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Old 06-06-2012, 12:14 PM
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Will it go on sale here? If so, when?
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Honda Motor Co.'s new electric vehicle comes with an unusual option: collision insurance without any deductible.

It's the latest enticement to move electric cars off showrooms and narrow the cost gap with less expensive gasoline-powered vehicles.

"It is a really interesting marketing tool," said Rebecca Lindland, an analyst with IHS Automotive.

Detroit automakers have generally shied away from offering insurance for drivers. General Motors Co. experimented with the concept last year, offering a year of free auto insurance for new-car buyers in Oregon and Washington. GM let the offer expire without expanding the program.

Honda officials said they see the offer as a way to remove a barrier to the introduction of their 1st electric car in the U.S. They were concerned that insurers would have trouble rating the financial risk of covering the repairs of such a low-volume vehicle.

Starting with Nissan Motor Co., large automakers began selling electric cars in late 2010. But sales of the vehicles have been slow, hampered by their limited range and higher price compared with gasoline-powered vehicles. They also require homeowners to install charging stations in their garages, an expense that can run $1,500 to $2,500, depending on the home.

Although the amount of insurance savings for Honda's new Fit EV will vary based on a consumer's driving record and address, the option can reduce some of that expense. With Honda picking up the collision insurance on the vehicle, a single man living in a Southern California suburb will save as much as $600 a year, according to some insurance industry estimates.

Honda plans to offer just 1,100 leases for the car, an electric version of Honda's popular subcompact hatchback. It will not be available for outright purchase. It reaches showrooms in July.

The 36-month, 36,000-mile lease will cost $389 a month plus taxes with no down payment. The contract includes roadside assistance, all maintenance as well as the collision insurance. However, consumers leasing the Fit will be required to carry liability insurance at $100,000 per incident and $300,000 overall coverage.

Honda doesn't offer a lease deal for the gasoline version of a Fit, but a similar lease for the slightly larger Civic is $220 a month with Honda picking up the first of the 36 monthly payments. It does not cover the cost of maintenance, roadside assistance and collision insurance.

Based on current gasoline prices, the Civic will cost about $1,000 more to drive 12,000 miles than the Fit at a nighttime charging rate of 12 cents per kilowatt-hour.

Although automakers are selling electric cars in small volumes, the increasing number of models for sale by the major manufacturers has made the market more competitive, and buyers are starting to see incremental improvements with each new model introduction.

Honda says the Fit EV will have faster acceleration and better passing performance than rival electric vehicles from the big automakers, especially when operated in sport mode. But that will use up more electricity and reduce the range of the car.

Honda also says the vehicle will be more agile. That's in part because Honda engineers placed the battery pack in a flat configuration across the bottom of the car, which lowers the center of gravity. That design also opens up space in the passenger cabin, where 4 passengers can travel comfortably.

But what makes the Fit especially interesting to those following the evolution of modern electric vehicles is the small improvements it offers in range, charge time and a new pricing approach.

The Nissan Leaf, the 1st of this new generation of electric vehicles to market, can travel 73 miles on a single charge and takes about 7 hours to charge. The Ford Focus, a recent entrant, can travel 76 miles on a single charge and takes about 4 hours to charge. The Fit can travel 82 miles on a single charge and takes about three hours to charge.

"Every next-generation electric car is going to be a little bit better than the previous 1," said Thilo Koslowski, an automotive analyst at research firm Gartner Inc. "The technology is improving. Every mile counts. This is an area where the industry can gain a lot more expertise, but that puts early adopters at a disadvantage."

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The 2013 Honda Fit EV, the Japanese automaker's highly anticipated answer to the Nissan Leaf, is quick, agile and actually quite fun to drive. Its cabin is roomy, outward visibility good and its styling is anything but odd. The platform is impressively safe, it has decent range and Honda says it is the most efficient vehicle the EPA has ever tested.

So, what's the problem? Let's call it a lack of volume.

Honda is only releasing 1,100 of these little blue hatchbacks over the next 2 model years in the States, and all of them will be delivered on contracted 3-year leases. Making matters more frustrating for those who want to forget about internal combustion, only California and Oregon are in the launch plans with 5 other preselected East Coast markets opening shortly thereafter.

Statistically speaking, the Honda Fit EV will initially be scarcer than a Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 (the Italians are estimating a production run of approximately 4,000 worldwide). But thankfully, Honda brought a handful of pre-production Fit EVs to Southern California and offered us a drive. We ran acceleration tests, dodged cones on a slalom course and then did some real-world driving. Dwelling on its pending shortage, it was almost frustrating that we enjoyed ourselves so much.



From a distance, it isn't easy to distinguish a traditional combustion-engine Fit (1.5-liter inline-4 developing 117 horsepower) from its all-electric counterpart. Yet, as it draws near, the lack of a front grille, scripting on the rear doors and its extended rear spoiler will be the subtle indicators. Most obvious, for many, will be the unique Reflection Blue Pearl paint – only offered on the Fit EV.

Even if you are color blind and happen to miss the exterior tweaks, the passenger compartment is a dead giveaway. The steering wheel is nearly identical, but the primary analog instrumentation (tachometer, speedometer and fuel gauge) has given way to an analog power usage meter, digital speedometer and battery state-of-charge meter. The navigation system has been carried forward, but the HVAC system is now fully automatic (single zone) with a large digital display replacing the air distribution dial. In addition to the standard 12-volt power outlet, there are heated seat controls and an auxiliary audio input at the bottom of the center stack. The center console houses twin cupholders, a traditional gear lever (with an unconventional PRNDB arrangement) and a lever-operated parking brake. The cockpit is clean, not cluttered.



Less observed are the physical modifications made to accommodate the batteries stowed beneath the passenger floor. As such, the three rear seat occupants are moved ever so slightly rearward. The floor is raised a bit, too, so the seat cushion logically sits a bit higher as well. We shouldn't fail to mention the bio-fabric material which covers the seats; it is Honda's 1st use of the environmentally friendly upholstery. And much to our chagrin, the imminently useful Magic Seat feature that flips the whole 2nd row up and out of the way to accommodate taller objects has been sacrificed to fit the box of lightning beneath the seats.

While the chassis and suspension is mostly shared with its combustion siblings (MacPherson struts up front), engineers have removed the H-shaped torsion beam in the back of the gasoline-powered Fit and replaced it with an independant multi-link system in the EV – Honda's 1st for a Fit. There are single-piston sliding-caliper disc brakes up front and drum brakes in the rear. The standard wheels are 15-inch alloys, wrapped in low-rolling-resistance all-season Michelin Energy tires (185/60R15 at all four corners). Honda's Electric Power Steering (EPS) is standard.



In terms of powertrain, the Fit EV features a maintenance-free 92-kW AC synchronous electric motor (developing 123 horsepower and 189 pound-feet of torque) driving the front wheels through a high-efficiency single-speed coaxial gearbox. Power is supplied by a Toshiba-produced air-cooled 20-kWh Li-Ion battery, located beneath the passenger compartment completely within the wheelbase.

With its own built-in charger, a 6.6 kW unit, the vehicle may be plugged into any household-type 120- or 240-volt AC power supply (charging times are less than 15 hours on a 120-volt supply, but under 3 hours on a 240-volt AC Level 2 source). As of today, Honda has picked Leviton to supply its preferred Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment (EVSE) charging station. With full batteries, Honda says the Fit EV will go 132 city miles per charge, and it has an EPA-estimated combined driving range of 82 miles.



To assist the owner with the whole charging process, Honda provides an interactive remote control with each vehicle. About the size of an iPod Nano, the digital remote is able to exchange information about charging status and climate control settings when the car is connected to a charging supply – check on your Fit EV from the comfort of your family room sofa, or from inside a restaurant, so long as you have a WiFi connection. An available smartphone application does the same, plus it allows scheduling of specific charging times (only draw power when electric rates are the lowest) and other features from just about anywhere.

Honda has chosen a 3-mode operator-selected drive system for the Fit EV. When the transmission shifter is in Drive, the system defaults to "Normal" mode to deliver a proper balance between system power and regenerative braking (75 kW of electrical power is available during acceleration). Press the dash-mounted "Econ" button and power delivery is cut back (47 kW of electrical power available during acceleration), as is the use of the air conditioning compressor in this most efficient setting. Lastly, those who are seeking a more spirited driving experience will need to choose "Sport" mode (delivering upwards of 92 kW of electrical power during acceleration), which sacrifices range for quick acceleration and motor responsiveness. The driver won't ever question which setting the drive system is in, as the ambient meter and mode indicator within the instrument cluster illuminates in green for Econ mode, white for Normal mode and red when in Sport mode.


But there is more to the story; the transmission also has a "B" range ("Braking"), which optimizes regenerative braking to provide maximum charge back to the battery. It may be used with any of the 3 drive modes to effectively offer six unique driving modes for the Fit EV. Consider it a custom setup.

We spent the morning with a Fit EV prototype in Southern California's Rose Bowl parking lot and surrounding community. A slalom was 1st on the list, followed by some acceleration runs and then a few loops around a city/highway driving cycle.

With rare exceptions, the words "sporty" and "electric vehicles" are rarely combined in the same sentence (especially when the vehicle costs less than $40,000). Yet the Honda Fit EV, tipping the scales at 3,252 pounds (weight distribution 55% front/45% rear), happily dragged itself around the basic cone-laden course with confidence. There was plenty of tire squeal and noticeable understeer, but it wasn't sloppy or misbehaved like the Nissan Leaf – yes, Honda thoughtfully brought its closest competitor along for our subjective comparison. Back to back, we found that the Leaf (more than one hundred pounds heavier at 3,385 pounds) demonstrated more body roll and softer suspension tuning. The electric steering feel was rather numb in both, but the Fit felt more comfortable and controllable running the loop.




Honda also set up a short straight with a radar gun at the end. We took turns drag racing to the flags to see which of the 2 was faster. The Leaf hit 36 mph in ECO mode and 42 mph in Drive. The Fit EV hit 43 mph in Econ mode, 44 in Normal mode and 47 mph in Sport. Both cars were traction limited at the start, but the Honda pulled much more strongly during the acceleration run once the tires hooked up. (Note: The Leaf and Fit were both running on near full charges for the acceleration test.)

Lastly, we left the parking lot for a brief city/highway loop, as that is how most Fits will wear down their tires (our suspicion is that few owners will slalom or drag race with their EV, considering how detrimental it is to range). Acceleration off the line wasn't bad in any of the drive modes (as our previous acceleration numbers show), but the Econ mode was much more lethargic when reacting to accelerator input at speeds above 30 mph. Normal mode is more than adequate, acting like any other low-displacement 4-cylinder engine around town (yet without the annoying need to downshift, thanks to the single-speed gearbox). The Sport mode is almost zippy, especially at slower urban speeds.

Around town, we found Normal mode with the transmission in "B" to be our favorite setting. The aggressive regenerative braking in this configuration helps to preserve battery life while dramatically slowing the vehicle when the accelerator is lifted. It took only minutes to become comfortable with its almost single-pedal operation, and we soon began to enjoy its natural sensation of engine braking.

Merging into 70-mph traffic on a moving highway, the Fit EV held its own. While the output of an electric motor remains constant at speed, torque falls as RPM increases. This means that all EVs accelerate quickly off the line, but slow at higher speeds as torque diminishes and aerodynamic loads increase (even the Tesla Roadster runs out of steam above 100 mph). As we figured, the Fit EV lost most of its zippiness on the highway, but it was never worrisome, and we didn't have any problem jockeying from lane to lane. However, it was perhaps our clearest reminder that the Fit EV is anything but traditional.

Ignoring the urge to drive more slowly than normal to conserve battery power (it seems to subconsciously occur each time we jump behind the wheel of an EV), we headed back to the Rose Bowl parking lot with the transmission lever in "D" while utilizing Normal mode. In this configuration, with only minimal regenerative braking, the Fit EV responds much like a conventional car – eerily reminding us that electric propulsion is becoming less and less of a compromise to its fossil fuel counterparts.

We found much to like with the new Fit EV. We were impressed by its cabin space, driving dynamics and advanced electronics designed to ease the ownership experience. Its physical appearance is unique, but it doesn't scream out like many other "green" oddities on the road. Its human interface is friendly, and overall, it is exceptionally easy to drive.


Yet regardless of its expected rave reviews, Honda has no plans to sell its Fit EV to the public. Instead, the company has concocted an aggressive 3-year Fit EV lease program of $389/month with 0 out of pocket (the program is based on an MSRP of about $36,000 and buyers are still responsible for local applicable taxes). The deal not only includes roadside assistance, routine maintenance and navigation updates, but insurance too (customers will need to secure liability insurance on their own). There is no purchase option at the end of the lease.

But the attractive lease program isn't really a hurdle – low production volume is. To ensure a very positive experience for all Fit EV customers, Honda will only allocate about 1,100 units to the States over the next 2 model years (that works out to about 45 per month, a pitiful amount considering that Honda sold 4,227 Fits in February of this year alone). Therein lies our frustration.

Our initial impressions suggest that Honda has engineered the best EV in its segment. But with a volume limited to just 11 hundred copies, it's disheartening to realize that you may need your congressman to write a letter on your behalf to secure 1.

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For tangential reasons, we've had a pristine 1997 Acura NSX (yes, red) in our garage, and it sparked a conversation between big gun Angus McKenzie, photographer Mike Shaffer, and me about Honda's increasingly erratic direction since that car. What modern Honda, we asked ourselves, has the NSX's clarity of vision and sheer technical sparkle? After a moment, I said "the Fit." And after another moment of furrowed brows, we agreed that indeed it is the best example.

So I guess it shouldn't be a surprise that the Fit's EV version, which Honda showed the press at the Rose Bowl's parking lot in Pasadena, provides another flash of that masterful engineering. Frankly, when I walked into the technical presentation, I was expecting to find a Fit disemboweled of its combustion organs and crammed with batteries. And maybe a few excuses.


Well, it's crammed with batteries, alright. But this is Honda in rare form, re-engineering the car so thoroughly it's clear the automaker is thinking -- at least technologically -- beyond the logistical necessities of California's looming 0-emissions mandate. And I say that despite the appearance of Honda's current plan, which is to lease a mere 1100 of EV Fits in select markets (the usual suspects -- L.A., San Francisco, Sacramento, Portland, and later, a few big cities in the east). But before driving it, let's slowly walk by it from front to back, and consider what Honda's done.

Here we are at the front. Hmmm, does that smile on the nose ring a visual bell? It's a riff on the face of Honda's remarkable hydrogen-fueled electric FCX Clarity. But here the grin's been fastened to a completely revised nose, reshaped to ingest less air and reduce drag. The smile's appropriate though, because behind it is 123 hp and 189 lb-ft of torque sourced from the Clarity's very same electric motor. It's the identical hardware, only "detuned" via rewritten software. And if you recall, it's an unusual piece, architecturally speaking, as one of the 2 half-shafts sprouting from the single-speed reduction gearset passes right through the motor's centerline on its way to the wheel on the far side. In other words, the motor's rotor shaft is hollow; the half-shaft can, concentrically, pass right through it. Smart packaging in the Fit style.


Just ahead of the driver's door is the flap concealing the blessed sight of the SAE-standard J1772 charging receptacle, which is backed by a 6.6 kW on-board charger. That's twice the charging rate of Nissan's Leaf, and a nose-to-nose match for the recently introduced Ford Focus EV. How long does charging take? That has plenty to do with the smaller, 20 kW-hr size of the Toshiba SCiB lithium-ion battery, which is more resistant to shorts and degradation and inherently quicker to charge. The Leaf's battery is 24 kW-hrs, the Focus', 23, so the Fit EV's 3-hour charging time (from a "low state-of-charge") from a 240-volt source isn't surprising. What is, though, is the car's 82-mile range. Given that the Leaf's is 73 miles, and the Focus' is 76, how could the Fit beat those 2 with a smaller battery? Remember, Honda has been finessing the super-efficient FCX Clarity for quite awhile, and efficiency is imbedded in Honda's very DNA.

As with Tesla's Model S, the Fit EV's battery resides in a slab beneath the floor. But instead of impinging on interior room, the entire chassis has been elevated above it by 1.6 inches (reminiscent of the 1997 EV Plus, if you recall). That's right: The Fit EV is noticeably taller. To keep its underwear from showing, there are added rocker panels plus plastic eyebrows above the wheel wells. It looks a lot better than it sounds.


Before going any further, let's pause at the driver's seat. On the left edge of the dash are a trio of buttons for selecting performance modes, normal being 75 kW; econ, 47 (providing perfectly acceptable acceleration) i; and sport, 92 kW. But what's more interesting is below the dash: the brake pedal.

What your foot feels when it presses the Fit EV's brake pedal is actually a simulation of stopping feel. Yes, a simulation. During anything short of emergency braking (when valves open for old-fashioned friction stopping via pedal-activated hydraulic lines) the Fit EV attempts to halt itself by pure regenerative resistance from the traction motor. Here and there, it's still supplemented by doses of friction braking (particularly at the end), but even that's derived from a fast-reacting electric motor that locally pressurizes the caliper's hydraulics. The key point is that this really is brake by wire, and it's computer orchestrated. And what it eliminates is the slight bit of friction drag that current EVs (Leaf) suffer during what we think of as pure regen braking. Remember that mysteriously greater driving range? Here's part of the answer. (Another is that the car weighs 130 pounds less than the Leaf.)


The battery pack extends sternward enough that it would have intruded on the twist beam rear suspension had it not been replaced by a more compact multi-link affair. And this is exactly what I mean by Honda being in rare form. Recently, I drove the Ford Focus EV, and, while I'm impressed by it, the battery packaging is a mess -- part of it is in a clumsy box in the cargo area. Moreover, as the Fit EV's battery fills the void normally exploited as the wonderfully reconfigurable "magic seat," Honda has made the best of the situation by completely redesigning and repositioning the second row. It's 3.3-inches more rearward, creating a span between the front and rear seat's H-points comparable to the Accords. Its seatback is also reclined 4 degrees more, and it's way more comfortable. True, there's less cargo space, because when the 60/40 split rear seatback is folded forward it creates a load-floor step. But this isn't much different than many other hatchbacks. The Fit's rear cap and roof extension are as re-imagined as the nose's to accommodate its taller height and create better-controlled air separation lines. Finally, if you get on your hands and knees and peek underneath, you'll see great spans of plastic underbody fairing, also to smooth the airflow.

Now let's climb in. In addition to the now de rigueur phone app that provides real-time battery status, climate control, and charge timing, those interactions are conveniently mirrored on a giant remote-control key fob containing its own little display.


In addition to a brief lap around the Pasadena streets and freeway, where the Fit EV exhibited very reasonable wind and suspension impact and noise levels, we were able to let loose around a couple of cone courses in the Rose Bowl parking. Given the car's taller profile, you'd expect prodigious tipping. But actually, the Honda's center of gravity is lower than the gas cars, so the Fit's handling feel just as flat and nimble. The Fit has always had knife-sharp handling; now, with an electric drivetrain, the car's "throttle" response is just as immediate and precise. In addition to a D slot, the shifter adds a B option for greater lift-throttle regen, and that simulated brake feel felt pretty good without a trace of regen-to-friction fishiness. Within a lap I was giddily drifting it -- electric golf cart, my arse. It's a hoot, and I'd reckon it's even more fun than the gas version.

The 3-year lease price of $389 per month (including collision insurance) brings it to an equivalent price of $36,625; the fully loaded Fit EV isn't cheap. (The Leaf can be had for $28,550; the Focus EV, for $32,495 after available federal tax credits for both.) Nevertheless, with only 1100 of them available, you'd better get with it if you're interested.


Lastly, let's step back and put this car into perspective. When the Leaf appeared, it was pretty cutting-edge for an EV: 73 miles of range, a 7-hour 240-volt charge time, and the electrical equivalent of 99 mpg. The Focus EV raised the range to 76, cut its charge time to between 3 and 4 hours, and raised the mpge bar to 105. Now we have the Fit EV, able to travel 82 miles, charge in as little as 3 hours, and deliver 118 mpge, making it the most efficient car available in America. This is rapid progress, and darn fun to watch from the car journalist bleachers. And particularly now that Honda has broadened its EV interest from purely fuel cell vehicles, and finally fully embraced the battery EV. That NSX sparkle just might be returning.
2013 HONDA FIT EV
Base price (monthly lease equivalent) $36,625
Vehicle layout Front-engine, FWD, 5-pass, 4-door hatch
Engine 123-hp/189-lb-ft permanent magnet electric motor
Transmission 1-speed
Curb weight 3250 lb (mfr)
Wheelbase 98.4 in
Length x width x height 162.0 x 67.7 x 62.2 in
0-60 mph sub-10 sec (MT est)
EPA city/hwy fuel econ 132/105 mpge
CO2 emissions NA
Energy Cons., City/Hwy 26/32 kW-hrs/100 miles
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Driving a blue Honda Fit EV down El Segundo Blvd. in Los Angeles, I began to feel a bit guilty. To my left stretched a massive complex, a big stretch of beachfront property devoted to a Chevron oil refinery. As the Fit EV whispered by this facility, which Wikipedia told me later was founded in 1911 and gave the town of El Segundo its name, I thought of all the oil workers the little electric car I was driving would put out of a job.

Lacking a gas tank and exhaust pipes, this Fit EV would never need to sully itself at 1 of the many gas stations I passed on this drive through Los Angeles, except maybe to top off the air in the tires. The Fit EV represents 1 of the new breed of electric cars, which current battery technology is making more practical for daily use. And in my drive I found the Fit EV the best of the bunch.

Honda recently got to crow about the Fit EV's EPA numbers, boasting the car's average fuel economy of 118 miles per gallon equivalent for the combined city and highway number. That makes the Fit EV the most efficient car yet tested by the EPA. However, the mpge number cited for electric cars probably won't mean much to most drivers, and only a power company engineer could truly appreciate the 29 kilowatt-hour-per-100-miles number that Honda includes in its spec sheet for the Fit EV.

Range will be at the top of most drivers' minds, and here the Fit EV only scores 82 miles in the EPA tests. Not a bad number for new electric cars, but nothing revelatory. More in the car's favor is the 3-hour charging time when using a 240-volt source, thanks to its 6.6-kilowatt onboard charger. Of course, charging the Fit EV will be cost a lot less than filling an equivalent car with gasoline. Honda broke down the numbers for me, citing a savings of about $4,000 in 3 years for charging the Fit EV over paying for gasoline.

The other electric cars on the market, the Nissan Leaf, Ford Focus Electric, and Mitsubishi i-Miev, compare well enough with the Fit EV on various of these specifications, but I found something about the Fit EV that I haven't found with these other cars; it was actually kind of fun to drive. Leaving Tesla aside for the moment, the Fit EV had, along with the de rigueur Eco button, a Sport button. Honda actually included a mode that would tap most of the power train's acceleration potential, whilst also putting a big drain on the battery. Other EV makers focus exclusively on getting the most range out of their cars.


The Fit EV includes a Sport mode, which taps the full 92 kilowatts of its motor.
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When I began my drive in the Fit EV, a little range anxiety had me driving in Eco mode, wanting to preserve the 86 miles displaying on the instrument cluster. This mode reins in the full potential of the battery pack, and also hobbles the air conditioning so as to maximize range.

When the range did not plummet precipitously and the Los Angeles heat began to make me sweat, I relented and pushed the Normal button. As the green accent lighting faded from the instrument cluster, so did the lassitude of the accelerator. The Fit EV assumed a zippier character, ready to pounce off the line as traffic lights turned green. The potential range also dropped about 5 miles, but as the air conditioning stepped up to a more comfortable level, I felt it was a worthwhile sacrifice.

With the more responsive pedal, I was able to appreciate the handling of the Fit EV. It felt lighter and nimbler than both the Focus Electric and Nissan Leaf, and not much heavier than a gasoline-engine Fit. Honda constructed the Fit EV cleverly, raising the chassis about 1.5 inches to accommodate a 20 kilowatt-hour lithium ion battery pack underneath the car's passenger compartment. That positioning makes the extra weight less noticeable. It also raises the passenger seating position to that of a minivan or small SUV, giving the Fit EV driver a more commanding view of the road than in a standard Fit.

Honda also said that, due to some of its efficiency technologies, the Fit EV gets by with a smaller battery pack than some of its competitors, while still getting equivalent range. Certainly the mpge figure it earned shows that efficiency.

1 such technology is the way its regenerative braking handles a downward slope. I found a few good descents to test the car's grade logic. Instead of building speed as I sent it downhill, the car automatically maintained its initial speed without me having to touch the brake pedal. The car applies regenerative braking when going downhill to maintain a steady speed, and also to charge up its batteries. If I wanted more speed, I merely had to touch the accelerator a bit. It was kind of like cruise control.


The instrument cluster shows the range, and includes an eco coach.
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The real fun came after I saw the car still had 60 miles of range, and it was getting close to the time to return it to Honda. Engage Sport mode, and the instrument cluster turned an angry red. Suddenly, the full 92 kilowatts of the electric motor was available. I had 189 pound-feet of torque on tap, which made the little Fit EV step off the line in a much livelier manner. Normal drive mode limits the motor to 75 kilowatts output, while Eco keeps it down to 47 kilowatts, although pressing the accelerator hard unleashes its 75-kilowatt potential.

The easy handling and light feeling of the car contributed to the enjoyment. And although I was stripping miles off the range faster than a Las Vegas tourist losing chips at a roulette table, it made driving the Fit EV more than just an exercise in efficiency. Although far from a sports car, the Fit EV felt as responsive and fun as the standard Fit. To accommodate the battery pack, Honda even upgraded the Fit EV's rear suspension, going from a torsion bar to a multilink configuration.

The plant-derivative material covering seats and interior surfaces had a nice, soft feeling. The rear seats are raised even higher than the front seats, creating a stadium seating effect, and there's more rear legroom than in the standard Fit. However, Honda had to use conventional rear seats, rather than the Magic Seat found in the standard Fit. That means the rear cargo area doesn't get a completely flat floor with the rear seats folded down.


The rear seats do not fold flat, as they do in the standard Fit.
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Navigation comes standard in the Fit EV, but the head unit is the same one Honda puts in the standard Fit, with a few modifications. In reviews of other Honda vehicles, such as the CR-V, I have mentioned the chunky look of the maps in the navigation system, and the Fit EV shows no improvement here. For the Fit EV, Honda superimposes the range for a 1-way or 2-way trip over the map, shown as a circle. Although this display does not represent actual road miles, it serves as a useful guideline.

Honda included an EV charging station category in its points-of-interest database, which differentiates between 120-volt and 240-volt stations. From a 240-volt station, the Fit EV can get a full charge from 0 in 3 hours. Honda points out that if a Fit EV driver were to plug in while going shopping for an hour, the car could be charged up by a 3rd.

Along with the navigation system's EV features, Honda offers an app for iPhone and Android that lets drivers schedule charging and turn on the climate control remotely. The app shows the car's state of charge and has its own charging station finder. A key fob for the car also lets the driver initiate charging or start up the air conditioning from about 100 feet away.

Although Honda gives a price of $36,625 for the 2013 Fit EV, the company will not be selling the car. It will only be offered on a lease basis in California and Oregon, initially. The lease cost will be $389 per month, and includes collision insurance. That rate takes into account the Federal tax credit for electric vehicles, but lessees will be able to claim California's tax incentives and an HOV lane sticker.
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Honda Motor Co. plans to build three variants of its Fit compact, including a sedan version, at its Mexican plant currently under construction.

The two other variants are the standard hatchback and a Fit-based crossover, said an executive familiar with the plans.

Honda is considering selling all three in the United States, the person said. The company thinks a general shift toward small cars may fuel U.S. demand for a sedan-styled Fit. Honda currently sells a Fit-based sedan, called the City, in Asia.

A Honda spokesman could not be immediately reached Friday morning.

The Mexican factory, scheduled to open in 2014 with annual capacity for 200,000 vehicles, expects to deliver as much 30 percent of its output to the Mexican market, the person said.

In October, Honda President Takanobu Ito told Automotive News the vast majority of the plant’s output would go to the United States. But he declined to give figures.

The outlook implies a big Mexican sales surge for Honda.

In 2011 Honda sold only 36,209 vehicles in Mexico. This year sales were up 53 percent to 42,933 units through October. Adding 60,000 would more than double Honda’s volume.

Honda’s new Mexico plant, its second in the country, plays a key role in Ito’s plan to lift North American sales 18 percent to 2 million units in the fiscal year ending March 31, 2017.

The Fit is expected to be the brand’s fastest growing nameplate in that period, after a redesign scheduled for next year.

Producing the Fit in Mexico will give dealers more Fits to sell unburdened by the unfavorable dollar-yen exchange rate. The arrival of additional body-style variants also will help.

Elsewhere in the world, Honda already sells a Fit wagon, minivan and sedan. Honda has said it plans to add a crossover, but it has declined to say if it would come to U.S. showrooms.

In October, American Honda Motor Co. CEO Tetsuo Iwamura said the Mexico plant will build "multiple" derivatives of the Fit, but declined to specify what versions are planned.
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I want a Fit with a 200hp at 8k rpm motor in it.
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The sedan.

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^ it might be similar to that but since the new Fit will be all new a lot of things will be different, especially the drivetrain.
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I want a Fit with a 200hp at 8k rpm motor in it.
You will be disapointed.
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The Fit sedan doesn't look half bad on the outside.
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Fit CUV




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Interesting, so far so good design-wise. Fit Crosstour?? lol.
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This is not Fit sedan but Brio Sedan version. Brio is one step smaller than Fit. Fit sedan is Honda City.
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DIGITAL EDITOR ANDREW STOY: I continue to look forward to our electrified future, should such a future come to pass, and the 2013 Honda Fit EV is reason for further optimism.

In a nutshell, this is a perfectly good commuter: The Fit EV is smooth-riding with good steering response, comfortable interior materials for what it is and intelligently designed basic controls. Average drivers can put it in D and pretend they're piloting a regular Fit -- the only real difference is the lack of engine noise. Engaged drivers will prefer B mode, providing far more regenerative braking and throttle resolution. It's entirely possible to drive the Fit EV in B mode without using the brakes at all. The regen is aggressive but it's linear, making it far easier to use effectively in heavy traffic than some hybrid competitors (Infiniti M Hybrid, cough-cough).

For comparison purposes, it doesn't quite match the Ford Focus Electric as a driver, but the Fit offers unequalled outward visibility and storage flexibility, even in electric form. I've said it before: It's like 1 of those carnival funhouses that are impossibly large on the inside considering its exterior dimensions.

The Fit EV falls flattest because of a feature completely unrelated to its fuel-free nature: Honda's hideous small-car navigation head unit. It's the same one in the Civic, and it's outstandingly bad with tiny buttons, illogical controls, slow response times and marginal visibility. Adding insult, Honda has neglected to equip one of its highest-tech vehicles with a USB input, leaving only an AUX jack or Bluetooth streaming for music player inputs.

It's going to take a breakthrough in electricity storage to bring the price down and the range up to acceptable levels before the general public flocks to EVs en masse. But when that breakthrough occurs, it's going to be a second golden age of the automobile; I, for one, welcome our torque-filled future.


ASSOCIATE EDITOR JAKE LINGEMAN: I took the Honda Fit EV home for the night and found it completely acceptable for my 12-mile commute, even in Eco mode. I used about 15 miles off of the 59-mile range of the car, probably because I put it to the floor a few times when traffic broke up.

I jumped in a bit later and it was down to 40 miles, but it was pretty cold outside. The next morning it was charged up to 52 miles, plenty to get me in to work. Not sure where those extra 9 miles went.

Like Andy said, it's a perfectly capable commuter, and if you lived 20 miles or so from work it could be your everyday car. If you have a charger at work, you could live even further.

It looks identical to the regular Fit, which is a good thing. It doesn't have crazy body work or a wedge shape, or a bunch of crazy spoilers. It would blend in with just about anything -- as long as you can get those graphics off the side.


EXECUTIVE EDITOR BOB GRITZINGER: Welcome to the future, 50 miles at a time. I mentioned in a Twitter post that, other than range anxiety, I like the 2013 Honda Fit EV. A follower replied that the same could be said of all EVs. I beg to differ.

Unlike most electrics, hybrids, the Chevrolet Volt, you name it, this Fit is normal in nearly every way except the powertrain and the instrument panel. Oh, and you plug it in instead of stopping for gas. What I'm saying is that this car doesn't feel like a science project, and doesn't drive like one. Other than the “FIT EV” badging on the lower door panels, the exterior is the same as a normal Fit. Inside, it's all the same except for the IP. The navigation system is familiar Honda/Acura stuff, the shifter is normal -- heck, you even use an actual key in a keyhole to turn the car on. How novel is that?

Once you turn the key, it is evident this isn't a normal powertrain, though. There's no starter noise or engine hum, just silence. When the dash reads “ready,” you put the vehicle in gear and whir away. Otherwise, the Fit EV seems to drive like any other Fit, but with much more torque on tap. There might be some handling penalty due to battery weight, but I'm not sure some extra weight low in the chassis of a lightweight car is such a bad thing. It makes the car feel more stable on the highway, for instance.

I'm with Andy -- if this kind of silent, torquey power is the future, I'm all in. Once the range and recharge breakthroughs come -- and they will (if you have any doubt, consider the incredibly rapid evolution of the smart phone) -- we'll all be embracing the EV future.
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It's going to take a breakthrough in electricity storage to bring the price down and the range up to acceptable levels before the general public flocks to EVs en masse. But when that breakthrough occurs, it's going to be a second golden age of the automobile; I, for one, welcome our torque-filled future.
You might get one or the other but unlikely to get both. The improvements to the internal combustion engine will be enough to make EVs a niche market for a very long time. That torque filled future will be a diesel running on renewable fuel.
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You might get one or the other but unlikely to get both. The improvements to the internal combustion engine will be enough to make EVs a niche market for a very long time. That torque filled future will be a diesel running on renewable fuel.
VW's diesel hybrids put up way better numbers to the gas ones. But Americans generally hate diesels and don't want to pay more for the engine.

But I would imagine a diesel hybrid running on renewable fuels would be the best option until Mr. Fusion gets perfected.
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^^ The holy grail of hybrids: diesel engine + electric motor.

Win Win
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Just imagine the torque output at low rpm with diesel + hybrid.................
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Just imagine the torque output at low rpm with diesel + hybrid.................
You mean something like this?

http://www.trucktrend.com/roadtests/...k/viewall.html

A bit more pedestrian though...
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You mean something like this?

http://www.trucktrend.com/roadtests/...k/viewall.html

A bit more pedestrian though...
5000lb-ft of torque.....wow....lol....
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Tesla may have muddied the waters when it used tortured logic and financing agreements to come up with a $500-per-month price for the Model S, but Honda sets out to clear things up with its own simple lease plan for the Fit EV. The company announced today that it would offer its Fit EV for $259 per month on a 3-year lease with no down payment, unlimited miles, and included insurance coverage.

When Honda introduced the Fit EV last year, it offered similar lease terms at a price of $389 per month. Along with the new, reduced price, Honda is throwing in a Leviton home charging station for the car.

This leasing change comes in the face of new competition, with both the Chevy Spark EV and the Fiat 500E hitting the market with a $199-per-month lease price. However, none of these other cars includes insurance coverage or unlimited miles.

Not that anyone is likely to take the Fit EV on an extended road trip, as its range comes in at 82 miles in EPA estimates, similar to other EVs in its class. Still, in CNET's hands-on with the car, it proved nimble and had excellent acceleration, comparing very favorably with other electric vehicles on the market, such as the Ford Focus Electric and the Nissan Leaf.

Honda also seems intent on making a real business out of the Fit EV, rather than just using it to comply with new CAFE requirements. Honda says it is expanding certified dealers for the Fit EV, sold in 8 states, from the current 36 up to 200 by this summer.

People interested in the Fit EV can check the Honda Web site to see if the car is sold in their area.
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So who pockets the EV subsidy in a lease deal? Does Honda get the same $45K per car in CA that Tesla gets?
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Some of the images (seems distorted) make it look a bit mousy.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/06/28/a...014-honda-fit/
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They say, "When you're on a good thing, stick to it." Honda has followed that formula since launching the first Fit back in 2001. And why not? It's worked wonders for the automaker so far, even if Honda of America took three years to wake up to the car's potential and launch it in the US. Now manufactured at 10 plants in eight countries, the Fit has sold more than 4 million units. The second generation, released in 2007, essentially followed the original's design with bolder headlights and grille, and maintained the car's central fuel tank layout and dimensions. But according to the third generation 2015 Fit's chief engineer, Makoto Konishi, "It's time for a big change. That 'good thing' needs to get better." He rallied his R&D team by urging them to create the "Super Cub" of the car world. The Cub was a 50cc motorcycle launched in 1958 that became the biggest seller ever (60 million in 50 years).

The new, polarizing look
We got a chance to test the all-new Fit at Honda's Takasu Proving Ground in Hokkaido, and the car looks better in the flesh than in photos. The front end is stunningly bolder and adds plenty of street cred. It appears to take design hints from the Clarity fuel-call car, the CR-V, and even the new NSX. Design boss Toshinobu Minami says that in designing the new exterior, he wanted to make a strong connection with a market smitten with smartphones and the Internet, a market fascinated by new gadgets. "We had to give the new model a significantly new face and stronger road presence while maintaining its dimensions," Minami said. The face, especially, had to exude 'new.' That is why Honda opted for a more solid face with an "exciting edge design." said Minami. While the design is certainly fresh and new, it will polarize many potential buyers. We're in the "like it" camp. We drove a pre-production model, but Honda said the new Fit has a slightly longer wheelbase (about 2 inches) but retains almost identical length, height, and width.

Honda offered a few laps in the 1.5-liter four-cylinder hybrid with new intelligent dual-clutch drive, the 1.5-liter RS with the six-speed manual transmission, and the 1.3-liter with the new CVT. But before we hit the road, senior handling and ride quality engineer Terumasa Kotada told us Honda benchmarked the Fit on a certain Volkswagen.

"In upping our game, we wanted to make a stronger international competitor, so we benchmarked our Fit on the Polo. The moment you get in the Polo, you notice how low you sit in the car. This instills confidence. And then when you drive the Polo, you notice how low its roll center is and its huge stability levels, instilling even more confidence. To get our desired result, I tested the car extensively on the autobahns in Germany," he said. To give the Fit better road feel, feedback, and stability, Kotada says the car's suspension geometry was redesigned by adding a new H-beam torsion rear suspension setup and a revised front strut. Taking hints from the Polo, toe control and caster angle were revised. The electronic power steering was modified to give the car a more natural steering feel. The end result is really impressive.

On the road, all of these revisions are more than obvious. Sitting marginally lower in the new Fit, you can feel the car's straight-line stability immediately. And yes, as Kotada says, the car does instil more confidence in the driver. In a strange way, the Honda actually feels bigger and more substantial on the road, and turns in like a charm with almost no understeer and loads of feedback. It rolls less while going into corners, and is more stable at speed, gripping the blacktop while the rear follows neatly and cleanly. Under heavy braking, the Fit resists nosedive as the back end stays absolutely planted. "Rear end stability is just one major result of our Polo-inspired suspension redesign," adds Kotada.

Stingy hybrid, speedy RS
Another factor that might increase interest among buyers is the all-new engine range: 1.3-liter gas, 1.5-liter gas, and 1.5-liter hybrid, which all offer twin cams, in comparison to the outgoing model's single cam. Europe is expected to get a diesel as well. Fronting that new engine lineup is the new 1.5-liter, Atkinson cycle, four-cylinder IMA hybrid mated to a new one-motor, intelligent dual-clutch drive combination. Generating 135 hp at 6000 rpm and 125 lb-ft or torque at 5000 rpm, the new hybrid delivers plenty of power with a stratospherically high mileage figure of 85 mpg in Japanese spec, according to Honda. One engineer did admit that in real-world driving situations, that mileage would come down by around 15 percent. The U.S.-spec Fit hybrid should reach at least 55 mpg.

While the new Fit can travel at speeds up to 25 mph on EV-only mode for short stints, the engine integration is seamless and produces performance that clearly outdoes the outgoing model.

Employing a new seven-speed dual clutch transmission, the Fit hybrid accelerates more than adequately, filling the cabin with a sporty exhaust note that has been tuned and silenced -- with sound-absorbing felt -- to delete all human-unfriendly sounds. Honda tells us the new dual-clutch was a direct effort to quell criticism of the car's CVT, which certain quarters said was loud and full of vibration while sapping the car's power. This new transmission is perfectly married to the 1.5-liter and electric motor unit, allowing drivers to grab higher gears instantly and seamlessly through a paddle shift. The 1.3-liter Atkinson cycle four-cylinder unit generating 98 hp and 88 lb-ft boasts the new twin-cam configuration and a new CVT. "Getting the CVT to interact smoothly and quietly with the engine, generating enough power while keeping fuel consumption down was our biggest challenge," says senior drivetrain engineer Hideki Wakamatsu. The new engine generates extra power between 2000 and 3000 rpm.

The 1.5-liter RS sports version mated to a six-speed manual gearbox delivers on Honda's S2000 and NSX heritage. Perfectly matched to the 1.5-liter's high-revving engine, the manual's short throws and tight gate with a pleasing mechanical precision allow for quick, sure gear changes at all speeds. While the Fit's dash design is simple yet functional, it is not in the same class as the Polo when it comes to interior trim, materials, and quality. When you benchmark a car on another, you expect to see significant improvements in all major areas, upgrades that put the new car in the same class. Honda says we can expect to see further refinements inside the car before it goes on sale in Europe early next year.

In a strange twist, designer Minami commented that he would have liked Honda's announcement of a return to F1 with McLaren to come a year earlier. That way he could have incorporated some McLaren design hints into the Fit. As it is, he seems happy enough, but does admit that some people may find its looks over the top. But once behind the driver's seat, few potential buyers will find the car wanting, especially in the on-road experience. Honda seems to have found its mojo again. It'll be back in Formula 1; a new NSX is coming out soon; a smaller sports car is on the way; a new Accord hybrid will travel more than 800 miles on a tank of gas; and a new Civic Type R will soon challenge the Megane RS for the fastest lap by a front-drive car at the Nurburgring. If anything, this Fit is a reflection of the company's newfound corporate confidence.
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Honda Motor Co. plans to bring hybrid variants of its Fit subcompact to the United States with the car's redesign, as the Japanese automaker wagers that its new hybrid drivetrain will challenge Toyota Motor Corp.'s dominance in the field.

The 3rd generation of the Fit hatchback, 1 of Honda's best-selling global nameplates, will hit U.S. showrooms by next summer and will go on sale in Japan in September. The U.S. version also will be the 1st Fit manufactured in North America.

Key to the revamp, which introduces Honda's new design language with a new interior and boldly creased sheet metal, is a newly developed 1-motor gasoline-electric drivetrain.

While the United States is not expected to get the hybrid version of the standard Fit 5-door, hybrid versions of a Fit-based small crossover and sedan are planned for the United States. Those vehicles are expected to arrive as early as next year.

The new hybrid system, dubbed Sport Hybrid Intelligent-Dual Clutch Drive, greatly boosts fuel economy over the current integrated motor assist system. Honda has been using the outgoing integrated motor assist system for years in such cars as the Insight.

The new Fit is a Honda milestone for several reasons. It showcases Honda's attempt to rejuvenate its styling. And the car is the 1st product of a revamped global product development strategy that aims to better tailor vehicles to local markets and regional manufacturing abilities.

Finally, the hybrid version pumps up Honda's competiveness in the small hybrid segment. Cars such as the Insight and CR-Z hybrids have failed to gain traction in the United States, even while rival offerings such as Toyota's Prius C successfully carved out a niche. Sales of the Prius C subcompact climbed 27 percent to 20,575 units through June.

Going local

The U.S. version of the standard Fit and its crossover variant will be sourced from Honda's new assembly plant in Celaya, Mexico. That factory goes online in spring 2014. Honda expects the plant to produce 200,000 Fits and Fit crossovers for the North America annually.

Globally, the gasoline-powered Fit will be offered with a 1.3-liter port-injection or 1.5-liter direct-injection version of Honda's new Earth Dreams engine, combined with the company's new Earth Dreams continuously variable transmission. The United States is expected to get only the bigger powerplant. Both engines will be offered with a manual transmission in some markets.

The hybrid gets a 1.5-liter, Atkinson-cycle engine with a 7-speed dual clutch transmission. Electric power comes from a 22-kilowatt electric motor and lithium ion battery.

The gasoline-powered Fit sold just 25,541 units in the 1st 6 months of 2013, up 5 percent from the year before.

And Honda's U.S. hybrids tallied a paltry 9,011 units sold through June, down from 10,712 vehicles in the same period of 2012.

Targeting Toyota

The new hybrid Fit hatchback achieves fuel economy of 36.4 kilometers per liter, or 86 mpg, under Japan's testing regime. That marks a 30 percent improvement over the hybrid version of the current Fit, which sells big in Japan but never made it to North America.

Those fuel economy figures don't translate directly into U.S. EPA ratings because the testing cycle differs in Japan.

But the Fit's Japanese rating edges the 35.4 kilometers per liter, or 83 mpg, rating for the Prius C here. The Prius C, known as the Aqua in Japan, was this country's 2nd-best selling car for the 1st half of 2013, trailing only the standard Toyota Prius hatchback.

The new Fit has not yet received an EPA fuel economy rating. But fuel savings from Honda's new small-hybrid system are big enough to warrant its U.S. introduction, Jiro Yamaguchi, managing officer in charge of global vehicle development, said at a recent test drive event for the Fit 5-door at Honda's Hokkaido proving ground in northern Japan.

"I was not that confident with the previous model, but this model would absolutely sell well in America," Yamaguchi said.

Launch timing has not been decided. But Yamaguchi said hybrid variants likely will be introduced around the time that the standard gasoline version goes on the market, by next summer.

Hybrid, take 2

U.S. pricing hasn't been announced. But Honda reckons the premium charged for the hybrid has to be within a 10% increase over the standard gasoline-powered version, Yamaguchi said.

Unlike Honda's integrated motor assist hybrid system, in which the motor only assists the engine, the new hybrid drivetrain allows extensive quiet driving in electric-only mode, like an electric vehicle.

The hybrid Fit can drive for 1.9 miles at speeds up to 31 mph in electric-only mode. The engine kicks in for blended driving when the car reaches a certain speed or the driver punches the gas for a burst of acceleration. For highway cruising, the electric motor shuts off to let the engine work.

While popular in Japan, Honda's integrated motor assist hybrid system was derided in the United States for being too underpowered and not delivering significant-enough fuel economy gains. Honda's new hybrid blueprint boosts power and efficiency.

"They tried the low-cost, lower-fuel economy strategy and they feel like it was a failure outside of Japan," said Kurt Sanger, an auto analyst with Deutsche Securities Japan. "The question is whether they can do it at a decent profit level, and the 1st generation of this technology is never really about that."



U.S. sales of the Honda Fit
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Exciting H

The new Fit also is the 1st car to showcase Honda's new design language, dubbed Exciting H Design. President Takanobu Ito promoted Toshinobu Minami as global exterior design chief and Yoshinori Asahi as his interior counterpart in late 2011 with orders to jazz up Honda's ho-hum looks.

Outside, the car gets a more aggressive stance than today's egg-shaped Fit. Side panels are dramatically creased and the tail is more tapered for a sleeker look.

The LED taillights wrap around the rear hatch in a double parentheses pattern that increases visibility while creating a more distinct nighttime signature. The grille gets what Minami calls the "solid wing face." The headlights meld into the grille for a shallow V-shaped sweep across the nose.

"We wanted a more emotional contrast in the design," Minami said. "The character line captures the contrast of a round shape being pierced. The back end is sportier, the hood more pronounced. The interior isn't plasticky at all."

Honda did not disclose exact dimensions of the next Fit. But it the overall length and wheelbase grow slightly less than an inch, while the height and width remain the same. The next generation also sheds weight, but engineers wouldn't say how much.

Civic lessons

But the greatest leaps from the current car occur inside.

Still stinging from scathing reviews of the redesigned Civic's plasticky interior, interior design chief Asahi set out to upgrade the feel on the Fit with better materials, a simplified layout and a striking new high-tech center stack.

When the car is turned off, the center stack interface appears as an inanimate sheet of black glass. But it lights to life when the car is engaged, presenting electrostatic-control buttons for everything from heating and cooling to navigation and audio.

The large touch screen, which sprawls down the console, works on the same principle as a smartphone, Asahi said.

Asahi said he wanted to tone down the interior so it was less busy and more upscale. Stylists agonized over the leather grain paneling, a more refined small-print motif for the upholstery, silver-colored trim and the switch from cheaper circular swivel nozzles on the air vents to higher grade horizontal ones.

Looming in their memories: Lessons from the Civic.

"We aren't going to take the attitude, 'This is our cost, so make an interior that matches it,'" Asahi said. "My job is set high targets and achieve them with low-cost technologies. If you don't do this, design quality deteriorates. I think that was the problem with Civic."
Ranking the subcompacts
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U.S. sales through June

Nameplate
Nissan Versa 63,761
Kia Soul 63,031
Chevrolet Sonic 44,905
Ford Fiesta 38,164
Hyundai Accent 29,459
Honda Fit 25,541

Source: Automotive News Data Center
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seriously now, Honda....you had to ugly up the Fit too?

The Fit was one of the best looking sub compacts out there...hands down.

Now it looks like Honda shoved the Fit into a blender with the Nissan Versa.

Why Honda? Why?!?!?!?!?!??
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^^Here's to hoping that grill is a hybrid-only piece and that the regular Fit looks better.

...also hoping that an Fit SI will look even better.
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^^ Well, that would assume that the sides and rear look good, but they look just as bad.
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Old 07-19-2013, 11:28 AM
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While design isn't that bad (kinda reminds me of a Kei car)








it is less aggressive/sporty(?) looking vs current design





Those rear bumper cut-outs are though.


It'll probably end up having reflectors there like with the Accord coupe.

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Old 07-19-2013, 11:47 AM
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That hybrid drivetrain should be put into the '14 CR-Z..
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CR-Z needs a 4cyl turbo.
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Is that back window past the C-pillar fake? Gah...
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No, it is not.
Looks good, I like the red one more.
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It looks less sleek, and has that low rent, rental fleet look to it.


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