Honda: CR-Z News **Facelift Revealed (page 31)**
01-15-2010, 06:12 PM
#401
I keep hoping that specified weight is somehow an error, and that someone converted from the JDM spec into US spec, but failed to realize the JDM specs include rear seats, so the actual weight of the car is less than what is currently thrown out there.
01-15-2010, 08:19 PM
#402
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Its stunning to me that you think so. Might wanna get those eyes checked. Sure they are SIMILAR to the concepts but the Camaro, for instance, is nearly IDENTICAL to the concept.
Put simply, the Accord and CR-Z concepts were both cars that I found very attractive. The production versions on the other hand are hideous and I wouldn't think of buying either...
Put simply, the Accord and CR-Z concepts were both cars that I found very attractive. The production versions on the other hand are hideous and I wouldn't think of buying either...
01-15-2010, 08:36 PM
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Its stunning to me that you think so. Might wanna get those eyes checked. Sure they are SIMILAR to the concepts but the Camaro, for instance, is nearly IDENTICAL to the concept.
Put simply, the Accord and CR-Z concepts were both cars that I found very attractive. The production versions on the other hand are hideous and I wouldn't think of buying either...
Put simply, the Accord and CR-Z concepts were both cars that I found very attractive. The production versions on the other hand are hideous and I wouldn't think of buying either...
01-16-2010, 04:01 AM
#404
Nothing compares to the hybrid system with its hardware, battery, etc. Seriously, that thing weighs more than a Civic coupe and its probably smaller than a Fit dimensions-wise.
01-16-2010, 08:44 AM
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miscommunication much?
01-16-2010, 09:36 AM
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Look at the JDM brochure, it's around 1130-1150kg, or around 2500lb.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=872003
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=872003
01-16-2010, 11:00 AM
#408
that's good to hear at least. Way better than 2800 lbs! 
01-16-2010, 11:57 AM
#409
To be precise, it's one inch shorter, almost two inches wider and a over five inches lower than a Fit sport.
The weight (lbs., preliminary estimates): Approximately 2,670 (MT), a Civic Si is 2895, so roughly 200 lbs less than an Si
The weight (lbs., preliminary estimates): Approximately 2,670 (MT), a Civic Si is 2895, so roughly 200 lbs less than an Si
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01-16-2010, 12:33 PM
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Well hopefully a turbo I4 SH-AWD Prelude is still in the works although I doubt that'll ever happen. Nothing Honda is doing really impresses me anymore. It all just makes me want to shake my head
Hyundai now has grabbed the most fuel efficient automaker in the nation title from Honda, and Hyundai has a RWD V8 luxury sedan in their lineup...
01-16-2010, 01:18 PM
#411
^^All your opinion. I was only addressing I Go To Costco's comments on dimensions and weight
01-16-2010, 10:53 PM
#412
Thanks, Colin, and iforyou
I'm pretty sure Honda never meant this to be a CR-X successor, they just figured there was some commonality with them both being 2-seater hatchbacks with similar profiles.
Still, we can hope for a lighter, sans-hybrid CR-Z Si can't we?
I'm pretty sure Honda never meant this to be a CR-X successor, they just figured there was some commonality with them both being 2-seater hatchbacks with similar profiles.
Still, we can hope for a lighter, sans-hybrid CR-Z Si can't we?
01-17-2010, 02:00 AM
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01-17-2010, 07:31 AM
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I agree, the CR-Z is not exactly a CR-X successor. IMO Honda is just trying to see if there's a market for a hybrid 2-seater with a bit of fun-to-drive factor. They always talk about green. They always talk about hybrid cars for the short-term. So it's good that they are delivering just that. And it's good to see that they are being innovative and trying new things.
Definitely, I would love to see a high performance version of the CR-Z to satisfy the enthusiasts. Why waste the good look?
01-17-2010, 12:18 PM
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01-17-2010, 01:26 PM
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Actually, I think there will be better performing versions down the road. IMO, they should remain hybrid if Honda is to 'drive the point home' that they can be 'green and fun to drive'. I'm sure that there will be other vehicles in the pipeline to satisfy the 'gas only' crowd and this is what I'd pin my hopes on.
01-17-2010, 04:14 PM
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01-17-2010, 04:23 PM
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01-17-2010, 07:56 PM
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Actually, I think there will be better performing versions down the road. IMO, they should remain hybrid if Honda is to 'drive the point home' that they can be 'green and fun to drive'. I'm sure that there will be other vehicles in the pipeline to satisfy the 'gas only' crowd and this is what I'd pin my hopes on.
01-17-2010, 09:42 PM
#420
^^ I think it's quite obvious that they know that. In a Q & A with the press at the NAIAS Ito said (from TOV)
Q: Will Honda introduce a full hybrid? If so, when?
A: We will continue to leverage our IMA technology in small cars like the Civic and other small hybrids like the CR-Z, but are developing a larger two-motor hybrid engine for bigger vehicles like the Accord or larger. I can't give specifics about timing, but it is not that far away.
Q: Will you introduce hybrid engines into the Acura lineup?
A: Yes, but we can't give specifics about timing.
A: We will continue to leverage our IMA technology in small cars like the Civic and other small hybrids like the CR-Z, but are developing a larger two-motor hybrid engine for bigger vehicles like the Accord or larger. I can't give specifics about timing, but it is not that far away.
Q: Will you introduce hybrid engines into the Acura lineup?
A: Yes, but we can't give specifics about timing.
01-17-2010, 10:16 PM
#421
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, glad to see Honda finally coming around to a "real" hybrid drivetrain design/devlopment instead to the IMA approach. Then they can compete better with Toyota. IMO the IMA/flywheel approach not having the ability to drive full electric was a sacrifice for packaging and maybe complexity. Having the multiple servo motors requires more specialized engine packaging.
01-17-2010, 10:33 PM
#422
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A colleague had a 2G CRX Si, it was even better than the 1G my brother had.
01-18-2010, 09:29 AM
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I'm sure most here would agree that based on how well they've stayed true to their announced plans ("marketing spin" would be a better word), they'll get credit for 'coming around' when that model is sitting on showroom floors and dealer lots with a window sticker on it.
I don't give credit to a company that announces, designs, engineers, and puts into production vapor cars.
01-18-2010, 11:28 AM
#424
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I'm not falling for the hybrid marketing hype. I'd rather have a gas civic/fit than an insight/cr-z.
01-18-2010, 12:56 PM
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^ If honda would at least offer Diesel motors, (Something that gets better mileage than their hybrids) id be happy
01-18-2010, 01:16 PM
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This may explain why they get a 72 MPG diesel and we get the 33 MPG CR-Z.
01-18-2010, 01:42 PM
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^^I love Honda Europe commercials!
01-18-2010, 05:15 PM
#428
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Depending on the configuration some diesels do make sense financially. The E320CDi certainly did - it was only $750 more than an E320.
01-18-2010, 06:28 PM
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01-18-2010, 07:54 PM
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01-18-2010, 08:26 PM
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Yup...we should definitely give them credit for "coming around" since they always follow through on their plans.
I'm sure most here would agree that based on how well they've stayed true to their announced plans ("marketing spin" would be a better word), they'll get credit for 'coming around' when that model is sitting on showroom floors and dealer lots with a window sticker on it.
I don't give credit to a company that announces, designs, engineers, and puts into production vapor cars.
I'm sure most here would agree that based on how well they've stayed true to their announced plans ("marketing spin" would be a better word), they'll get credit for 'coming around' when that model is sitting on showroom floors and dealer lots with a window sticker on it.
I don't give credit to a company that announces, designs, engineers, and puts into production vapor cars.
Honda's a business, situations and environments change. So don't always expect everything to go through. I've known ~10 engineers/managers who worked in the auto industry, many (all?) have worked on something that didn't go through at some point in their careers.
I've been disappointed in some of the things coming out from Honda (F1, styling, Acura, and some powertrain evolution) but some has been pretty inovation and fresh. It's not all about fail.
01-18-2010, 09:45 PM
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Honda could put a new hybrid drivetrain on the lot and most here would agree you'd find something to whine about it. My point was very simple, Honda finally acknowledged they need a new approach for their hybrid drivetrain system design.
Honda's a business, situations and environments change. So don't always expect everything to go through. I've known ~10 engineers/managers who worked in the auto industry, many (all?) have worked on something that didn't go through at some point in their careers.
I've been disappointed in some of the things coming out from Honda (F1, styling, Acura, and some powertrain evolution) but some has been pretty inovation and fresh. It's not all about fail.
Honda's a business, situations and environments change. So don't always expect everything to go through. I've known ~10 engineers/managers who worked in the auto industry, many (all?) have worked on something that didn't go through at some point in their careers.
I've been disappointed in some of the things coming out from Honda (F1, styling, Acura, and some powertrain evolution) but some has been pretty inovation and fresh. It's not all about fail.
I'm not going to blindly give them credit for "acknowledging" they have a problem. They'll get credit for "coming around" when they COME AROUND, and no sooner.
BTW, I know an alcoholic that "acknowledges" he has a problem and has acknowledged it for YEARS. He still drinks. Acknowledging something is worlds apart from actually doing anything that solves the problem or that's deserving of being described as "coming around". He actually talks about how he tries and other problems come up and this and that changes. ALL are excuses...and as many missteps as Honda has made and all the excuses they've presented, maybe some fanbois should open their eyes up a little more and give credit where credit is due, rather than where it definitely is NOT due.
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01-19-2010, 08:21 AM
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It would help if they'd do a 'real' hybrid drivetrain instead of the IMA system. For the money, it does not get significantly better mileage than a non-hybrid and ends up not making much sense. IMO, a car as small as the CRZ should get MUCH better mileage to make up for its lack of utility. There needs to be a significant enough reason to make people want to buy this vehicle over something that seats 4 and has at least a little cargo room, like an Insight, Prius, or Civic Hybrid. To me, there is no compelling reason whatsoever to purchase a CRZ.
01-19-2010, 08:55 AM
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It would help if they'd do a 'real' hybrid drivetrain instead of the IMA system. For the money, it does not get significantly better mileage than a non-hybrid and ends up not making much sense. IMO, a car as small as the CRZ should get MUCH better mileage to make up for its lack of utility. There needs to be a significant enough reason to make people want to buy this vehicle over something that seats 4 and has at least a little cargo room, like an Insight, Prius, or Civic Hybrid. To me, there is no compelling reason whatsoever to purchase a CRZ.
01-19-2010, 12:34 PM
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It would help if they'd do a 'real' hybrid drivetrain instead of the IMA system. For the money, it does not get significantly better mileage than a non-hybrid and ends up not making much sense. IMO, a car as small as the CRZ should get MUCH better mileage to make up for its lack of utility. There needs to be a significant enough reason to make people want to buy this vehicle over something that seats 4 and has at least a little cargo room, like an Insight, Prius, or Civic Hybrid. To me, there is no compelling reason whatsoever to purchase a CRZ.
01-19-2010, 09:26 PM
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My point is very simple as well...I'll find something to whine about WHEN/IF they put a new hybrid drivetrain on the lot. Just like I'll give them credit WHEN/IF they put a new hybrid drivetrain on the lot.
I'm not going to blindly give them credit for "acknowledging" they have a problem. They'll get credit for "coming around" when they COME AROUND, and no sooner.
BTW, I know an alcoholic that "acknowledges" he has a problem and has acknowledged it for YEARS. He still drinks. Acknowledging something is worlds apart from actually doing anything that solves the problem or that's deserving of being described as "coming around". He actually talks about how he tries and other problems come up and this and that changes. ALL are excuses...and as many missteps as Honda has made and all the excuses they've presented, maybe some fanbois should open their eyes up a little more and give credit where credit is due, rather than where it definitely is NOT due.
I'm not going to blindly give them credit for "acknowledging" they have a problem. They'll get credit for "coming around" when they COME AROUND, and no sooner.
BTW, I know an alcoholic that "acknowledges" he has a problem and has acknowledged it for YEARS. He still drinks. Acknowledging something is worlds apart from actually doing anything that solves the problem or that's deserving of being described as "coming around". He actually talks about how he tries and other problems come up and this and that changes. ALL are excuses...and as many missteps as Honda has made and all the excuses they've presented, maybe some fanbois should open their eyes up a little more and give credit where credit is due, rather than where it definitely is NOT due.
01-19-2010, 10:08 PM
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Still doesn't change the fact that it takes MORE THAN WORDS before Honda should get credit for anything.
I wonder how many apologists gave them credit for "coming around" when they said Acura would start targeting Maybach. So how is that whole tier-1 thing going anyway?
I apologize in advance for refusing to participate in a Honda circle jerk over mere words.
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01-20-2010, 06:25 AM
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No you do, you'll always be there to remind him he will always fail.
You're always there to inform us on the things Honda didn't go through on and anything someone does not agree with you on is a apologist and fanboi. Perhaps you should open your eyes a little and discover once in a while Honda actually come through with something. Some of these things I don't even like (robot, corporate jet, SHAWD, hydrogen and NG vehicles...).
You're always there to inform us on the things Honda didn't go through on and anything someone does not agree with you on is a apologist and fanboi. Perhaps you should open your eyes a little and discover once in a while Honda actually come through with something. Some of these things I don't even like (robot, corporate jet, SHAWD, hydrogen and NG vehicles...).
Bravo...you got his problem figured out. Maybe I should tell him that you have all the answers to his problems.
Still doesn't change the fact that it takes MORE THAN WORDS before Honda should get credit for anything.
I wonder how many apologists gave them credit for "coming around" when they said Acura would start targeting Maybach. So how is that whole tier-1 thing going anyway?
I apologize in advance for refusing to participate in a Honda circle jerk over mere words.
Still doesn't change the fact that it takes MORE THAN WORDS before Honda should get credit for anything.
I wonder how many apologists gave them credit for "coming around" when they said Acura would start targeting Maybach. So how is that whole tier-1 thing going anyway?
I apologize in advance for refusing to participate in a Honda circle jerk over mere words.
01-20-2010, 08:50 AM
#440
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No you do, you'll always be there to remind him he will always fail.
You're always there to inform us on the things Honda didn't go through on and anything someone does not agree with you on is a apologist and fanboi. Perhaps you should open your eyes a little and discover once in a while Honda actually come through with something. Some of these things I don't even like (robot, corporate jet, SHAWD, hydrogen and NG vehicles...).
You're always there to inform us on the things Honda didn't go through on and anything someone does not agree with you on is a apologist and fanboi. Perhaps you should open your eyes a little and discover once in a while Honda actually come through with something. Some of these things I don't even like (robot, corporate jet, SHAWD, hydrogen and NG vehicles...).
Its this simple. I'm 31 y/o and I got over this brand-loyalty business years ago. I want to purchase a car that fits my needs, excites my soul, and looks and sounds good. I do not care which car maker builds this car. It could be a Cadillac, Lexus, BMW, whatever. I'm not going to sit around and wait for Honda to build something I want. I do not want (nor will I ever want) a stupid hybrid of any kind which means it is unlikely I will ever own a Honda again. End of story.