phile

Corolla's been a joke for the longest time. I have no idea why people that car. I mean obviously it's a Toyota, but really, other than that, it's at least 2 generations behind the Civic.

Moog-Type-S

^^ There is a market for boring appliance vehicles like the Corolla and the Civic.

dom

I don't think people in this thread are the ones that need to be convinced.

8th gen on the left, 9th on the right.

SSFTSX

To be fair. Civic will achieve best in class Fuel economy in real driving. It has near best in class rear leg room. all Achieving without increase in price.
Upgraded navigation system. Infact EX-L price has decreased.
Now look at 1G TSX to 2G TSX price increase over 5 year period. without adding new engine/transmission or anything new tech.
There is more functionality in I-M display (Consider it as Cheaper HUD) and Steering wheel button of new Civic over Old Civic. New Civic is definit improvement. Car is more refined.


http://www.windingroad.com/articles/...2-honda-civic/
Honda has taken the basic placement of the speedometer from the last model (right under the windscreen, and conveniently inside of your forward field of vision), adding in a new display that should allow you to keep your eyes on the road. Dubbed Intelligent Multi-Information Display or IMID, this five-inch screen allows for unbroken concentration on driving while operating the basic systems of the car. The IMID screen shows audio controls, phone information, turn-by-turn directions in navigation-equipped cars, fuel economy/range information, and more
Of course, having a multifaceted display handily inside of one’s field of vision doesn’t do a lick of good if the controls for it are hard to use, or badly placed. The Civic makes use of its new steering wheel to solve that issue, with two thumb-operable switches. These switches will be pretty immediately comprehensible to anyone who has ever used a video game system (pretty large demographic there, and getting larger), as they offer up/down, left/right functionality that mimics the ubiquitous “D-pad” of game controllers. With just a few other buttons surrounding these switches on the steering wheel, we were able to quickly and simply make or way through most of the Civic’s critical system menus, all without looking down, or taking our hands off of the wheel.
Other than being a bit boomy when accelerating hard, the new Civic is really nicely sorted for NVH, with a really quite cruising speed ride. Wind, tire, transmission, and engine noises are all kept in check

SSFTSX

Ruby

the corolla is wayyy more boring to drive than a civic. The Civic at least has an engaging shifting with rigid body structure making it fun to drive. The corolla is about as vanilla boring as new cars get.

TSX69

Many Changes, Some Disappointments

The Civic compact is so important to Honda that it’s peculiar the car didn’t get some expected features and functions in its redesign for the 2012 model year.

Examples: No backup camera. No 6-speed automatic transmission or manual-shift mode. No heated rear seats. All are available on the recently redesigned Hyundai Elantra, a standard-setter among mainstream compacts.

Even though Civic’s probably better, more satisfying overall than Elantra, Civic will look inferior on paper or in pixels to people who comparison-shop using brochures and online sites.

The Civic line has so many versions that it’s almost a brand unto itself.

The 2012 Civic sedan, coupe, HF fuel-efficiency special and the gas-electric hybrid went on sale Wednesday. The high-performance Si sedan and coupe go on sale May 24. A natural-gas-fueled model is coming this fall.

The mileage-enhanced models had a pleasant and an unpleasant surprise.

•The HF high-mileage gas car uses the same engine and automatic transmission as the conventional cars, so it performs the same. You have no sense you’re missing some performance for the sake of mileage.

•The gas-electric hybrid is chockablock with improvements, from smaller, lighter battery pack to more power from the engine/motor combo. But a consistent annoyance of hybrids remains, and even seems worse: the shudder that travels in rough waves through the car when the gasoline engine restarts after shutting off temporarily to save fuel.

We drove versions of all models, save the natural gas model.

Highlights:

•Instrument panel. Supposed to be 3-D-like. But big, flat, round gauges are better. You might like the gee-whiz factor, though.

•Noise. All models seemed to kick an unusual amount of noise into the passenger compartment; tire noise on coarse roads and suspension bump-thunks on even small bumps.

•Looks. Interesting, jazzy enough to seem new, restrained enough to wear well over time.

•Sportiness. Long a Civic selling point. Not a sports sedan, but crisper, more fun, than many rivals. Still seems so.

•Seats. Fronts, too much lumbar lump. Rears, not bad; just keep in mind it’s still a compact car, not a big sedan.

•Performance. The 201-hp Si engine has a lot more torque than previously, and a light-touch clutch mechanism, so stop-and-slog driving’s easy. Base engine, 140-hp, usually is strong enough. But high-speed highway driving can make it feel and sound taxed. 5-speed automatic shifts great under hard throttle, but sometimes hunts, jerks in lower-speed, go-slow-go-again driving.

Favorite among drivetrain features is 1 you don’t notice: skid control. It blends so smoothly with your own steering efforts that — unlike the obvious and unpleasant intrusion on most cars — it’s unnoticed until the next step in your car-control repertoire is, “Hail, Mary ….”

Civic is a solid, laudable update of a classy compact, undercut by missing features, road noises, hybrid shudders and strained-feeling gas engine.

2012 HONDA CIVIC

•What? Redesign of the popular, front-drive, 5-passenger compact.

Available as (ready?): Mainstream 4-door sedan, mainstream coupe, gasoline-electric hybrid sedan, HF high-gas-mileage sedan, high-performance Si sedan and Si coupe, and, this fall, a natural-gas-fueled version. What, no station wagon or pickup?

Most models available with 5-speed manual or 5-speed automatic transmission. HF and hybrid, automatic only. Si, 6-speed manual only.

•When? Sedan, coupe, HF and hybrid went on sale Wednesday. Si versions, May 24. Natural gas version coming this fall.

•How powerful? Mainstream and HF models have 1.8-liter 4-cylinder rated 140 horsepower at 6,500 rpm, 128 pounds-feet of torque at 4,300.

Hybrid has 1.5-liter 4 gas engine and electric motor, which rate a combined 110 hp, 127 lbs.-ft.

Si has 2.4-liter 4, 201 hp at 7,000, 170 lbs.-ft. at 4,400.

•How big? Sedan is 177.3 inches long, 69 in. wide, 56.5 in. tall on a 105.1-in. wheelbase. Coupe: 175.5 in. long, 69 in. wide, 55 in. tall, on 103.2-in. wheelbase.

Weights vary from 2,608 to 2,895 lbs. depending on model and equipment.

•How thirsty? Mainstream sedans, coupes rated 28 miles per gallon in town, 39 mpg highway, 32 mpg in combined use (automatic transmission) or 28/36/31 (manual). HF: 29/41/33. Hybrid: 44/44/44. Si: 22/31/25.

Test-car trip computers showed:

Sedan, automatic: 34.2 mpg (2.92 gallons per 100 miles) in fast highway driving, and 27.1 mpg (3.69 gal/100 mi) in suburban use.

HF sedan: 29.5 mpg in mix of suburban/highway use.

Hybrid: 37.5 mpg (2.67 gal/100 mi) suburban/highway. Si: 29.1 mpg (3.43 gal/100 mi) in suburban use.

Burns regular; holds 13.2 gallons.

•Overall: Nice car, could have been nicer.

Legend2TL

That's impressive they've kept the weight, that seems to be getting more difficult to accomplish. The Jetta and Cruize are heavy for this class.

TSX69 thanks for all the review postings

Legend2TL

To me the Civic was heading into the appliance direction over the 6th and 7th generations. The 8th generation reversed that trend and moved the Civic back to more a sporty sedan. My mom had a 7G Civic and my brother has a 8G and they are very different in styling. The difference in driving is not as extreme as the styling but one thing I still marvel at my brother's 2007 Civic is far quieter than my 2005 TL. My only complaint is Hond adoesn't put a 6MT in the non-Si models.

TSX69

2012 Honda Civic Natural Gas Represents Proven Alternative

America’s only manufacturer-built natural gas passenger car provides a stylish and viable alternative to gasoline and electric vehicles

The all-new 2012 Honda Civic Natural Gas leverages the style and refinement of the Civic Sedan with the wide-ranging environmental and historical operational cost advantages of a vehicle run exclusively on compressed natural gas (CNG).

“The Civic Natural Gas builds on the company’s 15-year legacy of offering viable, alternative fuel-powered vehicles by adding popular features and expanding its retail availability,” said John Mendel, executive vice president of American Honda Motor Co., Inc. “Inherently clean-burning natural gas has a proven track record as an extremely low-emission, domestically produced transportation fuel. The new Civic Natural Gas makes it even more convenient to tap into this desirable and abundant resource.”

The Civic Natural Gas (formerly named Civic GX) has been offered to fleet customers nationwide since the 1998 model year. Since 2005 it has also been marketed to retail customers starting in California, and then later in New York, Utah and Oklahoma. For 2012, the Civic Natural Gas is poised to broaden retail access as it becomes available nationwide1 through qualified Honda dealers.

Multiple benefits exist to using natural gas as a vehicle fuel. From a value standpoint, natural gas has historically cost about 30% less per gasoline-gallon-equivalent compared to gasoline when purchased at public fueling stations. As an alternative fuel vehicle with extremely low smog-forming emissions, the Civic Natural Gas currently qualifies for a state-issued decal allowing single-occupant access to high-occupancy vehicle (HOV) “carpool” lanes in California and several other states.

For 2012, the Civic Natural Gas receives enhanced feature content found in the other all-new Civic models. The new “intelligent” Multi-Information Display (i-MID) provides a convenient platform for integration of vehicle information and compatible personal electronics with a driver-oriented 5-inch color LCD display and intuitive steering wheel controls. Bluetooth® HandsFreeLink® for compatible mobile phones and a USB audio interface for compatible music players are also standard.

For the 1st time ever, the Honda Satellite-Linked Navigation with voice recognition and FM Traffic is available in the Civic Natural Gas. The navigation system database uniquely includes retail fueling locations for CNG.

A CNG-version of the same 1.8-liter, 4-cylinder engine found in the Civic Sedan and Coupe models powers the Civic Natural Gas. A 5-speed automatic transmission is standard equipment. The Civic Natural Gas has a Honda-estimated city/highway/combined fuel economy rating2 of 27/38/31 miles per gallon (gasoline-gallon equivalent). Compared to the 2011 model, city fuel economy improves by 12.5%, and highway fuel economy is up by 5.5%. The Civic Natural Gas includes Honda’s ECO Assist™ technology, an innovation that can enhance efficient vehicle operation at the touch of a button while also providing visual feedback to promote and confirm an efficient driving style.

The Civic Natural Gas engine incorporates unique features to operate exclusively on CNG. The compression ratio increases to 12.7:1, compared to 10.6:1 in the Civic Sedan’s gasoline-powered engine. Exclusive fuel injectors, intake and exhaust valves, and valve seats accommodate the unique properties of natural gas. Stronger connecting rods and special pistons are used in consideration of the higher compression ratio.

The Civic Natural Gas has its 3600 p.s.i. fuel tank located between the rear wheels. The safety-engineered aluminum-lined composite fuel tank can contain the gasoline-gallon equivalent (GGE) of 7.8 gallons of gasoline when filled to 3600 p.s.i. with CNG.

Designed with a sleek windshield rake, a sweeping roofline and a new interpretation of the previous model’s “1-motion” profile, the lines of the 2012 Civic Natural Gas suggest a sophisticated and athletic appearance. A low and wide stance contributes to a distinctive visual presence, while thinner A-pillars stretch further toward the front of the vehicle than before to improve visibility and the perception of interior space. The C-pillars also stretch further toward the rear of the vehicle compared to the previous generation to better complete the flowing 1-motion appearance. Aerodynamic features such as flat under-body construction and functional aerodynamic strakes in front of the tires help to increase fuel-efficiency.

The redesigned interior offers more style with new functionality and new features. An intuitive “2-tier” layout prioritizes frequently referenced instruments like the speedometer up high in the driver’s line of sight with less frequently referenced information positioned down lower. The i-MID can present audio information including album artwork, custom vehicle settings, and personal wallpaper backgrounds. A four-speaker AM/FM/CD audio system is standard, and it can stream music wirelessly via a Bluetooth connection with a compatible player, or via a wired USB connection. A Bluetooth HandsFreeLink system offers convenient device pairing and lets the driver make calls using pre-assigned voice tags and steering wheel controls.

Building on the successful packaging of the previous generation, the passenger volume of 94.7 cubic feet increases by 3.7 cubic feet, and gains have also been made in front shoulder room (+2.9 inches).

The 2012 Civic embraces Honda’s tradition of making its vehicles fun to drive by continuing to use a fully independent suspension design, a premium and exceptional feature in the entry compact segment. The front MacPherson strut and rear multi-link suspensions are tuned for sporty driving fun, yet provide refined ride comfort.

For safety, a wide variety of standard equipment includes Honda’s exclusive Advanced Compatibility Engineering™ (ACE™) body structure for enhanced frontal collision energy management and vehicle-to-vehicle crash compatibility. ACE enhances frontal collision energy management through a network of load bearing structures in the front of the vehicle. Standard safety equipment includes VSA that integrates with the new Motion-Adaptive EPS system; dual-stage, multiple-threshold front airbags; front side airbags with occupant position detection system (OPDS); side curtain airbags; and a 4-channel anti-lock braking system (ABS) with Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD) and Brake Assist.

The Civic Natural Gas engine produces almost 0 smog-forming emissions and is the cleanest internal-combustion vehicle certified by the EPA (Tier-II, Bin-2 and ILEV certification as of August 2010). It is also recognized by the state of California as an Advanced Technology Partial 0 Emissions Vehicle (AT-PZEV) by meeting SULEV standards and maintaining its emissions durability for at least 150,000 miles or 15 Years. The American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy (ACEEE) named the 2011 Civic GX “America’s Greenest Vehicle” for the 8th time in its Green Book® ranking of environmentally responsible vehicles.

All Civic Natural Gas models are produced at Honda Manufacturing of Indiana (HMIN) from domestic and globally sourced parts. The 2012 Honda Civic is covered by a 3-year/36,000-mile new car limited Warranty, a 5-year/60,000-mile powertrain limited warranty, and a 5-year/unlimited-mile corrosion limited warranty.

1 Nationwide, in states that have sufficient CNG stations within close proximity to authorized Civic Natural Gas dealers.
2 Preliminary mileage estimates determined by Honda. Final EPA mileage estimates not available at the time of printing. Use for comparison purposes only. Your actual mileage will vary depending on how you drive and maintain your vehicle.

biker

That's nice, but like the hybrid, the fuel cost savings of CNG don't make up for the increased up front cost over the typical ownership period - especially with the need for the $3K PHIL station at the house.

TSX69

Reasons "Y" Civic Should be #1

The new 9th-generation 2012 Honda Civic has come out swinging in defence of its title as the best-selling car in Canada. The wily 13-year (consecutive) compact car champ has adjusted its marketing style to land some unexpected body blows that its new challengers may not have expected.

A price of just $14,990 for the new base Civic DX is $2,000 below the list price of the same 2010 edition, and it comes with $600 worth of additional equipment. The great value story continues throughout the entire 2012 Civic lineup with savings as high as $3,590 on the new Si Sedan.

Civic owners are typically young, or “young at heart,” according to Honda. They range from high school graduates to professionals to performance enthusiasts, but it’s the younger “Gen Y” (under-35) buyer who Honda is most concerned about losing. Affordability, fuel economy, style and performance are key ingredients to getting and keeping this buyer in the Honda fold.

In addition to the value story, improvements to the new Civic include refinements throughout the car that increase fuel economy and enhancements to performance, ride and interior packaging. New electronic interactive technologies also provide added convenience and a new level of personalization.

The 2012 Civic comes in four completely redesigned models. In addition to the ever-popular Civic Sedan, there’s an even more fuel-efficient Civic Hybrid edition (out later this year), a Civic Coupe, plus the performance-orientated Civic Si Coupe and Civic Si Sedan.

Honda calls the new look of Civic a “mono-form” design, with clean, flowing lines. The changes are not as dramatic as previous remakes of the Civic, but do include a more angular front fascia, and a mesh grille. Slimmer “A” pillars support its tapered roofline. It also has some concealed aerodynamic features, which include a flatter under-carriage.

Although the same overall length as the current generation Civic, the design changes also help create a slightly roomier interior, especially for rearseat passengers. Inner changes also include a restyled version of Civic’s unique 2-tier instrument panel layout. It now includes a new “smart interface” in upper instrument display with a 5-inch colour screen that displays vehicle and audio information.

Honda calls it an intelligent Multi-Information Display (i-MID) and it comes in all models except Civic DX. Other new available technology features include a USB/audio interface, a Bluetooth hands-free link and a satellite navigation system. For the 1st time on any non-hybrid Honda, an Eco Assist feature comes with all Civic models except Si.

The 1.8-litre, 140 horsepower engine in the standard Civic has been re-engineered to provide better fuel economy. A refined version of the previous engine with changes that reduce friction, improve emissions performance and increase fuel economy. As before, it comes with a 5-speed manual (except EX-L) or an optional 5-speed automatic transmission (except DX).

An interesting new feature that’s in all Civics is a Motion Adaptive Electric Power Steering system that helps a driver to correct an over-steer or under-steer skid situation. Linked to the standard electronic stability control system, it boosts assist in the direction it wants the driver to turn the wheel and simultaneously reduces assist in the opposite direction.

The Si models come with a new, bigger and more powerful 2.4-litre engine and it also touts improved fuel economy. It’s the most powerful engine Honda has ever put in a Civic and it uses a high-performance version of the i-VTEC system plus a specially tuned high-volume intake manifold.

A big change in Civic Hybrid is a switch to a new Lithium-Ion battery that’s more powerful, lighter and more compact than the current nickel-metal hydride battery.

As before, the new-generation of the Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) system uses a gasoline engine as the primary power source and an electric motor provides additional power and electricity regeneration capability.

The Civic-value story has always gone beyond its initial purchase, as buyers also get a vehicle with a stellar reliability record and excellent resale price retention. A key factor has been Honda Canada’s focus on retail sales, at the expense of high-volume discounted fleet sales.

Honda has sold more that 1.6 million Civics in Canada since its arrival here 38 years ago. Equally impressive is that it’s estimated that close to a million are still on the road.

Bob McHugh (drivingwheel@shaw.ca) is a freelance automotive journalist, writing on behalf of BCAA.

Costco

Wait... the Hyundai Elantra has a back up camera and heated rear seats available??? That's crazy, never knew compacts had options like that these days.

Moog-Type-S

Wow...looks like a minor mid-model cycle refresh at best.

Sure it's 80% new....but it sure looks like 15% new.

biker

^ That 80% new stat is just some made up number - most folks would consider the drivetrain a lot more than the 10% of the car - the number Honda came up with. Honda can claim any number it wants but the vast majority of the buying public will think it hasn't changed much - not that that is a bad thing.

TSX69

2012 Honda Civic Coupe

Vehicle Highlights
The 2012 Honda Civic Coupe is redesigned with freshened styling and slightly more power for its high-performance model. In addition to a 2-door coupe, these compact cars also come as 4-door sedans, a gas/electric hybrid sedan, and a sedan that runs on compressed natural gas (CNG) (see separate reports). Coupes come in DX, LX, EX, EX-L, and Si trims. Non-Si models use a 140-horsepower 1.8-liter 4-cylinder engine. DX, LX, and EX models offer a choice of a 5-speed manual or 5-speed automatic transmission. EX-L and EX models equipped with a navigation system are available only with the automatic. The Si gets a new 201-horsepower 2.4-liter 4-cylinder engine that teams with a mandatory 6-speed manual transmission. This engine replaces a 197-horsepower 2.0-liter 4-cylinder. Safety features include ABS, traction control, antiskid system, curtain-side airbags, and front-side airbags. Available Civic features include a navigation system, leather upholstery, heated front seats, and a wireless cell-phone link. This evaluation is based on preview test drives.

Our road test for the 2012 Honda Civic Coupe includes a full evaluation of the 2012 Honda Civic Coupe from the inside out. We evaluate not only engine and handling performance for the 2012 Honda Civic Coupe, but also interior cabin and cargo space. Let our comprehensive road test ratings for the 2012 Honda Civic Coupe help you decide if a 2012 Honda Civic Coupe is right for you.

ACCELERATION
LX, manual EX-L w/navigation Si Class Average
5 5 7 5

With either transmission, 140-horsepower Civics accelerate leisurely away from a stop, but have adequate power around town and for highway merging and passing. The automatic is especially alert to throttle inputs. The manual has crisp shifter action and a smooth, easy-to-modulate clutch. Slick-shifting Si models offer snappy acceleration, particularly at high rpm. All except for the Si include an "ECON Mode" button that alters throttle response, automatic-transmission shift points, and air-conditioning settings for improved fuel economy.

FUEL ECONOMY
LX, manual EX-L w/navigation Si Class Average
8 8 7 7.6

No opportunity to measure. Si requires premium-grade gas. Other Civics use regular.

RIDE QUALITY
LX, manual EX-L w/navigation Si Class Average
6 6 4 5.6

Coupes take bumps in stride, with good absorbency and little float or wallow. LX and EX versions are especially stable at highway speeds. Si has a sport suspension and 17-inch tires that cause a stiffer ride, but it's never jarring.

STEERING/HANDLING/BRAKING
LX, manual EX-L w/navigation Si Class Average
6 6 7 5.9

Non-Si versions could use more grip in fast turns, but they feel reassuringly responsive and composed in most changes of direction. Steering feel is linear and well-balanced. Agile Si models corner tenaciously, though they suffer slight torque-steer. All Civics have fine straight-line stability, plus effective stopping control with good brake-pedal modulation.

QUIETNESS
LX, manual EX-L w/navigation Si Class Average
6 6 4 5.3

Non-Si models are near the top of the class in suppression of road and wind ruckus, although Civic coupes aren't quite as isolated from these noises as the sedans. The 140-horsepower engine cruises quietly but can be noisy in fast acceleration. The Si has slightly more road noise and an intentionally louder, more-aggressive exhaust sound that is race-car invigorating, particularly at high rpm.

CONTROLS
LX, manual EX-L w/navigation Si Class Average
6 5 6 6

Civic's 2-tier instrument panel places an analog tachometer ahead of the driver and separately housed digital speedometer directly above. Though it can take some getting used to, the design works well overall. The speedometer's digits are in the driver's line of sight for viewing without taking focus off the road; all but the Si include an "ECO Assist" light-bar readout that glows green when the vehicle is being driven efficiently. Climate and audio controls are within easy reach. All except the DX include a handy "Intelligent Multi-Information Display" screen that allows the driver to cycle through various audio-system, fuel-economy, and vehicle-info readouts via steering-wheel-mounted buttons. The navigation system takes time to master, has undersized buttons, and absorbs too many audio functions. Both the navigation screen and upper instrument panel can be difficult to read in bright daylight conditions.

DETAILS
LX, manual EX-L w/navigation Si Class Average
6 6 6 6

Controls move with smooth precision. Civic's cabin materials are a pleasant mix of quality plastics and fabrics; solid assembly and durability are emphasized over plushness or ambiance-enhancing accents. EX and EX-L have slightly richer trim, making the interior feel a bit more upmarket. Si has racier gauge graphics and sportier trim that effectively convey its performance mission.

ROOM/COMFORT/DRIVER SEATING (FRONT)
LX, manual EX-L w/navigation Si Class Average
5 5 5 6.1

A standard tilt and telescopic steering wheel and height-adjustable driver seat help tailor an accommodating driving position. The seats astutely blend support and comfort. Si's seats are further bolstered for a glued-in-place feel during fast cornering. Tall occupants have no excess headroom, especially beneath the sunroof housing. Forward visibility is good overall, though the long dashtop shelf and sloping nose can complicate judging distance in close quarters. Some sunlight conditions trigger annoying reflections in the windshield and rear window.

ROOM/COMFORT (REAR)
LX, manual EX-L w/navigation Si Class Average
2 2 2 4

The Civic coupe's small, difficult-to-access rear seat is best left to children.

CARGO ROOM
LX, manual EX-L w/navigation Si Class Average
3 3 3 3.9

A wide, tall trunk with a generous opening and low liftover highlight Civic's cargo area. However, the sickle-type trunklid hinges intrude. Coupes have slightly less volume than sedans, but they're still quite spacious for the compact-car class. All coupes have a folding rear seat back, but only EX, EX-L, and Si models offer 60/40 split folding functionality. Interior small-items storage is generous, with a good-sized glovebox, console bins, and door pockets.

VALUE WITHIN CLASS
LX, manual EX-L w/navigation Si Class Average
9 9 7 7.4

The redesigned 2012 Honda Civic Coupe delivers a raft of evolutionary updates and upgrades that help keep it at the head of an ever more competitive compact-car segment. The Si offers sporty-car fun while giving up little in daily-driver comfort and practicality; its larger new engine provides more-accessible power that should delight enthusiast drivers. Civic's 2-door coupe body style stands out in the compact-car class, since most competitors offer only 4-door sedan and hatchback body styles. Though the Civic lineup is now up against a much tougher group of rival cars--some of which might best it from a "features per dollar" standpoint--it's still a compact-car must-see.

Total Score
LX, manual EX-L w/navigation Si Class Average
62 61 58 62.8

Total Score: 62

Scores for all Compact Cars
Low Score
58
Average Score
62
High Score
66

TSX69

2012 Honda Civic Sedan

Vehicle Highlights
The 2012 Honda Civic Sedan is redesigned with freshened styling and a new model promising improved fuel economy. Honda's compact car returns as a 4-door sedan and a 2-door coupe (see separate report). Also offered is a gas/electric Hybrid sedan; a Natural Gas model that runs on compressed natural gas (CNG) is slated for limited release later in the model year (see separate reports). Sedans come in DX, LX, EX, EX-L, and Si trims, along with a new enhanced-fuel-economy model called the HF. The HF and other non-Si models use a 140-horsepower 1.8-liter 4-cylinder engine. EX, EX-L, and HF models come with a 5-speed automatic transmission only. DX and LX models offer a choice of the automatic or a 5-speed manual transmission. The Si gets a new 201-horsepower 2.4-liter 4-cylinder engine that teams with a mandatory 6-speed manual transmission. This engine replaces a 197-horsepower 2.0-liter 4-cylinder. Safety features include ABS, traction control, antiskid system, curtain-side airbags, and front-side airbags. The Civic HF employs low rolling resistance tires and various aerodynamic tweaks to increase fuel economy. Available Civic features include a navigation system, leather upholstery, heated front seats, and a wireless cell-phone link. This evaluation is based on preview test drives.

Our road test for the 2012 Honda Civic Sedan includes a full evaluation of the 2012 Honda Civic Sedan from the inside out. We evaluate not only engine and handling performance for the 2012 Honda Civic Sedan, but also interior cabin and cargo space. Let our comprehensive road test ratings for the 2012 Honda Civic Sedan help you decide if a 2012 Honda Civic Sedan is right for you.

ACCELERATION
LX, manual EX w/navigation HF Si Class Average
5 5 5 7 5

With either transmission, 140-horsepower Civics accelerate leisurely away from a stop, but have adequate power around town and for highway merging and passing. The automatic is especially alert to throttle inputs. The manual has crisp shifter action and a smooth, easy-to-modulate clutch. Slick-shifting Si models offer snappy acceleration, particularly at high rpm. All except for the Si include an "ECON Mode" button that alters throttle response, automatic-transmission shift points, and air-conditioning settings for improved fuel economy.

FUEL ECONOMY
LX, manual EX w/navigation HF Si Class Average
8 8 9 7 7.6

No opportunity to measure. Si requires premium-grade gas. Other Civics use regular.

RIDE QUALITY
LX, manual EX w/navigation HF Si Class Average
6 6 6 4 5.6

Sedans take bumps in stride, with good absorbency and little float or wallow. LX and EX versions are especially stable at highway speeds. Si has a sport suspension and 17-inch tires that cause a stiffer ride, but it's never jarring.

STEERING/HANDLING/BRAKING
LX, manual EX w/navigation HF Si Class Average
6 6 6 7 5.9

Non-Si versions could use more grip in fast turns, but they feel reassuringly responsive and composed in most changes of direction. Steering feel is linear and well-balanced. Agile Si models corner tenaciously, though they suffer slight torque-steer. All Civics have fine straight-line stability, plus effective stopping control with good brake-pedal modulation.

QUIETNESS
LX, manual EX w/navigation HF Si Class Average
6 6 6 4 5.3

Non-Si models are near the top of the class in suppression of road and wind noise. The 140-horsepower engine cruises quietly but can be noisy in fast acceleration. The Si has slightly more road noise and an intentionally louder, more-aggressive exhaust sound that is race-car invigorating, particularly at high rpm.

CONTROLS
LX, manual EX w/navigation HF Si Class Average
6 5 6 6 6

Civic's 2-tier instrument panel places an analog tachometer ahead of the driver and separately housed digital speedometer directly above. Though it can take some getting used to, the design works well overall. The speedometer's digits are in the driver's line of sight for viewing without taking focus off the road; all but the Si include an "ECO Assist" light-bar readout that glows green when the vehicle is being driven efficiently. Climate and audio controls are within easy reach. All except the DX include a handy "Intelligent Multi-Information Display" screen that allows the driver to cycle through various audio-system, fuel-economy, and vehicle-info readouts via steering-wheel-mounted buttons. The navigation system takes time to master, has undersized buttons, and absorbs too many audio functions. Both the navigation screen and upper instrument panel can be difficult to read in bright daylight conditions.

DETAILS
LX, manual EX w/navigation HF Si Class Average
6 6 6 6 6

Controls move with smooth precision. Civic's cabin materials are a pleasant mix of quality plastics and fabrics; solid assembly and durability are emphasized over plushness or ambiance-enhancing accents. EX and EX-L have slightly richer trim, making the interior feel a bit more upmarket. Si has racier gauge graphics and sportier trim that effectively convey its performance mission.

ROOM/COMFORT/DRIVER SEATING (FRONT)
LX, manual EX w/navigation HF Si Class Average
5 5 5 5 6.1

A standard tilt and telescopic steering wheel and height-adjustable driver seat help tailor an accommodating driving position. The seats astutely blend support and comfort. Si's seats are further bolstered for a glued-in-place feel during fast cornering. Tall occupants have no excess headroom, especially beneath the sunroof housing. Forward visibility is good overall, though the long dashtop shelf and sloping nose can complicate judging distance in close quarters. Some sunlight conditions trigger annoying reflections in the windshield and rear window.

ROOM/COMFORT (REAR)
LX, manual EX w/navigation HF Si Class Average
4 4 4 4 4

Sedans have adequate adult headroom, though the available sunroof's housing steals precious space for tall occupants. Knee space is tight with the front seats far aft. Foot space is good unless the front cushions are near their lowest point. A flat floor aids overall comfort, as does the firm, well-contoured seat. Only EX, EX-L, and Si models are equipped with a rear-seat center armrest, however. The doors open wide for easy entry and exit.

CARGO ROOM
LX, manual EX w/navigation HF Si Class Average
3 3 3 3 3.9

A wide, tall trunk with a generous opening and low liftover highlight Civic's cargo area. However, the sickle-type trunklid hinges intrude. All have a folding rear seat back, but only EX, EX-L, and Si models offer 60/40 split folding functionality. Interior small-items storage is generous, with a good-sized glovebox, console bins, and door pockets.

VALUE WITHIN CLASS
LX, manual EX w/navigation HF Si Class Average
9 9 9 7 7.4

The redesigned 2012 Honda Civic delivers a raft of evolutionary updates and upgrades that help keep it at the head of an ever more competitive compact-car segment. Chief among the 2012 improvements is an enhanced selection of "something for everyone" model variants. The new HF promises fuel economy near the top of the class among non-hybrid gasoline-engine compacts. On the other end of the spectrum, the Si offers sporty-car fun while giving up little in daily-driver comfort and practicality; its larger new engine provides more-accessible power that should delight enthusiast drivers. Though Civic is now up against a much tougher group of rival cars--some of which might best it from a "features per dollar" standpoint--it's still a compact-car must-see.

Total Score
LX, manual EX w/navigation HF Si Class Average
64 63 65 60 62.8

Total Score: 64

Scores for all Compact Cars
Low Score
58
Average Score
62
High Score
66

Aman

Everybody else does. Sales = success.

F23A4

...as "we're" probably ignoring the driving experience component in this exercise, you might as well post pics of the Porsche 911 over the past 30 years or so....given the fact that each generational transition was barely evident in its styling.

Back on topic: What I don't like is the busyness of the dashboard. That said, the usual Civic buyers will take to the 9th gen the way moths are drawn to light and will sell VERY well.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

I like the subtle changes. And I would love to test drive the new Si! New engine!

Legend2TL

I like the new instrument cluster with the MID and dash layout, only thing odd is sticking the ECON button on the far left.

SSFTSX

Your ignoring that German has been rasing prices to deliver that better driviing experiance which new Civic hadnot in delivering superior fuel economy, more space/refinement & better layout/electronics. Honda claiming this new model will get close to 5 star safety ratings which the prior model cannot.

SSFTSX

I sat in new Ford Focus when my Acura got serviced (both dealers same ownership). The first thing you notice is the cheap plastic buttons on steering wheel. It looks it will fall apart after few years of use. (TSX steering wheel buttons are as solid as they were 3 years ago).
second that cheap sony stereo system and very light wieght rear trunk opening. with push button it just flew to the top. There is simply no comparision with size and comfort of seats. All this for car that will top out at $28k. it gives you 6speed/DI engine/Flash based navigation/smart access/leather interior/auto parking.
but these all looks low grade stuff. After 5 years this Focus will be priced less than $5k and TSX will still command $15K price. thats the difference.

jnc2000

^^

F23A4

yeah, I know...

This is one of the few times I failed to realize the post author prior to replying. I typically don't read...er...reply to certain posters unless it requires moderator intervention.

dom

+1

dom

Credit to frogger over at TOV

2012 Civic TSB

http://www.gooley.net/images/ServiceBulletin.pdf

Costco

^

TSX69

Honda Stays Ahead of Compact Pack w/ 2012 Civic

Detroit, heed this warning.

Do not underestimate the 2012 Honda Civic.

It was the single most important vehicle shown at the New York International Auto Show this week.

The 2011 Chevrolet Cruze and 2012 Ford Focus are spectacular compact cars partly because Chevy and Ford engineers benchmarked the Civic. For a decade, the Civic has been the best compact car around, and while others have gained ground, this Honda remains near the head of the class.

It is a nameplate that has been around a lot longer than any American compact car, and don't let anyone fool you: Honda Motor Co. has a lot riding on this little car.

Honda has not raised any eyebrows with many of its recently launched vehicles. The new Accord is dull. The Crosstour is confusing, and the current face of Honda's luxury brand Acura continues to bring the brand ridicule. If Honda had messed up the Civic, it would be time to get out a fork and turn the brand over.

But there was no mistake made with this new vehicle.

Now, as the new Civic arrives, it faces a much tougher climate. The Cruze, the Focus and the Hyundai Elantra have garnered well-earned praise from consumers and the automotive press, including myself.

Although the Civic is no longer alone, underestimating it would be a serious mistake.

Here's why:

Variety: The 2012 Civic offers almost every model variation. There are sedans, coupes, gas-electric hybrids (with lithium-ion batteries), a compressed natural gas model and even a performance Si model. New to this lineup is the Civic HF, which focuses on higher gas mileage. This follows on the heels of other carmakers such as Chevrolet, Ford and Hyundai, which offer similarly branded vehicles. No other compact, however, comes in as many different variations as the Civic (the only model missing is a hatchback, which is a mistake).

Pricing: With so many different models, the Civic offers a price for just about anyone:

Civic DX sedan (5-speed manual): $15,805

Civic LX coupe (5-speed manual): $17,655

Civic LX sedan (5-speed auto): $18,655

Civic EX sedan with navigation (5-speed auto): $22,005

Civic Si coupe (6-speed manual): $22,205

Civic Si sedan (6-speed manual): $22,405

Civic Hybrid: $24,050

Civic natural gas: Price not released

All of this pricing is on par with much of the competition, which means Honda is certainly in the hunt for compact consumers.

Performance: While I have not driven the new Civic, I expect it to provide performance on par with all of the serious competition. The previous-generation Civic has a quiet, well-tuned ride, with enough power to speed along the highway and enough handling chops to zip through city traffic. This model introduces a new electric power-assist steering system (EPAS), the next-generation vehicle-stability control, improved aerodynamics and a stiffer body for improved handling. Tuning on the steering will be important as EPAS can sometimes create a numb feeling that leaves a driver disconnected from the road.

Additionally, the performance-oriented Si model features a new 2.4-liter, 4-cylinder engine that generates 201 horsepower. It's only 4 more ponies than the 2-liter engine, but tuners around the world can rejoice that their beloved Si now has peak horsepower over 200. (The Si also features a lower height, a limited-slip front, and 17-inch aluminum wheels that all could add to the driving experience.)

It's Honda's 1.8-liter, 4-cylinder engine that will do most of the heavy-duty work for the brand, and even this engine has undergone a number of improvements to make it more efficient.

It produces 140 horsepower and provides gas mileage from 28 mpg in the city and 36 mpg on the highway for a DX sedan with a 5-speed manual transmission to 41 mpg on the highway for the HF model.

1 disappointment with the new Civic comes with the lack of a 6-speed automatic transmission, though Honda says this 5-speed is more refined and updated. Nearly every competitor has 1 now, as 6-speeds have become the industry norm. It will be interesting to see whether that missing gear hinders its performance in any way.

Exterior styling: While many new compact cars offer extravagant styling, the new Civic does not look dramatically different than the previous generation. But don't mistake this car as simply a refreshed vehicle; it has been redesigned throughout. At 1st glance, there doesn't seem as dramatic a difference between generations.

Many of the exterior changes were devised to improve the Civic's aerodynamics. They include new mirrors, wipers pushed below the hood line and other changes you can't see at 1st glance, such as underbody aero panels.

This seems to be a closely followed plan by Honda, which only dramatically changes the Civic's styling every other generation. How much that will affect the Civic will be told over the next year.

Honda's conservative approach to styling follows the lines of the Cruze, whereas the Elantra and Focus are more dynamic.

The winner here is the consumer, who now has a clear choice between dramatic good compacts and more familiar small cars.

Interior styling: The Civic evolves its interior design from the previous generation, with a new 2-tiered instrument panel and entertainment system, known as i-MID. Honda has nailed 1 of the most important parts of any new system by giving it a nonsensical name that starts with a standalone lowercase vowel — i or e — and a full-color screen to display all of the information.

More importantly, the Civic adds more volume inside, increased by 3.7 cubic feet. The previous-generation Civic was comfortable; this 1 should be even a little more so.

Civic's biggest selling point still reliability

So from the sounds of it, the new Civic is improved inside and out. Whether that adds up to this vehicle becoming the next benchmark will be decided by consumers.

The compact car segment has drastically changed the past 12 months, and everyone wants an edge over everyone else. The real edge for the Civic coming out of the gate is that it's a Honda, which to many consumers means it's as reliable as a late spring in Michigan.

That wasn't always the case for the Civic. 39 years ago, when the little Civic arrived, Honda had to issue a recall because rusting was so bad the cars were considered unsafe in accidents. Now, Civics are among the safest choices of any car picked.

The competition certainly has gotten stiffer, but to sneer at this Civic too early would be a serious miscalculation. No one should do that.

Sburgess@detnews.com

(313) 223-3217

jchan2

This was actually pretty funny!

F23A4

That'll make Honda Fanboys indignant....which makes it even more hilarious.

Legend2TL

That was pretty funny

civicdrivr

iTrader: (9)

See if you can roll a basketball in the wheel wells

KillerG

sat in a few of the 5 flavors today. the interiors were really, really disappointing

Aman

Would you say it's any better or worse than the 2011?

dom

Quality? layout? or both?

fsttyms1

KillerG

So after trying them all out (Si had the nicest interior, but that doesnt say much) I gotta say i was underwhelmed by both the quality (or touch) of the materials as well as the overall layout. I dont mean to exaggerate but i thought i was going to fall asleep at one point while looking around the interior. The Elantra, which i sat in afterwards, felt a touch above sadly. I am a honda guy through and through so I was really rootin' for em on this one. Compared to the 2011, its pretty much the same more or less, on par so to say. But considering the 2011 felt like a dated design the fact that Honda didnt change much really didnt do them any favors.

In Honda's defense, the cars did NOT have the interiors powered on.

I hope, for their sake, that the interior becomes a much nicer place once its on, considering there is ALOT of information on the new double tier dash and MMI screen.

Cant comment on gear knobs because they were all stolen I went on the first day too, though im glad it looks more traditional now.

swami

Usually the manufacturers remove the shift knobs for the auto shows, if they don't somebody else will.

KillerG

ahh ok, well i figured it was NY so anything could happen. There were also quite a few missing buttons here and there in some cars