Edward'TLS

A self-destructing Honda/Acura 5AT autobox cannot considered to be reliable.

https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-tl-p...osting-573111/

iforyou

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I had one of those before.

Edward'TLS

^^^^^

Mine 2002 TL-S started to slip gear, all of a sudden with no prior warning, in the middle of a busy intersection while doing a left turn. It was scary, with my gas pedal on the floor and the car not accelerating, all the while incoming cars are racing towards me.

The shitty replacement tranny showed sign of another failure, then I was forced to get rid of the car in no time.

No way in hell was I gonna dish out $4-5K to repair the tranny with the tranny extended warranty all but expired.

DJ Iceman

How is that 2018 Accord turbo engine different/improved from the turbo engine Acura put in the first-gen RDX? I'm not an engine guy, so this question is out of genuine curiosity.

AZuser

Nor are oil burning spark plug fouling misfiring V6 engines.

Honda settles class-action lawsuit over oil-burning V6s - Autoblog

AZuser

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN19C0EI

biker

^ what did they want in ransom - a new NSX?

iforyou

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I replaced mine too. Fortunately for me, my experience was a lot less scary that yours as there were a few prior warnings (I felt sudden jerkiness on the hwy several times for a few months). It got worse progressively but I was able to mitigate the issue by putting the shift lever in 2nd gear and make it stay in that gear the whole time.

Also fortunately for me, I knew about this issue before hand and instead of replacing the tranny with another 02 TL-S 5AT, I asked my shop to source a 07 Accord V6 5AT for about $1000CAD. With labour plus a few other parts,the total cost was about CAD$3k. Quite a lot of money but I guess I got a much better deal that you did hahaha. And this tranny is bulletproof, plus the added benefit of better gearing, specifically for 4th and 5th gear. I'm sure you are familiar that if you go WOT and go from 3rd to 4th gear, the engine would drop out of vtec zone. the 07 Accord V6 Tranny didn't have that issue

The 1st gen RDX turbo engine was based on the K24 engine without direct injection and with a top-mount intercooler. Back in the days, it makes decent power and torque, but it suffers from poor fuel economy and noticeable turbo lag. With only port injection, its compression ratio is quite low at 8.8:1 I believe.

The new K20C1 in the Civic Type R has direct injection and has a compression ratio of 9.8:1. I believe its internals are beefier and can handle more boost. It also has a FMIC. Turbocharging technologies have advanced quite a bit in the past 10 years so I'd expect much less turbo lag and better real world fuel economy with the new engine. The new engine is also mated to either 6MT or 10AT, both should be way better than the 5AT in the RDX.

justnspace

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^to sum it up; the k23 wasnt made from the ground up to be a turbo engine.
these new honda engines are designed to be turbo'd, ie; EVERYTHING in and on the engine is engineered to take boost. from the cooling jackets to the wastegate to the exhaust. Honda packaged this engine with heat from the turbos in mind...because heat is the killer of all things.

iforyou

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+1. The K23 was really a half @$$ effort, unlike these new Earthdream vtec turbo engines.

SamDoe1

huh? The 07 is still the 7G Accord V6 and absolutely still suffers from the poor transmission issues. The 08+ models get the good transmissions.

TacoBello

Also:


V6

oonowindoo

Honda Auto Tranny and Bulletproof should not be used in the same sentence.

They might be improving but far away from being bulletproof.

iforyou

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Haha may be you are right about Honda Auto vs bullet proof. But yea, prior to my tranny issues, I've been reading and researching quite a bit just in case my tranny goes nuts on me. Some of them still have issues but those are much more minor with much lower failure rates compared to the 2G TL tranny.

I'm not sure if 08+ tranny would fit but the 07 unit is pretty much a direct fit with very little else needed.

oonowindoo

My 06 accord's 5AT with 110k miles has been reliable. I still don't have confidence in them

Legend2TL

2003 Pilot with 295k miles, original 5AT with the Honda recall transmission mod (additional ATF piped onto the countershaft).
I've only down drain/fill's every 10-20k miles, Honda ATF.

But I would never buy a 2G TL/CL

Legend2TL

+1

+1

horseshoez

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding the 2G CL was available with a 6-Speed manual and those cars, while rare, are a heck of a lot of fun and very pleasing to drive. Yes, no?

fsttyms1

Yes, in 2003, there were like 3k CL-S with the 6 speed. The rest were with the crap-tastic 5 speed autos

horseshoez

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Wow, only three-thousand CL 6MTs? Sounds like if a CL-S 6MT can be found in good condition the car should be snapped up as a "keeper".

Legend2TL

I've read CL-S with the 6MT are very nice, it's also why I bought a 3G 2005 TL 6MT.
Needed something with four doors that was fun to drive.
I know a couple people who had 2G TL (one a Type-S) and 2G CL with the 5AT and most had some transmission failure.

iforyou

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almost anything Honda/Acura with a MT is nice, except may be th the CR-Z lol.

horseshoez

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Not sure I could agree more.

oonowindoo

We really did not have any other real complaints on the CL-S except for its crappy paint quality (typical Honda) and the transmission. It was a car that offered so much more (performance and features) vs. its competitions.

fsttyms1

I had 5 failures in my 2GTL

00TL-P3.2

But none with the 6MT, right?

My 2G was on its 3rd trans when we traded it in.

AnthraciteTypeS

You are so right. Figured I would chime in here as my car fits right into the convo. I've had my 03 CL-S for the better half of 12 years now. After blowing 2 auto trans, I bought a totaled 6 speed and swapped mine to manual. That was 40K miles ago and have not had 1 issue since. Car has seen several trips to the 1/4 drag strip running 13.69@103 and has not missed a beat.

I take great care of her and plan to keep it for as long as possible. The car has also been repainted in that time and man she's cleeeaaan.

iforyou

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Whats under the hood man that's pretty good for a FWD 3500lb coupe lol.

justnspace

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^I think the 6MT swap helped him with gearing and weight

AnthraciteTypeS

Ported intake, tb, headers, & exhaust

iforyou

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Nice, that's a decent increase in trap speed for sure!

TSX69

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/all-new-honda-hybrid-drivetrain-under-development

All-new Honda hybrid drivetrain under development

New powertrain will 1st be used in a US-built car, which will lead the Japanese car maker’s shift towards electrification

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Honda will launch a dedicated hybrid model in 2018 as part of a wider push towards electric power, and these pictures show an early test car running the all-new powertrain.

The future car, which was confirmed at the Detroit motor show in January, will be built in the US and use a 2-motor and combustion engine set-up. Our sources believe this is the powertrain beneath the cut-and-shut body of the development car seen here.

The test car is based on a previous-generation Honda City, which is a saloon version of the Jazz sold in other markets. A likely reason for the car's lengthened body is to provide space for its large battery packs.




The car's powertrain will be related to the one used in the current Accord Hybrid that’s sold in the US. This is powered by a 2.0-litre 4-cylinder engine with electronic assistance. It produces 209bhp while offering 56.5mpg combined.

Honda hasn't commented on the test car or even confirmed whether its future hybrid production model will be sold in Europe, but it has stated that 50% of all new cars due to be released in the next 2 years will feature some sort of electrification in their powertrains. This suggests the drivetrain being developed here will make it to Europe in some form.


Takahiro Hachigo, Honda's president and CEO, said earlier this year: "In the long term, electrified vehicles are key to the future of carbon-free mobility." Honda's push towards electrification is a result of its ambitions to halve its total CO2 emissions, including those produced during manufacturing, by 2050, and is spearheaded by its halo model, the Honda NSX.

TSX69

http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...le-acura-waits

Accord gets the goodies, while Acura waits

Honda defers to heritage and timing as it 
deploys luxury touches on venerable sedan

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They're the kind of gee-whiz features designed for smiles in the showroom: a color head-up display, a customizable digital screen in the instrument panel, instant near-field communications link with a smartphone and even climate control knobs that glow red or blue depending on which direction they're turned.

While most automakers would save such surprise-and-delight features for their high-end luxury models or brand, Honda introduced them not on an Acura but on its bread-and-butter family car, the redesigned 2018 Accord.

Honda had its reasons: the timing of the Accord's release, its halo effect over the rest of the Honda brand and the competitive nature of the sedan segment. But they all drive home the point that within American Honda's walls, the Accord commands deep respect, while Acura remains stuck in a 2nd-fiddle role.

"When you look holistically at Honda and Acura in the marketplace you clearly see that Honda is the brand that's paying the bills and driving success and profitability," Eric Lyman, vice president for industry insights at TrueCar, told Automotive News.

The Accord was Honda's best-selling nameplate for decades and the car has played an outsize role in shaping Honda's identity within the U.S. market, selling more than 13 million since 1976. It wasn't until 2016 that a then-aging Accord gave up its crown at Honda to the redesigned Civic and the CR-V.

Honda saw the redesign of this storied model as an opportunity to introduce a ​ host of new features it had never used.

"The heritage of Accord is tightly wrapped with the history and success of the Honda brand," said Jeff Conrad, senior vice president of the auto division at American Honda. "And as we're looking at technology that we can mature and bring online in time for a product's introduction, Accord is the perfect candidate for it because it's such an important car for us."

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Conrad: Won't hold back tech innovations.

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Acura vehicles have a reputation for technological prowess. The brand hangs its hat on the Sport Hybrid all-wheel-drive system that's in the NSX supercar, MDX crossover and RLX large sedan. The TLX and RLX have all-wheel steering, while a variety of Acura models offer a dual-clutch transmission, something no current Honda model offers.

The next-gen RDX will be a critical marker for the brand. It will be the 1st redesign of the compact crossover since Jon Ikeda took over as general manager in 2015 and the first since Acura embarked on this latest recasting of its brand identity.

The RDX is now Acura's best seller, on pace to top 60,000 sales this year, making it a suitable for more headline-grabbing features. And there will be some on the 2019 model.

Acura will get its share of headline-grabbing features, such as the Precision Cockpit.

"We have some really strong innovative ideas that are going to be RDX-1st and Acura-1st," Ikeda told Automotive News. "Sometimes the cadence of things has worked out the way it does, but you'll see that plenty of things are coming through in the RDX."

In addition to evolved exterior styling, the RDX will be the 1st Acura to get an element of the Precision Cockpit interior concept shown at the 2016 Los Angeles auto show, Ikeda said.

In the meantime, the Accord stays in the limelight.

"It might rob Peter to pay Paul a little," Lyman said. "But the success they can leverage at Honda is going to pay dividends down the road."

kurtatx

We have been complaining about this for years. Outside of SH-AWD, Hondas get almost all the tech you can get on a well equipped Acura and yes, in some cases Honda gets features before Acura .

iforyou

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Nowadays a lot of economy cars get many features found in luxury cars. While Acura has its own unique tech like SH-Awd and sport hybrid, they also get a little nicer interior, better sound system, nicer ride, and better NVH. But in order for Acura to succeed, more has to be done. The interior has to be way better, the materials used need to be even nicer, the exterior design has to be more unique and pretty with a strong brand identity.

biker

http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...ebut-sporty-ev

TOKYO -- Honda aims to electrify at next month's Tokyo auto show with a new all-electric sporty concept car based on the same platform as the compact urban EV unveiled at the Frankfurt show.

A teaser photo of the Sports EV Concept shows a rear-slung performance silhouette with rounded rear fenders and a long hood evocative of the now-retired Honda S2000 sporty coupe.

The square tail lights get the same graphic treatment as the hatch-styled Urban EV Concept that debuted Honda’s future electric vehicle direction at this month's Frankfurt show.

Honda said the two cars share the same platform.

The Japanese carmaker is moving into EVs as automakers worldwide race to meet increasingly stringent emissions standards. Honda is developing an electric car for release in China next year, while the latest concepts preview a separate line of EVs for Europe in 2019 and other markets.

Japan’s Nikkei business daily reported this week that Honda, a long-time electric car skeptic, is working on a dedicated EV platform to cover a range of segments, from compact cars to SUVs. Earlier this week, Japanese rivals Toyota and Mazda formalized their plans to also jointly develop a new electric vehicle architecture to underpin a swatch of segments from minicars to light trucks.

Honda’s Sports EV Concept blends EV performance with artificial intelligence technology into a compact form, the company said in a preview of its Tokyo show plans. “Its unforgettable silhouette, friendly front fascia that naturally blends into any lifestyle, and supple surfaces make it a next-generation sports car that brings joy and emotional attachment in ownership,” Honda said of the car, which will be making its world premier.

The Urban EV Concept will make its Japan debut alongside its sporty stablemate in Tokyo.

Press days for the Tokyo show begin Oct. 25.

biker

oonowindoo

Is this the official Honda Mustang now?

kurtatx

Nah. After they dull it down it will look awful.

iforyou

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Possibly the new Prelude, with inspiration from the 1st gen?