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Old 07-30-2005, 08:42 PM
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Wait a second, whats todays date? July 30, 2005, gezz, for a second there I was almost optomistic. Will v8's really be the performance option of the 2000 and teens or will new technology be taking over?
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I know development takes a long time but come on - 5 years?
Sales of the RL by then will be sp pittyful that no V8 will rescue it.

The TD V6 is another matter - that could be a main stream engine in just 2 years - and not just for trucks.
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My gawd! 2011? They need to pick up their pace! I know they can do this faster!
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thats absolutely rediculous.
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Better late than never i guess. At least they gave us SH-AWD to hold us over...

Finally, Honda is working on a new V6 turbodiesel engine for the USA market sometime after the 2007 mandates of low sulfur gas take place. The engine will be used in the Ridgeline and Pilot SUV
NOW that will be impressive.
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Eh. Better late than never.
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Definitely much needed, but a bit late and the timeline is way too long
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I'll believe it when I see it 2010 is still a long ways off...

edit: I need to clarify my "see it" statement... I'll believe it when I see a v-8 in a honda passenger car...

Honda has had V8's before...

http://www.cartracingupdate.com/Cars/honda.htm
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Old 07-31-2005, 06:28 PM
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So someone at Honda finally got off their ass and looked at the rest of the market?!
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Old 07-31-2005, 08:38 PM
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but thats long time, but anything can happen
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Thats good news for Honda faituful. But its not like the world has been waiting or even really cares. Its just added competiton, which is good for Honda. But by then, the competiton, with the experience in building these engines, will continue to impove. Not to mention hybrids.


But better laaaaaaaaaaate, then never!!! I do wonder though, if the RL STILL sells poorly, what the excuse will be then?
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Two words:

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Old 08-01-2005, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
If these MYs are true, this engine is about 6 years too late.

LOL, you know what I think here I totally agree...
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Originally Posted by gavriil
If these MYs are true, this engine is about 6 years too late.
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Old 08-01-2005, 10:40 AM
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Just in time to be too late.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
If these MYs are true, this engine is about 6 years too late.
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
LOL, you know what I think here I totally agree...

Truth be told...
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The only other thought is IMA or forced induction. If between now and then that is, Honda/Acura gets by with hybrid power or turbo power.
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:44 AM
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How about the RWD chassis for the V8 ? The price with be much more affordable with RWD as basic, and SH-AWD as an option.
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Old 08-02-2005, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
How about the RWD chassis for the V8 ? The price with be much more affordable with RWD as basic, and SH-AWD as an option.
I think the cost saving would lie in making SHAWD a standard offering across all v8 powered Acuras and Hondas.
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Old 08-03-2005, 03:21 PM
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I think the cost saving would lie in making SHAWD a standard offering across all v8 powered Acuras and Hondas.
Even in hugh quantities, there is no way SHAWD can be made cheaper than 2-wheel drives because of the complexity. The current RL is not selling because it is too expensive. If a lower-model RWD RL is offered in parallel with say $5000-$10K cheaper, then sales will sure go up. Same problem with the Honda Ridgeline right now - too damn expensive.
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Same problem with the Honda Ridgeline right now - too damn expensive.
selling like hotcakes here
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selling like hotcakes here
Actually it has been reported that hotcakes no longer sell well. True story.
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isn't all V8s are in 90 degrees?

there's never a too late, we all can wait

but when honda's 4 cylinders are counting over 90% of the lineup, i don't think they have such urgency for a V8 for now

my hope is to have a DOHC V6 VTEC in a couple years to upgrade the current J series SOHC VTEC, imagine a NSX like powertrain in a TL or RL...

V8 also has a downside...it is too heavy and sacrifice a lot of handling IMO
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NSX powertrain in a RL would suck ass, high revving, low torque engine to haul around a 4000+ lb car? Current RL w/ 260tq isn't quick down low as it is, so imagine having much less torque, and it being made at a higher range.
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Originally Posted by SeCsTaC
NSX powertrain in a RL would suck ass, high revving, low torque engine to haul around a 4000+ lb car? Current RL w/ 260tq isn't quick down low as it is, so imagine having much less torque, and it being made at a higher range.
it's not necessary to have the same hp/tq setup

they can tune for more low end torque with a lower redline.
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Originally Posted by samkws
isn't all V8s are in 90 degrees?
USUALLY yes, but there have been 60 degree V8's such as the Yamaha motor in the Ford Taurus SHO
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Originally Posted by samkws
isn't all V8s are in 90 degrees?
Not always, but most of the time.
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Honda may develop V8 engine in future - - Reuters / August 04, 2005 - - Source: Automotive News

TOKYO -- Honda Motor Co. could build a V8 engine as its next mass-produced powertrain beyond the V6, its biggest engine so far, Chief Executive President Takeo Fukui said, adding that a decision would be made in about three years.

Japan's third-biggest auto maker has long said it would not build a V8 engine, often used to power pickup trucks and other bigger vehicles, choosing instead to match its muscle with advanced powertrain technology as it did with the Ridgeline pickup launched in the United States this year.

"By around 2010, customers driving the Ridgeline now will need a stepped-up product," Fukui told a small group of reporters on Thursday. He said a V8 engine was one possible powertrain, along with a V6 hybrid or diesel system.

Last month, Honda, renowned for its engine technology, surprised industry watchers with plans to skip the V8 and develop a V10 engine to power its next supercar to succeed the NSX model, which will be retired this year.

If development of the V10 engine is successful, Fukui said there would be "no reason not to have something in between", while stressing the decision was not final.

"If we make a V10, we might just as well make a V8. I won't deny the possibility," Fukui said at Honda's headquarters in Tokyo. "We'll see how the V10 turns out, and make a decision in about three years' time."

Pickups, sport utility vehicles and other light trucks make up a little over half of the U.S. auto market -- the world's biggest -- and so far has been dominated by the U.S. Big Three.

Japanese rivals Toyota Motor Corp. and Nissan Motor Co. have pushed aggressively into the profitable segment, but Honda has been relatively slow, having only rolled out its first pickup truck through the Ridgeline this spring.

Fukui said he expected the ratio of light trucks to Honda's total U.S. sales to inch closer to industry levels from around 40 percent now, while also beefing up its car segment through the new Civic due out in autumn and the Fit compact car to be launched next year.
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which means we will stick with a V6 at least for 5 more years

i really urge them to move up to the DOHC V6 design to compete against the VQ and the new V6 by Toyota
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Honda says open to fuel-cell, other ties with GM - - Reuters / August 04, 2005 - - SOurce: AUtoweek

TOKYO (Reuters) -- The head of Honda Motor Co. said he is open to working with General Motors in various areas including fuel-cell development as a means of gleaning its rival's expertise in the U.S. regulatory and political fields.

"The door is open," Chief Executive Takeo Fukui told reporters on Thursday.

"They haven't approached us (about working together on fuel-cell technology), but if they did we'd seriously consider it," he said, while admitting that was unlikely given GM's broad tie-up agreement with Toyota Motor Corp. in the field.

Honda, Japan's third-biggest auto maker, is known for eschewing alliances on research and development, having produced both a hybrid and fuel-cell vehicle without the help of other auto makers.

That policy remains unchanged, Fukui said. But he said Honda could share information with GM, and in return benefit from the U.S. giant's knowledge at the political and regulatory levels -- useful when it comes to lobbying activities, for instance.

"We don't rely on other auto makers to develop vehicle technology," Fukui said, adding that Honda leads the industry in fuel-cell vehicles.

"But we think it would be nice to have more contact with GM, whether it be in fuel cells, recycling or other areas, and I think that view is mutual.

"For us, having a channel of communication with the world's biggest auto maker would help -- there's a lot of information to be gained," he said.

That was the rationale behind an agreement the two auto makers signed in 2000 under which Honda would supply a small number of V6 engines to GM, Fukui said. Honda began supplying the engines for GM's Saturn Vue model in August 2003, with volume reaching 87,000 in 2004.

Fukui said he sometimes meets with GM CEO Rick Wagoner but new forms of cooperation are slow in coming.
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Old 08-04-2005, 11:36 AM
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3 years before they even make a decesion, WoW

And they try to pass themseleves off as an "engine" company.
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Sounded pretty sketchy whether they were building a v10 or v8.
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