Honda: CR-V News
11-29-2011, 01:22 PM
#681
Moderator
11-29-2011, 02:40 PM
#682
I'm the Firestarter
You know... George Bush hates black people... Honda hates America...
11-29-2011, 03:11 PM
#683
Moderator
11-29-2011, 04:11 PM
#684
the Mudolo front end sort of looks like the Kia Sportage
11-29-2011, 04:26 PM
#685
11-29-2011, 04:41 PM
#686
Moderator
11-29-2011, 04:43 PM
#687
11-29-2011, 04:54 PM
#688
Moderator
11-29-2011, 06:23 PM
#689
AZ Community Team
Most folks understand keys and their simplicity. Personally I could go either way, I had push button start in a rental Chrysler 300 and to me it's mostly a gimmick.
11-29-2011, 06:40 PM
#690
I also believe that the Toyota/Lexus sudden acceleration fiasco also played a factor. I think all manufacturers took some time to examine what education was needed to insure that customers knew HOW to turn off the car in an emergency.
11-29-2011, 09:56 PM
#691
I'll take keys over push button start any day. There's just something about sticking the key in the ignition, turning the key, and feeling the engine start up. Same thing with a manual vs auto. Makes you feel like a part of the car.
11-29-2011, 09:56 PM
#692
11-29-2011, 10:32 PM
#693
Kia Optima-ish 
11-29-2011, 11:08 PM
#694
Whats up with RDX owners?
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I see more similarites with the Japanese market Stream and Odyssey - mainly because they were released before the Optima.
12-15-2011, 10:31 PM
#695
CR-V pricing announced.
Honda Announces Pricing for All-New 2012 CR-V
12/15/2011 6:08:00 PM
Pricing remains consistent with outgoing model despite the addition of innovative features and new AWD system
The all-new 2012 Honda CR-V, which was recently named a finalist for 2012 North American Truck of the Year, is set to debut at U.S. dealers nationwide today with a manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) ranging from $22,295 for the value-oriented CR-V LX 2WD to $28,295 for the luxurious CR-V EX-L AWD, plus a destination and handling charge1 of $810 per vehicle.
The CR-V remains an excellent value, adding between $400 and $1000 worth of standard features and technologies to each trim compared to the outgoing model it replaces. Even loaded with feature content, the line saw only a modest average price increase of $181 and on models equipped with navigation, the price decreases by $300 compared to 2011.
"For 2012, we've made critical upgrades to virtually every aspect of CR-V's winning formula," said John Mendel, executive vice president of sales, American Honda Motor Co. Inc., "The CR-V represents an excellent value for customers with pricing remaining relatively unchanged compared to the outgoing model despite the addition of numerous new features, improved fuel economy and enhanced utility."
The all-new CR-V features a more efficient engine design with improved horsepower and torque, along with an all-new Real Time All-Wheel-Drive (AWD) with Intelligent Control System™. All CR-Vs are powered by a 2.4-liter i-VTEC 4-cylinder engine with 185 horsepower and 163 lb-ft. of torque paired with a standard 5-speed automatic transmission. EPA-estimated fuel economy2 is rated at 23/31/26 mpg city/highway/combined (2WD) (an increase of +2/+3/+2 mpg compared to the 2011 CR-V), and a compact SUV-class leading 22/30/25 mpg city/highway/combined (AWD) (an increase of +1/+3/+2 mpg compared to the 2011 CR-V).
New for 2012 features include an Easy Fold-Down 60/40 Split Rear Seat, lower cargo floor and a range of standard technology features. New high-tech features standard on all models include a Bluetooth®3 HandsFreeLink® phone interface (previously an available feature) a full-color intelligent Multi-Information Display (i-MID) and a multi-angle rearview camera with guidelines. As a first for Honda, every 2012 CR-V includes an SMS text messaging function, which can read received texts from compatible cell phones aloud over the audio system. Another firsts are the introduction of standard Pandora® Internet Radio interface4, compatible with the Apple® iPhone®, which works with the vehicle's audio controls and intelligent Multi-Information Display (i-MID) and the availability of a Rear Entertainment System (RES).
The previous-generation CR-V was recognized as a "Top Recommended Vehicle" and received "Best Retained Value SUV under $25,000" by Edmunds.com, and named top compact crossover SUV in dependability by J.D. Power and Associates. The new CR-V continues this winning formula by already earning a Kelley Blue Book Best Resale Value award for the 2012 model year.
The CR-V is sold globally in more than 160 countries throughout North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Australia and Africa. In the U.S., CR-Vs are manufactured at the Honda of America Manufacturing, Inc., East Liberty Auto Plant in Ohio from domestic and globally sourced parts.
The 2012 Honda CR-V is covered by a 3-year/36,000-mile Limited Vehicle Warranty, a 5-year/60,000-mile Powertrain Limited Warranty, and a 5-year/unlimited-mile Corrosion Limited Warranty.
12/15/2011 6:08:00 PM
Pricing remains consistent with outgoing model despite the addition of innovative features and new AWD system
The all-new 2012 Honda CR-V, which was recently named a finalist for 2012 North American Truck of the Year, is set to debut at U.S. dealers nationwide today with a manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) ranging from $22,295 for the value-oriented CR-V LX 2WD to $28,295 for the luxurious CR-V EX-L AWD, plus a destination and handling charge1 of $810 per vehicle.
The CR-V remains an excellent value, adding between $400 and $1000 worth of standard features and technologies to each trim compared to the outgoing model it replaces. Even loaded with feature content, the line saw only a modest average price increase of $181 and on models equipped with navigation, the price decreases by $300 compared to 2011.
"For 2012, we've made critical upgrades to virtually every aspect of CR-V's winning formula," said John Mendel, executive vice president of sales, American Honda Motor Co. Inc., "The CR-V represents an excellent value for customers with pricing remaining relatively unchanged compared to the outgoing model despite the addition of numerous new features, improved fuel economy and enhanced utility."
The all-new CR-V features a more efficient engine design with improved horsepower and torque, along with an all-new Real Time All-Wheel-Drive (AWD) with Intelligent Control System™. All CR-Vs are powered by a 2.4-liter i-VTEC 4-cylinder engine with 185 horsepower and 163 lb-ft. of torque paired with a standard 5-speed automatic transmission. EPA-estimated fuel economy2 is rated at 23/31/26 mpg city/highway/combined (2WD) (an increase of +2/+3/+2 mpg compared to the 2011 CR-V), and a compact SUV-class leading 22/30/25 mpg city/highway/combined (AWD) (an increase of +1/+3/+2 mpg compared to the 2011 CR-V).
New for 2012 features include an Easy Fold-Down 60/40 Split Rear Seat, lower cargo floor and a range of standard technology features. New high-tech features standard on all models include a Bluetooth®3 HandsFreeLink® phone interface (previously an available feature) a full-color intelligent Multi-Information Display (i-MID) and a multi-angle rearview camera with guidelines. As a first for Honda, every 2012 CR-V includes an SMS text messaging function, which can read received texts from compatible cell phones aloud over the audio system. Another firsts are the introduction of standard Pandora® Internet Radio interface4, compatible with the Apple® iPhone®, which works with the vehicle's audio controls and intelligent Multi-Information Display (i-MID) and the availability of a Rear Entertainment System (RES).
The previous-generation CR-V was recognized as a "Top Recommended Vehicle" and received "Best Retained Value SUV under $25,000" by Edmunds.com, and named top compact crossover SUV in dependability by J.D. Power and Associates. The new CR-V continues this winning formula by already earning a Kelley Blue Book Best Resale Value award for the 2012 model year.
The CR-V is sold globally in more than 160 countries throughout North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Australia and Africa. In the U.S., CR-Vs are manufactured at the Honda of America Manufacturing, Inc., East Liberty Auto Plant in Ohio from domestic and globally sourced parts.
The 2012 Honda CR-V is covered by a 3-year/36,000-mile Limited Vehicle Warranty, a 5-year/60,000-mile Powertrain Limited Warranty, and a 5-year/unlimited-mile Corrosion Limited Warranty.
12-16-2011, 08:53 AM
#696
that's a good strategy to remain competitive. the prices aren't that bad at all considering now you get rear-view camera and bluetooth standard.
12-16-2011, 10:21 AM
#697
The sizzle in the Steak
^^ All vehicles are required now to have a back-up sensor/rearview camera system.
It's sorta like saying that's a good price considering seatbelts and airbags are standard.
It's sorta like saying that's a good price considering seatbelts and airbags are standard.
12-16-2011, 01:42 PM
#698
In 2012 10% of a manufacturers vehicles have to have them, in 2013 it's 40% and in 2014 it's 100%. Considering how many Honda's already have a camera, they probably didn't have to do it now.
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12-16-2011, 01:45 PM
#699
The sizzle in the Steak
Most makers (and it appears that Honda might be too...although you feel they are not) are well ahead of the curve on this.
12-16-2011, 01:49 PM
#700
12-17-2011, 07:28 AM
#701
AZ Community Team
, most folks admit when they are wrong or lying but we get your spinning 
12-19-2011, 10:45 AM
#702
The sizzle in the Steak
Honda putting it into their cars now (ahead schedule if you will) is what everyone else is doing. Most makes when it comes to new regulations get them onto the vehicles ahead of time....especially with the case of a new model introduced barely ahead of the full implementation of the new regulation.
Why would Honda wait until 2014 the year of the 100% regulation to add this feature? Like most makes, Honda is thinking ahead.
To "sell" the back-up camera as if it were a high-end feature included in the standard features list is sketchy at best. To the un-savy buyer, however, it might work to think that they are getting something high-tech for "nothing".
12-19-2011, 12:42 PM
#703
AZ Community Team
Ah no, you clearly missed your own point. You made the statement
^^ All vehicles are required now to have a back-up sensor/rearview camera system.
It's sorta like saying that's a good price considering seatbelts and airbags are standard.
Not "some" but "all" you wrote, implying Honda had to do include the backup camera like seat-belts and airbags on all vehicles. Colin countered that with the facts of the regulation, that was the simple point. It had nothing to do if a manufacturer was proactive in integration of a regulation solution sooner.
^^ All vehicles are required now to have a back-up sensor/rearview camera system.
It's sorta like saying that's a good price considering seatbelts and airbags are standard.
Not "some" but "all" you wrote, implying Honda had to do include the backup camera like seat-belts and airbags on all vehicles. Colin countered that with the facts of the regulation, that was the simple point. It had nothing to do if a manufacturer was proactive in integration of a regulation solution sooner.
You miss the point. It is clearly required by regulations....no?
Honda putting it into their cars now (ahead schedule if you will) is what everyone else is doing. Most makes when it comes to new regulations get them onto the vehicles ahead of time....especially with the case of a new model introduced barely ahead of the full implementation of the new regulation.
Why would Honda wait until 2014 the year of the 100% regulation to add this feature? Like most makes, Honda is thinking ahead.
To "sell" the back-up camera as if it were a high-end feature included in the standard features list is sketchy at best. To the un-savy buyer, however, it might work to think that they are getting something high-tech for "nothing".
Honda putting it into their cars now (ahead schedule if you will) is what everyone else is doing. Most makes when it comes to new regulations get them onto the vehicles ahead of time....especially with the case of a new model introduced barely ahead of the full implementation of the new regulation.
Why would Honda wait until 2014 the year of the 100% regulation to add this feature? Like most makes, Honda is thinking ahead.
To "sell" the back-up camera as if it were a high-end feature included in the standard features list is sketchy at best. To the un-savy buyer, however, it might work to think that they are getting something high-tech for "nothing".
Last edited by Legend2TL; 12-19-2011 at 12:50 PM.
12-19-2011, 01:34 PM
#704
Senior Moderator
Most makers (and it appears that Honda might be too...although you feel they are not) are well ahead of the curve on this.
I think his original point is simply that having a back up camera as standard isn't as big a deal as it once was. And because its soon law, they won't have a choice regardless.
12-19-2011, 02:00 PM
#705
The sizzle in the Steak
...and sanity comes back to the thread.
Thanks, dom.
12-19-2011, 02:29 PM
#706
AZ Community Team
I agree in his second statement that is true but not in the first statement (697) he made in response to Phile's statement (696) about having the backup camera as standard. He clearly implied it was required by law for all vehicles where he was clearly wrong as proven by Colin.
12-19-2011, 02:32 PM
#707
AZ Community Team
12-19-2011, 02:34 PM
#708
AZ Community Team
Getting back to the topic, has anyone seen a 4G CRV yet?
My wife is talking about a Highlander but I'd like to wait for 2013 and hopefully a 6AT 4G CRV
My wife is talking about a Highlander but I'd like to wait for 2013 and hopefully a 6AT 4G CRV
12-19-2011, 02:41 PM
#709
Senior Moderator
I've been looking at the Honda dealer every morning, nothing yet. I'm itching to downsize from my Ody, and I really like this new CR-V, as least in pictures. I think it has everything I need in a vehicle, but I do require that 3rd row on occasion, maybe 5-10 times per year, in a pinch.
Its too bad I have to go to something big to get that 3rd row. Outside of the Kia Sorento, I can't think of a smallish SUV that has the 3rd row. No interest in a larger SUV, may as well keep the Ody.
Its too bad I have to go to something big to get that 3rd row. Outside of the Kia Sorento, I can't think of a smallish SUV that has the 3rd row. No interest in a larger SUV, may as well keep the Ody.
12-19-2011, 02:43 PM
#710
The sizzle in the Steak
12-19-2011, 02:44 PM
#711
The sizzle in the Steak
I've been looking at the Honda dealer every morning, nothing yet. I'm itching to downsize from my Ody, and I really like this new CR-V, as least in pictures. I think it has everything I need in a vehicle, but I do require that 3rd row on occasion, maybe 5-10 times per year, in a pinch.
Its too bad I have to go to something big to get that 3rd row. Outside of the Kia Sorento, I can't think of a smallish SUV that has the 3rd row. No interest in a larger SUV, may as well keep the Ody.
Its too bad I have to go to something big to get that 3rd row. Outside of the Kia Sorento, I can't think of a smallish SUV that has the 3rd row. No interest in a larger SUV, may as well keep the Ody.
...yea me too. No more minvan here for the "next" replacement.
Sadly, I don't think I see a Honda in my future.
12-19-2011, 03:19 PM
#712
AZ Community Team
^^ All vehicles are required now to have a back-up sensor/rearview camera system.
It's sorta like saying that's a good price considering seatbelts and airbags are standard.
Try looking up the definition of "now"
you just keep digging yourself deeper
12-19-2011, 03:23 PM
#713
AZ Community Team
I've been looking at the Honda dealer every morning, nothing yet. I'm itching to downsize from my Ody, and I really like this new CR-V, as least in pictures. I think it has everything I need in a vehicle, but I do require that 3rd row on occasion, maybe 5-10 times per year, in a pinch.
Its too bad I have to go to something big to get that 3rd row. Outside of the Kia Sorento, I can't think of a smallish SUV that has the 3rd row. No interest in a larger SUV, may as well keep the Ody.
Its too bad I have to go to something big to get that 3rd row. Outside of the Kia Sorento, I can't think of a smallish SUV that has the 3rd row. No interest in a larger SUV, may as well keep the Ody.
12-19-2011, 04:46 PM
#714
Safety Car
Msnbc
Cleverness. Value. Above all else: simplicity. These are the enduring virtues that have endeared Honda cars to drivers since the 1970s.
There are other cars that got good gas mileage; others with impressive durability. But none of them captured Honda’s spirit. Their commercials said it all: “Honda: we make it simple.”
Perhaps simplicity is less valued today. Perhaps it is just more challenging to deliver in a tech-centric world. Whatever the obstacles, while Honda’s new 2012 CR-V compact crossover SUV (even the description is inelegant) is a very good family car, it isn’t a special one. There is nothing about this that puts Honda’s clever stamp on it and says, “No other company could, or would, have done this.”
Instead, the CR-V is increasingly undistinguished in an increasingly competitive segment. That doesn’t make it a bad car, just a dull one.
1 feature that comes the closest is the folding mechanism for the rear seats. The back seat is split 60/40 and there are release handles for each side in the rear cargo area. Pull the handle and that side’s seat folds down automatically. That includes flipping the seat bottom forward and folding down the head restraint so it doesn’t foul the back of the front seat while folding forward.
It is pretty cool to watch, and few competitors have much that compares. But a remote seat release is still just a remote seat release.
From the driver’s seat we are greeted by Honda’s current un-simple dashboard design. It’s a cataclysm of plastic materials, colors and grains, made busier by the large number of assembled pieces and the disjointed cut lines between them. Throw in swoopy, lumpy styling of the busy sort that once evoked derision of Japanese automotive exterior design and it just seems like too much.
You want to tell them to relax. Be yourselves. The problem with the dashboard, like the problem with so many Honda products in general, seems to be a desire to be all things to all people, rather than concentrating on being the absolute best at something and sticking to that.
The exterior is similarly busy and lumpy. The rear end is especially osteoporotic, with the forward hunch of a white-haired old lady. With slick styling on the brand new Ford Escape and Mazda CX-5, and with the designers are Hyundai and Kia turning out new winners at every turn, Honda can’t afford to phone in the styling. I’m reminded of a teacher’s admonition of an unmotivated student: “Is this really your best work?”
A hiccup in the climate control of our pre-production test car saw the air conditioning periodically blast us with cold air for brief intervals on cool days with bright sun.
The company promises this was an artifact of pre-production programming of the climate control system in our prototype that has been fixed in production models.
Honda inexplicably continues to eschew the automatic 3-blink turn signal at a time when seemingly every other manufacturer has adopted this feature.
Another area where it looks like Honda is coasting: the CR-V has a 5-speed automatic transmission. At a time when 6-speeds are the norm because of the emphasis on fuel economy, Honda continues its long-standing tradition of being a gear or 2 short in the transmission. Even in the good old days, part of Honda’s simplicity was to leave extraneous gears out of the automatic transmission (they had 2-speed automatics in the 1970s!).
Until Honda upgrades to a 6-speed, the EPA city gas mileage of 22 mpg is pretty representative of what to expect. In a week of light suburban, mostly highway use, the CR-V returned a shade under 24 mpg. The (admittedly less powerful) Mazda CX-5 with all-wheel drive scores 25 mpg on the EPA’s city driving cycle.
There is plenty good to say about the CR-V. Its 4-cylinder engine is smooth and powerful. The electric power steering is well calibrated, with none of the low-speed numbness that plagues most such systems.
The back seat and cargo area are capacious, which is important in a category of vehicle that serves as a minivan for many families with only a couple kids. On the road the CR-V is smooth, comfortable and its all-wheel-drive is confidence inspiring on rain-slicked roads.
In addition to the test car’s navigation screen, all CR-Vs feature another full-color LCD screen that displays information about the entertainment system and trip computer data. Here Honda has one of the 1st systems that supports Pandora running on smartphones, with full integrated control of the app and the display mirroring that of the phone to keep the driver’s eyes up and forward when giving a “thumbs down” to one of Pandora’s stupider song selections.
That screen also supplements the optional nav display by showing upcoming turn information when navigating a route plotted by the computer.
These attributes contribute to a solidly favorable impression of the CR-V. Consumers who take one home aren't likely to regret it. But in today’s compact crossover segment, they would be selling themselves short to automatically return to their Honda dealer without looking at the latest entries from Ford, Mazda, Hyundai and Kia, among others.
Vital statistics: 2012 Honda CR-V EX-L 4WD Navi
Base price: $25,445 (2011 EX 4WD)
As tested (including $810 shipping): $29,795
EPA gas mileage: 22 mpg city, 30 mpg highway, 25 mpg combined.
Pros: Quick-folding rear seats, Pandora integration, comfortable ride
Cons: Clunky looks, grunge music-era 5-speed trans, no 3-blink turn signal
Verdict: The solidly competent CR-V lacks the inspiration that established Honda’s reputation.
Standard equipment: 185-hp, 2.4-liter I-4 engine, 5-speed automatic transmission, Real Time All-Wheel-Drive, power moonroof, keyless entry, power windows, door locks, air conditioning, tilt and telescope steering column, Bluetooth hands-free
Major options: leather upholstery, GPS navigation, roof rails, dual-zone climate control, 10-way power adjustable driver’s seat, 328-watt 7-speaker audio
Safety equipment: front, side, curtain airbags, electronic stability control, brake assist, tire pressure monitor, daytime running lights, traction control, anti-lock brakes
Base price: $25,445 (2011 EX 4WD)
As tested (including $810 shipping): $29,795
EPA gas mileage: 22 mpg city, 30 mpg highway, 25 mpg combined.
Pros: Quick-folding rear seats, Pandora integration, comfortable ride
Cons: Clunky looks, grunge music-era 5-speed trans, no 3-blink turn signal
Verdict: The solidly competent CR-V lacks the inspiration that established Honda’s reputation.
Standard equipment: 185-hp, 2.4-liter I-4 engine, 5-speed automatic transmission, Real Time All-Wheel-Drive, power moonroof, keyless entry, power windows, door locks, air conditioning, tilt and telescope steering column, Bluetooth hands-free
Major options: leather upholstery, GPS navigation, roof rails, dual-zone climate control, 10-way power adjustable driver’s seat, 328-watt 7-speaker audio
Safety equipment: front, side, curtain airbags, electronic stability control, brake assist, tire pressure monitor, daytime running lights, traction control, anti-lock brakes
12-19-2011, 05:02 PM
#716
does everything turn into an e-fight in autonews?I do think if you were looking at it with a cynical eye, yes Honda was simply following regulations that they would have had to meet in coming years. but they could've done so and charged the customer for those items - and they really didn't do that here. the price for an EX model, the same one I have, on the '12 CR-V isn't that much higher and you get a lot more technology.
12-19-2011, 05:10 PM
#717
The sizzle in the Steak
does everything turn into an e-fight in autonews?I do think if you were looking at it with a cynical eye, yes Honda was simply following regulations that they would have had to meet in coming years. but they could've done so and charged the customer for those items - and they really didn't do that here. the price for an EX model, the same one I have, on the '12 CR-V isn't that much higher and you get a lot more technology.
You are gonna make people upset!!!
12-19-2011, 05:49 PM
#718
I drive a Subata.
iTrader: (1)
well that review is pretty negative on a lot of points
12-19-2011, 05:53 PM
#719
AZ Community Team
12-19-2011, 06:10 PM
#720
The sizzle in the Steak
