Honda: Civic News
10-19-2015, 06:14 PM
#4041
And no one is buying the ILX any way. Honda doesn't care about it, obviously. Just wait for the next one.
10-19-2015, 06:24 PM
#4042
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Mazda 3 4 door is 30k? 
10-19-2015, 06:35 PM
#4043
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It might depend how good the sound deadening is on the Civic vs the ILX, how obtrusive the turbo lag is, and whether there's much of a premium feel to the ILX in comparison (NVH). From the reviews, it's not too bad. I think the 8DCT would win me over vs the CVT. I drove one for a loaner and liked the DCT quite a bit.
10-19-2015, 07:01 PM
#4044
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See.. you are thinking this based on "What ILX has that Civic doesn't" to justify somehow ILX is better. I am sure ILX is quieter and should have better materials and overall better quality.
Think more objectively! At the same time, there are MANY things that the new Civic has that ILX doesn't.
Think more objectively! At the same time, there are MANY things that the new Civic has that ILX doesn't.
10-19-2015, 07:14 PM
#4045
Having driven the current ILX at length, it is NOT quiet by any means.
Every review is talking about the Turbo Civic Sedan is one of the quietest sedan ever produced....
Given the ILX platform is older, I would think the current Civic is the better buy, TILL the ILX goes to the new platform, especially since ILX/TLX will all be getting turbo
Every review is talking about the Turbo Civic Sedan is one of the quietest sedan ever produced....
Given the ILX platform is older, I would think the current Civic is the better buy, TILL the ILX goes to the new platform, especially since ILX/TLX will all be getting turbo
10-19-2015, 09:59 PM
#4047
I havent tried the 1.5T engine. but 2.4 both in Si and ILX not as refined engine in TSX. TSX is gold standard in 4cylinder engines. the DI engine in Accord/TLX tck tck like diesel. the 8speed in ILX/TLX require transmission oil change 30k miles.
10-19-2015, 10:16 PM
#4048
See.. you are thinking this based on "What ILX has that Civic doesn't" to justify somehow ILX is better. I am sure ILX is quieter and should have better materials and overall better quality.
Think more objectively! At the same time, there are MANY things that the new Civic has that ILX doesn't.
Think more objectively! At the same time, there are MANY things that the new Civic has that ILX doesn't.
10-19-2015, 10:26 PM
#4049
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You make me want to gouge my eyes out, every time I read your posts. I'm actually kind of scared right now.
10-19-2015, 10:30 PM
#4050
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It might depend how good the sound deadening is on the Civic vs the ILX, how obtrusive the turbo lag is, and whether there's much of a premium feel to the ILX in comparison (NVH). From the reviews, it's not too bad. I think the 8DCT would win me over vs the CVT. I drove one for a loaner and liked the DCT quite a bit.
10-20-2015, 08:47 AM
#4052
2024 Honda Civic Type R
But all DI engines have the ticking noise like a diesel. And guess what, you get used to it and it's not a big problem. My DI 2.0T does it but I don't notice it anymore. But I'm also modded...
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10-20-2015, 10:19 AM
#4053
All reviews are saying turbo lag almost non existent on the civic
As far as bad dealer service compared the ilx orgasmic dealer service, I know two people who bought 2010 and 2013 civics new
One has 100k miles other has 75 k miles
They have never been to dealer
While we acura guys spend our days at dealer with tlx tranny problems etc all day long
Yes dealer service matters but if you don't have to go to the dealer it's the best case scenario
As far as bad dealer service compared the ilx orgasmic dealer service, I know two people who bought 2010 and 2013 civics new
One has 100k miles other has 75 k miles
They have never been to dealer
While we acura guys spend our days at dealer with tlx tranny problems etc all day long
Yes dealer service matters but if you don't have to go to the dealer it's the best case scenario
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10-20-2015, 03:45 PM
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I hope Acura would just axe ILX and come up with a better car.
10-20-2015, 05:35 PM
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Having driven the current ILX at length, it is NOT quiet by any means.
Every review is talking about the Turbo Civic Sedan is one of the quietest sedan ever produced....
Given the ILX platform is older, I would think the current Civic is the better buy, TILL the ILX goes to the new platform, especially since ILX/TLX will all be getting turbo
Every review is talking about the Turbo Civic Sedan is one of the quietest sedan ever produced....
Given the ILX platform is older, I would think the current Civic is the better buy, TILL the ILX goes to the new platform, especially since ILX/TLX will all be getting turbo
The problem is that the current ILX is based on the 9th gen Civic platform which started out to be a cheap car. I'd imagine the 2016 ILX is pretty much the best Honda could do based on that platform, given a limited development budget.
The 10th gen Civic based on these first reviews seem to be a very, very good car. And it seems like Honda wasn't kidding when they said its development target was the Audi A3.
I think an ILX based on this new 10th gen Civic should be quite good if executed properly. After all, even though the A3 is also based on the Golf platform, that Golf platform is also used for the Passat. This is similar to how the 10th gen Civic is based on the same platform as the next Accord.
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10-20-2015, 06:33 PM
#4057
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Honda could not have picked a better bench mark if what you said is true.
10-20-2015, 11:05 PM
#4058
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I agree!!
10-20-2015, 11:42 PM
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Having spoken to people with a brain who have driven an ILX and the '16 Civic, they said the Civic is a much quieter and higher quality vehicle.
Which means: The Si will be excellent and the ILX based upon it will be immensely better than the current one. Also, the rear subframe enables AWD variants for the platform.
Which means: The Si will be excellent and the ILX based upon it will be immensely better than the current one. Also, the rear subframe enables AWD variants for the platform.
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10-21-2015, 11:53 AM
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Honda Benchmarks Germans for 10th-Gen Civic Sedan | Auto Makers content from WardsAuto
Honda looked at a wide swath of C-segment vehicles, including key benchmark the Audi A3 for its ride, ride quality, steering, handling and noise, vibration and harshness levels, to build “the world’s best C-segment vehicle,” Mendel says.
Having spoken to people with a brain who have driven an ILX and the '16 Civic, they said the Civic is a much quieter and higher quality vehicle.
Which means: The Si will be excellent and the ILX based upon it will be immensely better than the current one. Also, the rear subframe enables AWD variants for the platform.
Which means: The Si will be excellent and the ILX based upon it will be immensely better than the current one. Also, the rear subframe enables AWD variants for the platform.
10-21-2015, 01:10 PM
#4061
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It is designed for the next generation of Acura sedans. If Honda Japan has already decided to keep milking the Accord platform for all Acuras.
10-21-2015, 01:19 PM
#4062
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As much as I dislike the FWD platform, I hope Honda keeps the CTR a FWD. Don't change the tradition! It's their niche.
10-21-2015, 02:03 PM
#4063
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10-21-2015, 04:14 PM
#4064
Team Owner
That's what Mendel said as mentioned in this article.
Honda Benchmarks Germans for 10th-Gen Civic Sedan | Auto Makers content from WardsAuto
Yea, the base platform at the very least won't be a budget platform like the 9th gen Civic. Also, the latter part - AWD capability - is most interesting to me. I wonder if the North American CTR will have AWD based on that.
Honda Benchmarks Germans for 10th-Gen Civic Sedan | Auto Makers content from WardsAuto
Yea, the base platform at the very least won't be a budget platform like the 9th gen Civic. Also, the latter part - AWD capability - is most interesting to me. I wonder if the North American CTR will have AWD based on that.
10-21-2015, 04:31 PM
#4065
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Oh. I thought benchmarking the A3 is a good thing. It's not like there's a diesel variant of it here, is there? I thought they were all gas powered units in NA.
10-21-2015, 05:58 PM
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haha me too....
I don't know JS+BRZ....they already went against the tradition of high rpm NA power, so wouldn't be surprised if they go further and go with AWD!
I don't know JS+BRZ....they already went against the tradition of high rpm NA power, so wouldn't be surprised if they go further and go with AWD!
10-21-2015, 07:00 PM
#4067
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They should keep the CTR FWD, bring back the real S2K RWD, and come up with a new model for Super Duper Freaking AWD.
10-21-2015, 08:34 PM
#4068
Team Owner
You are asking Acura to add more models to the lineup? When was the last time that Acura introduced a NEW model... not a replacement model?
10-21-2015, 11:14 PM
#4069
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They need to put some serious time into making a serious TSX follow up with a potential AWD system. They won't, but they should.
Dump the naming scheme, build a SH-AWD Integra, use real elements from the design elements from the NSX.
I don't get why this is so hard for Honda.
Dump the naming scheme, build a SH-AWD Integra, use real elements from the design elements from the NSX.
I don't get why this is so hard for Honda.
10-22-2015, 06:43 AM
#4070
They need to put some serious time into making a serious TSX follow up with a potential AWD system. They won't, but they should.
Dump the naming scheme, build a SH-AWD Integra, use real elements from the design elements from the NSX.
I don't get why this is so hard for Honda.
Dump the naming scheme, build a SH-AWD Integra, use real elements from the design elements from the NSX.
I don't get why this is so hard for Honda.
Let's share the parts-bin across all models to save money.
they cant stray away from this model.
they will happily build mass movers than an enthusiast car.
10-22-2015, 12:23 PM
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10-22-2015, 01:14 PM
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I guess if you want a high performance FWD Civic, Si will probably be the only choice.....or somehow import the Euro CTR over.
10-22-2015, 05:12 PM
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But Ford is cleverly adding the RS trim to Focus lineup. It's not replacing the ST, it's just adding it.
AWD will make the car more pricey no doubt. It's not a good idea to just abandon the FWD hot hatch market. That segment is booming.
AWD will make the car more pricey no doubt. It's not a good idea to just abandon the FWD hot hatch market. That segment is booming.
10-22-2015, 05:51 PM
#4078
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But the Euro-spec Accord platform was discontinued, apparently to simplify and save money. That killed the TSX and left the new entry level Acura ILX to be built on a Civic platform. For some, the family resemblance was too close and they deemed the ILX unworthy.
Now there's a new Civic built on a new platform, and it outshines the ILX! The 2016 Civic has a wheelbase of 106 inches. Guess what... that's similar to the wheelbase on the old Acura TSX (106.5 inches I think).
In theory, a new ILX built on the new Civic platform should be pretty good, just like the TSX was. Are we coming full circle? But I don't think this will get us back to an Integra though.
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10-22-2015, 06:23 PM
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Including other markets, for each generation of the Focus, there's always a ST trim, and a RS trim. Until this gen, all of the ST and RS trims were FWD.
Likewise, since the 6G Civic, Si/SiR (or other names) and Type R are the two performance variants of the Civic.
With that said, for the 10th gen Civic, there's an Si. I'm not sure in what form it's coming in though (coupe or hatch, or both??).
10-22-2015, 06:56 PM
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Interestingly, the TSX was based on the Euro-spec Accord -- smaller than the US Accord, but larger than the Civic. This at least gave the Acura TSX some separation from Honda.
But the Euro-spec Accord platform was discontinued, apparently to simplify and save money. That killed the TSX and left the new entry level Acura ILX to be built on a Civic platform. For some, the family resemblance was too close and they deemed the ILX unworthy.
Now there's a new Civic built on a new platform, and it outshines the ILX! The 2016 Civic has a wheelbase of 106 inches. Guess what... that's similar to the wheelbase on the old Acura TSX (106.5 inches I think).
In theory, a new ILX built on the new Civic platform should be pretty good, just like the TSX was. Are we coming full circle? But I don't think this will get us back to an Integra though.
But the Euro-spec Accord platform was discontinued, apparently to simplify and save money. That killed the TSX and left the new entry level Acura ILX to be built on a Civic platform. For some, the family resemblance was too close and they deemed the ILX unworthy.
Now there's a new Civic built on a new platform, and it outshines the ILX! The 2016 Civic has a wheelbase of 106 inches. Guess what... that's similar to the wheelbase on the old Acura TSX (106.5 inches I think).
In theory, a new ILX built on the new Civic platform should be pretty good, just like the TSX was. Are we coming full circle? But I don't think this will get us back to an Integra though.
we can only hope the ILX on this new platform will be a winner!
