H1. The H1's in-board brakes now feature six-piston brake calipers, and the wheels are wrapped in low-profile Pirelli P-Zero tires. Also impressive is the fact that the truck still has a part-time four-wheel-drive system.

Under the hood is a 6.6-liter Duramax diesel V8 similar to that in the customer models. But this one has been tuned all the way up to 800 horsepower and 1,500 pound-feet of torque. This engine also plays a role in this truck's origins. Apparently the truck was used for final powertrain testing and development. But it was also built to highlight the company's capabilities.

If you want one of these, well, you can't have one. At least not yet. We asked a Mil-Spec representative, and he told us that there are no plans for offering track-oriented H1s. That's understandable, since the company is still working through building and selling its initial run of 12 off-road-ready vehicles. He did say the truck has generated a lot of interest, though. So, maybe when the company has time, and if a really wealthy buyer reallywanted one, maybe the Mil-Spec could work something out. But at least in the meantime, the company is sticking to tall, chunky-tired H1s.



Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Yumcha
Automotive News
15
01-17-2008 06:46 PM
Yumcha
Car Talk
7
10-11-2007 07:21 AM
gavriil
Automotive News
39
11-25-2006 01:15 PM
gavriil
Automotive News
9
07-23-2006 11:53 AM
gavriil
Automotive News
128
07-03-2006 01:19 PM


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: Hummer: H1 News



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:33 AM.