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10-27-2016, 01:51 PM
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Well said Legend2TL. For Honda, it's that period from 2009-2013 or so that was bad. For Acura, it's mainly for its sedans from 09 till now.
Otherwise Honda has been more than just competitive since 2013...same for Acura SUV's. It's the Acura sedans that really need attention quickly. They have made too many mistakes with them for too long.
Otherwise Honda has been more than just competitive since 2013...same for Acura SUV's. It's the Acura sedans that really need attention quickly. They have made too many mistakes with them for too long.
01-09-2017, 01:00 PM
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Honda Adds All-New Dedicated Hybrid Model to Growing Electrified Lineup - Honda NewsHonda Adds All-New Dedicated Hybrid Model to Growing Electrified Lineup
Jan 9, 2017 - DETROIT
"Half of the all-new models Honda will launch in the United States in the coming 2 years will be electrified vehicles," said Takahiro Hachigo, President & CEO of Honda Motor Co., Ltd. "In the long term, electrified vehicles are key to the future of carbon-free mobility."
Honda set a global target for two-thirds of all sales to come from electrified models by 2030 and to halve its total company CO2 emissions from 2000 levels by 2050.
The new, dedicated hybrid vehicle will utilize Honda's innovative two-motor hybrid system, which is currently deployed in the 49 mpg Accord Hybrid, the most fuel efficient midsize sedan in America. The new model will be produced at an existing plant in the United States. Additional details on the vehicle and its manufacturing will be announced closer to launch.
In December 2016, Honda began the launch of its new Clarity series of electrified vehicles, starting with the Clarity Fuel Cell. The Clarity Fuel Cell is available through select California Honda dealers and boasts the highest range of any zero-emissions vehicle in America with its 366-mile EPA range rating.1 This year, Honda will launch the Clarity Electric and the Clarity Plug-In Hybrid, as the two remaining models in its Clarity series of premium midsize electrified vehicles.
About Honda
Honda offers a full line of reliable, fuel-efficient and fun-to-drive vehicles with advanced safety technologies sold through approximately 1,000 independent U.S. Honda dealers. The Honda lineup includes the Fit, Civic, Accord and Clarity Fuel Cell passenger cars, along with the HR-V, CR-V and Pilot sport/utility vehicles, the Ridgeline pickup and the Odyssey minivan.Honda has been producing automobiles in America for 34 years and currently operates 19 major manufacturing facilities in North America. In 2016, about 96 percent of all Honda vehicles sold in the U.S. were made in North America, using domestic and globally sourced parts.
- New hybrid model will be made in America and launch in 2018
- 2-motor hybrid system to be applied to light truck lineup
- More than half of all new models launching in next two years will be electrified vehicles
"Half of the all-new models Honda will launch in the United States in the coming 2 years will be electrified vehicles," said Takahiro Hachigo, President & CEO of Honda Motor Co., Ltd. "In the long term, electrified vehicles are key to the future of carbon-free mobility."
Honda set a global target for two-thirds of all sales to come from electrified models by 2030 and to halve its total company CO2 emissions from 2000 levels by 2050.
The new, dedicated hybrid vehicle will utilize Honda's innovative two-motor hybrid system, which is currently deployed in the 49 mpg Accord Hybrid, the most fuel efficient midsize sedan in America. The new model will be produced at an existing plant in the United States. Additional details on the vehicle and its manufacturing will be announced closer to launch.
In December 2016, Honda began the launch of its new Clarity series of electrified vehicles, starting with the Clarity Fuel Cell. The Clarity Fuel Cell is available through select California Honda dealers and boasts the highest range of any zero-emissions vehicle in America with its 366-mile EPA range rating.1 This year, Honda will launch the Clarity Electric and the Clarity Plug-In Hybrid, as the two remaining models in its Clarity series of premium midsize electrified vehicles.
About Honda
Honda offers a full line of reliable, fuel-efficient and fun-to-drive vehicles with advanced safety technologies sold through approximately 1,000 independent U.S. Honda dealers. The Honda lineup includes the Fit, Civic, Accord and Clarity Fuel Cell passenger cars, along with the HR-V, CR-V and Pilot sport/utility vehicles, the Ridgeline pickup and the Odyssey minivan.Honda has been producing automobiles in America for 34 years and currently operates 19 major manufacturing facilities in North America. In 2016, about 96 percent of all Honda vehicles sold in the U.S. were made in North America, using domestic and globally sourced parts.
01-09-2017, 02:27 PM
#2523
Azine Jabroni
This and all the other announcements regarding electric vehicles make me think Tesla might get in trouble as a car company in the future.
02-02-2017, 01:28 PM
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GM and Honda to Establish Industry-First Joint Fuel Cell System Manufacturing Operation in Michigan - Honda News
GM and Honda to Establish Industry-First Joint Fuel Cell System Manufacturing Operation in Michigan
Advanced fuel cell technology will be applied to each company's future products
Jan 31, 2017 - DETROIT
General Motors Co. (NYSE: GM) and Honda (NYSE: HMC) today announced establishment of the auto industry's first manufacturing joint venture to mass produce an advanced hydrogen fuel cell system that will be used in future products from each company.
Fuel Cell System Manufacturing, LLC will operate within GM's existing battery pack manufacturing facility site in Brownstown, Michigan, south of Detroit. Mass production of fuel cell systems is expected to begin around 2020 and create nearly 100 new jobs. The companies are making equal investments totaling $85 million in the joint venture.
Honda and GM have been working together through a master collaboration agreement announced in July 2013. It established the co-development arrangement for a next-generation fuel cell system and hydrogen storage technologies. The companies integrated their development teams and shared hydrogen fuel cell intellectual property to create a more affordable commercial solution for fuel cell and hydrogen storage systems.
"Over the past three years, engineers from Honda and GM have been working as one team with each company providing know-how from its unique expertise to create a compact and low-cost next-generation fuel cell system," said Toshiaki Mikoshiba, chief operating officer of the North American Region for Honda Motor Co., Ltd. and president & CEO of American Honda Co., Inc. and Honda North America, Inc. "This foundation of outstanding teamwork will now take us to the stage of joint mass production of a fuel cell system that will help each company create new value for our customers in fuel cell vehicles of the future."
The Fuel Cell System Manufacturing (FCSM) joint venture will be operated by a board of directors consisting of three executives from each company that will include a rotating chairperson. In addition, a president will be appointed to rotate between each company.
GM and Honda are acknowledged leaders in fuel cell technology with more than 2,220 patents between them, according to the Clean Energy Patent Growth Index. GM and Honda rank No. 1 and No. 3, respectively, in total fuel cell patents filed in 2002 through 2015.
"The combination of two leaders in fuel cell innovation is an exciting development in bringing fuel cells closer to the mainstream of propulsion applications," said Mark Reuss, GM executive vice president, Global Product Development, Purchasing and Supply Chain. "The eventual deployment of this technology in passenger vehicles will create more differentiated and environmentally friendly transportation options for consumers."
Fuel cell technology addresses many of the major challenges facing automobiles today: petroleum dependency, emissions, efficiency, range and refueling times. Fuel cell vehicles can operate on hydrogen made from renewable sources such as wind and biomass. Water vapor is the only emission from fuel cell vehicles.
In addition to advancing the performance of the fuel cell system, GM and Honda are working together to reduce the cost of development and manufacturing through economies of scale and common sourcing. The two companies also continue to work with governments and other stakeholders to further advance the refueling infrastructure that is critical for the long-term viability and consumer acceptance of fuel cell vehicles.
GM is currently demonstrating the capability of fuel cells across a range of land, sea and air applications. The company has accumulated millions of miles of real-world driving in fuel cell vehicles.
"With the next-generation fuel cell system, GM and Honda are making a dramatic step toward lower cost, higher-volume fuel cell systems. Precious metals have been reduced dramatically and a fully cross-functional team is developing advanced manufacturing processes simultaneously with advances in the design," said Charlie Freese, GM executive director of Global Fuel Cell Business. "The result is a lower-cost system that is a fraction of the size and mass."
Honda began delivery of its all-new Clarity Fuel Cell vehicle to U.S. customers in December 2016 following a spring 2016 launch in Japan. The Clarity Fuel Cell received the best driving range rating from the EPA of any electric vehicle without a combustion engine with a range rating of 366 miles and fuel economy rating of 68 miles per gallon of gasoline-equivalent combined.
"The expertise Honda has established that led to creation of the first-generation Clarity fuel cell system is valuable experience that we are leveraging in the joint development of the next-generation fuel cell system with GM," said Takashi Sekiguchi, managing officer and director and chief operating officer of Automotive Operations, Honda Motor Co., Ltd. "Our collaboration is an opportunity to further utilize the strengths of each company to popularize fuel cell vehicles at the earliest possible time."
GM and Honda collaborated in a powertrain cross-supply arrangement in 1999 under which Honda manufactured 50,000 V-6 engines for the Saturn VUE and Honda received diesel engines from GM's Isuzu affiliate for use in Europe.
Advanced fuel cell technology will be applied to each company's future products
Jan 31, 2017 - DETROIT
General Motors Co. (NYSE: GM) and Honda (NYSE: HMC) today announced establishment of the auto industry's first manufacturing joint venture to mass produce an advanced hydrogen fuel cell system that will be used in future products from each company.
Fuel Cell System Manufacturing, LLC will operate within GM's existing battery pack manufacturing facility site in Brownstown, Michigan, south of Detroit. Mass production of fuel cell systems is expected to begin around 2020 and create nearly 100 new jobs. The companies are making equal investments totaling $85 million in the joint venture.
Honda and GM have been working together through a master collaboration agreement announced in July 2013. It established the co-development arrangement for a next-generation fuel cell system and hydrogen storage technologies. The companies integrated their development teams and shared hydrogen fuel cell intellectual property to create a more affordable commercial solution for fuel cell and hydrogen storage systems.
"Over the past three years, engineers from Honda and GM have been working as one team with each company providing know-how from its unique expertise to create a compact and low-cost next-generation fuel cell system," said Toshiaki Mikoshiba, chief operating officer of the North American Region for Honda Motor Co., Ltd. and president & CEO of American Honda Co., Inc. and Honda North America, Inc. "This foundation of outstanding teamwork will now take us to the stage of joint mass production of a fuel cell system that will help each company create new value for our customers in fuel cell vehicles of the future."
The Fuel Cell System Manufacturing (FCSM) joint venture will be operated by a board of directors consisting of three executives from each company that will include a rotating chairperson. In addition, a president will be appointed to rotate between each company.
GM and Honda are acknowledged leaders in fuel cell technology with more than 2,220 patents between them, according to the Clean Energy Patent Growth Index. GM and Honda rank No. 1 and No. 3, respectively, in total fuel cell patents filed in 2002 through 2015.
"The combination of two leaders in fuel cell innovation is an exciting development in bringing fuel cells closer to the mainstream of propulsion applications," said Mark Reuss, GM executive vice president, Global Product Development, Purchasing and Supply Chain. "The eventual deployment of this technology in passenger vehicles will create more differentiated and environmentally friendly transportation options for consumers."
Fuel cell technology addresses many of the major challenges facing automobiles today: petroleum dependency, emissions, efficiency, range and refueling times. Fuel cell vehicles can operate on hydrogen made from renewable sources such as wind and biomass. Water vapor is the only emission from fuel cell vehicles.
In addition to advancing the performance of the fuel cell system, GM and Honda are working together to reduce the cost of development and manufacturing through economies of scale and common sourcing. The two companies also continue to work with governments and other stakeholders to further advance the refueling infrastructure that is critical for the long-term viability and consumer acceptance of fuel cell vehicles.
GM is currently demonstrating the capability of fuel cells across a range of land, sea and air applications. The company has accumulated millions of miles of real-world driving in fuel cell vehicles.
"With the next-generation fuel cell system, GM and Honda are making a dramatic step toward lower cost, higher-volume fuel cell systems. Precious metals have been reduced dramatically and a fully cross-functional team is developing advanced manufacturing processes simultaneously with advances in the design," said Charlie Freese, GM executive director of Global Fuel Cell Business. "The result is a lower-cost system that is a fraction of the size and mass."
Honda began delivery of its all-new Clarity Fuel Cell vehicle to U.S. customers in December 2016 following a spring 2016 launch in Japan. The Clarity Fuel Cell received the best driving range rating from the EPA of any electric vehicle without a combustion engine with a range rating of 366 miles and fuel economy rating of 68 miles per gallon of gasoline-equivalent combined.
"The expertise Honda has established that led to creation of the first-generation Clarity fuel cell system is valuable experience that we are leveraging in the joint development of the next-generation fuel cell system with GM," said Takashi Sekiguchi, managing officer and director and chief operating officer of Automotive Operations, Honda Motor Co., Ltd. "Our collaboration is an opportunity to further utilize the strengths of each company to popularize fuel cell vehicles at the earliest possible time."
GM and Honda collaborated in a powertrain cross-supply arrangement in 1999 under which Honda manufactured 50,000 V-6 engines for the Saturn VUE and Honda received diesel engines from GM's Isuzu affiliate for use in Europe.
02-02-2017, 01:48 PM
#2525
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Great, soon we will all be driving GMs, and cutting our springs 
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02-07-2017, 12:52 PM
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Hitachi Automotive Systems and Honda Sign MoU Aiming to Establish a Joint Venture Company for Electric Vehicle Motors - Honda News
Hitachi Automotive Systems and Honda Sign MoU Aiming to Establish a Joint Venture Company for Electric Vehicle Motors
Feb 7, 2017
Hitachi Automotive Systems, Ltd., and Honda Motor Co., Ltd., today announced the signing of a Memorandum of Understanding ("MoU") on Feb. 3, aiming to establish a joint venture company for the development, manufacture and sales of motors for electric vehicles. The two companies now will conduct formal discussions regarding the establishment of the new company.
Since Hitachi Automotive Systems first started selling motors for electric vehicles in 1999, it has been refining its technological and product capabilities to develop high-output, lightweight and compact electric vehicle motors. The company has delivered a high volume of these motors to vehicle manufacturers in Japan and throughout the world, and has earned high praise throughout the industry for the performance of these products and its production technology.
Since 1999, when Honda launched its first hybrid car, Insight, the company has focused on expanding its electric vehicle line-up as it continues to enhance its technological and production capabilities with respect to the motors that form the core component of electric vehicles.
Going forward, with environmental conservation measures and regulations increasing on a global scale, the market for electric vehicles is expected to continue to grow. Based on this direction, the two companies signed the MoU with the aim of using the collaboration between a vehicle manufacturer and supplier to generate technological synergy and economies of scale that will strengthen their competitive advantage and business foundation for the motors at the core of an electric vehicle system.
Subsidiary operations of the new Japan-based joint venture are planned for the United States and People's Republic of China, each with manufacturing and sales functions. Together with the establishment of these operations, the new company will expand the global supply of motors by creating a robust response to demand from Honda and other vehicle manufacturers.
In parallel to the efforts of the new company, Hitachi Automotive Systems will continue to promote its business operations by maintaining the business relationships it has with vehicle manufacturers that receive their supply of motors from the company. Moreover, Honda will continue to focus on the global promotion of electric vehicles by using motors from the new company as well as the motors it currently manufactures itself in Japan.
Further details of the joint venture are currently under discussion by the two companies. The following are items that are currently part of the plan:
1. Overview of the Joint Venture Company (planned)
Name of company: To be determined
Location: 2520 Takaba, Hitachinaka City, Ibaraki Prefecture.
Representative: To be determined
Business: Development, manufacture and sales of motors for electric vehicles
Capital: 5 billion yen
Planned date of establishment: July 2017
Investment ratio: Hitachi Automotive Systems, Ltd. (51%) ; Honda Motor Co., Ltd. (49%)
2. Future schedule
The signing of the definitive agreement for the establishment of the joint venture company is planned for the end of March 2017.
Feb 7, 2017
Hitachi Automotive Systems, Ltd., and Honda Motor Co., Ltd., today announced the signing of a Memorandum of Understanding ("MoU") on Feb. 3, aiming to establish a joint venture company for the development, manufacture and sales of motors for electric vehicles. The two companies now will conduct formal discussions regarding the establishment of the new company.
Since Hitachi Automotive Systems first started selling motors for electric vehicles in 1999, it has been refining its technological and product capabilities to develop high-output, lightweight and compact electric vehicle motors. The company has delivered a high volume of these motors to vehicle manufacturers in Japan and throughout the world, and has earned high praise throughout the industry for the performance of these products and its production technology.
Since 1999, when Honda launched its first hybrid car, Insight, the company has focused on expanding its electric vehicle line-up as it continues to enhance its technological and production capabilities with respect to the motors that form the core component of electric vehicles.
Going forward, with environmental conservation measures and regulations increasing on a global scale, the market for electric vehicles is expected to continue to grow. Based on this direction, the two companies signed the MoU with the aim of using the collaboration between a vehicle manufacturer and supplier to generate technological synergy and economies of scale that will strengthen their competitive advantage and business foundation for the motors at the core of an electric vehicle system.
Subsidiary operations of the new Japan-based joint venture are planned for the United States and People's Republic of China, each with manufacturing and sales functions. Together with the establishment of these operations, the new company will expand the global supply of motors by creating a robust response to demand from Honda and other vehicle manufacturers.
In parallel to the efforts of the new company, Hitachi Automotive Systems will continue to promote its business operations by maintaining the business relationships it has with vehicle manufacturers that receive their supply of motors from the company. Moreover, Honda will continue to focus on the global promotion of electric vehicles by using motors from the new company as well as the motors it currently manufactures itself in Japan.
Further details of the joint venture are currently under discussion by the two companies. The following are items that are currently part of the plan:
1. Overview of the Joint Venture Company (planned)
Name of company: To be determined
Location: 2520 Takaba, Hitachinaka City, Ibaraki Prefecture.
Representative: To be determined
Business: Development, manufacture and sales of motors for electric vehicles
Capital: 5 billion yen
Planned date of establishment: July 2017
Investment ratio: Hitachi Automotive Systems, Ltd. (51%) ; Honda Motor Co., Ltd. (49%)
2. Future schedule
The signing of the definitive agreement for the establishment of the joint venture company is planned for the end of March 2017.
03-07-2017, 06:44 AM
#2527
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10 Speed
Honda Invests Nearly $150 Million to Begin U.S. Production of New 10-Speed Transmission - Honda News
Honda Invests Nearly $150 Million to Begin U.S. Production of New 10-Speed Transmission
Investment supports new production operations in Georgia and Ohio
Mar 6, 2017TALLAPOOSA, Ga. – Honda today launched global production of a new, state-of-the-art 10-speed automatic transmission at Honda Precision Parts of Georgia, LLC (HPPG) in Tallapoosa, Georgia.
Honda also announced that it has invested nearly $150 million in 2 U.S. manufacturing plants for production of the industry's 1st 10-speed automatic transmission (10AT) for front-wheel-drive vehicles.
The new investment includes $100 million for a new assembly line and production modifications at HPPG and an additional $49 million to provide new equipment and increased production capacity at Honda Transmission Mfg. of America, Inc. (HTM) in Russells Point, Ohio. The amount adds to the more than $3 billion that Honda has invested in its U.S. plants over the past 4 years.
Developed by Honda R&D, the new 10AT features a low-friction design, which will deliver outstanding drivability in new Honda and Acura vehicles. It will appear first in upper grades of the all-new 2018 Honda Odyssey minivan, launching this spring, and will be applied to additional light-truck and car models in the future.
"This new 10-speed automatic transmission represents Honda's commitment to provide our customers with products of outstanding performance, and we are honored to be the global lead plant for production of the 10AT," said Masahiko Kayama, president of Honda Precision Parts of Georgia. "Manufacturing the new transmission in Georgia is a huge responsibility and a great opportunity for Honda associates to demonstrate their manufacturing capabilities and commitment."
HPPG was established in 2006 and annually produces more than 375,000 transmissions for Honda and Acura automobiles. HTM began production in 1996 and now produces more than 1 million transmissions per year for Honda and Acura vehicles built in North America.
Honda also announced that it has invested nearly $150 million in 2 U.S. manufacturing plants for production of the industry's 1st 10-speed automatic transmission (10AT) for front-wheel-drive vehicles.
The new investment includes $100 million for a new assembly line and production modifications at HPPG and an additional $49 million to provide new equipment and increased production capacity at Honda Transmission Mfg. of America, Inc. (HTM) in Russells Point, Ohio. The amount adds to the more than $3 billion that Honda has invested in its U.S. plants over the past 4 years.
Developed by Honda R&D, the new 10AT features a low-friction design, which will deliver outstanding drivability in new Honda and Acura vehicles. It will appear first in upper grades of the all-new 2018 Honda Odyssey minivan, launching this spring, and will be applied to additional light-truck and car models in the future.
"This new 10-speed automatic transmission represents Honda's commitment to provide our customers with products of outstanding performance, and we are honored to be the global lead plant for production of the 10AT," said Masahiko Kayama, president of Honda Precision Parts of Georgia. "Manufacturing the new transmission in Georgia is a huge responsibility and a great opportunity for Honda associates to demonstrate their manufacturing capabilities and commitment."
HPPG was established in 2006 and annually produces more than 375,000 transmissions for Honda and Acura automobiles. HTM began production in 1996 and now produces more than 1 million transmissions per year for Honda and Acura vehicles built in North America.
03-07-2017, 07:13 AM
#2528
Azine Jabroni
Why?!!!!
03-07-2017, 07:48 AM
#2529
Senior Moderator
How about giving that 150 million to oh say ACURA to hire and head hunt competent leaders to run the company and design the vehicles into something that consumers want?
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03-07-2017, 09:10 AM
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03-07-2017, 01:12 PM
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Wait, what's wrong with investing on a new tranny that will also be used on Acura models??
Honda has the 6AT which is pretty decent, but the latest ZF 9AT has been an ongoing issue. With other manufacturers also coming out with 10AT, to stay competitive, it makes sense that Honda has its own 10AT too?
Honda has the 6AT which is pretty decent, but the latest ZF 9AT has been an ongoing issue. With other manufacturers also coming out with 10AT, to stay competitive, it makes sense that Honda has its own 10AT too?
03-07-2017, 01:48 PM
#2532
Azine Jabroni
Wait, what's wrong with investing on a new tranny that will also be used on Acura models??
Honda has the 6AT which is pretty decent, but the latest ZF 9AT has been an ongoing issue. With other manufacturers also coming out with 10AT, to stay competitive, it makes sense that Honda has its own 10AT too?
Honda has the 6AT which is pretty decent, but the latest ZF 9AT has been an ongoing issue. With other manufacturers also coming out with 10AT, to stay competitive, it makes sense that Honda has its own 10AT too?
03-07-2017, 02:58 PM
#2533
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Wait, what's wrong with investing on a new tranny that will also be used on Acura models??
Honda has the 6AT which is pretty decent, but the latest ZF 9AT has been an ongoing issue. With other manufacturers also coming out with 10AT, to stay competitive, it makes sense that Honda has its own 10AT too?
Honda has the 6AT which is pretty decent, but the latest ZF 9AT has been an ongoing issue. With other manufacturers also coming out with 10AT, to stay competitive, it makes sense that Honda has its own 10AT too?
Or a new freaking 6 cylinder engine? or a new face for the TLX or even a RWD platform? i can see so many other things that Honda could spend the $150M on than a questionable 10AT.
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03-07-2017, 06:21 PM
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I don't disagree that Honda needs to work on other things, like new platform, engines, etc.
But how do we know if those aren't on the way? It's just that the 10AT is completed first, and thus announced first. I mean, I don't think it's like, blow $150mil on 10AT, and leave the rest of the stuff the same.
The 10AT will be used in Acura models too. And whether we like it or not, major auto makers are building new 10AT. Ford and GM already made one together.
And again, the only legit auto tranny Honda has right now for its V6 models is the 6AT. The 9AT has been poorly received. So, it's kinda urgent for the whole company IMO.
But how do we know if those aren't on the way? It's just that the 10AT is completed first, and thus announced first. I mean, I don't think it's like, blow $150mil on 10AT, and leave the rest of the stuff the same.
The 10AT will be used in Acura models too. And whether we like it or not, major auto makers are building new 10AT. Ford and GM already made one together.
And again, the only legit auto tranny Honda has right now for its V6 models is the 6AT. The 9AT has been poorly received. So, it's kinda urgent for the whole company IMO.
03-07-2017, 06:41 PM
#2535
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The problem is .... no one is demanding that Honda or Acura need a new tranny... 6AT.. 8DCT... or 9AT (needs fix).....
They came up with the conclusion that somehow they have to be competitive in the the # of gears war.... when they should be competitive in other areas where people actually give a shit.
No one is going to buy Acura because of the # of gear it has... and adding 1 or 2 more gears will not help Honda sell many more cars.
Also based on Honda/Acura's track record of AT.... it will not be a good marketing tool either.
So it all comes down to ... "what is the point?"
They came up with the conclusion that somehow they have to be competitive in the the # of gears war.... when they should be competitive in other areas where people actually give a shit.
No one is going to buy Acura because of the # of gear it has... and adding 1 or 2 more gears will not help Honda sell many more cars.
Also based on Honda/Acura's track record of AT.... it will not be a good marketing tool either.
So it all comes down to ... "what is the point?"
03-08-2017, 01:22 PM
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The point isn't about being involved in the # of gears war.
The point is, Honda only has 6AT for cars over 250hp.
That's the reason they need another tranny. Unfortunately, if they solder on with 6AT for the next decade, they will be waaaaaaaaaaay behind. 6AT MIGHT be ok for now, but for the next decade? I am not too sure about that.
I don't know, just because Honda hasn't had the best reliability record with in-house tranny, doesn't mean they should just stick with 6AT forever..right? Audi used to be making pretty unreliable cars..doesn't mean they should stop making cars....
They tried to outsource their tranny, but it backfired on them big time.
And again, it's not like they are just focusing on 10AT and do f*** all elsewhere. It just happens the 10AT is ready now, so it will be launched sooner. It doesn't mean the Precision program is scraped.
Wouldn't it be nice for once that Acura has its own unique platform, with highly competitive engine, modern tranny, nice interior, strong feature set, and excellent styling?
The point is, Honda only has 6AT for cars over 250hp.
That's the reason they need another tranny. Unfortunately, if they solder on with 6AT for the next decade, they will be waaaaaaaaaaay behind. 6AT MIGHT be ok for now, but for the next decade? I am not too sure about that.
I don't know, just because Honda hasn't had the best reliability record with in-house tranny, doesn't mean they should just stick with 6AT forever..right? Audi used to be making pretty unreliable cars..doesn't mean they should stop making cars....
They tried to outsource their tranny, but it backfired on them big time.
And again, it's not like they are just focusing on 10AT and do f*** all elsewhere. It just happens the 10AT is ready now, so it will be launched sooner. It doesn't mean the Precision program is scraped.
Wouldn't it be nice for once that Acura has its own unique platform, with highly competitive engine, modern tranny, nice interior, strong feature set, and excellent styling?
03-08-2017, 01:35 PM
#2537
Team Owner
RLX has more than 6 gears. At least the sport hybrid does. Granted it's a DCT I believe, but whatever.
Also, I'm pretty sure it's not rocket science to buy a base model car from your competitor (of similar class size), disassemble the transmission and copy it.
Also, I'm pretty sure it's not rocket science to buy a base model car from your competitor (of similar class size), disassemble the transmission and copy it.
03-08-2017, 01:49 PM
#2538
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iforyou, yah it would be nice... except Acura does not and will not have anything unique.. including the 10AT, which is a pass down from Honda too.
So what you said is not valid.
So what you said is not valid.
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03-08-2017, 01:51 PM
#2539
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That is called get the ZF8 and be done with it. Focus the R&D $ on new engine.... a V6 Turbo with SHAWD.
03-08-2017, 01:58 PM
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I think that DCT is designed specifically for sport hybrid setup. Not sure if it can easily re-engineered for non sport hybrid purpose.
For sure it's not rocket science to buy a competitor's car and reverse engineer it. It happens all the time. But rather than copying, I think they look for ways to improve.
I don't know if Acura will have anything unique - can't predict the future man. But right now SH-AWD, 8-DCT, and sport hybrid are unique. Going forward, who knows if they will have their own unique platform? The idea is that the 10AT will be used on high end Honda's and low end Acura's. This is pretty common practice for companies. Lexus does it, Audi does it, Cadillac does it.
For instance, for next gen MDX, they can have:
3.5L with 10AT
3.5L with sport hybrid with 7-DCT
ZF 8AT is for longitudinal setup. May be if Acura does make the switch to that, they can use that excellent tranny?
For sure it's not rocket science to buy a competitor's car and reverse engineer it. It happens all the time. But rather than copying, I think they look for ways to improve.
I don't know if Acura will have anything unique - can't predict the future man. But right now SH-AWD, 8-DCT, and sport hybrid are unique. Going forward, who knows if they will have their own unique platform? The idea is that the 10AT will be used on high end Honda's and low end Acura's. This is pretty common practice for companies. Lexus does it, Audi does it, Cadillac does it.
For instance, for next gen MDX, they can have:
3.5L with 10AT
3.5L with sport hybrid with 7-DCT
ZF 8AT is for longitudinal setup. May be if Acura does make the switch to that, they can use that excellent tranny?
03-08-2017, 02:27 PM
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I think that DCT is designed specifically for sport hybrid setup. Not sure if it can easily re-engineered for non sport hybrid purpose.
For sure it's not rocket science to buy a competitor's car and reverse engineer it. It happens all the time. But rather than copying, I think they look for ways to improve.
I don't know if Acura will have anything unique - can't predict the future man. But right now SH-AWD, 8-DCT, and sport hybrid are unique. Going forward, who knows if they will have their own unique platform? The idea is that the 10AT will be used on high end Honda's and low end Acura's. This is pretty common practice for companies. Lexus does it, Audi does it, Cadillac does it.
For instance, for next gen MDX, they can have:
3.5L with 10AT
3.5L with sport hybrid with 7-DCT
ZF 8AT is for longitudinal setup. May be if Acura does make the switch to that, they can use that excellent tranny?
For sure it's not rocket science to buy a competitor's car and reverse engineer it. It happens all the time. But rather than copying, I think they look for ways to improve.
I don't know if Acura will have anything unique - can't predict the future man. But right now SH-AWD, 8-DCT, and sport hybrid are unique. Going forward, who knows if they will have their own unique platform? The idea is that the 10AT will be used on high end Honda's and low end Acura's. This is pretty common practice for companies. Lexus does it, Audi does it, Cadillac does it.
For instance, for next gen MDX, they can have:
3.5L with 10AT
3.5L with sport hybrid with 7-DCT
ZF 8AT is for longitudinal setup. May be if Acura does make the switch to that, they can use that excellent tranny?
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03-08-2017, 04:43 PM
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Looking back to the past 27 years, Acura has tried many strategies, and changed many directions. But nothing worked, in terms of elevating the Acura brand to the real luxury auto brand status.
Why ? Because auto buyers view the Acura vehicles just as another damn Honda automobile; the latest Acura-MDX/Honda-Pilot duo is a good example, simple too much similarities.
So, RWD may be the only key to the revival of the Acura brand, to set it apart from all the econo Honda brand automobiles.
Why ? Because auto buyers view the Acura vehicles just as another damn Honda automobile; the latest Acura-MDX/Honda-Pilot duo is a good example, simple too much similarities.
So, RWD may be the only key to the revival of the Acura brand, to set it apart from all the econo Honda brand automobiles.
03-08-2017, 05:20 PM
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I don't think RWD alone will save Acura but it is definitely a good first step. I mean is it necessary? No. But the Luxury market is about Excess, not the Necessity. Acura really need to get that fact into their head....
If Acura does have RWD platform... then they will actually have something new to sell.... not the same shit with different sugar coating.
If Acura does have RWD platform... then they will actually have something new to sell.... not the same shit with different sugar coating.
03-09-2017, 07:32 AM
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I don't think RWD alone will save Acura but it is definitely a good first step. I mean is it necessary? No. But the Luxury market is about Excess, not the Necessity. Acura really need to get that fact into their head....
If Acura does have RWD platform... then they will actually have something new to sell.... not the same shit with different sugar coating.
If Acura does have RWD platform... then they will actually have something new to sell.... not the same shit with different sugar coating.
03-09-2017, 11:11 AM
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Audi is not a good example since their sales record is getting better but still not something to brag about..
03-09-2017, 12:54 PM
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Perhaps the better question is, why not develop another DCT that can handle more torque?
haha no man. The ZF8HP works with any longitudinal setup. RWD is an option, but so is FWD, like Audi. Tons of Audi models use that tranny.
I don't think RWD alone will save Acura but it is definitely a good first step. I mean is it necessary? No. But the Luxury market is about Excess, not the Necessity. Acura really need to get that fact into their head....
If Acura does have RWD platform... then they will actually have something new to sell.... not the same shit with different sugar coating.
If Acura does have RWD platform... then they will actually have something new to sell.... not the same shit with different sugar coating.
Spot on. 55% of American-bought Audi A4s are not quattro. That means FWD. It's all the other crap and the fit and finish that sell Audis more than the quattro. While I believe a higher percentage of luxury buyers care about driving wheels, that number is still reasonably small.
someone here posted before, but Audi is gaining market share in the US market every year for the past decade or so. It's not quite at BMW or MB level yet, but assuming that Audi is growing at the same rate, it probably won't be long before they are at the same level.
03-09-2017, 02:41 PM
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I don't think RWD alone will save Acura but it is definitely a good first step. I mean is it necessary? No. But the Luxury market is about Excess, not the Necessity. Acura really need to get that fact into their head....
If Acura does have RWD platform... then they will actually have something new to sell.... not the same shit with different sugar coating.
If Acura does have RWD platform... then they will actually have something new to sell.... not the same shit with different sugar coating.
I was given a 2016 MDX tech when my RDX was in for service that I drove for 3 days and not for a second was I fooled. I could see right through the badge. The materials were plasticky and really cheap (especially on the doors, give me a break for 55-70k price tag I expect soft touch materials all the way down the doors or at minimum the top half and if it's only the too half, it better feel really nice).
I took my Sorento in for an oil change today and sat in the 2016 sorento sx-l they had in the showroom and was beyond impressed with how well everything was put together. It also had things like partial digital gauge clusters, mirrors that automatically fold and unfolds with puddle lights when you approach the car and LED's in the door handles, faux suede headliner and door pillars, soft touch materials on the top 2/3 of the door, there was real aluminum trim on the inside, the seats were 2-tone with a very cool cross stitched lattern for the perforations, the glove box was lined with a nice felt material, the doors shut with a real solid thud and the driver seat was 14 way with an electronic thigh extender and 4-way lumbar while the passenger seat was 8 way operable. It was not the tech toys (notice I didn't mention things like panoramic sunroof..etc) that impressed me, it was the way everything was put together and just the way it made me feel. I honestly and confidently can say the Sorento is a nicer and more luxurious feeling car than the MDX without reservation. Did I mention the sorento tops off about 3-5k CHEAPER than the MDX starts?
When Acura's start feeling better than Kia's, come and tell me about it.
Here is a pic of the cross stitching I was talking about in the leather seats.
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Based on the MDX price tag you mentioned, are you from Canada? As in the US, it's a $45-$55k car.
Assuming you are talking CAD, then I'm not sure if you have been to the Autoshow. But over there, you will be disappointed to find many CAD$55-70k cars that don't have really nice soft touch materials down the top half of the door.
The Sorrento receives good review for its interior. But I'm not sure if it's really fair to compare it with the MDX. Not sure if you've been in the new Pilot yet, but I find that to be pretty darn nice inside too, at about the same price point as the Sorrento.
The MDX is just at another level when it comes to performance. It's gonna be asking more money when it can do 0-60mph in 6 seconds flat (heck C/D even got it to be in the 5's) and doing the 1/4 mile in the 14's. Granted, the Pilot can do the same, but it's definitely something that the Sorrento cannot do. Comparison, it does 0-60mph in over 7 seconds and the 1/4 mile in the 15's.
The MDX was also tuned at the Nurburgring for its handling and ride characteristics.This is why it's always gets good praise for its athletic handling, whereas the Sorrento is said to have average handling.
No, no one is gonna race these soccer mom cars. But this is what luxury is about. It's about excessive. You know, like excessive speed, excessive handling, etc. This is why the MDX costs more money.
Assuming you are talking CAD, then I'm not sure if you have been to the Autoshow. But over there, you will be disappointed to find many CAD$55-70k cars that don't have really nice soft touch materials down the top half of the door.
The Sorrento receives good review for its interior. But I'm not sure if it's really fair to compare it with the MDX. Not sure if you've been in the new Pilot yet, but I find that to be pretty darn nice inside too, at about the same price point as the Sorrento.
The MDX is just at another level when it comes to performance. It's gonna be asking more money when it can do 0-60mph in 6 seconds flat (heck C/D even got it to be in the 5's) and doing the 1/4 mile in the 14's. Granted, the Pilot can do the same, but it's definitely something that the Sorrento cannot do. Comparison, it does 0-60mph in over 7 seconds and the 1/4 mile in the 15's.
The MDX was also tuned at the Nurburgring for its handling and ride characteristics.This is why it's always gets good praise for its athletic handling, whereas the Sorrento is said to have average handling.
No, no one is gonna race these soccer mom cars. But this is what luxury is about. It's about excessive. You know, like excessive speed, excessive handling, etc. This is why the MDX costs more money.
03-10-2017, 09:16 PM
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Based on the MDX price tag you mentioned, are you from Canada? As in the US, it's a $45-$55k car.
Assuming you are talking CAD, then I'm not sure if you have been to the Autoshow. But over there, you will be disappointed to find many CAD$55-70k cars that don't have really nice soft touch materials down the top half of the door.
The Sorrento receives good review for its interior. But I'm not sure if it's really fair to compare it with the MDX. Not sure if you've been in the new Pilot yet, but I find that to be pretty darn nice inside too, at about the same price point as the Sorrento.
The MDX is just at another level when it comes to performance. It's gonna be asking more money when it can do 0-60mph in 6 seconds flat (heck C/D even got it to be in the 5's) and doing the 1/4 mile in the 14's. Granted, the Pilot can do the same, but it's definitely something that the Sorrento cannot do. Comparison, it does 0-60mph in over 7 seconds and the 1/4 mile in the 15's.
The MDX was also tuned at the Nurburgring for its handling and ride characteristics.This is why it's always gets good praise for its athletic handling, whereas the Sorrento is said to have average handling.
No, no one is gonna race these soccer mom cars. But this is what luxury is about. It's about excessive. You know, like excessive speed, excessive handling, etc. This is why the MDX costs more money.
Assuming you are talking CAD, then I'm not sure if you have been to the Autoshow. But over there, you will be disappointed to find many CAD$55-70k cars that don't have really nice soft touch materials down the top half of the door.
The Sorrento receives good review for its interior. But I'm not sure if it's really fair to compare it with the MDX. Not sure if you've been in the new Pilot yet, but I find that to be pretty darn nice inside too, at about the same price point as the Sorrento.
The MDX is just at another level when it comes to performance. It's gonna be asking more money when it can do 0-60mph in 6 seconds flat (heck C/D even got it to be in the 5's) and doing the 1/4 mile in the 14's. Granted, the Pilot can do the same, but it's definitely something that the Sorrento cannot do. Comparison, it does 0-60mph in over 7 seconds and the 1/4 mile in the 15's.
The MDX was also tuned at the Nurburgring for its handling and ride characteristics.This is why it's always gets good praise for its athletic handling, whereas the Sorrento is said to have average handling.
No, no one is gonna race these soccer mom cars. But this is what luxury is about. It's about excessive. You know, like excessive speed, excessive handling, etc. This is why the MDX costs more money.
and if we ever had prices like that for the MDX it would be a cold day in hell. I disagree about the soft touch materials, the X5, ML, Touareg, Cayenne, Macan, Q5, XC60, as well as many others in that 55-70K bracket come with full soft touch materials on the doors. Now if you are talking 3-row crossovers, oddly enough there really isn't many in that price range (or any that I can think of). Now in terms of soft touch materials on the top half, there are TONS and many WELL below that 55k bottom end. Granted some of what I mentioned are near the top end of that bracket. The sorento itself starts at 26K and exceeds the MDX's soft touch material use by a wide margin (though only the top end 48k model is truly competitive).Why would it not be fair to compare it? on what basis do you mean? I have not been in the pilot, but from reviews they are still using some cheap materials and if the MDX is worse than a Sorento inside IMHO, then how could a pilot be nicer?
Sorento does 0-60 in about 7 seconds, keep in mind it weighs 200-300 pounds more than the MDX and still has a 6 speed automatic vs the 9 speed in the MDX. The sorento was also tuned at the nurburgring (keep in mind it says borrego in the video title because the 3G Sorento grew and people thought it was a Borrego but it's clearly a sorento).
You are right, Luxury is about excess. Acura has excessive transmission/quality control/reliability issues, excessive wind noise, excessive cost cutting measures, excessive poor brand and design direction, excessive prices for dressed up Honda products that blind people can see through, and lastly excessively dated technology and innovation....SOHC should have stayed dead in the 90's, it's 2017 now.
Regardless of all that, this isn't a Sorento is better than the MDX debate, I am simply pointing out that it is obvious the sorento is nicer than the MDX in MANY ways IMHO and that should not be the case when there is a 30k gap between the bottom trims and 22k gap at the top trims, never mind that one is a mainstream brand and the other is a knockoff luxury brand. The MDX should not be lacking anything compared the the sorento and it should feel like a 70k vehicle and not like some glorified pilot. I guarantee you the Pilot is even worse than the sorento and it starts nearly 10k more here and tops out nearly 10k more. But that still isn't my point at all, my whole entire point is that Acuras need to stop feeling like Honda+. Telling me the MDX is a second faster to 60 and slightly faster in the 1/4 means shit all when the MDX is intended to be a luxury family hauler and that competition in the 55-70k price range will bury it in both luxury and performance (handling). I drove a 2016 MDX loaner and I was very aggressive with it, it handled very poorly and the 235 width tires were crying the whole time.
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I was thinking more like a 335i (now 340i), X3, 4-series, etc. The starting prices for some models you mentioned, such as ML (now GLC), X5, and Cayenne, all have starting price above the fully loaded price of the MDX. While the MDX is a $54-$66k car, these models all start at $65-$70k CAD. Like you, when I pay that much more money, I'd expect to have a nicer interior. These models are certainly not in the $55k category.
The XC60, Macan, and Q5 that you mentioned would fall into the $55k=$70k category. But...from my experience, I didn't find the interior of these vehicles particularly soft to the touch. In particular, I have extensive experience with the Q5 as my friend has a 2011 model. The top half of the car still has quite a bit of not-too-soft plastic. Perhaps the 2nd gen Q5 is better but I haven't tried it out yet. Then again, these cars are also a class below the MDX, at least size wise. Anyway, this friend also has a F10 5 series with an upgraded interior, now, that's nice, and that has quite a bit of soft touch material. Granted, that's a car closer to $70-80k.
I said the MDX vs Sorrento isn't a fair comparison because while the MDX isn't particular nice inside, it's away ahead in other areas, namely performance and handling. This is where I mentioned the Honda Pilot. Though it's still significant faster than the Sorrento, it's more of a direct competitor to the Sorrento than the MDX.
Now, why can't the Pilot be nicer than the MDX? The MDX is an older design, dating back from 2013. The Pilot is a newer model. Likewise, the new Civic is nicer inside than the Acura ILX. This is something that people have been saying here - Honda cars are perfectly fine and competitive, but most Acura cars are not.
The Sorrento weighs nearly the same as the MDX in V6 and AWD form. They are within 70lb of each other:
2016 Kia Sorento V-6 AWD Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
2016 Acura MDX 9-Speed Automatic Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
In terms of price, I don't think it's up for us to discuss. Sales wise, Acura has been selling many copies of the MDX. People don't fork out that amount of money if the MDX is as bad as you say it is man.
There's no way a luxury vehicle will be seen as a "good value" when compared to more mainstream cars. That's why the MDX would never sell as many as the Pilots, or the RDX would never sell as many as the CRV.
I find it interesting that you mentioned the base trim of the Sorrento and compared to the base trim of the MDX. Sure, there's close to a $30k CAD gap between the two, but, there's also a huge gulf between the two when it comes to power, features, etc.
In any case, the MDX is pretty much the other car that Acura got "right," the other possible one being the RDX. Most journalists conclude that the MDX has athletic handling, a strong V6, and is a good value in its class. As this generation of MDX is near the end of its life cycle, I wouldn't be surprised that the newer competiiton would have it beat in terms of luxury. In terms of performance, thanks to its relatively light weight, the MDX is still right in the mix when it comes to performance, both acceleration and handling.
The XC60, Macan, and Q5 that you mentioned would fall into the $55k=$70k category. But...from my experience, I didn't find the interior of these vehicles particularly soft to the touch. In particular, I have extensive experience with the Q5 as my friend has a 2011 model. The top half of the car still has quite a bit of not-too-soft plastic. Perhaps the 2nd gen Q5 is better but I haven't tried it out yet. Then again, these cars are also a class below the MDX, at least size wise. Anyway, this friend also has a F10 5 series with an upgraded interior, now, that's nice, and that has quite a bit of soft touch material. Granted, that's a car closer to $70-80k.
I said the MDX vs Sorrento isn't a fair comparison because while the MDX isn't particular nice inside, it's away ahead in other areas, namely performance and handling. This is where I mentioned the Honda Pilot. Though it's still significant faster than the Sorrento, it's more of a direct competitor to the Sorrento than the MDX.
Now, why can't the Pilot be nicer than the MDX? The MDX is an older design, dating back from 2013. The Pilot is a newer model. Likewise, the new Civic is nicer inside than the Acura ILX. This is something that people have been saying here - Honda cars are perfectly fine and competitive, but most Acura cars are not.
The Sorrento weighs nearly the same as the MDX in V6 and AWD form. They are within 70lb of each other:
2016 Kia Sorento V-6 AWD Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
2016 Acura MDX 9-Speed Automatic Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
In terms of price, I don't think it's up for us to discuss. Sales wise, Acura has been selling many copies of the MDX. People don't fork out that amount of money if the MDX is as bad as you say it is man.
There's no way a luxury vehicle will be seen as a "good value" when compared to more mainstream cars. That's why the MDX would never sell as many as the Pilots, or the RDX would never sell as many as the CRV.
I find it interesting that you mentioned the base trim of the Sorrento and compared to the base trim of the MDX. Sure, there's close to a $30k CAD gap between the two, but, there's also a huge gulf between the two when it comes to power, features, etc.
In any case, the MDX is pretty much the other car that Acura got "right," the other possible one being the RDX. Most journalists conclude that the MDX has athletic handling, a strong V6, and is a good value in its class. As this generation of MDX is near the end of its life cycle, I wouldn't be surprised that the newer competiiton would have it beat in terms of luxury. In terms of performance, thanks to its relatively light weight, the MDX is still right in the mix when it comes to performance, both acceleration and handling.
03-14-2017, 04:22 PM
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^ I could debate some of the points you mentioned, but as always, I think we are somewhat on the same page in our belief that Acura products need to do more than honda+. As I mentioned before, my point was not to talk down the MDX, but simply to state a point, and I think we both already did that lol.
05-16-2017, 04:25 PM
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Honda in House 10 Speed AUTO is here.
Well I didn't find any pre-existing thread about it so here it is..
Honda has finally granted us an In House replacement to the 6 speedo. The new 10 speed will hopefully replace the now infamous ZF 9 speed for good and it's an overall upgrade to ZF 9.8 spread to a now whopping 10.1 spread. The new transmission is said to handle 275lbs with "Some Headroom Allowed" and its featured in the new Honda Oddyssey 2018
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You can read more info here: Honda?s new 10-speed is a slick shifter - SAE International
Start the Talk!
Honda has finally granted us an In House replacement to the 6 speedo. The new 10 speed will hopefully replace the now infamous ZF 9 speed for good and it's an overall upgrade to ZF 9.8 spread to a now whopping 10.1 spread. The new transmission is said to handle 275lbs with "Some Headroom Allowed" and its featured in the new Honda Oddyssey 2018
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You can read more info here: Honda?s new 10-speed is a slick shifter - SAE International
Start the Talk!
05-16-2017, 04:38 PM
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05-16-2017, 04:44 PM
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A whopping 275 pounds! Holy cow!!!
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275lbft with some headroom (say, 300lbft) is more than enough for Honda's NA V6 and 2.0T. Who knows what the actual torque capacity really is. I have a S2000 with 153lbft stock but even with a supercharger or turbo at 250-300lbft, it's not much of a problem other than the clutch has to be upgraded.
05-16-2017, 06:33 PM
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275lbft with some headroom (say, 300lbft) is more than enough for Honda's NA V6 and 2.0T. Who knows what the actual torque capacity really is. I have a S2000 with 153lbft stock but even with a supercharger or turbo at 250-300lbft, it's not much of a problem other than the clutch has to be upgraded.
05-16-2017, 06:48 PM
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I also LOL´d at the weak Torque power but that is inline with the MDX and Pilot Torque Figures so maybe we can have even better 0 to 60 and more MPGs? What makes me wonder is the lack of a Transfer Case? I hope they are working in a AWD Variant of it so it should release Soon. Meanwhile it should benefit other FWD V6 Equipped Hondas and Acuras, TLX, Accord, etc.
I found a Review on the Odyssey from AutoGuide which said something about the 10 speed in particular:
"One the road, the transmission is remarkably smooth, though the same can’t be said from a start. My biggest complaint with the Odyssey was the considerable clunk our 10-speed tester made (just as often as not) when put into gear. Then there’s the stop-start system, which I’ve begrudgingly learned to live with on modern cars. The off-the-line delay really is an annoyance, though, and a particular gripe of my wife." - 2018 Honda Odyssey Review - AutoGuide.com News
I found a Review on the Odyssey from AutoGuide which said something about the 10 speed in particular:
"One the road, the transmission is remarkably smooth, though the same can’t be said from a start. My biggest complaint with the Odyssey was the considerable clunk our 10-speed tester made (just as often as not) when put into gear. Then there’s the stop-start system, which I’ve begrudgingly learned to live with on modern cars. The off-the-line delay really is an annoyance, though, and a particular gripe of my wife." - 2018 Honda Odyssey Review - AutoGuide.com News