Honda: Recall News
10-19-2009, 01:06 PM
#126
Suzuka Master
I never got this notice....what the hell.
eDIT: Just checked on the Acura owners link and nothing ist here about this either.
eDIT: Just checked on the Acura owners link and nothing ist here about this either.
Last edited by mcflyguy24; 10-19-2009 at 01:09 PM.
about this
02-09-2010, 06:35 PM
#128
Safety Car
Expansion
7 mins ago
DETROIT – Honda Motor Co. is adding more than 378,000 cars to an existing safety recall for air bag inflation problems, the company said Tuesday.
The company will replace the driver's side air bag inflator on the cars because they can deploy with too much pressure, causing the inflator to rupture and injure or kill the driver.
The recall now affects more than 822,000 vehicles, including certain 2001 and 2002 Accord sedans, Civic compacts, Odyssey minivans, CR-V small sport utility vehicles and some 2002 Acura TL sedans.
Honda said it is aware of 12 incidents linked to the problem, with 11 injuries and one death. The company said it is not aware of any problems happening after July 2009.
"However, we have concluded that we cannot be completely certain that the driver's air bag inflator in the vehicles being added to this recall at this time will perform as designed," Honda said in a statement.
Honda's announcement comes at a time of increased attention on automotive recalls. Though the problems are unrelated, rival Toyota Motor Corp. in the process of recalling more than 8 million cars and trucks due to faulty gas pedals. On Tuesday, Toyota said it would recall more than 440,000 of its flagship 2010 Prius hybrids due to a braking glitch.
"There is a heightened sensitivity right to anything to do with recalls," said John Mendel, executive vice president of sales for American Honda.
Honda originally announced the recall to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in November of 2008, involving fewer than 4,000 2001 Accords and Civics, the company said. The recall was expanded in July of 2009 to 440,000 vehicles including the 2001 and 2002 Accord and Civic, as well as certain 2002 Acura TL sedans.
Worldwide, Honda has recalled about 514,000 vehicles globally due to the airbag problem. The company said it would make issue a press release at 11 a.m. Wednesday in Tokyo (9 p.m. Tuesday EST) about how many vehicles are affected worldwide by the latest recall expansion.
Company officials said the airbag produces too much pressure that can cause the inflator to rupture, sending metal fragments toward the driver.
Honda says owners should take their vehicles to dealerships as soon as they are notified by the company in writing. Notification will begin during the month of February.
02-09-2010, 06:38 PM
#129
The sizzle in the Steak
822,000?!?!?
...and the Oddy is on now on the list.....another kick in the teeth for the old "high quality" Oddy.
...and the Oddy is on now on the list.....another kick in the teeth for the old "high quality" Oddy.
02-09-2010, 08:03 PM
#130
I drive a Subata.
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Japanese getting pwned..
02-10-2010, 07:02 AM
#133
Safety Car
Sensitivity
Honda's expansion of its global recall for faulty air bags suggests automakers are turning cautious amid consumer scrutiny of Toyota's safety lapses, a trend that could see more recalls in the coming months.
Honda Motor Co., Japan's No. 2 automaker, said Wednesday it was recalling an additional 437,000 cars globally, bringing its 15 month-old recall to nearly 1 million vehicles.
Intense criticism of Toyota Motor Corp. that it was too slow to acknowledge problems and come clean with consumers before recalls involving over 8 million vehicles has Japanese corporate chieftains wanting to do everything they can to avoid a similar fate.
"No one wants to be Akio Toyoda," said Kurt Sanger, an analyst at Deutsche Securities in Tokyo, referring to Toyota's president who has apologized repeatedly for his company's woes.
"You're seeing the down side of not doing it," Sanger said of Toyota's recent reluctance to recall vehicles. Automakers are "obviously going to be motivated to be more aggressive on these things."
Showing the chastening effect of bad publicity, Toyota on Wednesday declined to accept a Japanese government energy efficiency award given to its Prius hybrid, saying the honor is not appropriate for a car hit by massive recalls.
Nissan Motor Co. is clearly on guard. The company understands the need to "make maximum efforts toward safety and quality," said Chief Operating Officer Toshiyuki Shiga on Tuesday, when asked about how his company might be affected by woes at rival Toyota.
"With this crisis, if you will, as a catalyst, we want to further accelerate those efforts and we want to exert even greater caution," Shiga said.
Honda's expanded recall came a day after Toyota said it would recall nearly 440,000 of its flagship 2010 Prius cars and other hybrids due to a braking glitch -- further damaging its once sterling image.
Since November last year the world's No. 1 automaker has recalled nearly 8.5 million vehicles for faults that include floor mats that can entangle the gas pedal and gas pedals that can stick, causing sudden acceleration.
Toyota faces more scrutiny next week, when Yoshimi Inaba, head of the automaker's North American operations, will be grilled in a congressional hearing called to examine the spate of safety problems.
Honda acknowledges heightened sensitivity among consumers about recalls -- but denies that the expanded recall was driven by outside factors, said Natsuno Asanuma, manager of public relations at Honda in Tokyo.
"We are following the normal procedure, so it doesn't mean customers' feelings changed our attitude," she said. "There are strict regulations regarding recalls."
Still, analysts predict that automakers will err on the side of caution given all the bad publicity Toyota has received, including accusations that it covered up some problems -- which the company denies.
Problems that in the past were dealt with by a service campaign notifying owners to drop by the repair shop at their convenience may be raised to the level of full-fledged recalls, they say.
"All automakers are going to be wary about this," said Ryouichi Saito, analyst at Mizuho Investors Securities in Tokyo. "They're going to be quicker to announce recalls about anything that even appears fishy."
Honda's expanded recall for air bags includes 378,000 cars in the U.S., some 41,000 cars in Canada and 17,000 cars in Japan, Australia and elsewhere in Asia. It includes certain 2001 and 2002 Accord sedans, Civic compacts, Odyssey minivans, CR-V small sport utility vehicles and some 2002 Acura TL sedans.
Honda said it will replace the driver's side air bag inflator in the cars because they can deploy with too much pressure, causing the inflator to rupture and injure or kill the driver. Honda said it is aware of 12 incidents linked to the problem -- one death in May 2009 and 11 injuries. The company said it is not aware of any problems happening after July 2009.
Since it first announced the recall to the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in November 2008, a total of 952,118 vehicles have been recalled.
Honda decided to expand the recall after a company investigation determined that more cars might contain defective air bag inflators, made by supplier Takata Corp., based in Tokyo.
"It took time to come to that conclusion because we had to do many tests," said Honda's Asanuma. The company has tried all along to "communicate everything we have found out," she said.
Last month, Honda recalled 646,000 Fit hatchbacks worldwide because of a glitch that could cause water to enter the power window mechanism, causing components to overheat.
Recalls are a regular occurrence in the auto industry, but they are getting more attention now because Toyota's recalls have been so big -- startling for a company's with reputation for quality.
"Every automaker knows they're lucky not to be in Toyota's situation right now," said Sanger.
02-10-2010, 07:16 AM
#134
Race Director
You can assume this would not have happened if it were not for Toyota's issues. You would only find out about this issue after an accident. And even then, the issue of a too forceful an air bag deployment is rather subjective.
02-11-2010, 07:45 PM
#136
Banned
How do they determine 'certain' models? Different airbags installed in the same year and model during a production run?
We have a 02 CRV. Our VIN doesn't come up on the site, but I don't know when they will have added all the VIN numbers.
We have a 02 CRV. Our VIN doesn't come up on the site, but I don't know when they will have added all the VIN numbers.
02-12-2010, 06:27 AM
#139
GO RANGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I called Acura Corp yesterday. They acknowledge numerous year Accords are included but claim Same year Acuras are not.
03-16-2010, 01:31 PM
#140
Senior Moderator
Honda: VSA Modulator Recall
03/16/2010 - TORRANCE, Calif. -
Honda will recall approximately 344,000 Odyssey and 68,000 Element vehicles from the 2007-2008 model years in the U.S. to modify the Vehicle Stability Assist™ (VSA®) modulator. Honda has received customer complaints of brake pedals that feel "soft" or that gradually exhibit a pedal height that gets lower (closer to the floor) before the vehicle stops. In affected vehicles, this condition tends to very slowly increase over time.
Some VSA modulators were assembled in a manner that could allow air intrusion, making it possible for air to enter the modulator during the VSA self-check mode. While only a miniscule amount of air can enter the system during each check, over a period of months or years, the air will accumulate and can result in the "soft brake pedal" or "low brake pedal" condition symptoms associated with this issue. Although not all vehicles being recalled are affected by this issue, we are recalling all possible units to assure all customers that their vehicles will perform correctly.
Honda is announcing this recall to encourage all owners of these vehicles to take their vehicle to an authorized dealer as soon as they receive notification from Honda that their vehicle is affected. Notification to customers will start at the end of April.
Once owners of these vehicles receive written notification of this recall from Honda, they should contact their authorized Honda dealer to schedule an appointment for repair. When Honda identifies concerns of this nature, nothing is more important to the company than fulfilling our obligation and responsibility to alert our customers. To this end in addition to contacting customers by mail, after April 19, 2010, owners of these vehicles will be able to determine if their vehicle requires repair by going on-line or calling. Honda owners can go to www.recalls.honda.com or call (800) 999-1009, and select option 4.
Honda will recall approximately 344,000 Odyssey and 68,000 Element vehicles from the 2007-2008 model years in the U.S. to modify the Vehicle Stability Assist™ (VSA®) modulator. Honda has received customer complaints of brake pedals that feel "soft" or that gradually exhibit a pedal height that gets lower (closer to the floor) before the vehicle stops. In affected vehicles, this condition tends to very slowly increase over time.
Some VSA modulators were assembled in a manner that could allow air intrusion, making it possible for air to enter the modulator during the VSA self-check mode. While only a miniscule amount of air can enter the system during each check, over a period of months or years, the air will accumulate and can result in the "soft brake pedal" or "low brake pedal" condition symptoms associated with this issue. Although not all vehicles being recalled are affected by this issue, we are recalling all possible units to assure all customers that their vehicles will perform correctly.
Honda is announcing this recall to encourage all owners of these vehicles to take their vehicle to an authorized dealer as soon as they receive notification from Honda that their vehicle is affected. Notification to customers will start at the end of April.
Once owners of these vehicles receive written notification of this recall from Honda, they should contact their authorized Honda dealer to schedule an appointment for repair. When Honda identifies concerns of this nature, nothing is more important to the company than fulfilling our obligation and responsibility to alert our customers. To this end in addition to contacting customers by mail, after April 19, 2010, owners of these vehicles will be able to determine if their vehicle requires repair by going on-line or calling. Honda owners can go to www.recalls.honda.com or call (800) 999-1009, and select option 4.
The nightmare that is my 07 Ody continues.
03-16-2010, 01:40 PM
#141
Suzuka Master
I've had the very same issue on my 08 and ended up taking it in for a TSB. Pedal felt firmer but that only lasted a month or so.
03-16-2010, 01:55 PM
#143
Back in the mid-nineties, Honda was unique in building their own ABS modulators. One of the problems they had on those early Legends was that the actuator valves with seize due to lack of usage. (how often did a Legend driver engage ABS?)
The solution for this was too perform "a self test" that rapidly agitated the valves every time you started the car. This was/is the now familiar hum that we all hear every time we start our cars. This technology was introduced around 1998 and is the self test procedure that appears to be allowing some air into the system.
The solution for this was too perform "a self test" that rapidly agitated the valves every time you started the car. This was/is the now familiar hum that we all hear every time we start our cars. This technology was introduced around 1998 and is the self test procedure that appears to be allowing some air into the system.
03-17-2010, 06:03 AM
#144
AZ Community Team
Back in the mid-nineties, Honda was unique in building their own ABS modulators. One of the problems they had on those early Legends was that the actuator valves with seize due to lack of usage. (how often did a Legend driver engage ABS?)
The solution for this was too perform "a self test" that rapidly agitated the valves every time you started the car. This was/is the now familiar hum that we all hear every time we start our cars. This technology was introduced around 1998 and is the self test procedure that appears to be allowing some air into the system.
The solution for this was too perform "a self test" that rapidly agitated the valves every time you started the car. This was/is the now familiar hum that we all hear every time we start our cars. This technology was introduced around 1998 and is the self test procedure that appears to be allowing some air into the system.
, yup the 1G Legend's had separate assemblies for the ABS brake fluid pump, accumulator, and modulator. You needed two special bleeder tools to bleed the ABS system. One was a special socket with a brake fluid resevior, and the other was a electronic tool that would open/close the pressure increase/decrease valves.And yes, there was no self test so over time if teh ABS was not bleed properly the hyperbolic brake fluid would absorb water and corrode the valves resulting in the ABS modulator to loose pressure casuing the ABS pressure pump to run for a long time eventually tripping the ABS diagnostic light.
All the modern Honda/Acura's run a quick ABS Built In Test Fault Isolation Test (BIT/FIT) that also allows the brake fluid to circulate and not get stale in the ABS modulator.
I triee to bleed my 1G Legend brakes without the special bleeder socket and wound up spraying under higher pressure brake fluid all over the drivetrain.
03-17-2010, 08:47 AM
#145
Burning Brakes
My parents were always complaining about their brakes and when I took their 07 Ody in for service, the dealership couldn't do anything about it.
I guess it's about time.
I guess it's about time.
04-07-2010, 02:40 PM
#146
The sizzle in the Steak
Report: Honda settles class-action brake lawsuit
Honda will settle a class-action lawsuit involving prematurely wearing rear brakes, a new report finds. Filed last September, the class-action lawsuit claims the rear brakes on late model Honda Accord and Acura TSX models would fail in as little as 15,000 miles.
The lawsuit covers 2008-2009 model year Honda Accords and 2009 model year Acura TSX models. A small number of 2010 models are also included in the suit.
The lawsuit claims the rear brakes on affected models prematurely wear out between 15,000 and 20,000 miles. Honda’s rear brakes are advertised to last up to 70,000 miles. Moreover, Honda has refused to foot the bill for the early-wearing brakes.
Although the settlement admits no guilt on Honda’s part, it should make life a little easier for Accord and TSX owners. Per the terms of the settlement, Honda will reimburse owners half of the cost of past brake jobs, with a maximum payout of $125. Honda will also shell out $150 per vehicle to upgrade the car’s braking system, although some owners will have to cough up and additional $10-$20 for the upgrade job.
The lawsuit covers 2008-2009 model year Honda Accords and 2009 model year Acura TSX models. A small number of 2010 models are also included in the suit.
The lawsuit claims the rear brakes on affected models prematurely wear out between 15,000 and 20,000 miles. Honda’s rear brakes are advertised to last up to 70,000 miles. Moreover, Honda has refused to foot the bill for the early-wearing brakes.
Although the settlement admits no guilt on Honda’s part, it should make life a little easier for Accord and TSX owners. Per the terms of the settlement, Honda will reimburse owners half of the cost of past brake jobs, with a maximum payout of $125. Honda will also shell out $150 per vehicle to upgrade the car’s braking system, although some owners will have to cough up and additional $10-$20 for the upgrade job.
Wow so generous of Honda.How about your :turdtastic: front brakes Honda?
04-07-2010, 04:42 PM
#147
To those who know, and who posted it, thank you for the heads-up tip I picked up here at Acurazine.com; I typically drive with the VSA off, even in the rain, and often in the snow, and I believe that I tend to not slow down as much for corners as most people.
My rear rotors and pads have 103,000km, and while while the dealer recommended they be machined and replaced, last week, respectively, it's time for new rotors in my opinion. I figure I've got about 20,000km to find a solution.
That "Wow" is sarcasism, isn't it. And alas, my TSX is an '06, so I guess I'm SOL on that...and I live in Canada.
My rear rotors and pads have 103,000km, and while while the dealer recommended they be machined and replaced, last week, respectively, it's time for new rotors in my opinion. I figure I've got about 20,000km to find a solution.
That "Wow" is sarcasism, isn't it. And alas, my TSX is an '06, so I guess I'm SOL on that...and I live in Canada.
04-07-2010, 04:54 PM
#148
Senior Moderator
1G TSX should be included in this as well. I replaced my 04's brakes at 30k due to vibrating and squealing I couldn't take anymore. Went aftermarket so as not to have the same problem reoccur with new OEM parts. Too many people had this problem.
04-07-2010, 06:08 PM
#150
I drive a Subata.
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My dad's 08 Oddy's front brakes make this weird sound and feel pretty scary.. 
damn honda
damn honda
04-07-2010, 06:49 PM
#151
The sizzle in the Steak
^^ There's a recall for that...ask dom.
04-09-2010, 05:30 PM
#155
The sizzle in the Steak
It's a conspiracy...just like Toyota 
04-12-2010, 11:35 AM
#157
Senior Moderator
Its not like they arent working. Id rather get hit in the face by a airbag that comes out a little harder than it should than one that doesnt come out as fast as it should.
04-12-2010, 04:30 PM
#158
Suzuka Master
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04-12-2010, 08:38 PM
#159
Whats up with RDX owners?
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^ Holy crapazoid indeed.
04-12-2010, 09:17 PM
#160
Senior Moderator
True, as long as they aren't like the early-mid 90's ford airbags.
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