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Honda: CR-V News
Honda sues Chinese automaker, saying it copied CR-V - - By Alysha Webb - - - Automotive News / March 31, 2004
SHANGHAI-- Honda Motor Co. has filed an intellectual property lawsuit in Beijing against China’s Hebei Shuanghuan Auto Co. alleging that its RABO S-RV model is a copy of Honda’s CR-V small SUV. “If you look at the outward design, it is clear it is a copy of our CR-V,” Honda spokesman David Iida said. Honda approached the Chinese automaker in September of 2003 after reviewing the promotional material. After receiving no response, Honda filed the lawsuit in November, but the case did not receive publicity until this week. The case has not come to trial, Iida said. Honda last year exported 4,475 CR-Vs to China, where they sell for about 325,000 yuan or $39,250 at current exchange rates. The RABO S-RV was introduced in October 2003. It is priced at about $12,000. Honda began producing the CR-V locally this year in a joint venture with Dongfeng Motor Corp. The first domestically produced CR-V is expected to be produced soon, a Dongfeng Motor spokesman said. But the lawsuit is not necessarily motivated by the fact that a locally made version will soon be on the market here, Iida said. “We just want to make it clear that we want to protect our intellectual property rights,” he said. Other foreign automakers have taken Chinese companies to court with little success. Toyota Motor Co. in November 2003 lost a trademark infringement case against domestic carmaker Geely Group. General Motors is reportedly still considering a case against SAIC Chery Automobile Co., whose QQ model closely resembles the Chevrolet Spark produced at SAIC-GM-Wuling. Copying entire vehicles is rare in China, but counterfeiting spare parts is rampant. By some estimates, more than 50 percent of all spare parts sold in China are fakes. |
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Sigh, not sure why anyone would want to copy that ugly ass CR-V. But to see Honda try to sue for copying is kinda funny.
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Re: Honda sues Chinese automaker, saying it copied CR-V
Originally posted by gavriil Honda sues Chinese automaker, saying it copied CR-V - - By Alysha Webb - - - Automotive News / March 31, 2004 Honda last year exported 4,475 CR-Vs to China, where they sell for about 325,000 yuan or $39,250 at current exchange rates. |
Re: Re: Honda sues Chinese automaker, saying it copied CR-V
Originally posted by MJMeucci :yikes: :bigeek: For a CR-V?!? Commies :sqnteek: |
a lex ls430 is $93k usd in china
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Honda CR-Vs burst into flames shortly after getting their first oil changes...
Honda vehicle fires linked to oil changes - - Automotive News / July 09, 2004 - - Source: Autonews.com
WASHINGTON -- At least 27 Honda CR-V sport-utility vehicles from the 2003 and 2004 model years burst into flames shortly after getting their first oil changes, The Washington Post reported on Friday. No injuries were reported, but many of the vehicles were destroyed, usually with 10,000 miles or fewer on their odometers, the newspaper said, citing records provided to the U.S. government by Honda. The National Highway Transportation Safety Administration investigated the situation and concluded July 1 that the cases were the fault of dealerships or others who improperly installed oil filters, the newspaper said. According to the report, NHTSA and American Honda Motor Co. agreed that oil from the filters most likely leaked onto the vehicles' hot exhaust systems, quickly igniting. "We consulted with Honda. Honda concluded it was a technician's error, and they have taken steps to make sure service technicians who work on this vehicle understand that they need to be particularly diligent when they replace the oil filter," NHTSA spokesman Rae Tyson was quoted as saying. Honda doesn't know why the fires are happening in only the two most recent CR-V model years and not earlier ones, spokesman Andy Boyd told the newspaper "That's the part we're still investigating," he said. There were about 140,000 CR-Vs sold in the United States in 2003 and Honda said 22 of them caught fire from the apparent oil filter problem, the Post reported. So far this year, five owners of 2004 CR-Vs have reported such fires to NHTSA, the newspaper said. |
Well that's not good......
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How do you install an oil filter wrong?!?!
What if you change the oil yourself...is it going to burst into flames? Now if you own a CRV you have to have the filter installed by a professional?...PLEASE Honda is :lame: on this one....Recall the CRV and fix the "real" problem. |
I dont know about a recall... ALthough I am not sure how one can have a leaky oil filter, especially when using the OEM part, I am now concerned about the RX300, because the oil filter is EXACTLY over the catalytic converter. I have not had issues yet, though now, after reading this, I will be a lot more careful.
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U.S. National - Reuters
Honda Vehicle Fires Linked to Oil Changes - Report Fri Jul 9,12:56 AM ET Add U.S. National - Reuters to My Yahoo! WASHINGTON (Reuters) - At least 27 Honda CR-V sport-utility vehicles from the 2003 and 2004 model years burst into flames shortly after getting their first oil changes, The Washington Post reported on Friday, No injuries were reported, but many of the vehicles were destroyed, usually with 10,000 miles or fewer on their odometers, the newspaper said, citing records provided to the U.S. government by Honda. The National Highway Transportation Safety Administration investigated the situation and concluded July 1 that the cases were the fault of dealerships or others who improperly installed oil filters, the newspaper said. According to the report, NHTSA and American Honda Motor Co. (news - web sites) agreed that oil from the filters most likely leaked onto the vehicles' hot exhaust systems, quickly igniting. "We consulted with Honda. Honda concluded it was a technician's error, and they have taken steps to make sure service technicians who work on this vehicle understand that they need to be particularly diligent when they replace the oil filter," NHTSA spokesman Rae Tyson was quoted as saying. Honda doesn't know why the fires are happening in only the two most recent CR-V model years and not earlier ones, spokesman Andy Boyd told the newspaper "That's the part we're still investigating," he said. There were about 140,000 CR-Vs sold in the United States in 2003 and Honda said 22 of them caught fire from the apparent oil filter problem, the Post reported. So far this year, five owners of 2004 CR-Vs have reported such fires to NHTSA, the newspaper said. |
:explode:
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Egads, I hope no one is a DIY owner...
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DIY is when you dont have a problem.
its when monkey ass wrenchheads making $5.50/hr dont care about spilling oil all over your under carriage that you have a problem. |
Originally Posted by Minch00
Well that's not good......
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that sucks... :dunno:
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http://w01.us/pv/2004/09/03/HON2004090369556_pv.jpg http://i.tnpv.us/2004/WKA200409/WKA2004090369877_pv.jpg http://i.tnpv.us/2004/WKA200409/WKA2004090369835_pv.jpg http://i.tnpv.us/2004/WKA200409/WKA2004090369849_pv.jpg http://i.tnpv.us/2004/WKA200409/WKA2004090369807_pv.jpg http://i.tnpv.us/2004/WKA200409/WKA2004090369821_pv.jpg http://i.tnpv.us/2004/WKA200409/WKA2004090369793_pv.jpg http://i.tnpv.us/2004/WKA200409/WKA2004090369764_pv.jpg http://i.tnpv.us/2004/WKA200409/WKA2004090369750_pv.jpg http://i.tnpv.us/2004/WKA200409/WKA2004090369736_pv.jpg http://i.tnpv.us/2004/WKA200409/WKA2004090369474_pv.jpg http://i.tnpv.us/2004/WKA200409/WKA2004090369779_pv.jpg Improved exterior styling: redesigned lamps, front bumper, headlight, side still, and front grille ABS, VSA and S-SRS standard on all trim levels Standard five speed automatic transmission 16” wheel for all trim levels plus new EX alloy wheel design and LX steel wheel design New Arch flare with one-piece mud guard Larger seatback pockets and improved ivory interior color New retractable grab rail New integrated keyless remote entry Steering wheel mounted audio controls and outside temperature gauge added to EX trim level New Cam-driven Real Time™ 4WD mechanism on all models (replaces hydraulic pump-type system) New Special Edition trim level that includes heated leather seats and door mirrors, leather steering wheel and shift knob, body-colored bumpers, side molding, door handles and hard spare tire cover Three new colors exterior – Silver Moss, Redondo Red Pearl, Sahara Sand Exclusive SE trim exterior color – Pewter Pearl Source: www.autodeadline.com |
I dunno, I can't respect an Suv with a spare tire attached to the rear hatch.
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that center console is terrible
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:werd: Whoever designed that console needs to be shot in the throat.
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much better
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Originally Posted by Python2121
that center console is terrible
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Crv gets 2.2 liter "i-CTDi" turbo Diesel at paris auto show.
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At least the old CR-V was unoffensive. This one is ugly inside and out (2nd gen). I am sure they sell well being a Honda. Yuck.
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
At least the old CR-V was unoffensive. This one is ugly inside and out (2nd gen). I am sure they sell well being a Honda. Yuck.
My uncle recently got a 5-speed, and I was very impressed. It was $22k pretty loaded, very smooth, very roomy inside, and solid like a rock. Very nice for the $$. I was definitely more impressed with the CR-V than the Rav4. I'm not a fan of the new changes here, but overall, it's not a bad choice for those looking for something in this segment |
Why Are Honda CR-V's Catching Fire?
Why Are Honda CR-V's Catching Fire? http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/12/business/12honda.html By JEREMY W. PETERS DETROIT, Oct. 8 - With barely 10,000 miles on the odometer of his 2003 Honda CR-V sport utility vehicle, the only thing Steve Elder expected to smell inside was that new- car scent. But as he drove home after having the oil changed last December, his CR-V began to fill with smoke. "So I got out, obviously, checked under the hood and saw flames coming out of the engine," said Mr. Elder, a 35-year-old financial planner from North Yarmouth, Me. http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/...ss/12honda.jpg A Honda CR-V burned earlier this year in St. Augustine, Fla. At least 60 new CR-V's nationwide have caught fire while on the road, and an inquiry is covering about 280,000 vehicles in the 2003-4 model years. It was not long before the entire vehicle - and a pair of diamond earrings Mr. Elder had bought his wife for Christmas - were consumed by the fire. Mr. Elder's vehicle was one of at least 60 new CR-V's nationwide to catch fire suddenly while on the road. In most cases, the vehicles had just been serviced for their first oil changes. While no injuries have been reported, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has reopened and upgraded an investigation into the CR-V to determine what is making some of them suddenly burst into flames, in many cases destroying the vehicles. The expanded inquiry covers about 280,000 CR-V's in the 2003 and 2004 model years. So far, the investigation has yielded nothing but finger-pointing, with Honda blaming dealerships for mishandling oil changes and consumer groups accusing the automaker of dodging responsibility. "The core issue for us is the issue of improper installation of the oil filter," said a Honda spokesman, Andy Boyd. "There doesn't seem to be anything else that we can point to." In the new phase of its investigation, the safety agency is looking beyond the oil filter to see what other factors could be contributing to the CR-V fires. Rae Tyson, a spokesman for the agency, said, "In this instance, both N.H.T.S.A. and Honda initially thought it was merely a problem with not executing the oil change properly, and that there didn't seem to be anything inherently wrong with the vehicle." Mr. Tyson added that while the agency had not found any evidence of a manufacturer's defect, the manufacturing and design of the CR-V are two of several subjects investigators are now studying. Honda and the safety administration thought they had resolved the CR-V fires problem this summer. In July, the agency closed a preliminary investigation into fires involving 2003 model CR-V's after Honda said the problem was a result of faulty oil changes. According to documents from the safety administration, Honda said that in many of the vehicles that caught fire, mechanics had either not properly installed a new oil filter seal or had failed to remove the factory-installed seal before putting in the new one. With the two seals in place at one time, the new oil filter could not create enough suction to prevent oil from leaking out and spilling onto the car's hot exhaust system. With an improperly installed seal, oil could also seep out onto the exhaust system and cause a fire. The documents show that the agency agreed that the problem originated at dealerships and service stations and had nothing to do with the CR-V's design. Honda then sent letters to its dealers warning them of the potential fire hazard, and the agency stopped its inquiry. The fires, however, did not stop. From July 1 to Sept. 9, the date the safety administration reopened its investigation into the CR-V, the agency received reports of 18 more fires. The new investigation, known as an engineering analysis, is the most exhaustive of the agency's safety inquiries. It is also looking at model year 2004 CR-V's because drivers have begun reporting fires in those models as well. Mr. Tyson said the investigation could have several outcomes, ranging from no action to a recall. Honda insists the fires are being caused by negligence on the part of mechanics and says it is not considering a voluntary recall. "You can't recall the process of changing oil, and that really is the root problem as we see it today," Mr. Boyd said. What is puzzling Honda engineers and other automobile experts who have been studying the fires is why they are occurring only in 2003 and 2004 models. "There were no fundamental changes in the vehicle design from 2002 to 2003, yet we have seen this jump in the number of leaks, and in some cases fires," Mr. Boyd said. Mr. Boyd said the last significant redesign to the CR-V was in 2001, but fires have only recently become a problem. Some experts have argued that if the fault lies with mechanics, as Honda contends, any vehicle would be prone to the same problems as the CR-V. "There's something Honda isn't telling the government about this vehicle," said Clarence Ditlow, executive director of the Center for Auto Safety. Mr. Ditlow said the safety agency should order a recall if Honda refused to do one voluntarily. "This is an open-and-shut case, so the only question for us is, Why haven't they done a safety recall?" Gregory Barnett, an automotive and heavy-truck consultant to the insurance industry who has written a book about vehicle fires, said the CR-V problem appeared to be a result of Honda's design and laziness on the part of mechanics. The CR-V's oil filter, like those in models from many other automakers, is near the exhaust system, which increases the likelihood of a fire if the filter leaks, Mr. Barnett said. It is the mechanic's job to keep a leak from happening, he added. "For somebody to change the oil and not check for a stuck gasket is just stupid," Mr. Barnett said. "I can't believe that Honda has had to send a letter out saying, 'Hey, guys, check for the oil filter gasket - you're setting cars on fire.' " Some Honda mechanics disagree. In a letter to Automotive News, Jonathan O'Brian, a Honda shop foreman in Princeton, N.J., said the close proximity of the oil filter to the exhaust system in the CR-V could not be overlooked. "With oil changes being relegated to less-experienced technicians and the constant pressure to do the job quickly, what is simply a mess on any other car is potentially hazardous on a CR-V," he wrote. Mr. O'Brian declined to comment further, saying his letter had made his superiors at Honda unhappy. "I'm better off not saying anything," he said. |
This is also discussed in page 1 of this thread.
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Next Gen. Honda CR-V News **Edmunds Review and Specs (pages 7&8)**
Here's a spy shot. I like that it's right behind the RDX... makes for easy comparison.
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I like it...probably no V6 right?
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Looks better than the current one which I think is one of the ugliest vehicles on the road.
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Originally Posted by sdho
I like it...probably no V6 right?
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Originally Posted by Ashburner
Looks better than the current one which I think is one of the ugliest vehicles on the road.
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Originally Posted by Motohip
Gosh such harsh words. What about the Ford Focus, Taurus, Dodge Neon, Impala, Aztec, etc? :dunno:
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Hard to believe it won't have a V6. Should be an at least an option IMO. Honda continues to shoot themselves in the foot.
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Whats going on with that rear window? It looks like there is an outline to another window in there or something.
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Originally Posted by Ashburner
Looks better than the current one which I think is one of the ugliest vehicles on the road.
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Originally Posted by jwong77
Whats going on with that rear window? It looks like there is an outline to another window in there or something.
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Originally Posted by phile
Don't hold your breath. This is a photochop of what the next CR-V will look like. If the artist got the rear window proportions correct, who knows just how accurate this photochop really is.
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Originally Posted by phile
Don't hold your breath. This is a photochop of what the next CR-V will look like. If the artist got the rear window proportions correct, who knows just how accurate this photochop really is.
https://media.popularmechanics.com/i...r001_large.jpg Looks pretty accurate to me. |
I pray that that open mouth gill front does not make it...
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