Honda: Civic News
#5081
Team Owner
Prices are all relative. The car prices in the US is not norm when comparing to rest of the world.
#5082
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https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/h...r-tc-race-car/
Pretend for a minute that you're a racing car driver with your own team. You love Honda, and the Type R TCR is looking like it would be a near-perfect car to campaign this season, but the only problem is that it's $172,000 plus spares, and while you've got enough money to race, your app didn't sell for that much money.
Fear not, because Honda Performance Development (aka HPD, aka Honda's in-house racing division) has a solution for you which it announced on Thursday, and it slots in neatly between the Civic Si TCA race car and the Civic Type R TCR. It's called the Civic Type R TC, and it's not cheap at $89,900, but it's a lot of race car for the money.
"The successes of Honda Racing Development's TCA Civic Si and TCR Type R in North American touring car championship series have generated a strong interest in more ready-to-race Honda Touring Cars for North America," said Ted Klaus, president of Honda Performance Development, in a statement. "With the introduction of the new Type R TC-class race car, we now offer a complete lineup of turn-key, Civic-based race cars for registered racing customers in North America."
What exactly does the omission of that last R mean for prospective buyers? To start, the engine is the same as the one in the production Civic Type R. Unlike the TCR's engine, which is calibrated and sealed by JAS Motorsport, this baby is right off the production line. Power levels are comparable give or take 10 horsepower, so this is more of a class rules and/or reliability issue.
Next, the TC forgoes the TCR's fancy X-Trac sequential gearbox and instead uses a production six-speed manual that's got HPD-strengthened third and fourth gears and a Cusco limited-slip differential. There's no paddle shifters or anything, so in the Type R TC, you'll be rowing your own gears.
The chassis of the TC gets all kinds of HPD performance bracing and a roll cage but lacks the TCR's high-zoot Ohlins suspension. With that, you do sacrifice some of the adjustability that comes with such pricey suspenders, but there's still plenty to tweak, thanks to adjustable control arms, sway bars, camber/caster plates and more. You're also giving up forged wheels for cast ones.
The TC gets factory power steering and a factory steering column that tilts and telescopes, but you lose the production steering wheel, and in its place, you get an OMP unit with a quick release, because race car. Brakes are Brembo units with two-piece rotors up front, stock units at the rear, and you also get an HPD-tuned ABS unit and cooling ducts.
Now, before you get all excited, the Type R TC is only available to eligible Honda Racing Line customers, meaning that not just any geek off the street can turn up and buy one with plans to drive it away down the 405 freeway.
With the Civic Type R TC, you'll be eligible to participate in the SCCA's T2 class, NASA's (no, not that NASA) ST5 and E2 classes and SRO's Touring Car Americas TC class. Not bad for a race car that costs M3-with-a-few-options money.
Fear not, because Honda Performance Development (aka HPD, aka Honda's in-house racing division) has a solution for you which it announced on Thursday, and it slots in neatly between the Civic Si TCA race car and the Civic Type R TCR. It's called the Civic Type R TC, and it's not cheap at $89,900, but it's a lot of race car for the money.
"The successes of Honda Racing Development's TCA Civic Si and TCR Type R in North American touring car championship series have generated a strong interest in more ready-to-race Honda Touring Cars for North America," said Ted Klaus, president of Honda Performance Development, in a statement. "With the introduction of the new Type R TC-class race car, we now offer a complete lineup of turn-key, Civic-based race cars for registered racing customers in North America."
What exactly does the omission of that last R mean for prospective buyers? To start, the engine is the same as the one in the production Civic Type R. Unlike the TCR's engine, which is calibrated and sealed by JAS Motorsport, this baby is right off the production line. Power levels are comparable give or take 10 horsepower, so this is more of a class rules and/or reliability issue.
Next, the TC forgoes the TCR's fancy X-Trac sequential gearbox and instead uses a production six-speed manual that's got HPD-strengthened third and fourth gears and a Cusco limited-slip differential. There's no paddle shifters or anything, so in the Type R TC, you'll be rowing your own gears.
The chassis of the TC gets all kinds of HPD performance bracing and a roll cage but lacks the TCR's high-zoot Ohlins suspension. With that, you do sacrifice some of the adjustability that comes with such pricey suspenders, but there's still plenty to tweak, thanks to adjustable control arms, sway bars, camber/caster plates and more. You're also giving up forged wheels for cast ones.
The TC gets factory power steering and a factory steering column that tilts and telescopes, but you lose the production steering wheel, and in its place, you get an OMP unit with a quick release, because race car. Brakes are Brembo units with two-piece rotors up front, stock units at the rear, and you also get an HPD-tuned ABS unit and cooling ducts.
Now, before you get all excited, the Type R TC is only available to eligible Honda Racing Line customers, meaning that not just any geek off the street can turn up and buy one with plans to drive it away down the 405 freeway.
With the Civic Type R TC, you'll be eligible to participate in the SCCA's T2 class, NASA's (no, not that NASA) ST5 and E2 classes and SRO's Touring Car Americas TC class. Not bad for a race car that costs M3-with-a-few-options money.
#5083
Moderator
CTR GT wing > CTR OE wing
Otherwise, outwardly, looks like a mostly stock car with a roll cage.
Otherwise, outwardly, looks like a mostly stock car with a roll cage.
#5084
This price include the VAT aka sales tax. registeration is very nominal for hybrids, electric and low CO2 diesels, Petrols. low insurance.
I haven't checked the Honda Civic in UK but the Honda CRV hybrid they had very refined, head up display. Honda sensing that was much more advanced that what was offered in US. adjust speed based on speed limit, camera locations etc.
They had 5 year free maintaince. . depend on exchange rate 45k to 50k USD.
I haven't checked the Honda Civic in UK but the Honda CRV hybrid they had very refined, head up display. Honda sensing that was much more advanced that what was offered in US. adjust speed based on speed limit, camera locations etc.
They had 5 year free maintaince. . depend on exchange rate 45k to 50k USD.
#5085
you can get a used 2019 BMW 3 series at price less than a new 1.0 Honda Civic.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...ice-asc&page=1
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...ice-asc&page=1
BMW 3 Series (2019)
320d Sport Saloon 2.0 4dr£25,000
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https://www.autoblog.com/2020/01/06/...-drive-review/
One of the common laments among modern-day car enthusiasts is that the companies that still offer manual transmissions on cars only put them on the stripped-out versions or otherwise compromised performance cars. For example, the current-generation Honda Civic Hatchback was only offered with a manual in either the meagerly equipped Sport hatchback or the pricey and powerful Type R. The 2020 Honda Civic rectifies this by adding a manual transmission option to the decked-out Sport Touring hatchback. Finally, you can have every comfort feature offered on the Civic while still shifting for yourself. But it’s important to note that it’s not the best value in the lineup – more on that in a minute.
Let’s quickly go over the manual Civic hatchback experience before getting deep into trim specifics. Under the hood is a turbocharged 1.5-liter four-cylinder making 180 horsepower and 180 pound-feet of torque. It pulls strongly, and still has a smooth, Honda hum, but the turbo can be sluggish to spool up. It can provide a fun, old-school rush of power when the boost fully hits, but can also be frustrating when you want the power the second you hit the throttle.
The six-speed manual coupled to it has a light, tight feel, that’s second only to the super snickety Si and Type R gearboxes. The Civic hatchback has quick, accurate steering that’s light. Body roll and understeer are mild, and the chassis feels solid and composed with a smooth, gentle ride. Honda should consider adding more sound insulation, though, since the Civic has more road and wind noise than many of its competitors. Making up for the noisy cabin is its cavernous size; tall and large people will be very comfortable whether they’re up front or in the back. Firward visibility is great with the thin pillars and low dash, but thick rear pillars hamper the rear view. Though some cars may outperform the Civic in one specific area, none of them do as many things well as the Civic hatchback.
Starting with such a strong base, the Sport Touring enhances the experience with its list of comfort and convenience features. Both front seats are power adjustable, while both rows get leather upholstery and heating, the latter of which is uncommon for back seats in the segment. Climate control is upgraded from single-zone to automatic dual-zone, and the infotainment now includes satellite navigation in addition to Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. Plus, there’s a sunroof, automatic headlights, heated side mirrors, LaneWatch right-side blind-spot camera, an auto-dimming rear-view mirror, rain-sensing wipers and a 12-speaker, 540-watt sound system. All this comes standard for $28,980, making it the most expensive hatchback trim this side of the Type R.
This is all well and good, but there are a couple of issues. First is that none of these features really make the Civic Sport Touring feel $5,300 more expensive than the regular Sport. From the outside, the two are identical except for the Sport Touring’s LED headlights and mirrors with turn signals. It’s not a bad look, as both trims are athletic and aggressive looking, but the Sport Touring doesn’t improve the looks significantly over the Sport.
It’s the same case inside. The Sport Touring does have leather and some nice features, but the entire dashboard, instruments and infotainment are again carryover from the much cheaper models. It’s a plasticky, but stylish enough and well-built, which would be fine at the low- to mid-$20,000 price point. But this is a nearly $30,000 car, and it’s certainly not as nice as the plusher, slightly cheaper (but also slightly more cramped) Mazda3 Premium Hatchback. Some splashes of metal or leather – even leatherette – trim somewhere on the dash would have made a significant difference. The infotainment in particular used to be a distinguishing factor, since the regular Sport lacked the touchscreen and, more importantly, its Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. Considering that the Sport now has the touchscreen and even the same instrument panel screen, the Sport Touring is less special.
The Sport Touring also has a number of features you can’t get on any other manual-transmission Civic, such as navigation, leather upholstery, power seat adjustment, rain-sensing wipers, mirror-mounted turn signals and an auto-dimming rear view mirror. And it’s certainly the way to go if you want a well-equipped manual Civic hatch.
But if you don’t need the hatch, the Si makes for a better deal. It includes other key features from the Sport Touring, such as an upgraded sound system (10 speakers and 480 watts), a sunroof, heated front seats, automatic LED headlights, heated mirrors, dual-zone automatic climate control and LaneWatch. It adds some Si exclusive features such as a more powerful engine with 205 horsepower and 192 pound-feet of torque, electronically adjustable shocks, a mechanical limited-slip differential, and nicely bolstered sport seats. And you get all this for $3,050 less than the Sport Touring.
On the whole, we’re glad that the Civic Sport Touring hatchback now offers a manual. There are people who want an extremely well-rounded machine that’s, practical, economical, comfortable and doesn’t scrimp on amenities, while still being fun to drive and offering a manual transmission. But if you don’t have to have all the comfort features, or can make do without the hatchback shape, the Sport and Si are better values.
Let’s quickly go over the manual Civic hatchback experience before getting deep into trim specifics. Under the hood is a turbocharged 1.5-liter four-cylinder making 180 horsepower and 180 pound-feet of torque. It pulls strongly, and still has a smooth, Honda hum, but the turbo can be sluggish to spool up. It can provide a fun, old-school rush of power when the boost fully hits, but can also be frustrating when you want the power the second you hit the throttle.
The six-speed manual coupled to it has a light, tight feel, that’s second only to the super snickety Si and Type R gearboxes. The Civic hatchback has quick, accurate steering that’s light. Body roll and understeer are mild, and the chassis feels solid and composed with a smooth, gentle ride. Honda should consider adding more sound insulation, though, since the Civic has more road and wind noise than many of its competitors. Making up for the noisy cabin is its cavernous size; tall and large people will be very comfortable whether they’re up front or in the back. Firward visibility is great with the thin pillars and low dash, but thick rear pillars hamper the rear view. Though some cars may outperform the Civic in one specific area, none of them do as many things well as the Civic hatchback.
Starting with such a strong base, the Sport Touring enhances the experience with its list of comfort and convenience features. Both front seats are power adjustable, while both rows get leather upholstery and heating, the latter of which is uncommon for back seats in the segment. Climate control is upgraded from single-zone to automatic dual-zone, and the infotainment now includes satellite navigation in addition to Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. Plus, there’s a sunroof, automatic headlights, heated side mirrors, LaneWatch right-side blind-spot camera, an auto-dimming rear-view mirror, rain-sensing wipers and a 12-speaker, 540-watt sound system. All this comes standard for $28,980, making it the most expensive hatchback trim this side of the Type R.
This is all well and good, but there are a couple of issues. First is that none of these features really make the Civic Sport Touring feel $5,300 more expensive than the regular Sport. From the outside, the two are identical except for the Sport Touring’s LED headlights and mirrors with turn signals. It’s not a bad look, as both trims are athletic and aggressive looking, but the Sport Touring doesn’t improve the looks significantly over the Sport.
It’s the same case inside. The Sport Touring does have leather and some nice features, but the entire dashboard, instruments and infotainment are again carryover from the much cheaper models. It’s a plasticky, but stylish enough and well-built, which would be fine at the low- to mid-$20,000 price point. But this is a nearly $30,000 car, and it’s certainly not as nice as the plusher, slightly cheaper (but also slightly more cramped) Mazda3 Premium Hatchback. Some splashes of metal or leather – even leatherette – trim somewhere on the dash would have made a significant difference. The infotainment in particular used to be a distinguishing factor, since the regular Sport lacked the touchscreen and, more importantly, its Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. Considering that the Sport now has the touchscreen and even the same instrument panel screen, the Sport Touring is less special.
The Sport Touring also has a number of features you can’t get on any other manual-transmission Civic, such as navigation, leather upholstery, power seat adjustment, rain-sensing wipers, mirror-mounted turn signals and an auto-dimming rear view mirror. And it’s certainly the way to go if you want a well-equipped manual Civic hatch.
But if you don’t need the hatch, the Si makes for a better deal. It includes other key features from the Sport Touring, such as an upgraded sound system (10 speakers and 480 watts), a sunroof, heated front seats, automatic LED headlights, heated mirrors, dual-zone automatic climate control and LaneWatch. It adds some Si exclusive features such as a more powerful engine with 205 horsepower and 192 pound-feet of torque, electronically adjustable shocks, a mechanical limited-slip differential, and nicely bolstered sport seats. And you get all this for $3,050 less than the Sport Touring.
On the whole, we’re glad that the Civic Sport Touring hatchback now offers a manual. There are people who want an extremely well-rounded machine that’s, practical, economical, comfortable and doesn’t scrimp on amenities, while still being fun to drive and offering a manual transmission. But if you don’t have to have all the comfort features, or can make do without the hatchback shape, the Sport and Si are better values.
#5090
2024 Honda Civic Type R
Has anyone shared the new 2020 Civic Type R changes? Just noticed this page while on Honda's site.
https://automobiles.honda.com/future-cars/civic-type-r
https://automobiles.honda.com/future-cars/civic-type-r
Updates to the 2020 Civic Type R include:
- Boost Blue Pearl color option
- Expanded grille opening
- Two-piece front disc brakes
- Side mirrors with LED turn indicators
- Honda Sensing®
#5091
Team Owner
I am surprised they did not remove those stupid red stripes..
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Has anyone shared the new 2020 Civic Type R changes? Just noticed this page while on Honda's site.
https://automobiles.honda.com/future-cars/civic-type-r
https://automobiles.honda.com/future-cars/civic-type-r
Updates to the 2020 Civic Type R include:
- Boost Blue Pearl color option
- Expanded grille opening
- Two-piece front disc brakes
- Side mirrors with LED turn indicators
- Honda Sensing®
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#5094
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https://www.autoblog.com/2020/02/19/...w-lightweight/
The Type R is the ultimate Civic from a performance standpoint, and now Honda has created an ultimate version of the ultimate Civic: the 2021 Honda Civic Type R Limited Edition. It's an uninspired name for an eye-popping limited-edition car, only 600 of which will come to America.
The immediately obvious change to the car is the Phoenix Yellow paint scheme that's exclusive to the Limited Edition. It's matched with a black roof, mirror caps and hood scoop, plus some dark chrome badging. Also noticeable are a set of forged 20-inch BBS wheels, the brand having been selected since it has produced wheels for the NSX and S2000.
These wheels aren't just for style, though, they're part of a diet on which Honda put the Limited Edition. They save a total of 18 pounds over the standard wheels. On top of that, Honda removed sound deadening from all around the car including the roof, dashboard and spare tire cover. The rear wiper, cargo cover and rear heater ducts are also removed. It all adds up to an extra 28 pounds removed from the body. In total, the Limited Edition weighs just under 69 pounds less than the standard Type R. In Europe, the Limited Edition will come standard without air conditioning or an infotainment system for a total weight savings of just under 104 pounds.
Both air conditioning and infotainment remain standard on the U.S. model, as does the full range of Honda Sensing safety features such as automatic emergency braking and adaptive cruise control. And like the 2020 Civic Type R, it gets the new LogR data-logging system. Besides weight savings, the Limited Edition gets slightly retuned shocks and steering.
While these changes are relatively mild, Honda says that the Civic Type R Limited Edition is notably quicker than the regular Type R. We asked one of Honda's technical consultants and the Civic Type R's project leader, and neither of them would give specific numbers yet. They did say that Honda will bring the Limited Edition car to the Nurburgring for testing. They also mentioned that the testing would mostly be to see how much faster it is than the regular car, not necessarily to set a new record. Still, if a record is set, they'll be happy to talk about that.
The Type R Limited Edition will be available this summer. There is no special way to order one, so consider talking to your local dealer sooner than later to try and secure one. Pricing has not yet been set, and it will probably be announced closer to the on-sale date.
The immediately obvious change to the car is the Phoenix Yellow paint scheme that's exclusive to the Limited Edition. It's matched with a black roof, mirror caps and hood scoop, plus some dark chrome badging. Also noticeable are a set of forged 20-inch BBS wheels, the brand having been selected since it has produced wheels for the NSX and S2000.
These wheels aren't just for style, though, they're part of a diet on which Honda put the Limited Edition. They save a total of 18 pounds over the standard wheels. On top of that, Honda removed sound deadening from all around the car including the roof, dashboard and spare tire cover. The rear wiper, cargo cover and rear heater ducts are also removed. It all adds up to an extra 28 pounds removed from the body. In total, the Limited Edition weighs just under 69 pounds less than the standard Type R. In Europe, the Limited Edition will come standard without air conditioning or an infotainment system for a total weight savings of just under 104 pounds.
Both air conditioning and infotainment remain standard on the U.S. model, as does the full range of Honda Sensing safety features such as automatic emergency braking and adaptive cruise control. And like the 2020 Civic Type R, it gets the new LogR data-logging system. Besides weight savings, the Limited Edition gets slightly retuned shocks and steering.
While these changes are relatively mild, Honda says that the Civic Type R Limited Edition is notably quicker than the regular Type R. We asked one of Honda's technical consultants and the Civic Type R's project leader, and neither of them would give specific numbers yet. They did say that Honda will bring the Limited Edition car to the Nurburgring for testing. They also mentioned that the testing would mostly be to see how much faster it is than the regular car, not necessarily to set a new record. Still, if a record is set, they'll be happy to talk about that.
The Type R Limited Edition will be available this summer. There is no special way to order one, so consider talking to your local dealer sooner than later to try and secure one. Pricing has not yet been set, and it will probably be announced closer to the on-sale date.
#5095
Team Owner
So you want to pay more for less... here is your chance.
#5096
Team Owner
Now, this would be my kind of type R... too bad US wont get it.
If i read the article correctly, basically the reason why Honda doesn't want to bring it over is because they think we are all bunch of immature ricers.... well i can't say they are entirely incorrect
The Sport Line rides on 19-inch wheels with a dark gray finish and a design with V-shaped spokes. Honda fits Michelin Pilot Sports 4S with softer sidewalls that the regular model, which creates a more supple ride. Extra sound deadening at the rear reduces noise, vibration, and harshness in the cabin.
In addition to swapping out the wing for a spoiler, Honda also adds a gray accent line along the lower edge of the body. The red trim from the standard Civic Type R is gone, too. The hot hatch is available in a new Racing Blue paint color.
The Sport Line doesn't alter the Civic Type R's powertrain. A 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder makes 315 horsepower (235 kilowatts) for the European market, rather than 306 hp (228 kW) in the United States, and 295 pound-feet (400 Newton-meters) of torque. The only gearbox option is a six-speed manual.
If i read the article correctly, basically the reason why Honda doesn't want to bring it over is because they think we are all bunch of immature ricers.... well i can't say they are entirely incorrect
There's finally an option for folks who love the CTR but hate its massive wing.
The 2020 Honda Civic Type R Sport Line speeds into Europe as a mature-looking version of the hot hatch that no longer has a big wing on the rear. Instead, a sizable spoiler takes its place. Before any North American fans get too excited about the prospect of a more subtle CTR, there's some bad news because the company doesn't intend to send that variant across the Atlantic. During the unveiling, the Honda cited the Type R representing ultimate performance in the U.S and customers there generally being younger as some of the reasons for not bringing the car to America.The Sport Line rides on 19-inch wheels with a dark gray finish and a design with V-shaped spokes. Honda fits Michelin Pilot Sports 4S with softer sidewalls that the regular model, which creates a more supple ride. Extra sound deadening at the rear reduces noise, vibration, and harshness in the cabin.
In addition to swapping out the wing for a spoiler, Honda also adds a gray accent line along the lower edge of the body. The red trim from the standard Civic Type R is gone, too. The hot hatch is available in a new Racing Blue paint color.
The Sport Line doesn't alter the Civic Type R's powertrain. A 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder makes 315 horsepower (235 kilowatts) for the European market, rather than 306 hp (228 kW) in the United States, and 295 pound-feet (400 Newton-meters) of torque. The only gearbox option is a six-speed manual.
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Damn that LE model shows Honda is listening to me LOL. all the new 2020 updates plus lighter forged rims and less weight without giving up important features.
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#5098
Ex-OEM King
I actually like the big wing over the small one.
Small wing = Civic Si
Big wing = Civic Type R
Small wing = Civic Si
Big wing = Civic Type R
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#5099
Whats up with RDX owners?
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I'd prefer no wing at all.
#5100
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2024 Honda Civic Type R
With only 600 examples coming to the US, it could possibly be worth something in the future. Higher entry cost but maybe higher value in the end.
But yeah... I don't think I could spend $50k on one, if that's near where it will be.
But yeah... I don't think I could spend $50k on one, if that's near where it will be.
#5103
Whats up with RDX owners?
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#5104
Moderator
Plus the expected dealer markups. May eclipse the S209 STI.
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#5106
AZ Community Team
2020 Honda Civic Type R | A Dying Formula
SavageGeese have great honest technical video's
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#5108
2024 Honda Civic Type R
Nice video! Have heard his name before obviously but never watched one of his videos. I really like that gray color. I know I've said I don't want another FWD car next, but with the price point, performance, and DD livability, I'm seriously considering one. Are they selling for MSRP or can a little deal be had?
#5109
Ex-OEM King
Nice video! Have heard his name before obviously but never watched one of his videos. I really like that gray color. I know I've said I don't want another FWD car next, but with the price point, performance, and DD livability, I'm seriously considering one. Are they selling for MSRP or can a little deal be had?
#5111
Nice video! Have heard his name before obviously but never watched one of his videos. I really like that gray color. I know I've said I don't want another FWD car next, but with the price point, performance, and DD livability, I'm seriously considering one. Are they selling for MSRP or can a little deal be had?
If you look for a 2019 you'll probably be able to get under MSRP. If not, that dealership needs to pull their head out of their ass.
#5112
Safety Car
Yeah no way you can get the 2020 CTR for under MSRP...and if MSZ's rumor is true...this will be another dying breed of more analogue FWD sports compact car and if they do add the SH-AWD....this last dying breath iteration of the 2020 CTR will be even more desirable by some.
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#5114
Safety Car
Absolutely. This is an example of a OEM engineering/upgrade that will be FAR superior to most bolt-on/Joe Backyard upgrades that so many people do to older cars and feel they have a better car than the newest iterations.
#5115
Ex-OEM King
What are the major changes for 2020?
#5116
AZ Community Team
1) additional plastic cooling flap on the steering knuckle to cool the caliper and rotor on the inside
2) the NACA duct to cool the lower front control arm bushing which I didn't know would get that hot in extreme use
3) the new lower front ball joint going to castle style lower facing joint
4) the new two piece floating rotor
Nice video! Have heard his name before obviously but never watched one of his videos. I really like that gray color. I know I've said I don't want another FWD car next, but with the price point, performance, and DD livability, I'm seriously considering one. Are they selling for MSRP or can a little deal be had?
+1, the new 2 piece floating front brake rotors and other small detail changes (grill opening for better cooling) are very compelling that Honda is using feedback to help engineer the updates
#5117
Safety Car
Quick TL;DW summary of the savagegeese video:
- Heavier shift knob
- Changed shift linkage
- LogR data-logging app/improved infotainment (I think uses the same setup as the other Civics, more physical buttons)
- Better engine cooling (bigger front grille opening, some air flow changes for the front as a result)
- Better brakes (2-piece brakes w/ floating rotor non-cross drilled)
- Compliance bushing and lower control arm updates to improve steering feel and cornering
- Damper sampling rates increased from 2kHz to 20kHz
- Rear toe-link bushings stiffer
- Honda sensing standard
- Added fake engine noise (downgrade in many people's eyes)
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#5118
Safety Car
Alot of their videos are really good, their Mustang SVT Cobra YouTube is also very good, they explain alot of interesting details from the outsourced forged pistons which cost ~10x the Ford manufactured ones to the entire rear suspension being outsourced to a independent contractor.
In the Terminator video, he says for that he actually went and bought a BOOK about the Terminator so that he can learn more about the details/history of the car before he films it because he wants to put out something that people can learn somethings from it instead of just another BS video that's very generic and quite frankly...useless (which is a majority of car reviewers these days).
I've never been into the peer to peer economy (GoFundMe, Patreon, Twitch, etc, etc,) but I support him on Patreon just because of the amount of work and effort he puts in.
The Terminator video is absolutely awesome...the humor/jokes in the beginning are great and there are some easter eggs as well.
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Quick TL;DW summary of the savagegeese video:
- Heavier shift knob
- Changed shift linkage
- LogR data-logging app/improved infotainment (I think uses the same setup as the other Civics, more physical buttons)
- Better engine cooling (bigger front grille opening, some air flow changes for the front as a result)
- Better brakes (2-piece brakes w/ floating rotor non-cross drilled)
- Compliance bushing and lower control arm updates to improve steering feel and cornering
- Damper sampling rates increased from 2kHz to 20kHz
- Rear toe-link bushings stiffer
- Honda sensing standard
- Added fake engine noise (downgrade in many people's eyes)
They also have different front and back vents that look less fake.
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nist7 (07-12-2020)
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Quick TL;DW summary of the savagegeese video:
- Heavier shift knob
- Changed shift linkage
- LogR data-logging app/improved infotainment (I think uses the same setup as the other Civics, more physical buttons)
- Better engine cooling (bigger front grille opening, some air flow changes for the front as a result)
- Better brakes (2-piece brakes w/ floating rotor non-cross drilled)
- Compliance bushing and lower control arm updates to improve steering feel and cornering
- Damper sampling rates increased from 2kHz to 20kHz
- Rear toe-link bushings stiffer
- Honda sensing standard
- Added fake engine noise (downgrade in many people's eyes)
I'd still grab a lightly used one for $30k or less rather than spend $10k more on a new one.