Notices
Automotive News
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Honda: Civic News

 
Old 04-11-2005, 05:57 PM
  #361  
TMQ
Registered Member
 
TMQ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: North by Northwest
Age: 42
Posts: 607
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
The back looks handsome, a bit similar to the current civic coupe (which looks much better than the sedan).

Corolla is very boring. Mazda 3 on the other hand is great looking.
TMQ is offline  
Old 04-11-2005, 06:02 PM
  #362  
The hair says it all
 
Python2121's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Manhattan, NYC
Age: 32
Posts: 7,566
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
like i said before, i wouldn't TOUCH A corolla, i would take a civic with no question any day in my sleep without fail
Python2121 is offline  
Old 04-11-2005, 08:43 PM
  #363  
101 years of heartache...
 
gocubsgo55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Chicago's North Side/Champaign, IL
Age: 31
Posts: 3,076
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
hopefully that hump on top of the dash near the middle of the interior is for informative purposes other than Instrumentation, I HATE Center Instrument Panels.
gocubsgo55 is offline  
Old 04-12-2005, 12:23 AM
  #364  
Moderator Alumnus
Thread Starter
 
gavriil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Washington DC (NOVA)
Age: 47
Posts: 16,399
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by jts1207
Could this be 06 Accord?

Nah. The rear looks totally like a CIvic.
gavriil is offline  
Old 04-12-2005, 12:45 AM
  #365  
Moderator Alumnus
Thread Starter
 
gavriil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Washington DC (NOVA)
Age: 47
Posts: 16,399
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Fall 2005

Full Model Change: 1.8L SOHC 140hp i-VTEC 4 (R18), 2.0L/200-210hp 6MT (Si), Direct Injection(?), ~3 inches longer and wider than current Civic, retains front McPherson strut susp. Si returns as a Coupe, Si gets "track tuned" suspension, optional navi
Source: http://www.VTEC.net
gavriil is offline  
Old 04-12-2005, 04:56 AM
  #366  
FOUR RINGS
 
1killercls's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Dunedin, Fla.
Posts: 42,888
Liked 1,466 Times in 953 Posts
no thanks.
1killercls is offline  
Old 04-12-2005, 11:15 AM
  #367  
Homeless
 
chef chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Northern DEL-A-Where?
Age: 45
Posts: 9,210
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Mini-maxima
chef chris is offline  
Old 04-12-2005, 11:28 AM
  #368  
Pinky all stinky
 
phile's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 20,499
Liked 118 Times in 71 Posts
Geez, you'd think by now the Civic would at least be at 2.0L standard.
phile is offline  
Old 04-12-2005, 12:43 PM
  #369  
Registered Member
 
biker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Fairfax, VA
Age: 54
Posts: 11,552
Liked 108 Times in 86 Posts
Originally Posted by phile
Geez, you'd think by now the Civic would at least be at 2.0L standard.
Going from 117 to 140HP is a healthy enough jump. I wonder if that DI is for this engine. That would make it the least expensive car with a DI engine. Not a big deal in Europe, where lots of cheap cars have it, but in cost cutting US putting something like that on a sub 20K car would be impressive. The Jetta already has it but that's a more expensive car.
biker is offline  
Old 04-12-2005, 01:10 PM
  #370  
dom
Senior Moderator
 
dom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Toronto, Canada
Age: 42
Posts: 47,711
Liked 797 Times in 659 Posts
That info at Vtec.net is their best guess is is not? If I recall correctly that info has been up on their Model release Matrix for quite some time, long before the new Civic was recently shown.
dom is offline  
Old 04-12-2005, 03:23 PM
  #371  
Cost Drivers!!!!
 
Zapata's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: burbs of philly
Age: 41
Posts: 19,393
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by biker
Going from 117 to 140HP is a healthy enough jump. I wonder if that DI is for this engine. That would make it the least expensive car with a DI engine. Not a big deal in Europe, where lots of cheap cars have it, but in cost cutting US putting something like that on a sub 20K car would be impressive. The Jetta already has it but that's a more expensive car.

ya 140hp is very healthy jump and would really make the car very nice to drive.
Zapata is offline  
Old 04-12-2005, 03:25 PM
  #372  
Pinky all stinky
 
phile's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 20,499
Liked 118 Times in 71 Posts
It depends on where you're measuring it from. The top model EX already has 127hp. 140hp is like a ~10% gain.
phile is offline  
Old 04-12-2005, 05:01 PM
  #373  
101 years of heartache...
 
gocubsgo55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Chicago's North Side/Champaign, IL
Age: 31
Posts: 3,076
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
140 HP is a nice jump indeed.
gocubsgo55 is offline  
Old 04-12-2005, 05:03 PM
  #374  
Cost Drivers!!!!
 
Zapata's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: burbs of philly
Age: 41
Posts: 19,393
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by phile
It depends on where you're measuring it from. The top model EX already has 127hp. 140hp is like a ~10% gain.

yea, true but if the low end model has 140 then
Zapata is offline  
Old 04-12-2005, 09:04 PM
  #375  
That blowed up real good!
 
Weck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Toronto, Canada
Age: 49
Posts: 146
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Leaked info (?)

Here's some '06 Civic info supposedly leaked from the Alliston, Ontario assembly plant (source vtec.net). BTW, the Canadian Si is the American EX.

... my apologies if this is a repost

>>>>>>>>>>

New Civic is to be launceh next September and I finally get some info. Will be 75mm wider (about 3" for people from USA) and almost that much longer wheelbase. In fact wheelbase is just slightly bellow Accord's. Engines are all brand new. Base engine 1.8L and 140hp, for 1.8EL will be 155hp and for SiR will be 2.0L and 200Hp with 6 speed manual. As I said earlier Nissan, Mazda, Mitsu, Toyota and all Americans will be very sorry why they ever start horsepower war. Do I need to say about SULEV status and class leading fuel consamption. Can't wait for new EL. Mine is now over 131,000km and didn't touch anything so far. Great car for money.

We will be building two '06 Civic's on Wed Mar 30th. I'll convey my findings later this week.

Correction, built two, 2 door Civic Si coupes, both 6 speed manuals. One Canadian, one American.

The Canadian Si had rear drum brakes, and a 1.8 engine. Listen carefully! On the engine block it said R18A1. Both cars had XM sat ready radios. Auto climate control. rear suspension is different then current Civic. The shock and coil are separate components now. I had a chance to measure the shifter throw. It came out to 5". Measured from tip of the shifter rod (without the knob) and ran the shifter from 3rd to 4th gear. Tires are P215/45R17. Sorry the exhaust is NOT integrated into the bumper. Standard exhaust pipe. The American Si engine was 2.0 (same series R engine) with a big ass straight alloy intake (like on the S2000) going straight into the head. No bends on that intake! Saw no port injectors. Assume new direct fuel injection. Gas peddel is hinged at the floor. Saw a neat button that allows the driver to switch between MPH or KPH. American Si gets rear disk brakes. And no there not Brembo Brakes.

----

I'm only conveying what I saw. I'm positive the two cars were Si's (saw Si badge on both cars). I checked the asssembly sheet, One Canadian, one American. I can honestly say I didn't see the engine code on the American Si 2.0 because I had management all around me and people trying to put parts on the car. Also, the massive intake was in the way (I'll have a better look today). I did clearly see the R18A1 on the Canadian Si. However looking at the size of the engine head it does look like the Canadian Si is a SOHC (90% sure). Unless you're right about them building a Si R for Canada. Don't forget we the workers at Honda are 'mushrooms' (kept in the dark and covered in ****).

Another interesting point, the engine exhaust on the USA Si is towards the firewall. On the CA Si the exhaust is at the front toward the radiator. And yes it only looks like the exhaust manifold is integrated into the head but it isn't. I saw the bolts from the exhaust manifold to the head. Strange thing the exhaust manifold is a alloy not steel. At first I thought it was the intake but then I saw the O2 sensors at the catylitic which is just below the exhaust manifold. Just like ot the current Civic's.

I have no info on " if " our plant will be building the Hybrid Civic.

In any event I'll have many hours today to play with one of recently built Si's.

----

All I can say about the EL is that it will be 200 HP. A person working directly on the new model El / Civic told me 180 and 200. So it looks like the El might be getting two motor options.

Which would make sense. In the past americans get the Civic EX with VTEC motors. Canada never got the EX Civic with VTEC. If you wanted the American EX motor you would have to buy the Acura EL. I think the previous poster, Jeff, mentioned that.

From what I saw of the EL, it's moving upscale. Nice entertainment system in it! It had AM FM CD DVD 5.1 (WITH SUB) NAVI, XM SAt ready and the sceen folds down to reveil a MP3 player and drives for the DVD and CD players! Not sure if it will play movie DVD's or if it's just the drive for the NAVI mapping software.

----

Strange indeed. The EL I saw had paddle shifters just behind the steering wheel. Do you think they would put these shifters in a car that wasn't going to have some serious performance behind it. The new Audi A3 Sportback which is coming to Canada this May will have V6 and paddle shifters but that version won't come here until 2007. I had the opportunity to drive the new A3 Sportback on Germany's autobahn....fantastic car! That will be another serious competiter to Honda's new Civic! In 2007 as well we MAY be getting the BMW 1 Series which may be a contender to the Civic. The thing that will seperate the two will be price.

----

Honda does not tell us anything. we build the cars and it is more or less up to the employee to figure out the specs of the car based on personal knowledge of cars and mechanics.

Your right. Different regions of the world do get different engines. I found in Europe the engine displacement to be smaller and thats do to the fact that fuel is VERY expensive. It doesn't make sense. North America gets powerful cars but the speed limits here are a joke. Where as most of the western European countries get low power cars but they have higher speed limits AND better roads. Italy just increased there autostrada limits to 150kph and 'most' of the autobahn in Germany is unlimited. I don't understand it

I would love to get a Civic diesel in Canada. It's available in Europe. Loads of torque!

Currently in Canada the EL is only available as a 4 door sedan (North America), saloon (British), limousine (Germany) I'm not sure what you call it in Asia.

I have a friend a Honda Head office in Toronto tell me a year ago that the EL was going to be 200HP. So far everything he did tell me about the car I've seen on the new EL we have. Only time will tell...

----

I'll have time to go over the car later today. Sorry no dash mounted shifter. The shifter is actually mounted on the parking brake assembly which is mounted to the floor.

----

Oh, I forgot. The dash is really, well, long and round. Hard to explain. There are two instrument displays. One closest to the steering wheel displays the tach and then another hump protrudes from the dash close to the front window which displays the speedo, which is digital. We had no power to the car. Maybe today.

----

I had a closer look at the new Si yesterday. velour seats on both. No power steering pump so I assume electric. Side curtains. Both engines are r series. My source at head office told me today the press vehicles are coming within the next month.
Weck is offline  
Old 04-12-2005, 10:11 PM
  #376  
fap fap fap
 
Infamous425's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Kirkland
Age: 38
Posts: 4,239
Liked 7 Times in 7 Posts
so ... the acura EL will be as fast or faster than a TSX ?
Infamous425 is offline  
Old 04-12-2005, 11:05 PM
  #377  
styling on you
 
SeCsTaC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Los Angeles, California
Age: 29
Posts: 5,275
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 1 Post
Isn't the TSX getting a refresh next year? Hopefully that includes a power bump
SeCsTaC is offline  
Old 04-13-2005, 12:20 AM
  #378  
Pinky all stinky
 
phile's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 20,499
Liked 118 Times in 71 Posts
The EL has no choice but to move upscale. Acura must rely on it for its Canadian sales, but at the same time, it cannot continue to erode the Acura image as being just a nicer Civic. At least with 200hp, it could be at the level of the RSX.
phile is offline  
Old 04-13-2005, 02:32 AM
  #379  
Registered Member
 
biker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Fairfax, VA
Age: 54
Posts: 11,552
Liked 108 Times in 86 Posts
You'd think Honda could at least spring for rear disk brakes! The double hump has been verified in the pics before. I though the idea of a digital speedo was killed years ago. People prefer a sweeping needle. If they keep the weight down to 28-2900 lbs, then yes the EL will be faster than a TSX, but that's only a Canadian thing. Like now, you'll probably have the 155HP engine in the top of the line EX in the US and 140HP engine in the rest of the line up - they might even drop the DX. Those buyers will have to step down to the Fit next year.
biker is offline  
Old 04-13-2005, 05:28 AM
  #380  
MSZ
Lola
 
MSZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Toronto
Age: 37
Posts: 3,785
Liked 157 Times in 99 Posts
Originally Posted by Infamous425
so ... the acura EL will be as fast or faster than a TSX ?
RSX should be dead in a year or two. TSX should have a HP upgrade in a year or two as well.
MSZ is offline  
Old 04-13-2005, 05:30 PM
  #381  
Administrator
iTrader: (1)
 
Sly Raskal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Fontana, California
Age: 42
Posts: 30,994
Liked 581 Times in 345 Posts
yea it's probably going for the euro market.

either way, not a fan
Sly Raskal is offline  
Old 04-13-2005, 07:48 PM
  #382  
fap fap fap
 
Infamous425's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Kirkland
Age: 38
Posts: 4,239
Liked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Originally Posted by MSZ
RSX should be dead in a year or two. TSX should have a HP upgrade in a year or two as well.

yeah but if i owned a tsx now i'd be pissed if i got smoked by an acura civic
Infamous425 is offline  
Old 04-13-2005, 07:49 PM
  #383  
fap fap fap
 
Infamous425's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Kirkland
Age: 38
Posts: 4,239
Liked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Originally Posted by biker
If they keep the weight down to 28-2900 lbs, then yes the EL will be faster than a TSX, but that's only a Canadian thing.
yeah but around here ive seen quite a few imported EL's
Infamous425 is offline  
Old 04-13-2005, 09:20 PM
  #384  
MSZ
Lola
 
MSZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Toronto
Age: 37
Posts: 3,785
Liked 157 Times in 99 Posts
Originally Posted by Infamous425
yeah but if i owned a tsx now i'd be pissed if i got smoked by an acura civic
I have a TSX.

There are a lot of cars out there faster than TSX. Most people who bought TSX aren't for straight-line performance.
MSZ is offline  
Old 04-17-2005, 11:24 AM
  #385  
go like hell
 
Water-S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Anna,OH(home of the honda/acura motors)
Age: 37
Posts: 5,154
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by LiQiCE
Looks to be pictures of the Civic Hatchback, or perhaps the CRX?



More Spyshot Pics
if the CRX is brought back or a sporty version of a hatchback I'll be first in line for one. .
but you gotta remember i got a 89 Si CRX with a blown now mildly built D series motor(dynoed at 125 wheel hp),full roll cage with camera bracket,coil overs,short throw shifter, DC sport headers,CAI, cherry bomb exhaust, lightweight rims, racing tires, MSD igition box, the interior gutted weighs about 2100 or 2200 lbs.2 sparco seats with 5 point harnesses. racing tach with tach light,and speedometer.
I was concidering dropping a spoon B18C5 motor in it but i might just wait since this is maybe coming out.) only thing is my buddy wants me to put in that B18C5 because he said on street tires i should put down low 13s maybe high 12's in the 1/4 mile.
Water-S is offline  
Old 04-18-2005, 08:25 AM
  #386  
dom
Senior Moderator
 
dom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Toronto, Canada
Age: 42
Posts: 47,711
Liked 797 Times in 659 Posts
If the EL has 200HP this petty much guarantee's a HP bump for the 06 TSX which is great news.
dom is offline  
Old 04-18-2005, 03:17 PM
  #387  
I'm the Firestarter
 
Belzebutt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 11,297
Liked 335 Times in 205 Posts
CRX sounds like an appropriate name for an Acura...
Belzebutt is offline  
Old 04-22-2005, 08:39 AM
  #388  
Registered Member
iTrader: (1)
 
CGTSX2004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Beach Cities, CA
Posts: 24,300
Liked 378 Times in 198 Posts
Honda Civic GX News **Limited Retail Sales of Natural Gas Powered Model Begin (p1)**

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=348667

They've also included a leased home fueling station with the car made by a company called Fuel Maker.

For a city car, this thing might be really good, but its limited range sort of limits its usability. Also, currently it is only available in Cali.
CGTSX2004 is offline  
Old 04-22-2005, 11:31 AM
  #389  
The sizzle in the Steak
 
Moog-Type-S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Southern California
Posts: 71,438
Liked 1,876 Times in 1,296 Posts
Moog-Type-S is offline  
Old 04-22-2005, 12:26 PM
  #390  
_____ like a rabbit
 
stangg172004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Edgewater, Chicago, IL
Age: 31
Posts: 8,596
Liked 12 Times in 10 Posts
Havent they been selling them for a while? I saw an interview on tv like 2 years ago about these nuns that use cng cars to get around...
stangg172004 is offline  
Old 04-22-2005, 01:24 PM
  #391  
Fahrvergnügen'd
 
charliemike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Maryland
Age: 47
Posts: 13,101
Liked 1,392 Times in 865 Posts
200 miles on a tank? I get that now in my Mazda 3.
charliemike is offline  
Old 04-22-2005, 02:25 PM
  #392  
Registered Member
iTrader: (1)
 
CGTSX2004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Beach Cities, CA
Posts: 24,300
Liked 378 Times in 198 Posts
Originally Posted by stangg172004
Havent they been selling them for a while? I saw an interview on tv like 2 years ago about these nuns that use cng cars to get around...
Prior sales were limited to fleet sales for organizations that had access to CNG fueling stations and a handful of private buyers willing to risk getting caught without a fueling station.

This is the first real attempt to retail to the general public.
CGTSX2004 is offline  
Old 04-22-2005, 03:20 PM
  #393  
The hair says it all
 
Python2121's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Manhattan, NYC
Age: 32
Posts: 7,566
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
in new delhi all of the busses and autorickshaws are cng because pollution a few years ago was absolutly insane

Last edited by Python2121; 04-22-2005 at 03:22 PM.
Python2121 is offline  
Old 04-23-2005, 03:53 PM
  #394  
Registered Member
 
biker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Fairfax, VA
Age: 54
Posts: 11,552
Liked 108 Times in 86 Posts
Like the hybrid craze, this thing won't work unless the economics makes sense. While they may advertize the lowest cost/mile using natural gas, as soon as you factor in the $50/mo for leasing of filling station and that the GX is about 3-4K more than a regular Civic the savings go out the window. Yes it makes sense for fleet operators - not yet for regular consumers unless you're a real die hard tree hugger that uses the HOV lanes a lot.
biker is offline  
Old 04-23-2005, 04:11 PM
  #395  
Senior Moderator
 
Ken1997TL's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Better Neighborhood, Arizona
Posts: 45,445
Liked 2,153 Times in 1,229 Posts
3 things need to happen before this will "work" for the majority:

1) Improved range, 200 miles just doesnt cut it
2) Cheaper/quicker refuelling at home
3) Gas Stations that support such a thing. Most stations that DO have natural gas, do so on a business payment plan, not individual purchases from one time consumers.
Ken1997TL is offline  
Old 05-12-2005, 06:21 PM
  #396  
Moderator Alumnus
Thread Starter
 
gavriil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Washington DC (NOVA)
Age: 47
Posts: 16,399
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts


Source: Autoweek Forums
gavriil is offline  
Old 05-12-2005, 06:57 PM
  #397  
The Oracle of Acurazine!
 
Teh Jatt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Fresno, CA
Age: 35
Posts: 28,699
Liked 26 Times in 8 Posts
wow that looks nice.............
Teh Jatt is offline  
Old 05-12-2005, 06:59 PM
  #398  
Pit Stop?
 
Minch00's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Orlando FL
Age: 33
Posts: 13,526
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by Teh Jatt
wow that looks nice.............

And blurry. And small.
Minch00 is offline  
Old 05-12-2005, 07:02 PM
  #399  
The Oracle of Acurazine!
 
Teh Jatt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Fresno, CA
Age: 35
Posts: 28,699
Liked 26 Times in 8 Posts
Teh Jatt is offline  
Old 05-12-2005, 07:06 PM
  #400  
Pit Stop?
 
Minch00's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Orlando FL
Age: 33
Posts: 13,526
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by Teh Jatt

Nice. Give me a turbo and AWD with navi and HIDs and I'm so there.
Minch00 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: Honda: Civic News


Contact Us - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.