iNteGraz92

and 306 in the is350 will right?

Maximized

Yes it will. The VQ is nearing it's N/A limits. Nissan would have to increase the displacement of the VQ to get more power reliably.

srika

that new TL better be RWD or (I guess) AWD.

iNteGraz92

320hp hopefully awd and will probably cost less than a loaded is350 or g35

corey415

Hmm. I would assume if this were true it would be introduced on the next gen Accord, which comes out pretty soon.

SSN_FT1(SS/DV)

If they bump the TL to 320..that will leave room for them to drop the new RDX turbo I4 into the TSX and get it to 260 with SH-AWD...then Acura will be is business all the way around

vybzkartel

...........and the MDX, Pilot, XGA(?) coupe, and........................true flagship sedan above RL?(perhaps?).

Hope this is not a dream!

And if it is, please don't wake me.

cob3683

Sometimes I think that Acura might be the dumbest car company in the world

This should have happened 5 years ago.

Infamous425

sometimes i think that too. even volvo is gonna have a v8 in their new s80 (which i'd buy over an RL any day)

SSN_FT1(SS/DV)

I don't think they're dumb, just had different priorities...not sure what they were, but they've done ok and they're rebounding now.

No worries.

vishnus11

one of the "problems" with the TL vs. accord debate right now is that they have very similar engines. J30 vs. J32 and its a matter of 14 hp that seperates them. So Honda might be better off keeping the J30 for a couple more years in the accord, or maybe even puttin a J32 in there. It might help amortize costs of the J series engines even further, and give the TL some exclusitivity.

Moog-Type-S

Different priorities? You build cars for one thing...to make profit...and lots of it. They made POOR decisions. You don't make logical decisions to lessen your profit or market share.

corey415

Is it really a problem? Engine sharing is something Nissan/Infiniti does and the market doesnt really care.

Anyways, has Honda/Acura ever introduced an entirely new engine in a car that isn't entirely new? I.e. TL that will get its MMC instead of the new Accord that is coming out.

titan

Very, very true. However, Honda's proven that it has no interest to play in the HP wars. 320HP puts them firmly a competitive position again. That's alot for the TL... if this rumor is true, then the rumor about the next TL having SH-AWD is a must too.

SSN_FT1(SS/DV)

I agree with you, they dropped the ball there, but they are on a rebound and should be back in the game in a few years.

titan

It's rumored that the 3.7L V6 for that will be found in Infinitis won't be a larger VQ. From what I understand it's a new engine called the FX. I have no doubts Infiniti continue to be the HP leader.

GreenMonster

5 years ago, 260hp in luxury sedan/coupe was pretty impressive... Acura may have started the HP wars among the import lux set, but has been behind the ball lately...

H/A usually comes up with some good stuff, but waits too long letting the competition catch up and then surpass it... NSX was pretty cutting edge when it was first introduced, but could have used more improvements over the course of it's 15 year run.

The rumors of a v8 and a v10 (in the nsx) are very interesting, and hopefully H/A will fill in the holes in it's line up with some exciting stuff... The accord v6 6mt coupe, the intro of the TSX to the US, and the redesigns of the TL and RL were all steps in the right direction.

I'm waiting to see when they dump the RSX, if they will come out with a decent coupe to slot into the line up between the Accord coupe and the rumored V10 NSX... should be interesting, especailly with the rumors of a V8.

I've said that my next car will be RWD or AWD, and I'd like to get something with 300hp. Hopefully acura will offer something that will encourge me to stay with the brand. I'd like to buy used the next time around, but if acura can come out with a sub-nsx rwd coupe, I could be persuaded to buy new again

vishnus11

An Altima 3.5 and a G35 both use a VQ series powerplant. But a G35 would own an altima - 300hp vs. 245hp (one of several reasons)

With the difference between a J32 and a J30 in the accord being 14hp, some peopl would think twice before goin with the TL.

Just for the record, I know that there's more that seperates an accord and a TL than just horsepower because i own both, but i'm just stating how many propective buyers would think.

fsttyms1

1 thing that may help get the V8 into production, is the fact honda has to make small displacement V8's (which would be perfect in most of their car/suv applications) now for IRL and F1. There is no reason not to send a litle of that technology towards the cars/suv's

Maximized

.2 liter isn't going to do much hp wise. Also as the displacement increases in the VQ, the refinement goes down.

MaximaPower

watever any other car make has in stored, we can assure that nissan/infiniti will have it beat...they're staying one step ahead of the game

MaximaPower

well rumor has it that's it not a VQ

and look at how much HP lexus got going from a 4.3 to a 4.6....im' sure nissan can do a lot of .2 liters, since this 3.7 is suppose to b going into the GTR...it has to be a badass engine

Maximized

What engine will it use then? The GTR is going to use a VQ by all rumors. The 3.5L VQ in the Z is pretty much tapped out in N/A form. I am sure Nissan could get another 25-30 hp out of the engine with more displacement, but don't expect huge gains. Plus like I stated before the VQ became less refined in the last diplacement increase(3.0 vs 3.5L).

MaximaPower

the FZ is the latest rumored engine name for the 3.7

Maximized

I doubt it personally. Nissan would be stupid to replace the VQ, which has been aclaimed by the press and been on Ward's 10 best list since 95'.

titan

You're not hearing me. The engine I'm talking about is a NEW engine. It's supposed to be called FX. It's supposed to be 3.7L, and will make around the rumored 320HP. The VQ is an awesome, damn near bulletproof engine that is supposed to continue to do duty in all Nissan branded products. As far as refinement, I haven't heard any complaints about the 3.5L VQ... that said, that isn't just the VQ with .2L more added to it.

titan

Very good point. That's why I wondered why you gave it a jab for saying it's less refined. I have no doubts the FX is similar to design to the VQ, but it's supposed to be a new engine. Also, give Nissan/Infiniti a little credit. I'm sure they can create two great V6s... who's to say they have to throw in the towel after the VQ because the VQ has been such a success.

titan

I've heard rumors of all kinds. A twin turbo 3.5L V6; a 3.7L V6; a 4.5L V8... we just now know the 3.7L V6 has a name.

Maximized

I hear you, I just don't think the rumors are credible. Again, why would they abandon the world class VQ engine? Maybe they are playing alphabet soup and using the VQ under another engine code? It can obviously be enlarged as seen in the 4.0L VQ.

As for refinement, do a bit of research. The 3.5L engine is more truck-like vs the 3.0L.

titan

Can't argue with that. I think the rumors are credible, but in the end, they're rumors. We'll see soon enough just what will be used. The tension's a killer, though.

MaximaPower

actually titan, it's the FZ.....it will be a revised VQ

Maximized

Kind OT but I hate all these rumors on the Supra, NSX, GTR, etc. Bring the cars out already. I personally think they are scared of the Corvette, especially the Z06. The GTR better be one hell of a performer given the hype the car has recieved. It's got some huge competition given that it appears to be more expensive than the C6 Z06, which will most likely wax it in every performance catagory.

MaximaPower

but the Z06 beats pretty much everything that costs less than $200k, so i have no doubt that watever comes out that's even affordable wont come close to the Z06 in performance...i dont think they're scared of the Z06, they jus accepted the fact that the Z06 is king for right now

titan

That's what I think too. But, revised enough to be called "new."

jwong77

Agreed, theres a new MDX expected at the end of the year, we could see it in that. Maybe the first Acura to have a V-8?

mg7726

honda's shocked me putting a variable flow blower on the 4-cyl., so not surprised they will put out a DOHC iVTEC 6-cyl. can't wait to see the specs.

DownUnder

I always read that the 3.5L VQ is smooth, infact my G35 coupe's VQ is smoother then my other two rides (CLK430 and LX 470). Also the 3.5L VQ engine could make much more power than 300HP if they increased the 10.3 C/R and added DI. BTW the IS350 engine has an 11.8 C/R!

Sly Raskal

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Just another thing to wait on ....

samkws

even thou J series is getting old, but it's still competitive in HP even with a SOHC VTEC design

3 stage VTEC + dual intake makes the J30 accord competitive at 244hp, with comptech exhaust and a CAI that would be even more impressive, and most of all it's just coming out from a 3L engine, can u ask for more?

the J35 engine is the RL has an impressive 290hp, imagine if the TL has that engine i would be all over, but personally i still prefer a J32 with a more atheletic feel as the engine revs faster

some ppl with 3rd gen can pump out 264whp b4 the supercharger, and that's better than the 306hp lexus IS350 with 257whp, so i think we are still in the race, but the next engine will be far beyond the potential now and i am looking forward to it~

Maximized

I was referencing a comparison of the 3.0VQ vs. 3.5VQ. As for increasing compression ratio, it's effective but you also are risking the chance of detonation. The ECU must be be very sensitive to knock. Direct injection is another technology that will increase power as well, but at an added cost. Infiniti builds a great car, rather they should focus their energy into interior refinement. That's the one area where Infiniti is lacking.