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Honda: Accord News
09-05-2003, 06:48 AM
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Whaaaaaaaaaaa...? No one is whining about the car not being AWD or RWD??!? WHOA...I'm getting a lotto ticket today...
09-05-2003, 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
Honda will never build it.
Honda will never build it.
i dont think they would do something that innovative and hot. i feel like they are too traditional, they need to try something new!!!
09-05-2003, 11:37 AM
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It'll be here....remember they've already mentioned this.....it won't be a Honda but it will be the high performance TSX.
http://www.salon-auto.ch/en/premieres/detail.php?id=525
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/?news/a...y.php?id=34849
http://www.salon-auto.ch/en/premieres/detail.php?id=525
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/?news/a...y.php?id=34849
Ultimate Accord Powers Up
ere's a super-Accord which could 'charge' past BMW's M3 and the Audi S4. The bodykitted Honda, revealed at last week's Geneva Motor Show, points the way to a new super-quick version - but the big news is that it could use hybrid technology to give it the power needed to take on its German rivals.
"With looks like this, the production version will have to be beyond the performance levels of a Type R," said a Honda insider. "Our target with this Accord is to show that we can beat our German rivals. So the high-performance model will have to be good enough to take on their range-topping models."
The problem so far has been the lack of an engine. The firm is looking at harnessing the performance potential of hybrid powertrains to give both the Accord range and the Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) technology a real image boost. "The Accord has been engineered to accept IMA, and our Dual Note concept demonstrated that hybrids can be more than simply about economy," said our source. The Dual Note, unveiled at 2001's Tokyo Motor Show, is expected to become the new NSX in 2005, and a hot Accord will appear then, too.
The result would be a car with a 200bhp-plus VTEC petrol engine powering the front wheels, and electric hub motors driving the rears. It would have four-wheel drive and offer performance on a par with that of a conventional 350bhp vehicle, but with fuel economy to rival a regular 2.0-litre petrol unit.
ere's a super-Accord which could 'charge' past BMW's M3 and the Audi S4. The bodykitted Honda, revealed at last week's Geneva Motor Show, points the way to a new super-quick version - but the big news is that it could use hybrid technology to give it the power needed to take on its German rivals.
"With looks like this, the production version will have to be beyond the performance levels of a Type R," said a Honda insider. "Our target with this Accord is to show that we can beat our German rivals. So the high-performance model will have to be good enough to take on their range-topping models."
The problem so far has been the lack of an engine. The firm is looking at harnessing the performance potential of hybrid powertrains to give both the Accord range and the Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) technology a real image boost. "The Accord has been engineered to accept IMA, and our Dual Note concept demonstrated that hybrids can be more than simply about economy," said our source. The Dual Note, unveiled at 2001's Tokyo Motor Show, is expected to become the new NSX in 2005, and a hot Accord will appear then, too.
The result would be a car with a 200bhp-plus VTEC petrol engine powering the front wheels, and electric hub motors driving the rears. It would have four-wheel drive and offer performance on a par with that of a conventional 350bhp vehicle, but with fuel economy to rival a regular 2.0-litre petrol unit.
09-11-2003, 01:29 AM
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HAHA!
"XM radio to be standard in '04 Hondas"
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=144106
So Expect XM Standard on next year TSX, so Are they saying that a Civic DX will come with Standard XM LOL!?
"XM radio to be standard in '04 Hondas"
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=144106
So Expect XM Standard on next year TSX, so Are they saying that a Civic DX will come with Standard XM LOL!?
09-11-2003, 09:21 PM
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XM is a dealer option on the 03 Accord, it's a dealer installed kit.
It interfaces with radio by pluging into the Antenna, FM modulator style. I think their is one connection into the fuse box. It mounts into the center console using the MP3 player style 1-din box.
Basically if you really wanted to you could install the 03 XM Honda dealer Accessory kit into your TSX. www.handa-accessories.com
You just need to find out how to power the kit or if the TSX fuse box will accept the tuner power cable just like the 03 Accord.
or
Install the way cool Sirius system like Gray TSX for about $100 from Best Buy. Check out my thread in the Audio forum for install pics
It interfaces with radio by pluging into the Antenna, FM modulator style. I think their is one connection into the fuse box. It mounts into the center console using the MP3 player style 1-din box.
Basically if you really wanted to you could install the 03 XM Honda dealer Accessory kit into your TSX. www.handa-accessories.com
You just need to find out how to power the kit or if the TSX fuse box will accept the tuner power cable just like the 03 Accord.
or
Install the way cool Sirius system like Gray TSX for about $100 from Best Buy. Check out my thread in the Audio forum for install pics
09-12-2003, 06:27 PM
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More Honda's will be XM ready down the road.
Beacuse.......
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/030129/xmsr8-k.html
Honda bought a bunch of XM stock back in January and is on the board.
If Honda sell 1,000,000 every year with XM equipped radio and 30% stay with the subscription, XM will stick around much longer. And that's no counting subscriber from GM side - GM also own part of XM.
Beacuse.......
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/030129/xmsr8-k.html
Honda bought a bunch of XM stock back in January and is on the board.
If Honda sell 1,000,000 every year with XM equipped radio and 30% stay with the subscription, XM will stick around much longer. And that's no counting subscriber from GM side - GM also own part of XM.
09-13-2003, 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by MrChad
XM is a dealer option on the 03 Accord, it's a dealer installed kit.
It interfaces with radio by pluging into the Antenna, FM modulator style. I think their is one connection into the fuse box. It mounts into the center console using the MP3 player style 1-din box.
Basically if you really wanted to you could install the 03 XM Honda dealer Accessory kit into your TSX. www.handa-accessories.com
You just need to find out how to power the kit or if the TSX fuse box will accept the tuner power cable just like the 03 Accord.
or
Install the way cool Sirius system like Gray TSX for about $100 from Best Buy. Check out my thread in the Audio forum for install pics
XM is a dealer option on the 03 Accord, it's a dealer installed kit.
It interfaces with radio by pluging into the Antenna, FM modulator style. I think their is one connection into the fuse box. It mounts into the center console using the MP3 player style 1-din box.
Basically if you really wanted to you could install the 03 XM Honda dealer Accessory kit into your TSX. www.handa-accessories.com
You just need to find out how to power the kit or if the TSX fuse box will accept the tuner power cable just like the 03 Accord.
or
Install the way cool Sirius system like Gray TSX for about $100 from Best Buy. Check out my thread in the Audio forum for install pics
The one in the 2004 TL is nice
01-05-2004, 08:39 AM
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Honda Accord Hybrid News **Test Drive from C&D (page 2)**
Detroit 01/05/2004 -- Honda Motor Co., Ltd., President and CEO Takeo Fukui today announced plans to further advance the company's leadership in the development and application of leading edge environmental technologies with the following actions:
* Introduction in 2004 of a V6 powered gas-electric hybrid Accord using Honda's Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) hybrid system in combination with Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) technology for V6 performance with fuel economy equivalent to a four-cylinder Civic;
* Introduction in 2005 of a Honda-developed fuel cell stack with increased performance and fuel efficiency, reduced cost and the ability to start in below freezing temperatures;
* Application of Honda Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) technology to another new model to be introduced this fall.
New V6 Accord Hybrid with VCM
Slated for introduction later this year as a 2004 model, the mid-size Accord Hybrid brings hybrid power to Honda's best-selling model, delivering an even higher level of performance than the already powerful 240-horsepower Accord V6 Sedan with the fuel economy of a four-cylinder, compact-class Civic.
The Accord Hybrid is the first V6 application of Honda's Integrated Motor Assist technology and the first hybrid vehicle to employ Variable Cylinder Management technology. Developed by Honda, VCM allows for the deactivation of three of the engine's six cylinders under certain conditions - such as highway cruising - to deliver even greater fuel efficiency with no sacrifice in performance. VCM will also be applied to another new model being introduced later this year.
With the addition of the Accord Hybrid, Honda increases to three the number of models featuring its innovative Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) hybrid technology, including two of America's most popular cars - the Honda Civic and Honda Accord. Honda was the first automaker to introduce gas-electric hybrid technology to American consumers when it launched the Honda Insight in December 1999, followed by the Civic Hybrid - the first truly mainstream hybrid vehicle - in March 2002. Together, the Insight and Civic Hybrid captured four of the top five slots in the EPA 2004 fuel economy ratings.
Breakthrough Honda Fuel Cell Stack
Furthering Honda's efforts to make hydrogen power a reality, the company has developed its own fuel cell stack and will introduce a version of its FCX fuel cell vehicle powered by the Honda FC Stack beginning in calendar year 2005.
This advanced new fuel cell stack is a remarkably compact unit that delivers higher performance with increased range and fuel efficiency and is designed to operate at temperatures as low as -20ﾺC (-4ﾺF). Cold weather starting and operation is one of the most significant technical barriers to the mass-market application of fuel cell technology. Honda's originally developed FC stack is the world's first fuel cell stack to feature a stamped metal separator structure combined with newly developed electrolyte membranes for improved efficiency, recycleability, and operation over a greater range of temperatures.
Honda is conducting extensive trials of the FC Stack, including public road evaluations in the U.S. and Japan, in preparation for its introduction next year in the Honda FCX, the first and only fuel cell vehicle certified by the EPA and California Air Resources Board for regular commercial use.
Honda has long been a pioneer in the development and application of leading edge environmental technologies including the first Low Emissions (LEV) and Ultra-Low Emissions (ULEV) vehicles and the first commercially certified fuel cell vehicle. Today, all Honda and Acura models sold in the U.S. deliver LEV or better emissions performance, while more than 80 percent meet ULEV standards
* Introduction in 2004 of a V6 powered gas-electric hybrid Accord using Honda's Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) hybrid system in combination with Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) technology for V6 performance with fuel economy equivalent to a four-cylinder Civic;
* Introduction in 2005 of a Honda-developed fuel cell stack with increased performance and fuel efficiency, reduced cost and the ability to start in below freezing temperatures;
* Application of Honda Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) technology to another new model to be introduced this fall.
New V6 Accord Hybrid with VCM
Slated for introduction later this year as a 2004 model, the mid-size Accord Hybrid brings hybrid power to Honda's best-selling model, delivering an even higher level of performance than the already powerful 240-horsepower Accord V6 Sedan with the fuel economy of a four-cylinder, compact-class Civic.
The Accord Hybrid is the first V6 application of Honda's Integrated Motor Assist technology and the first hybrid vehicle to employ Variable Cylinder Management technology. Developed by Honda, VCM allows for the deactivation of three of the engine's six cylinders under certain conditions - such as highway cruising - to deliver even greater fuel efficiency with no sacrifice in performance. VCM will also be applied to another new model being introduced later this year.
With the addition of the Accord Hybrid, Honda increases to three the number of models featuring its innovative Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) hybrid technology, including two of America's most popular cars - the Honda Civic and Honda Accord. Honda was the first automaker to introduce gas-electric hybrid technology to American consumers when it launched the Honda Insight in December 1999, followed by the Civic Hybrid - the first truly mainstream hybrid vehicle - in March 2002. Together, the Insight and Civic Hybrid captured four of the top five slots in the EPA 2004 fuel economy ratings.
Breakthrough Honda Fuel Cell Stack
Furthering Honda's efforts to make hydrogen power a reality, the company has developed its own fuel cell stack and will introduce a version of its FCX fuel cell vehicle powered by the Honda FC Stack beginning in calendar year 2005.
This advanced new fuel cell stack is a remarkably compact unit that delivers higher performance with increased range and fuel efficiency and is designed to operate at temperatures as low as -20ﾺC (-4ﾺF). Cold weather starting and operation is one of the most significant technical barriers to the mass-market application of fuel cell technology. Honda's originally developed FC stack is the world's first fuel cell stack to feature a stamped metal separator structure combined with newly developed electrolyte membranes for improved efficiency, recycleability, and operation over a greater range of temperatures.
Honda is conducting extensive trials of the FC Stack, including public road evaluations in the U.S. and Japan, in preparation for its introduction next year in the Honda FCX, the first and only fuel cell vehicle certified by the EPA and California Air Resources Board for regular commercial use.
Honda has long been a pioneer in the development and application of leading edge environmental technologies including the first Low Emissions (LEV) and Ultra-Low Emissions (ULEV) vehicles and the first commercially certified fuel cell vehicle. Today, all Honda and Acura models sold in the U.S. deliver LEV or better emissions performance, while more than 80 percent meet ULEV standards
01-05-2004, 09:47 AM
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Accord V6 Hybrid Due in 04
"Accord Hybrid to deliver V6 Performance with Civic Fuel Economy; Breakthrough Honda FC Stack with cold-weather starting capabilities
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Detroit 01/05/2004 -- Honda Motor Co., Ltd., President and CEO Takeo Fukui today announced plans to further advance the company's leadership in the development and application of leading edge environmental technologies with the following actions:
Introduction in 2004 of a V6 powered gas-electric hybrid Accord using Honda's Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) hybrid system in combination with Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) technology for V6 performance with fuel economy equivalent to a four-cylinder Civic;
Introduction in 2005 of a Honda-developed fuel cell stack with increased performance and fuel efficiency, reduced cost and the ability to start in below freezing temperatures;
Application of Honda Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) technology to another new model to be introduced this fall.
New V6 Accord Hybrid with VCM
Slated for introduction later this year as a 2004 model, the mid-size Accord Hybrid brings hybrid power to Honda's best-selling model, delivering an even higher level of performance than the already powerful 240-horsepower Accord V6 Sedan with the fuel economy of a four-cylinder, compact-class Civic.
The Accord Hybrid is the first V6 application of Honda's Integrated Motor Assist technology and the first hybrid vehicle to employ Variable Cylinder Management technology. Developed by Honda, VCM allows for the deactivation of three of the engine's six cylinders under certain conditions - such as highway cruising - to deliver even greater fuel efficiency with no sacrifice in performance. VCM will also be applied to another new model being introduced later this year.
With the addition of the Accord Hybrid, Honda increases to three the number of models featuring its innovative Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) hybrid technology, including two of America's most popular cars - the Honda Civic and Honda Accord. Honda was the first automaker to introduce gas-electric hybrid technology to American consumers when it launched the Honda Insight in December 1999, followed by the Civic Hybrid - the first truly mainstream hybrid vehicle - in March 2002. Together, the Insight and Civic Hybrid captured four of the top five slots in the EPA 2004 fuel economy ratings.
Breakthrough Honda Fuel Cell Stack
Furthering Honda's efforts to make hydrogen power a reality, the company has developed its own fuel cell stack and will introduce a version of its FCX fuel cell vehicle powered by the Honda FC Stack beginning in calendar year 2005.
This advanced new fuel cell stack is a remarkably compact unit that delivers higher performance with increased range and fuel efficiency and is designed to operate at temperatures as low as -20ºC (-4ºF). Cold weather starting and operation is one of the most significant technical barriers to the mass-market application of fuel cell technology. Honda's originally developed FC stack is the world's first fuel cell stack to feature a stamped metal separator structure combined with newly developed electrolyte membranes for improved efficiency, recycleability, and operation over a greater range of temperatures.
Honda is conducting extensive trials of the FC Stack, including public road evaluations in the U.S. and Japan, in preparation for its introduction next year in the Honda FCX, the first and only fuel cell vehicle certified by the EPA and California Air Resources Board for regular commercial use.
Honda has long been a pioneer in the development and application of leading edge environmental technologies including the first Low Emissions (LEV) and Ultra-Low Emissions (ULEV) vehicles and the first commercially certified fuel cell vehicle. Today, all Honda and Acura models sold in the U.S. deliver LEV or better emissions performance, while more than 80 percent meet ULEV standards.
For more information and downloadable high-resolution images of Honda and Acura vehicles, please visit www.hondanews.com. For consumer information, please visit www.honda.com or www.acura.com."
What does this mean for the TSX? It has to mean TSX Hybrid for sometime in 05, it just has to.
I guess its using the same 3.0L V6 with cylinder management now being used in Japan.
This is great/big news.
ascii | MSWord 36k
Detroit 01/05/2004 -- Honda Motor Co., Ltd., President and CEO Takeo Fukui today announced plans to further advance the company's leadership in the development and application of leading edge environmental technologies with the following actions:
Introduction in 2004 of a V6 powered gas-electric hybrid Accord using Honda's Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) hybrid system in combination with Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) technology for V6 performance with fuel economy equivalent to a four-cylinder Civic;
Introduction in 2005 of a Honda-developed fuel cell stack with increased performance and fuel efficiency, reduced cost and the ability to start in below freezing temperatures;
Application of Honda Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) technology to another new model to be introduced this fall.
New V6 Accord Hybrid with VCM
Slated for introduction later this year as a 2004 model, the mid-size Accord Hybrid brings hybrid power to Honda's best-selling model, delivering an even higher level of performance than the already powerful 240-horsepower Accord V6 Sedan with the fuel economy of a four-cylinder, compact-class Civic.
The Accord Hybrid is the first V6 application of Honda's Integrated Motor Assist technology and the first hybrid vehicle to employ Variable Cylinder Management technology. Developed by Honda, VCM allows for the deactivation of three of the engine's six cylinders under certain conditions - such as highway cruising - to deliver even greater fuel efficiency with no sacrifice in performance. VCM will also be applied to another new model being introduced later this year.
With the addition of the Accord Hybrid, Honda increases to three the number of models featuring its innovative Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) hybrid technology, including two of America's most popular cars - the Honda Civic and Honda Accord. Honda was the first automaker to introduce gas-electric hybrid technology to American consumers when it launched the Honda Insight in December 1999, followed by the Civic Hybrid - the first truly mainstream hybrid vehicle - in March 2002. Together, the Insight and Civic Hybrid captured four of the top five slots in the EPA 2004 fuel economy ratings.
Breakthrough Honda Fuel Cell Stack
Furthering Honda's efforts to make hydrogen power a reality, the company has developed its own fuel cell stack and will introduce a version of its FCX fuel cell vehicle powered by the Honda FC Stack beginning in calendar year 2005.
This advanced new fuel cell stack is a remarkably compact unit that delivers higher performance with increased range and fuel efficiency and is designed to operate at temperatures as low as -20ºC (-4ºF). Cold weather starting and operation is one of the most significant technical barriers to the mass-market application of fuel cell technology. Honda's originally developed FC stack is the world's first fuel cell stack to feature a stamped metal separator structure combined with newly developed electrolyte membranes for improved efficiency, recycleability, and operation over a greater range of temperatures.
Honda is conducting extensive trials of the FC Stack, including public road evaluations in the U.S. and Japan, in preparation for its introduction next year in the Honda FCX, the first and only fuel cell vehicle certified by the EPA and California Air Resources Board for regular commercial use.
Honda has long been a pioneer in the development and application of leading edge environmental technologies including the first Low Emissions (LEV) and Ultra-Low Emissions (ULEV) vehicles and the first commercially certified fuel cell vehicle. Today, all Honda and Acura models sold in the U.S. deliver LEV or better emissions performance, while more than 80 percent meet ULEV standards.
For more information and downloadable high-resolution images of Honda and Acura vehicles, please visit www.hondanews.com. For consumer information, please visit www.honda.com or www.acura.com."
What does this mean for the TSX? It has to mean TSX Hybrid for sometime in 05, it just has to.
I guess its using the same 3.0L V6 with cylinder management now being used in Japan.
This is great/big news.
01-05-2004, 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by provench
WOW!
WOW!
Now everyone else is playing catchup, although Toyota I'm sure will be ready with a Camry IMA in 05.
01-05-2004, 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by domn
My thoughts exactly. This is huge, huge news. With IMA jumping into the mainstream this can only mean big things for Honda. Who cares about a V8. A Accord V6 with more performance than the current V6, yet with Civic Fuel economy. Amazing !!!!
Now everyone else is playing catchup, although Toyota I'm sure will be ready with a Camry IMA in 05.
My thoughts exactly. This is huge, huge news. With IMA jumping into the mainstream this can only mean big things for Honda. Who cares about a V8. A Accord V6 with more performance than the current V6, yet with Civic Fuel economy. Amazing !!!!
Now everyone else is playing catchup, although Toyota I'm sure will be ready with a Camry IMA in 05.
But this sure makes an IMA TSX at least possible in the near term, my guess is '06 TSX released in Fall 2005. Wonder how much I can get for my '04 when that comes out
01-05-2004, 10:41 AM
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Because IMA is not making any money for Honda. It never has. By taking it mainstream they can recoup their investment faster. Also with the Accord performance need not come first. Lets say only 10% of Accords are sold as a Hybrid, thats still 40,000+ units per year. If it went into a TL first, thats barely 6,000 units per year. Remember first and foremost Honda is here to make money.
01-05-2004, 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by justinjsw
Because IMA is not making any money for Honda. It never has. By taking it mainstream they can recoup their investment faster. Also with the Accord performance need not come first. Lets say only 10% of Accords are sold as a Hybrid, thats still 40,000+ units per year. If it went into a TL first, thats barely 6,000 units per year. Remember first and foremost Honda is here to make money.
Because IMA is not making any money for Honda. It never has. By taking it mainstream they can recoup their investment faster. Also with the Accord performance need not come first. Lets say only 10% of Accords are sold as a Hybrid, thats still 40,000+ units per year. If it went into a TL first, thats barely 6,000 units per year. Remember first and foremost Honda is here to make money.
01-05-2004, 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by tsxer.ca
another gas saver
another gas saver
Hopefully they'll redo that Accord Sedan back end too.
01-05-2004, 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by TinkySD
i can't belive more people haven't posted on this!
i can't belive more people haven't posted on this!
01-05-2004, 12:03 PM
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"VCM will also be applied to another new model being introduced later this year."
Hmmm I wonder what other Honda product will be getting VCM? Must be the TL since its engine most closely resembles the 3.0L Accords.
Hmmm I wonder what other Honda product will be getting VCM? Must be the TL since its engine most closely resembles the 3.0L Accords.